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Europe ArmuTTino 
Do you think e-sports success is possible after the age of 20? (Never played before, from scratch) We see CSGO players playing from an early age (like 13,14,15)
2020-11-25 15:31
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Finland Jomppeboi
yesn't areing is?
2020-11-25 15:31
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im not sure
2020-11-25 15:40
I'm pretty sure i just had a stroke
2020-11-25 17:57
Google translate broken
2020-11-25 20:20
dont know, im not a pro
2020-11-25 15:31
#3
frozen | 
Czech Republic Cuki_
of course
2020-11-25 15:32
#4
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Jordan Zereeni
all the dota players i know are older than 23
2020-11-25 15:33
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They was playing before at early age,they gained experience as they got older
2020-11-25 15:35
Translated from google, may be error here
2020-11-25 15:33
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frozen | 
Czech Republic Cuki_
that google translate is very visible xddd
2020-11-25 15:34
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If he didn't say that I wouldn't have thought it was
2020-11-25 15:36
tbh i dont trust my english, always bm on me(because of english)
2020-11-25 15:36
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#53
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Hungary Rollie
It can't be worse than translate tho xdd
2020-11-25 20:34
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ty :D
2020-11-26 15:08
#6
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United States MemeCrea
they usually stat young
2020-11-25 15:34
u can start boxing too and fight mike tyson
2020-11-25 15:35
What is E-Spor 🤔
2020-11-25 15:35
6 replies
ropS-E spelt backwards
2020-11-25 15:41
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2020-11-25 15:41
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ty
2020-11-25 15:42
keyboard error xd
2020-11-25 15:43
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What keyboard u use Toy keyboard????
2020-11-25 15:44
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#33
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Ukraine W1ldHunt
60%
2020-11-25 17:08
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Italy DaDoar
probably yes if you grind very hard, but you should take into account that just like in sports, starting later than others will give you a deisadvantage and you probably will peak for a way shorter amount of time
2020-11-25 15:35
#12
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United States EDBX
I think it is possible theoretically, its just that most people 20+ have other things demanding their time than gaming.
2020-11-25 15:36
#15
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Netherlands WitnessMe
From scratch? No.
2020-11-25 15:37
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So, why ?
2020-11-25 15:39
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#22
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Netherlands WitnessMe
I don't see it
2020-11-25 15:40
yes if the 20+ yos are unemployed etc and have a lot of free time. Kids these days have the most free time and develop their skills then.
2020-11-25 15:37
you have people playing since age 5 (s1mple, elige) so no
2020-11-25 15:37
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Czech Republic Sush1
Imagine competing with 20 yo who has been trying go pro for over 5 years, no chance bro.
2020-11-25 15:39
#23
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Brazil RevvivaL
If you starting late it would be way hard but possible, you would probably need to be naturally talented at the game or pick things up very quickly. Hard but possible.
2020-11-25 15:40
it's most about natural skill combined with luck, in theory anyone can just form a random mix team and qualify to a major. You can grind 10k hours csgo but never go even near a professional scene or even the highest ranks, just about how naturally skilled, lucky and determined you are
2020-11-25 15:52
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imo luck is key word
2020-11-25 16:56
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u think to be progamer is luck?
2020-11-25 17:09
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Not for all steps, but at the start you need a lot of luck, not bit , a lot of. For example, in my country, fps players are really have good skills but like %80-85 of them have really bad setup(trust me its not easy to get good one) and internet connection, with this shitty things they cant go forward after a certain point When someone saw you, now you just need a support, alot of practice and own skill. Luck not working anymore
2020-11-25 20:18
How would you portion/weigh luck in this? Also what exactly is luck in this context?
2020-11-25 17:05
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liquipedia.net/dota2/Topson , Correct time, correct team, correct luck.
2020-11-25 17:09
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Great explanation and really well spoken. What is this supposed to show? What part is luck? Also I'm not an expert in dota 2 esport, a csgo equivalent would be great.
2020-11-25 17:11
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Ok, Bymas then maybe? if i good know, Niko seen him and invited like stand-in. Do u think without Niko he would play now in Mousesports? Long story short about Topson, he went from tier4-5 team to tier1 team like stand-in and in same year he won Dota2 major with 30m prize pool. before that his total earnings was about ~5k$, he become millionaire in like 2 or 3 months.
2020-11-25 17:23
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"he become millionaire in like 2 or 3 months." This is not how it works though. I don't even know where to start tbh... This guy probably has 20.000+ hours in the game itself. Not including anything connected to the game from the outside. It's really complicated comparing this to a normal job. But generally speaking pros put in insane amounts of time to get/stay on that level. I'm glad you took bymas as an example. He has around 6.300h in CSGO on his steam account and over 4.000 matches on faceit. Looking at his steam achievements he started playing csgo in May of 2018. Meaning in 2 years and 6 months (or 913 days) he has spent around 7 hours in CSGO every day. And thats EVERY FUCKING DAY for 2,5 years straight. How is NiKo picking him up luck? I think you might see it this way because you did not reflect on how it probably went down. Meaning his pick up was probably not a dice roll or roulette spin, but NiKo liked whatever Bymas was doing and picked him. Long story short. - getting picked up is almost everytime a consequence of the player showing something desirable - time invested in the game/job is often insane compared to 'normal' jobs and has to be considered Again, I don't understand the logic of luck in this case. What part of Bymas situation is luck? His place of birth? Maybe his dad buying a pc?
2020-11-25 17:56
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"but NiKo liked whatever Bymas was doing and picked him." yes, there is point "whatever", only Niko knows why he pick him for stand in and not other player. U mention player hours, but this is not main factor. I mean i only followed cs go from 2016 and i remember people said "D0cC" should be next big thing, one guy from Romania too, but at that moment nobody talk about them. Also u mention about place of birth, an yea, thats part of luck too, many peoples from CIS region cant speak English and this is why they always trying to find team in their Region. Also in some case is luck not get toxic teammate in your team, like good example is smooya? I mean luck word is very openly and i can see we both understand that word differently. For the end, dotabuff.com/players/duration u can check this list, that second guy spent more than 1 year in the game and he his rank is still like gold nova in cs go.
2020-11-25 18:33
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I used hours only to show you that players earn their money not only by winning a tournament, but by every hour they put in the game. Nothing else. Imagine practicing for a bo1 for $10.000 in 1 year. You practice 10h every day. So in total around 3650h. You win the bo1. And you get $2000. People now say that you earned $2000 in 1 hour (duration of the bo1). Thats because they don't know or understand what amount of work goes into this. Also every hour you put in, you gain experience which is value for the future in itself. That's the money/time argument. You are not wrong when talking about factors we can't control (birth, parents, etc.). Not everyone has the same chance of becoming a pro player, but this does not mean it's based only on luck. It's hard to put into numbers, but I think of it in this way (simplyfied) when you want to become pro (highly simplyfied): - always play the game to your maximum potential -> chance of becoming pro +10% - try to look for opportunities to further your game (either playing with better players or learn better stuff) -> chance of becoming pro +10% . other pillars of becoming pro (ingame and outside of it) . . - factors like native language -> depends on the scene, but most likely very low % Let's assume you do everything right and you have a 99% chance of becoming a pro player. Someone doing the same things who is from smaller region (e.g. Asia) without english skills might only have a 98% chance because of their place of residence/native language. I'm not denying the existence of luck, but I don't think it's a big factor either. edit: Also, thanks for your reasonable responses. Not very often do people just have a normal conversation on here.
2020-11-25 18:52
topson is right example,dude bursting out from noone to superstar just in 1 year he doesnt have experience,just a pugstar from finnish and then he won ti in his first official tournament
2020-11-25 17:16
Yes, especially if you have the right connections and are able to play with good players early on (no, faceit level 10 are not necessarily good players).
2020-11-25 17:03
if you have a lot of talent, yes maybe ... but usually people who do things at an elite level start at a very young age, because in the earlier years you learn much better.
2020-11-25 17:08
#37
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North America TorrN_
it's not impossible
2020-11-25 17:10
#38
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Hungary Shiron212
Maybe if you grind 24/7, like what most FPL newbies/FPL-C players do But if you don't put the effort into it then I don't think so
2020-11-25 17:11
Isn't that how coldzera was discovered? This question will be your answer.
2020-11-25 17:27
most likely yes
2020-11-25 18:05
#46
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Germany Effizienz
A job in esport is possible but becoming an esport athlete will be hard.
2020-11-25 18:07
i mean technically sure, it's not like you are bad at games all of sudden if you're 20, it's just the factor that you would need years of training, and you just wouldn't have enough time to do it i think. like you'd need a job and stuff like that, maybe girlfriend and family stuff like that
2020-11-25 20:22
#52
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Ukraine Hierophant
i think yes if u have money to play every day 10hour and take care about every mistakes u can play on decent lvl 3k elo player not maximum
2020-11-25 20:24
If you have god tier genetics and invest 100% of your energy and motivation into it, yes. If not, don't even bother and focus on other things where you're actually good at.
2020-11-26 15:14
Just have fun and game.
2020-11-26 16:11
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