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Albania yovitemeemili 
Imagine if they are smart and get real IGL instead of stew Liquid would be top 3 in no time in my oppinion,they have too much firepower and no leadership and they have some of the worst T side i've seen in a long time...
2020-11-29 17:56
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Russia win73ry
This is 2020 and people still think MSL is a smart in-game leader.
2020-11-29 17:58
25 replies
he will always be good igl he didn't have decent roster since north who won 2 times against astralis in their prime to win tournament
2020-11-29 17:59
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#24
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Russia win73ry
He is the main reason North did not have a decent roster. You don't know what you're talking about. He kicked Magisk, replaced k0nfig with Kjaerbye, replaced mertz with niko and made himself an AWPer, and replaced mithR with Jumpy. Talking about OpTic, he replaced refrezh with cajunb. Completely ignored b0RUP, stavn, blameF, acoR, sjuush, roeJ, and farlig. Just imagine what roster MSL could've had, but he is just stupid, that's all.
2020-11-29 18:08
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Russia win73ry
I also want to add that he trialed TeSeS in OpTic for a while, but put him in a bad role, so he had the rating around 0.98 (you can see how TeSeS is doing in Heroic now). Same was with kristou - he literally put a main AWPer into a support role, which is why he had the rating of 0.80 during his North run. MSL is just bad, admit it.
2020-11-29 18:15
21 replies
msl is not bad and those mistakes it not his fault.. the org behind have failed... plus the players around him have been really bad.
2020-11-29 18:27
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#55
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Russia win73ry
Yeah, I guess North, OpTic Gaming, and Rogue are all bad organizations too, because they destroyed MSL's teams, and not MSL himself, of course not. Players around him was really bad? He could’ve had a team with fucking k0nfig, Magisk, mertz and valde in it, but yeah. I am not even going to repeat the players that passed by like stavn, et cetera.
2020-11-29 19:07
11 replies
Optic was sold... North is just a shit org... Rouge, i dont know
2020-11-29 19:08
2 replies
delusional
2020-11-29 19:26
1 reply
0/8 bait come with a real argument then
2020-11-29 19:28
#65
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Sweden Hasager
shut up and look how well north are playing. they just dont have the firepower
2020-11-29 20:01
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#68
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Russia win73ry
Because MSL has kicked all the firepower.
2020-11-29 20:02
6 replies
#69
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Sweden Hasager
easy to say after what is best. they played shit, why should north keep them makes no sense.
2020-11-29 20:03
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#76
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Russia win73ry
I wouldn't say Magisk and k0nfig played like shit. Maybe mertz at times, but he was still good overall, also young to the scene, and you definitely don't replace your AWPer with niko, giving MSL the role. It's like if Complexity kicked poizon to get Thomas or zehN
2020-11-29 20:16
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#77
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Sweden Hasager
1. magisk was toxic 2. k0nfig was toxic you dont know why they got kicked
2020-11-29 20:21
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#78
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Russia win73ry
Perhaps k0nfig, but I don't see any evidence on Magisk being toxic. They guy joined Astralis in several months after being kicked from North, and has won three majors in a row, also getting the MVP in one :).
2020-11-29 20:25
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#79
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Sweden Hasager
magisk is known for being toxic man
2020-11-29 20:27
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#80
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Russia win73ry
ok mens i was dont know this evidences
2020-11-29 20:32
His stubbornness doesn't make him a bad IGL.
2020-11-29 18:52
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#56
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Russia win73ry
It does? It makes his team fail.
2020-11-29 19:08
6 replies
I agree but that can be dealt with a psychologist, MSL's talent to IGL could win him majors, the only thing keeping him apart from those majors is his personality.
2020-11-29 19:14
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#59
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Russia win73ry
So it's literally: MSL is fantastic, just needs to work on communication, aim, map awareness, crosshair placement, economy management, pistol aim, awp flicks, grenade spots, smoke spots, pop flashes, positioning, bomb plant positions, retake ability, bunny hopping, spray control and getting kills
2020-11-29 19:23
4 replies
nah more like MSL needs to work on his attitude to his teammates.
2020-11-29 19:30
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#63
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Russia win73ry
He is stubborn => his stubbornness makes his teams fail => if an in-game leader's team constantly fails, and the in-game leader is the reason (stubbornness and its consequences in this case), the in-game leader is bad. The thing you're saying is, that "he would be a top 5 captain if he blah-blah-blah", I can say the exactly same thing about Stewie2K, that he will certainly be a great leader, he only needs to improve his X and Y skills. Your statement just doesn't make sense.
2020-11-29 19:40
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That's a flawed line of logic, Stubbornness doesn't correlate to his ability to IGL.
2020-11-29 19:59
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#70
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Russia win73ry
I don't care if he WOULD have good results IF he wasn't stubborn. We see the reality where MSL has bad decision-making in terms of roster changes, which prevents his teams from getting good results. A good and smart captain would never kick Magisk and k0nfig, while also wanting to play with aizy and cajunb FOR YEARS. In Russia we say, "if a grandmother had a dick, she'd be a grandfather". And yes, stubbornness does correlate with his ability to lead a team, why wouldn't it? FalleN is a bad leader now for the very same reasons - he kept TACO and fer for 40 years, not wanting to change shit, and see how the things are now.
2020-11-29 20:08
dude you are actually stupid if you think msl is bad
2020-11-29 18:28
0/8 MSL is dogshit compared to Stewie Also Stewie's hair > MSL's
2020-11-29 17:58
8 replies
u know much about cs
2020-11-29 17:59
4 replies
Yeah and you are the big know it all? "they have too much firepower and [no leadership]" source mister wiseguy?
2020-11-29 18:00
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no source their T sides wich are godawful
2020-11-29 18:02
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lmao ok, you base this off of 3 matches in which 1 of them they have had a good T side so far and in 2 matches they still outplayed their oponents on CT side. I think actually being a lot down against ML, but still coming back showed hat they have a decent leadership and they didnt break, but thats just my opinion
2020-11-29 18:08
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no they showed that their players are much better individually than MD nothing else their teamplay is non existing and u are talking about them like they just started to play togeather like 4 guys on that team didnt play for almoast 2 years togeather
2020-11-29 18:09
Everyone’s hair > MSL
2020-11-29 18:00
2 replies
it s like saying people with 2 hands have more hands than people with one hand he doesnt have hair
2020-11-29 18:01
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But even people with no hair have better hair than MSL
2020-11-29 18:22
you comment about their t side after they did 10-5 t side vs furia on overpass?
2020-11-29 17:59
3 replies
dude have u watched game against vp on 3 maps they took like 10 t rounds wich is embarassing
2020-11-29 18:00
2 replies
link? cant find in match history
2020-11-29 18:02
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sorry it was mad lions and they won 11 rounds in 3 maps on T side hltv.org/matches/2345390/liquid-vs-mad-l..
2020-11-29 18:05
MSL is a good igl, but dont think that if msl gets the awp in liquid would be a good idea...
2020-11-29 17:59
9 replies
he is decent awper but great igl wich liquid needs
2020-11-29 18:00
8 replies
His style doesnt fit the players at all man
2020-11-29 18:03
3 replies
they dont have style that team has way to good players to not even be in top 10
2020-11-29 18:06
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Msl has s really strict system with little to no freedom for the players as far as i know...how would that fit liquids players in any way?
2020-11-29 18:12
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they would find compromise he was strict because he never had talented players like liquid has so in order for him to win the match he needs to tell them what they need to do since they were incapable of doing anything by themselves
2020-11-29 18:52
He would be a good igl, but i dont like the fact that msl having the awp when there is a lot of good awpers out there. (and for free). Smooya, Farlig, Acor or Hallzerk + more i forgot
2020-11-29 18:04
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dude their riflers are so good that who cares if he has awp or not important thing is to get IGL why no one understands that IGL is more important than awper in a team stacked with aim stars
2020-11-29 18:07
2 replies
Hope you are right, would be nice to see msl with a good team and not old guys like cajunb...
2020-11-29 18:17
1 reply
+11111111111111111
2020-11-29 18:49
AWPer + IGL everything Liquid needs
2020-11-29 18:03
2 replies
most important great IGL wich they really need
2020-11-29 18:07
+1
2020-11-29 20:10
MSL keeps getting kicked from every team he is on, he is obviously not good anymore.
2020-11-29 18:05
7 replies
they kicked aizy too wich was their best player so i dont think he was kicked for not being good enough it was something else
2020-11-29 18:07
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Maybe, but I dont think so.
2020-11-29 18:08
1 reply
okey thats your opinion
2020-11-29 18:10
The first time he got benched by North the players stated that his style of leading was too strict. So that seems likely to me.
2020-11-29 18:25
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first time they banched him was after he won tier 1 tournament defeating prime Astralis 2 times on lan on that tournament ,and in 3 days he had to play challengers stage at major and they didnt make it cuz they were burned out and they benched him
2020-11-29 18:49
Would suit the beta soyboys on liquid This just got better, if anything
2020-11-29 20:11
1 reply
Big daddy Moses will clean em up
2020-11-30 07:52
AHHAHAH MSL? I hope u joking Botboombl4 even better MSLoh
2020-11-29 18:08
2 replies
boombla is better than no one
2020-11-29 18:10
1 reply
than MSLbot who get kicked from tier-100 losers North kekwwahhahahaha
2020-11-30 07:47
#30
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Germany sterzik
+1
2020-11-29 18:12
#35
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Brazil eumesmo
junior igl/awp
2020-11-29 18:25
6 replies
junior is not an igl and he is probably going to furia
2020-11-29 18:47
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#48
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Brazil eumesmo
if stewie can igl, junior can too.
2020-11-29 18:51
4 replies
obviously stewi cant igl ,thats the reason why liquid is playing so bad
2020-11-29 18:52
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#54
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Brazil eumesmo
that's what i meant.
2020-11-29 19:05
If stewy can igl, so can chad chaddington from my last mm game
2020-11-29 20:12
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#75
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Brazil eumesmo
exactly.
2020-11-29 20:14
dude fuck these clowns don't listen to them, Can't believe some of these douchebags think MSL is bad.
2020-11-29 18:30
3 replies
they know nothing about cs and even worst thing is that pros undervalue IGls wich is sad cuz IGL s are usally much smartet tan most of the pros
2020-11-29 18:47
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pros who undervalue IGLs probably haven't done much in cs in terms of winning tournaments. ahem... niko
2020-11-29 18:47
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faze after karrigan ence after aleksiB they say IGls are not that good after they go FAze was never even top 5 and Ence fell from top 2,3 to 30
2020-11-29 18:50
stewie is a mix of kRYSTAL and NiKo! fragwise he's like kRYSTAL and when it comes to strats he's like NiKo LMAO
2020-11-29 18:44
1 reply
true
2020-11-29 18:47
even krystal would be a upgrade over stewie. So sure MSL is probably available for free.
2020-11-29 18:52
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if they are smart they would do that
2020-11-29 18:59
imagine thinking MSL HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH I CANT EVEN FINISH MY SENTENCE XD
2020-11-29 20:01
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Yeah, would be too smart for an org who keeps someone like stewy as igl kekw
2020-11-29 20:13
MSL go to valorant please
2020-11-29 20:01
#83
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Indonesia lukerey
if f0rest still had 1 or 2 years left in him, i love to see him + hallzerk goes into TL and replace twistzz + stewie2k. eliGe as an IGL.
2020-11-30 07:57
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