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In the long run the gold one should be more reliable and perform better. Thus if you have the extra cash, and the brand is a reliable one, yes the Gold one should be a good choice.
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why did you delete my comment?
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Simply due to suggesting to buy an overly priced PSU just for the sake of 'never worry about psus for the rest of your life'.
You should bear in mind that most people run on a specific and limited budget and can not spend their money on the most expensive parts just to, again, ' never worry about X for the rest of your life'.
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Saving the OP by spending more money than needed? Unless it is you or the other user who is giving that extra cash to the OP which will surely be welcomed.
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"these are opinions/suggestions one can agree with/follow or not" - Jonathan E.
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Yes, my comment which is what the user criticized.
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your own quote applies to my posts in exactly the same way. you don't see that? shame on you buddy.
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Hardly as I tried to stay on topic whereas you suggested some overpriced part.
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why do you claim it's overpriced. could you explain that. i clearly stated why it's a good buy and not overpriced. can you back up your claim?
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'Reasonably priced for what it offers' is what you actually stated.
Now compare it to the price of a decent Gold one which is what most users most likely, and actually, will ever need.
so basically you deleted my post because you have a different opinion? well played.
why do you say it's overpriced? it's very reasonably priced for what it offers. best components, extremely high efficiency, 12 years warranty and they never fail. seems like you don't know about the product.
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As stated, I deleted it due to going way beyond what the OP actually ask about, that is, a bronze or a gold PSU.
According to your logic I presume you would suggest for a given OP to buy whatever expensive car, most likely due to being very reasonably priced for what it offers, when the sought one is simply an everyday one...
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it's a very sensible choice. how much is a gold rated 850w psu?
the one i suggested is 260€. gpu and cpu he mentioned are among the very best you can get. IF you can even find them. extremely expensive. the psu i suggested will literally be the last one he'd ever have to buy. if that's not a good suggestion i don't know what is.
cars? what a terrible comparison.
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A sensible choice taking into account one's budget, which you insist in ignoring.
The very best? Actually the decent ones one can buy nowadays despite them being overpriced due to lack of stock.
And yet still a Gold PSU, even a Bronze, would be still enough to handle them. Still according to you for the sake of being 'the last one he'd ever have to buy', that is some serious foreseeing there, it has to be a Titanium one.
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you should take into account that it literally lasts a lifetime. you buy it once and never have to buy one again. never. also higher efficiency along the way. that's why i said it would be the last one he'd have to buy. you spend 100€ more now but save hundreds of euros in the long run. pretty good for the environment too.
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You are wrongly assuming that other less expensive PSU will not last a decent time; again 'a lifetime' is pretty much far-fetched.
And with that '100€ more' that you are, apparently, easily willing to spend one can improve other aspects of the build, better airflow case, better MB etc.
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cheap power supplies do not last as long as good ones
there is a direct link between quality of components and how long your PSU will last since lower quality components create high ripple and the higher your ripple, the warmer your caps get under load. The difference between this can be as much as 15°C which would shorten the PSUs life by at least 60%.
You are also suggesting buying a better mainboard (I assume to overclock?), which would be a bad choice considering high ripple tends to make your overclocks unstable at a certain voltage.
All this is applicable even within the ATX specification since that is very loose.
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I am not sure why you infer that at some point I preferred 'cheap power supplies' (that is, subpar in quality with actual reliable ones which I have always actually referred to).
That is, I refer to reliable components with an, accordingly, reliable quality at a fair price.
I do not recall having specifically mentioned a better MB. What I stated is that the extra money of the (overpriced) PSU the user referred to could be spend on improving other parts of the build (be it a better MB, better case etc.).
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what do you mean by overpriced PSU?
usually 850W PSUs for less than 150 euros are complete trash
for PSUs there usually is not such a thing as "overpriced" since the only thing that justifies a higher price in PSUs is higher quality components
so there is still a big difference between a 100 euro PSU and a 200 euro one since things like ripple or transient response will always be better on the more expensive ones which will lead to the PSU lasting longer
Please do not give recommendations when you are not sure of the technical aspects. In your answer you even equate a specific 80+ certification with higher overall quality and reliability which is just wrong
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I mean 'overpriced' as in spending more money on a PSU than actually needed.
Would you spend more money on the PSU just for the promise, far-fetched as stated, that it will be the last one you will buy?
It is strange that you criticize me for associating certifications with a specific quality and performance (just as, strangely, others do too) and you associate these same characteristics with the 'the more expensive, the better', which indeed does not necessarily apply.
I still fail to see how somehow you have understood any of my comments as suggestions to go for some 'cheap stuff' instead of buying reliable parts that fit the OP budget.
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but your whole recommendation is wrong
you don't only equate 80+ gold with good components and reliability but you also talk about "reliable" brands
first of all: what are reliable brands?
in my opinion: there are none since there is not a single brand that doesn't have bad PSUs which means no brand has 100% good PSUs
let's look at brands generally seen as reliable
brands that come to my mind: EVGA, Super Flower, bequiet, Delta, FSP, seasonic
All of these have PSUs with low quality components
So what brands are actually reliable?
"you associate these same characteristics with the 'the more expensive, the better', which indeed does not necessarily apply."
Show me a 200 euro PSU that is worse than a 100 euro one (same power rating). I'm waiting.
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I do as that is what usually leads to the Gold certification?
And yes, I have read your comment regarding it being marketing etc.
Well, even if only due to chance, at times that certification appears to be right.
If all these reliable brands have low quality components how come they most of times do work as expected? Or is it that large amount of customers are extremely lucky? Or is it just specific low prize models you refer to? If so, yes and as stated by other users in this same thread people should spend their money on the actual better models.
Instead of asking me to show you anything, which is not what this thread is about, you should actually show the OP a PSU without necessarily spending 200 €.
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80Plus is a marketing scam, some manufacturers actually use different caps in the PSU for the tests and then changes them for cheaper ones for the units they actually sell. this isn't even really rare but the avg. consumers will never check the caps
"If all these reliable brands have low quality components how come they most of times do work as expected?"
I was mainly referring to the cheaper ones of the "reliable" brands, but even mid-range PSUs come at a huge disadvantage for overclocking mainly due to high ripple and bad transient response
this isn't instantly obvious but high ripple might make your system unstable with an overclock that would have been fine with a better PSU
"you should actually show the OP a PSU"
Why? he already bought a PSU
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A return period may apply and, therefore, the OP may be able to take advantage of it.
Practically no. In theory, it will simply draw more power from the wall than the unit rated for Gold in order to power your PC.
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+1 This.
use this bequiet.com/en/psucalculator
I got a 750W 80 Plus Gold for a 5900x and 1070 (upgrading to rtx 4070 whenever it comes out)
I think gold or higher just means it is rated for longer/more reliable use and you get a longer warranty, shouldn't really limit performance or anything.
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tell us where.
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Be aware - the GPUs they use in those systems are subpar, normal warranty is 3 years, warranty on GPUs in prebuilt systems are only 1 year and they register all of your parts to the manufacturer so you need to always ship back to them for repairs.
The systems are competitively priced but if something goes bad prepare for a headache.
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Don't play many GPU-heavy games and 3070 is quite expensive and out of stock everywhere so I'm waiting another gen at least
Power supply unit is the last thing you should cheap on, seriously.
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+1 cheap PSU's can be such a fire hazard and can mess up rest of the components, that the damage can end up being a lot higher than couple of extra bucks thrown in the PSU
Gold is always a must, unless you go for a cheap pc. All the components and things will be of better quality and voltage and everything is gonna be more stable, which is great if you want to do some overclock work.
Never cheap out on PSUs, unless you're on a seriously tight budget; but even then don't cheap out too much
I'd suggest getting the gold version, if having 850W is a must for you; but if not, a 750W gold would be a better alternative, if you don't want to spend too much
this thread is honestly so sad
everyone tries to give recommendations but doesn't actually know shit
80+ guarantees you a certain efficiency under very specific conditions you will not have in your room
what it doesn't do is give information about the quality of the PSU
the gold rated PSU could have worse caps than the bronze one which means it would have worse ripple, load regulation, transient response, etc.
the 80+ certificates are mostly marketing because consumers will think "oh this is 80+ gold it must be better than 80+ bronze!". this is comparable to what TSMC does with their 7nm architecture; calling it 7nm to make it look more advanced than intels 10nm when their "7nm" is actually less dense than intels 10nm
It's simple, just buy Corsair 650W or 750W RMx or RMi series PSU, reliable AF, high efficiency, silent.
The only downside are the tumour cables due to in-cable capacitors, so it will look ugly in your cas
If you care about the looks, get some Seasonic with flexible cables.
Everything else is meh or outright bad.
(Reference is this often updated megalist: linustechtips.com/topic/1116640-psuculti..https://linustechtips.com/topic/1116640-psucultists-psu-tier-list/
I have Seasonic Prime Platinum, can recommend.
just assuming that they are the same quality, 80+bronze is much better than 80+gold, and you can see them in these detailed and thoughtful explanations here: reddit.com/r/buildapc/comments/1wxlpb/di..
You can see there that using 80+gold would take a long long long time to earn back the money you spent on it, while 80+bronze seems like the better choice. I'd say since you already have a high end build, you should invest in an 80+gold build, as the PSUs will be over better quality, along with power efficiency.
Don't ever cheap out on PSUs. They're probably the component that fuck the others up most when cheaped out on.
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