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Time for a valve sanctioned World Cup after this pandemic!
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Sweden axelious 
It really is time for a new shot at a World Cup event in CS:GO. I really think that if Valve would make a World Cup that has pretty much the same dignity as a major it could be a really great event with loads of viewers. It would be enough to bring the best players. Let's say a month long tournament with qualifiers included, 1-2 million prize money comming back every 2 years. Rules: Coaches for each nation are assigned to pick teams, players are bound to citizenships, max 3 players from each roster. I think it would be really interesting to see new rosters from the old players, aswell boost unknown players in regions who only has a few star players, for example Ukraine and Bosnia/Serbia. Wouldn't it be a great idea? What rosters would you like to see? Here are some examples: Sweden: Nawwk Brollan Krimz Forest Hampus Denmark: BlameF (IGL) Dupreeh Magisk Cadian Es3tag US: Stewie2k Brehze Elige Xeppa Ethan Russia: sh1ro Axile Electronic Chopper mir Ukraine: Simple sdy B1T fostar kapacho Poland: Snatchie dycha KEi Kylar Furlan
2020-12-02 08:35
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Macedonia matzyr
tajikistan: -
2020-12-02 08:37
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Better than Us: stewie2k Denmark : gblamef (igl)
2020-12-02 10:38
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Denmark: astralis
2020-12-02 11:49
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#147
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Sweden axelious
3 player per roster limit though!
2020-12-02 12:02
2 replies
Didn’t read, ok /delete my comment
2020-12-02 12:03
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#151
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Sweden axelious
No worries =D
2020-12-02 12:04
#2
k1to | 
Austria eights
idea sounds cool but for no-scene people like me it probs woulnd't be quite as hype
2020-12-02 08:38
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#5
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Sweden axelious
Yea unfortunately I don't know a single Austrian player :/
2020-12-02 08:38
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#6
k1to | 
Austria eights
me mens))
2020-12-02 08:39
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#9
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Sweden axelious
Haha ofcourse ofcourse :D
2020-12-02 08:39
A great thing about the Soccer World Cup and the Olympics is that everyone knows exactly who to root for. Throw in a bit of national pride and everything gets more tense and exciting.
2020-12-03 20:42
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yeah I agree. But in terms of csgo I doubt they would even find five ppl to compete that are at least on global hahahaha
2020-12-03 21:15
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True - not every team in the Soccer World Cup has a shot, but for the group round, their country has something to root for!
2020-12-03 21:16
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Russia pvcure13
Hmm I wonder how this would go.. probably: Den - 1st Rus - 2nd USA - 3rd Swe - 4th Ukr - 5th Pol - 6th
2020-12-02 08:38
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#13
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Sweden axelious
Yea, Denmark would be favorites for sure! France should probably also be a contender with Zywoo in it.
2020-12-02 08:42
sorry France 1st, nt
2020-12-02 09:54
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#81
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France Yougz
+1
2020-12-02 10:51
P omegalul L hahahaha
2020-12-02 11:19
France would be 3rd or 4th imo
2020-12-02 11:19
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#110
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Sweden axelious
Yea, France could probably underperform aswell. Russia is hard to guess.
2020-12-02 11:25
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Yeah, Russia is pretty random, but i really don't think a world cup system works for CS, there is a reason it's not big right now, because the game is so much different than sports with world cups. CS kinda requires you to have played with your team before and have preset strats to play proper cs. In football you can just jump into a match and play with a team without playing with them before since it isn't as important to have preset strategies. Imo we should just stick to the current system of teams with their own players playing in majors.
2020-12-02 11:28
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#119
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Sweden axelious
I mean, I kinda think you put to much value in premade strats in CS and to little in football. It's a really big part of football to know when to press, to cover spaces and to be "connected" as a team. Their are also alot of CS-teams who can perform even though they are pretty new togheter, for example Mibr atm. Sure, it wouldn't be the best CS, but teams would develop as they go on and it would be enough for an amazing tournament.
2020-12-02 11:31
2 replies
Sure, premade strats isn't everything in cs, but the evidence that it is important is there. There is a reason why we don't have a world cup in cs and why they have one i football right? It could be entertaining to watch but i don't think it should be seen as more than a showmatch event type thing.
2020-12-02 11:41
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#126
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Sweden axelious
Yea sure, perhaps you're right, but there's only one way to find out, right? The world cup could probably be more focused on individual skill then and it would still make for great content. I guess the biggest reason why we don't have world cups is because in the beginning of CSGO there were mostly only national rosters so there were no need for it, but then when international rosters came there were no room for world cups so the attempts that were made failed.
2020-12-02 11:44
Yes and no. 98% of the CS matches involve teams composed of strangers so it's tough to argue the game can't be played unless everyone is familiar with each other - apparently it can. I get the game play would be different but pros who'd be representing their nations know each other. They scrim and practice against each other all the time. They're far from strangers. Besides, they'd spend a week or two practicing. C'mon - it'd be great!
2020-12-03 20:47
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I'm sure it'd be great but the 98% of cs matches you talk about are not professional. It would become FPL but with a new name basically
2020-12-03 21:05
-1 no brazil mens
2020-12-02 13:15
#201
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Brazil HenTheX
wheres brazil???????????????
2020-12-02 13:53
1 reply
I just listed the countries he did if every country had a team then probably 3/4 with france
2020-12-02 15:53
Russia: sh1ro - Who? Axile - Who? Electronic Chopper - Who? mir - Who? "Rus - 2nd" LMAO
2020-12-02 16:49
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> shiro ax1le uhh... the 2 most promising young RU players? > chopper a solid igl > mir okay you're baiting aren't you lmao
2020-12-02 19:01
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Ukraine Najara
Ukraine: Navi 2010
2020-12-02 08:38
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#8
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Sweden axelious
Yea, maybe atleast bring Zeus in!
2020-12-02 08:39
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#101
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Russia SW@G_2
and lose hard due to shit calls and 0 impoact from igl yes?
2020-12-02 11:12
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#103
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Sweden axelious
He can coach and atleast give them some motivational speeches ;) Don't know who would be shotcaller otherwise tho
2020-12-02 11:14
Man you really think Valve would do a big tournament when we haven't had an update that made it to "updates" tab on blog.counter-strike.net/ for 1.5 month
2020-12-02 08:39
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#10
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Sweden axelious
It's sad.. so much potential just going to waste :( We'll just have to pray Gaben gets his shit together
2020-12-02 08:40
Something big is coming men))) more then a case
2020-12-02 08:40
3 replies
I know but I'm losing my hopes, everyone is saying this for like a month or two already
2020-12-02 08:41
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#15
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Sweden axelious
I don't really know if I would want a new game though, something like a world cup would make me happier. :P
2020-12-02 08:43
James Bardolph told me in his stream that a guy working for CSGO told him It's coming up in dec almost for sure.
2020-12-02 11:44
Make me Gaben, I’ll fix everything
2020-12-02 10:07
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#146
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Sweden axelious
If only I could!
2020-12-02 12:02
it's just gonna be like WESG though, teams that are full national would just dominate like Astralis or fnatic or vitality because they wouldn't have to change their lineups, and changing them would likely make them worse would much rather have a major with the actual teams, feel like a world cup would just have non cohesive players just thrown together
2020-12-02 08:43
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#16
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Sweden axelious
Yea, but that's the point of max 3 players from existing rosters, so that they can't only play their usual strats. Sure, the countries you are saying are probably the favorites, but it could make for new contenders, for example Russia could be a great team when Denmark need to shuffle in two new players compared to Astralis. And I'm all for a major, maybe first an original major and then something like this.
2020-12-02 08:45
He said 3 players from a roster max but I think it would be like WESG where teams just didnt really give a fuck that were just thrown together for fun
2020-12-02 08:45
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#18
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Sweden axelious
Even if it's a valve sanctioned million dollar event?
2020-12-02 08:46
9 replies
Teams would not only have to practice with their main rosters but then also with their national roster. Would make strat development nearly impossible but could actually cause tension between players. Imagine OG if Aleksib just started using their strats for the Finnish team or something. Would be great for a "fun" event but not serious
2020-12-02 09:51
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#51
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Sweden axelious
Yea, that's a problem I really didn't consider, but the meta develops really fast anyways, and if the world cup would take place before the summer player break teams would need to pretty much restart with their strats anyways.
2020-12-02 09:58
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I would love if they had a section after the major where it was the "world cup" and was purely a fun thing but I wouldnt want it to be serious because it would bring down the level of play in normal pro games
2020-12-02 10:11
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#68
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Sweden axelious
I guess that could be an "easier" way of doing it, but if it isn't taken seriously I really don't think the top tier players would want to play it. For them to join it needs the be the real deal!
2020-12-02 10:16
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I dont think it will be taken serious under any conditions but at least this way it would be enjoyable for the players
2020-12-02 19:48
#287
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Australia Fev1col
Maybe throw in a different map pool
2020-12-04 10:44
I mean it's not like this is a radical, untested, concept. We have very successful examples with the Soccer World Cup. None of the concerns you've brought up really happen in the soccer world cup. Why would it be different in esports?
2020-12-03 20:51
2 replies
Because strategy plays a much smalled part in Football than in CSGO. A good example of this is look at Formula 1 when Rosberg set a good lap Hamilton would ask his pit crew what he did well to improve his lap. Now imagine a player did that and brought stuff over to his international team and they took it back to their main roster.
2020-12-03 23:23
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I see what you're saying, however; these guys watch endless demos of each other so nothing is secret per se. The only element of surprise comes from not knowing what they'll choose to do during a given round. Also, when you assemble a new team, your strats would be unique for that group of people to some extent or you pull out a handful of old strats you don't use much anymore and run with those. Anyway, put it on the front page of twitch, get people rooting for their country and draw fresh viewers to the sport. Everybody wins.
2020-12-04 16:29
Yeah my apologies, skimmed over that part but it agree it probably wouldn't be taken seriously mostly just a fun cash grab
2020-12-02 08:46
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Yeh honestly imagine how little prep would go into it as teams wouldnt wanna practice with 2 completely different rosters
2020-12-02 09:51
what happend with wesg?
2020-12-02 09:55
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#66
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Sweden axelious
I would say it flopped because the player base for it was too bad :/
2020-12-02 10:13
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#71
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France Poloqua
did they finally pay windigo ? i don't know the end of the story
2020-12-02 10:31
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#72
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Sweden axelious
Yea I think they got paid in May or something.
2020-12-02 10:32
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#74
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France Poloqua
k thx
2020-12-02 10:35
>feel like a world cup would just have non cohesive players just thrown together That's pretty much what's happening in every sports.
2020-12-02 09:58
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#67
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Sweden axelious
Yea probably will be like that, but it also makes for alot of unpredictability and drama etc. That's what kinda makes world cups really exciting, like Italy, Spain, Germany going out directly even though being one of the favorites, Greece or Denmark winning even though they are pretty much the worst seeded team. (If you follow football)
2020-12-02 10:15
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That's why I said it. I watch football a lot and the WC or the Euro is the most exciting competition for me. I've never witnessed a bad WC or Euro (watched since 2004).
2020-12-02 10:50
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#82
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Sweden axelious
Yea I really agree! Just wanted to emphasise your point :D I'm longing for the Euro this summer!
2020-12-02 10:51
Idk, sounds cool, but It is not fair. Astralis, Vitality, NiP(Fnatic) could basically play as Denmark, France, Sweden. It would be huge advantage
2020-12-02 09:04
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#21
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Sweden axelious
That's why I said 3 players per roster max, so that they can't just play their defaults and need to mix it up, while countries like Russia and US can get a new mix togheter with the best from the best teams! I think it's the best way of doing it atleast! Denmark, France and Sweden probably would be favorites anyways!
2020-12-02 09:06
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Heh, mb, I guess I should have read more than just first sentence. Sry
2020-12-02 09:07
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#23
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Sweden axelious
Hehe, no worries!
2020-12-02 09:09
2 replies
But more I think about it, it sounds really nice. Like f.e. we could see Space soldiers back together.
2020-12-02 09:11
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#27
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Sweden axelious
Yea, for example! Maybe adding Woxic and it could be a real contender.
2020-12-02 09:15
#24
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France Kaaai
Some(if not all) esports teams wouldn't allow that. It's just a waste of money for them, and the players have to respect their contracts
2020-12-02 09:10
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#26
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Sweden axelious
Yes, I agree that's a problem as it is with the NHL and Olympics for example. The upside could be market value for their players, maybe teams who have players picked gets a refund of some sort. I guess it could be dealt with a players organisation that pushed for it, but it's a long way to it. They make it work in football and it's the best thing ever to watch a European cup or World cup, so it shouldn't be impossible. But I agree that it's a problem.
2020-12-02 09:14
But this simply isn't the case in every actual World Cup in every other sport. Why would it be different in esports?
2020-12-03 21:14
Terrible idea, no player wants this, people wanna practice with their own teams not with some bullshit lineup some random ass coach made up. Also the level of cs would be terrible and teams like Astralis with 5 people from 1 country would completely dominate. Nothing about this works just stop pls.
2020-12-02 09:18
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#30
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Sweden axelious
Dude, Read the post. That's why I said max 3 players from each existing roster. I also said every second year just so it doesn't interrupt the "normal" scene too much. It might not be the best CS but that makes way for Cinderella stories and drama, and atleast for me it would have meant alot more to represent my country then my org. It is the best thing in football, why shouldn't it work here? Wouldn't you like to see ChrisJ, Cruc1al and some new talent represent Netherlands?
2020-12-02 09:28
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I understand your idea but I also agree that this wouldn't work as well as you might think. players play best with their teams, because that's who they train with. throwing them with their countrymen would throw most players off. I'm sure the players would also not like this because they feel a lot more comfortable in their respective teams. also you'd have players like Niko, woxic, rain, ropz, broky and more who'd be completely absent from this tournament because they are the only player of major winning skill from their country.
2020-12-02 09:43
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#40
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Sweden axelious
Answer to #37: I for one would love to see my nation play once in a while, since I feel more invested in cheering for my country then an org, especially in Esports were Orgs change all the time. And atleast right now it's tiring seeing the same teams play all the time, like NiP vs Vitality for the 15th time this year. I don't see why players wouldn't want to play for their country, to me it would be the biggest tournament of my life representing my country. Compare CL and WC in football f.e. I do however realise it would be sad for Ropz and Broky, but seeing Rain, Jkaem, Hallzerk, and two more would still be amazing. Niko and Hunter could be enough to do some damage though, and could actually give a chance to new players from their country and could also expand CS as a brand in it if it goes well.
2020-12-02 09:49
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i dont see that happening also they already tried this format with WESG back in the day and it worked horribly, people like watching teams much more then the nations. so no, valve won't want to try this again.
2020-12-02 09:51
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#54
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Sweden axelious
Yea, I realise WESG was a complete failure, but the problem was rather in the quality of the players parttaking then in people not wanting to watch it. The problem too me rather is making it happen then wether it would be a successfull event. I'm a bit suprised that some people thinks it would be an event not worth watching, but I guess us people are different in alot of ways. :D
2020-12-02 10:00
i think people here cant read more than one line
2020-12-02 09:46
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#41
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Sweden axelious
Haha seems like it. :D Guess I'm the same sometimes though.
2020-12-02 09:49
France 1: ZywOo apEX misutaaa JaCkz Bodyy France 2: shox RpK Maka Amanek Lucky
2020-12-02 09:26
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#31
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Sweden axelious
Rather Maka then KennyS? But yes, deadly line-ups!
2020-12-02 09:30
WESG 2021? nah I'm good fam, instead give us one major p/ year with $3 million dollar prize pool.
2020-12-02 09:36
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#34
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Sweden axelious
Except I want it to be valve-sanctioned to give it some dignity and hopefully get the best players competing.
2020-12-02 09:40
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#36 this would never work out well. the players want to play with their teams, and the fans want to see the teams play, not the nations.
2020-12-02 09:44
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None of your concerns are issues at all when you look at any actual World Cup tournaments held by any sport. Why are esports so special they would be totally different from other competitions?
2020-12-03 21:04
#33
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Portugal Hmikas
mayB
2020-12-02 09:39
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#231
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Sweden axelious
Yes
2020-12-03 08:12
Sounds like a great idea imo, but i think there would be a few problems connected, i tihnk it will be hard for the teams without a long practise-period to go from team to 'nation'. Besides that it would prolly cause a few problems for igls and so on, concerning about secret teamstrats. And how would each nation pick their players? interesting idea, but quite a bit problems connected imo
2020-12-02 09:42
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#46
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Sweden axelious
Yea, haven't thought about the team secrets. Maybe it should be played before the playerbreak so that most teams anyways "restarts" in a way when comming back from it. The CS would probably be scrappier, but that could also make room for more dramas etc. About picking their players, as it works in other sports, nations create a "national organisation" who are responsible of picking coaches who then pick their players. I guess something like this could be possible even if it is quite a bit work before it would be possible.
2020-12-02 09:53
4 replies
That could work yeah, but yeah its probably gonna be a bit sloppy, but it would be so fun to see the best players from each nation (who isnt on the same team) clash against other
2020-12-02 09:59
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#55
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Sweden axelious
Yes, too me it would be worth the drop in level of CS-performance. =)
2020-12-02 10:01
2 replies
+1, it would help cs in genereal as well, playerbase would most likely grow, and more awarness mediawise. In denmark it would most probably be on the 'head' channel haha
2020-12-02 10:04
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#60
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Sweden axelious
Yea agree! And if a team like Serbia (or whatever country the Kovacs play for) or Poland goes far in the tournament it would increase the interest in that region alot. Maybe even a team like Israel could go far since there would only be like 6-7 really good teams.
2020-12-02 10:06
#104
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Portugal xxxruixxx
I was about to write a similar post. Let me also add that we´ve had some attempts at organizing "world cup" events in the past (e-frag csgo world championship and WESG) but they ended up being quite underwhelming, not interesting and with low audiences/viewership because of those same reasons. Also, not many orgs would be willing to free some of their players to play in "national squads" due to the potential impact in their (org´s team) performance....
2020-12-02 11:17
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#108
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Sweden axelious
Yea, I think the key factor would be to get all the players. If that succeed then the viewership would probably also come. The orgs not wanting to let their players go could ofcourse be a problem and is all about setting the "norm". It's for example a problem between NHL and the Olympics. But I think doing something like the world cup were this is just before the playerbreak/overlapping the playerbreak so that the team will pretty much need to restart their practises anyways. Otherwise, you'll need the players organisation stepping up to press the orgs lettning their players go, maybe the event could also give a refund to orgs letting their players go.
2020-12-02 11:22
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Yep, but then on the other hand, it might lead to exhaustion due to missing the actual player break hahah, and thats another factor, the orgs wouldnt be to happy about. Dont get me wrong, i would absolutely love to see it happen, but in some way i there are far to many potential problems with it
2020-12-02 11:33
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#122
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Sweden axelious
Yes, I understand, and I do realise there're problems. I really want it to happen though so I'm trying to make solutions for them :D I guess it would be up to a choice for the players, and maybe getting a couple of days extra at the end of the playerbreak if you attended the World cup.
2020-12-02 11:37
3 Players from one team is too op, 2 would've been better. with like 2 subs. It would be a tournament mostly for fun i believe, so having few beloved players in team like N0thing in USA and Pasha in Poland would be great. Also having younger prodigys in team would be cool for them to gain some traction in following. I can see it like this Sweden: REZ (NIP) Nawwk (NIP) Krimz (FNC) F0rest(DIG) Brollan(FNC) Sub: Olofmeister(FaZe) GeT-RiGhT(DIG) Denmark: BlameF (CoL) Dupreeh(AST) Device(AST) Cadian(HER) k0nfig(CoL) sub: Farlig(GOD) CajunB(NOR) US: Stewie2k(LIQ) Brehze(EQ) Elige(LIQ) oBo(FREE) Ethan(EG) sub: n0thing(Free) shroud(Free) Russia: sh1ro(GBT) Axile(GBT) Electronic(NAVI) magixx(SPT) mir(SPT) sub: Dosia(Free) m0NESY(NAVIa) Ukraine: Simple(NAVI) sdy(SPT) B1T fostar kapacho Poland: Snatchie(Free) dycha(Free) Byali(Free Snax(ILL) TaZ(HON) sub: PashaBiceps(Free) NEO(HON) ez G5 France: ZyWOo (VIT) shox (VIT) KennyS(G2) kioShiMa(HER) bodyy(LDLC) sub: JaCkz(G2) KQLY(lul)
2020-12-02 09:45
Dude you list fkin Poland and not France? Oh okay they were just examples Anyways whats your roster for france
2020-12-02 09:51
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#50
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Sweden axelious
Haha yea, I wanted to leave some open for suggestions ;) What would you pick? I would probably say: Zywoo Shox Amanek Apex JackZ I know there are other french teams, but really isn't sure any of those players would be better for the team since I choose balance here. KennyS and Zywoo would be cool, but probably not so good. :P Edit: Oh, forgot about NBK. I actually probably would go -Amanek + NBK
2020-12-02 10:03
Netherlands: Me and my MM buddy’s
2020-12-02 09:54
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#56
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Sweden axelious
Don't forget ChrizzyJ ;)
2020-12-02 10:01
2 replies
Nah don’t need him, we could probably take down Ukraine and Poland but one of our guys is silver so it’s gonna be close
2020-12-02 10:09
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#65
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Sweden axelious
haha bet silver's going to carry!
2020-12-02 10:12
+1 I always wanted a WC for CS. But not like WESG, no orgs allowed, only national teams and like you said, max 3 players per team.
2020-12-02 10:04
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#69
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Sweden axelious
Yes, indeed, WESG was a pure failure and not at all what we want!
2020-12-02 10:23
#59
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North America 1aurora
why would denmark be anything but astralis
2020-12-02 10:05
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#61
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Sweden axelious
Because I said max 3 players from active rosters to avoid Astralis just dominating ;)
2020-12-02 10:06
#70
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India err0rPD
India: Forsaken Forsaken Forsaken Forsaken Forsaken Forsaken (Coach)
2020-12-02 10:27
1 reply
#145
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Sweden axelious
probably a winning lineup ngl
2020-12-02 12:01
Kei, Kylar in Poland? hahhaha. But the idea of championship is very good
2020-12-02 10:38
#76
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Finland kalza1
Finland: aleksib ottoNd aerial zehn xSeven
2020-12-02 10:42
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#77
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Sweden axelious
Would be cool to see a finnish line-up pretty much without Ence! Could be kind of a juggernaut actually!
2020-12-02 10:47
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#80
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Finland kalza1
Finland could definitely get top4 imo
2020-12-02 10:50
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#84
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Sweden axelious
Wouldn't suprise me actually! Russia and Sweden would probably loose to them atleast. I think Brazil could also be a really good team!
2020-12-02 10:52
2 replies
kscerato, Yuurih, cold, hen1 and fallen would be interesting to see at least
2020-12-02 11:46
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#131
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Sweden axelious
Yea it could be a winning line-up in such an event for sure. Maybe VSM could make a place in it if he continues for a half a year or so.
2020-12-02 11:47
Slovakia -STYKO -frozen -Zero -praajs - bot Irvin
2020-12-02 10:50
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#87
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Sweden axelious
Put Guardian in it and it would actually be a good team!
2020-12-02 10:54
5 replies
bruh bot irvin kinda poggers ngl
2020-12-02 10:55
4 replies
#91
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Sweden axelious
Would probably get him in for Frozen then ;) Any ideas for a Brazil team?
2020-12-02 11:01
3 replies
fer fallen fnx taco praajs
2020-12-02 11:03
2 replies
#96
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Sweden axelious
Nah, would be cheating, praajs to good mens)
2020-12-02 11:05
1 reply
ye men, he very person)
2020-12-02 11:06
denmark without their best player smh
2020-12-02 10:52
3 replies
#85
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Sweden axelious
Yea, I were really wondering if Device would be in, but there're other good AWPers and I wanted other players from Astralis. What rooster would you pick?
2020-12-02 10:53
2 replies
device blameF konfig xyp9x gla1ve
2020-12-02 10:54
1 reply
#88
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Sweden axelious
Xyp9x instead of Dupreeh :O I'd probably go Es3tag instead of Glaive atleast. And really leaving Magisk out? But yea, Denmark is really though to choose from!
2020-12-02 10:55
Renegades need EU bootcamps first.
2020-12-02 10:56
7 replies
#92
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Sweden axelious
I guess we could bring back 100T since they're actually not in the same org anymore.
2020-12-02 11:02
6 replies
Current renegades squad would have much better chance.
2020-12-02 11:02
5 replies
#94
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Sweden axelious
You think? Only get to take 3 of them though acording to my premises!
2020-12-02 11:03
4 replies
-hatz -malta +liazz +ustilo
2020-12-02 11:10
3 replies
#99
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Sweden axelious
No Jks? :O But I guess you aussies knows best!
2020-12-02 11:11
2 replies
i doubt JKS fits the roster very well and of course i'm just throwing ideas around.
2020-12-02 11:12
1 reply
#102
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Sweden axelious
Yes ofcourse, anyways, it would be interesting to see where Renegades are at compared to international competition.
2020-12-02 11:13
jame>>shiro
2020-12-02 11:20
3 replies
#111
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Sweden axelious
Shiro seems to be the real deal though! Kazakhstan could have a good team btw!
2020-12-02 11:24
2 replies
jame russian
2020-12-02 11:25
1 reply
#114
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Sweden axelious
Yea, I know, changed the subject sorry. :P Russian and Denmark has the hardest choices tbh.
2020-12-02 11:25
#109
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Greece Graecos
It would be great! I'd love to watch that! NCs were so popular when Clanbase was still alive
2020-12-02 11:22
10 replies
#112
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Sweden axelious
Clanbase? :D This is something I don't know anything about!
2020-12-02 11:24
9 replies
#118
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Greece Graecos
It was a huge website for gaming back in the early 2000s. The website shut down in 2013. There were leagues, Nationscup, Eurocups, ladder for plenty of games: CS, CSS, Medal of Honor, Enemy Territory, RTCW, Urban Terror, Quake, CoD, ... I'm talking about a time, comparatively, Clanbase was the English Football Premier League and ESL was the Belgium division 2.
2020-12-02 11:31
8 replies
#121
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Sweden axelious
Ah, I see! I weren't really around at that time. But yea, if something like a WC would have been a thing from the start of CS:GO it would probably be a big thing already, but I guess at that time most teams were national anyways.
2020-12-02 11:35
7 replies
#206
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Greece Graecos
It depends on the game and the period, I'd say... The biggest teams ET were mainly international. In RTCW, it was pretty even, a lot of international teams but a lot of national ones (especially at the start: PMCG, idle.ee, infensus, 4 Kings, ...). Lower teams were most of the time national. I can't really talk about other games, unfortunately
2020-12-02 14:26
6 replies
#207
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Sweden axelious
Haha I'm just trying to see what games it is you're refering too =D
2020-12-02 14:28
5 replies
#209
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Greece Graecos
RTCW = Return to Castle Wolfenstein ET = Wolfenstein Enemy Territory Sorry, their legacy is huge but they aren't well-known nowadays ^^
2020-12-02 14:37
4 replies
#211
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Sweden axelious
Ah yea, no worries, I guess they are huge, unfortunately I don't know about them. But you're right that it have been very different for different scenes and time periods!
2020-12-02 14:38
3 replies
#215
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Greece Graecos
No more than 3-400 players nowadays for both games but they used to be a lot more. We managed to build up a French-speaking team for the current Nationscup after more than 10 years of absence
2020-12-02 15:08
2 replies
#219
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Sweden axelious
Ah cool! I Guess small fanbases are the most devoted!
2020-12-02 16:43
1 reply
#222
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Greece Graecos
That's true! We have constant tournaments atm(One-day-cup, Quakecon@home, League, Draft cup, Nationscup), several frag movies per month, gather games every night (MM equivalent via Discord), new maps every 5-6 months. We even have a developer team, which is working on a new mod with better netcode to allow fair transatlantic games.
2020-12-02 17:09
i see it could happen but dont make it 3 players max from one team, make it 2 players max bcs of the playerbase. you want your scene to grow so more random players = more chance for scene to grow
2020-12-02 11:27
2 replies
#123
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Sweden axelious
Yea sure, 2 players from a team could work. I rather that then 5 from the same roster atleast!
2020-12-02 11:38
#153
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Sweden axelious
I guess the rosters I made worked with 2 players limit anyways, so could work actually!
2020-12-02 12:05
it would be imo waste of time and money. teams have really busy schedules already, teams would not have enough practice and im pretty sure that a lot of top tier players would actually decline to play there... it would be t4 event with huge prize money just like wesg was...
2020-12-02 11:31
11 replies
#125
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Sweden axelious
I guess scheduling wise it would replace a major, so that year 1 there are two majors and year 2 there are 1 major and 1 world cup, and then it repeats. It's a risk it would be like WESG but it doesn't have to be. If Valve really goes for it I think it could work.
2020-12-02 11:42
6 replies
"I guess scheduling wise it would replace a major" so you would replace the best and most prestigious tournament to watch national mix teams playing against each others without proper practice? oh well imo its a bad idea. really bad idea
2020-12-02 11:46
5 replies
#130
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Sweden axelious
Haha actually I would! Not all the time, but once in a while it would be cool. I mostly get bored of it when there are teams dominating, and when that's the case 2 majors per year is too much anyways.
2020-12-02 11:46
4 replies
2 majors per year are fine if you dont have another huge valve event like international in dota... i repsect your opinion but event like this replacing major? for me big no :D
2020-12-02 11:48
3 replies
#133
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Sweden axelious
Hehe yea, it's okey :D Right now, what we all want, is a major nonetheless!
2020-12-02 11:49
2 replies
yea but im affraid that we wont have major another at least 6 months tho(or any lan in general)
2020-12-02 11:50
1 reply
#136
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Sweden axelious
Hopefully we will start getting lan soon, we really need that vaccine though. A major should be played with audience atleast, so yea, it will probably be in late 2021 :(
2020-12-02 11:52
Pro Soccer players have a busy schedule as well, but when Argentina calls up Lionel Messi and asks him to join their team for the World Cup, he joins the team.
2020-12-03 20:59
3 replies
How many matches do they play per week overall? Csgo teams play even 2-3 matches per day... Another thing is that world cups have a name. It's huge deal bcs od history. Csgo doesn't have that and imo won't have that
2020-12-03 21:03
2 replies
I'm pretty sure tier 1 pro soccer players keep an extremely busy schedule. The Soccer World Cup is a huge deal for a lot of reasons, including the pros buy in, the nations get behind them, and the trophy is extremely prestigious. Why wouldn't a CS fan get behind their national team for one tournament? Why wouldn't a CS player invest in representing their country for one tournament? You don't think Danes care have national pride when it comes to CS? You don't think Brazilians like Brazilian CS? Wouldn't USA want to prove they aren't door mats on the global scene? I see a huge potential here.
2020-12-03 21:09
1 reply
Because we already had wesg and it was FAIL even with the highest prize money. Players practice with their teams, they practice solo and they have several tournaments that they play at the same time. Like I already said they play several matches some days and you rly can't compare it with football where you have even few days before matches... I don't see potential here at all especially if we look at burn outs, players complaining about schedule and tons of top players already declined to represent their country in the past. I will rather watch big events with top teams that are prepared then t2 national mix teams
2020-12-04 07:10
finland: aleksib allu xseven aerial sergej
2020-12-02 11:55
3 replies
#141
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Sweden axelious
Good lineup if they could get along :D
2020-12-02 11:57
2 replies
too true :(
2020-12-02 12:30
hold it together for 3 weeks boys!
2020-12-03 21:12
What about Belgium & Netherlands ? lmao
2020-12-02 11:57
4 replies
#142
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Sweden axelious
Cruc1al ChrisJ 3 talents Scream (yea no I know) Nivera 3 talents. England could make a decent team! Hopefully it could make the scene grow in those countries atleast :D
2020-12-02 11:59
3 replies
Cruc1al ChrisJ Rilax Fashr +1 Nivera ex6tenz davidp scream +1
2020-12-02 12:03
2 replies
#150
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Sweden axelious
Right, forgot about ex6tenz! I don't have that indepth knowledge in the scenes, thx! What line-up of them would be the best you think?
2020-12-02 12:04
1 reply
nivera awp ex6tenz igl davidp rifle scream rifle +1 maybe to1nou Crucial awp chrisJ igl Rilax rifle Fashr rifle
2020-12-02 12:05
Cadian (IGL) since his strats are better than BaitF
2020-12-02 11:57
6 replies
#144
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Sweden axelious
Yea, maybe, it's a tuff choice actually!
2020-12-02 11:59
5 replies
Fight for the IGL ------> Gla1ve, BlameF, Cadian
2020-12-02 12:11
4 replies
#161
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Sweden axelious
haha yea, It's like: Fragging 1. BlameF, 2. Cadian, 3. Glaive IGLing 1. Glaive 2. Cadian 3. BlameF So who do you choose :D
2020-12-02 12:15
3 replies
Cadian and BlameF since Cadian is 2nd at both the spots so giving him IGL would be a good choice and BlameF frags and we dont need an IGL any more so no need for Gla1ve.
2020-12-02 12:56
2 replies
#177
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Sweden axelious
You got me, I'm sold!
2020-12-02 13:04
1 reply
Thanks Buddy!!!!!!!!!
2020-12-02 16:19
I think no limits on rosters, no team has the perfect roster either way
2020-12-02 11:57
5 replies
#143
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Sweden axelious
But then Astralis roster will probably win :P
2020-12-02 11:59
3 replies
It’s not perfect, Swe Rus Fra can defo challenge + some other nations
2020-12-02 12:24
2 replies
#168
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Sweden axelious
Yea, I guess atm that it works, and for example I think Sweden and maybe Finland could build better rosters by switching up some players. In long-term, I think that it should be all players from every country and no limits, but right now I think the tournament would be better with 3 player limits.
2020-12-02 12:25
Sweden lul
2020-12-02 13:48
I disagree. There are a couple organizations that have all one nationality which definitely would take away from the event. Forcing nations to mix it up would make for a better tournament. Frankly, I'd love to see Device and Glaive paired up with different teammates for one tournament. Would be cool to see the different dynamics.
2020-12-03 20:40
Elige and NAF are canadian not US France: Zywoo Nivea Apex Kio Hadji Jermany: Syrson Tabsen Xantares faven denis or some shit
2020-12-02 12:05
4 replies
#158
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Sweden axelious
Not Elige though? I dindn't bring NAF up and Twistzz is canadian, so with Stanislaw and Jonji canada could have cool line-up. Isn't Nivera Belgian? or does he have dual citizenships? Xantares it Turkey right? Tizian could probably get in to Germany line-up anyway.
2020-12-02 12:13
3 replies
Oh true forgot about twistzz, they could have a solid lineup tbh. And Xantares has a dual citizenship I believe, so he can choose whatever flag he wants, same with Nivea. Also with this being only 3 players max per team, Tizian can't join the Jerman lineup.
2020-12-02 12:33
2 replies
#174
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Sweden axelious
Yea okey, then Germany could also have a really good squad! I thought Xantares was only turkish and wanted to change him with Tizian, but then I see. Nivera is really good and have really stepped up in Vitality, he could definently take place in a french line-up in that case!
2020-12-02 12:38
I think Canada could absolutely field a contender.
2020-12-03 20:36
I would rather watch a legends cup instead. Bring back older retired pros from each region. I wanna see spawn, zonic, heaton, potti, cogu, bit, ave, arcadion, neo, and many more all over again. A salute to the old guard would be awesome.
2020-12-02 12:05
3 replies
#159
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Sweden axelious
Haha yea that would also be awesome!
2020-12-02 12:13
+1 that sounds good
2020-12-02 13:09
in a world cup format, the team captain could select whoever they wanted so you might see some of the old guard get pulled up to action. would be really cool.
2020-12-03 20:35
#156
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Estonia mr_abdul
Estonia would dominate so probably no point even having the tourney ropz hs shokz fejtz mr_abdul
2020-12-02 12:09
1 reply
#160
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Sweden axelious
Hehe they could compete for sho!
2020-12-02 12:14
#162
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Kazakhstan amegakure
Kazakhstan: AdreN Hobbit buster qikert Mou
2020-12-02 12:15
1 reply
#165
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Sweden axelious
Actually good lineup! Would be great to see them togheter!
2020-12-02 12:22
#163
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Poland Astoner55
Poland would take Michu, MhL, Innocent, Rallen and Dycha. Can't see it the other way honestly
2020-12-02 12:16
1 reply
#166
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Sweden axelious
Forgot about Innocent, that's true! I really like Mhl, but don't know if he's better then Snax, especially now taking a break and so on. I think there are many potential Poland line-ups that would actually be good though.
2020-12-02 12:23
#164
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Finland Jomppeboi
I would love a tournament like this but the sad fact is that Valve doesn't give a fuck about anything. They will probably make another shitty major with 500k prize pool.
2020-12-02 12:20
1 reply
#169
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Sweden axelious
Yea dude, can't we like all go together and give CSGO to a better company that actually gives a crap?
2020-12-02 12:26
Turkey Calyx XANTARES Ngin Woxic Majer
2020-12-02 12:35
2 replies
#173
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Poland Astoner55
Woxic and Calyx in the same team? No way
2020-12-02 12:38
1 reply
#175
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Sweden axelious
If Xantares have dual citizenships (as we discuessed above) I wonder if he would choose Germany or Turkey. Otherwise a good team, hopefully they can work out their differences!
2020-12-02 12:40
There used to be lans like that back in 1.6 and they were stupid cuz there were like 2-3 teams that could really compete only between each other. As far as i remember it was down to Sweden vs Poland basically.
2020-12-02 13:08
1 reply
#180
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Sweden axelious
Yea, true, I don't know much about it. Now a days though things are different. There would be 5-6 great countries and about 4-5 other good countries I'd guess!
2020-12-02 13:13
UK: ALEX smooya Surreal mezzi mantuu
2020-12-02 13:30
5 replies
#187
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Sweden axelious
Surreal instead of Thomas? UK team is actually also pretty good!
2020-12-02 13:34
4 replies
I knew I was forgetting someone, -Surreal +Thomas.
2020-12-02 13:37
3 replies
#196
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Sweden axelious
Hehe, yea it's easy to forget something. Who of Smooya and Mantuu should be main AWP you think?
2020-12-02 13:38
2 replies
smooya because he's a t1 awp, just too adhd to stay consistent with a team, right?
2020-12-02 13:39
1 reply
#199
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Sweden axelious
Haha yea true! It's all a gamble on him. Wish some team would want to do that gamble soon!
2020-12-02 13:43
1 Major 1 World cup per year or 1 year 2 Major second year 1 major 1 Worldcup so every 3 Majors a WC
2020-12-02 13:32
5 replies
#185
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Sweden axelious
I would say 3 Majors and 1 World cup per two years!
2020-12-02 13:33
4 replies
i just edited the same time you reacted i think
2020-12-02 13:34
3 replies
#188
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Sweden axelious
Haha yea exactly! Just missed that. But that was what I was thinking as well, would be awesome!
2020-12-02 13:34
2 replies
i think it would give enough time to prepare and make a decent line up
2020-12-02 13:35
1 reply
#191
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Sweden axelious
Yea, true! I agree!
2020-12-02 13:36
#184
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Japan tatsumi
lower the max players from a specific roster to 2 and you got a solid idea also i feel like it would have more hype and impact if it happened every 3 years and replaced both majors for that year
2020-12-02 13:32
6 replies
#190
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Sweden axelious
Yea sure, all the rosters I made as examples were accidentally also made by the rule you suggest so it's definently doable! Every 3 years aswell I would be fine with. Too often and it would probably get boring, but if it is every once in a while the hype would be big!
2020-12-02 13:36
Maybe only for specific nations, some nations barely have one decent team
2020-12-02 13:42
3 replies
#202
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Sweden axelious
You mean it should be restricted to specific nations or that it would only be a hype for specific nations?
2020-12-02 13:53
2 replies
I mean let weaker nations have 4 players per roster
2020-12-02 13:58
1 reply
#204
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Sweden axelious
Aha, yea that might actually be a good idea to compensate!
2020-12-02 14:01
I think max of 2 from a given roster does make it more interesting.
2020-12-03 20:30
#193
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Croatia mds818
no.
2020-12-02 13:37
Croatia: 3 G1337 players and some random level 10s
2020-12-02 13:37
1 reply
#205
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Sweden axelious
True my friend.. :( Maybe we can find 5 17 y/o that can do some damage!
2020-12-02 14:08
#195
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Brazil LS777
Thats not an WORLD cup, it´s a europe cup with USA
2020-12-02 13:37
#208
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Switzerland NotJuan
The players would not commit to practicing with a temporary team, so the quality of cs will be a lot lower
2020-12-02 14:33
4 replies
#210
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Sweden axelious
Aslong as the top tier players are in it I'm fine with it. They will become better as the tournament progresses. The quality will for sure be a bit lower, but that's why it should be only once every second year or something. Also, the lower level of CS gives way for more upsets, drama and stories.
2020-12-02 14:37
1 reply
agreed. it would be really entertaining to watch.
2020-12-03 20:28
I think when the Belgium soccer team gets together to represent Belgium in the World Cup, they're fine with committing to practice. Why would esports pros be any different?
2020-12-03 20:29
1 reply
#262
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Sweden axelious
Exactly, I really think they would be prepared to put in some practice for it if it's an event that is taken seriously from the organisers/valve.
2020-12-03 20:48
3 IGL for Denmark? 3Head
2020-12-02 14:43
1 reply
#213
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Sweden axelious
Who more then BlameF and Cadian do you consider IGL? :D
2020-12-02 14:46
#214
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India Relunk
India?
2020-12-02 14:50
1 reply
#221
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Sweden axelious
2020-12-02 16:58
Good idea)) But Valve is too lazy to do anything(
2020-12-02 15:10
Cool! Pretty much what i was pondering here: hltv.org/forums/threads/1846338/csgo-wor.. Not sure about those tiers and restrictions anymore, yours might be better and more equal.
2020-12-02 19:09
1 reply
#228
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Sweden axelious
Ah Yea, that was also a cool idea! Should be made in some kind of variant like this atleast!
2020-12-02 21:41
You want a Valve version of WESG? Complete and utter shit of an idea. You'll be watching shit CS with no team chemistry, antistratting, or well-drilled strategy.
2020-12-02 19:13
20 replies
#229
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Sweden axelious
Dude, if the best players are attending it wont be shit CS. Sure it's not the highest lvl but it would for sure still be good CS. All players would be from same country so atleast some team chemistry. The point of Valve sponsoring is to make it have the dignity needed to actually make it one hell of an event!
2020-12-02 21:43
18 replies
Would you rather have your top teams at the event be a team core + 2 players essentially standing in OR have full teams with years of experience together?
2020-12-03 15:12
17 replies
#234
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Sweden axelious
Well for this kind of World Cup? Defo the first, atleast atm
2020-12-03 19:30
13 replies
Yes, why would anyone want to have the best teams at the biggest event, it's a waste. Let's have a shitload of half-baked teams at the biggest event, makes sense.
2020-12-03 19:34
12 replies
ever heard of the olympics?
2020-12-03 19:42
11 replies
That's the best athletes from each country competing in solo and team sports. The teams practice for years together to build chemistry and improve together. The suggested event isn't even comparable to the Olympics, don't be braindead. With the ruleset OP suggested, teams wouldn't practice for 3+ years for this event, they'd just play as a core 3 + 2 stand-ins. Once again, don't be braindead.
2020-12-03 19:45
10 replies
"With the ruleset OP suggested" Well just adjust the rules untill it makes sense. It definetely can happen, but likely won't in this century.
2020-12-03 19:53
8 replies
Ok, so just if it's anything like the Olympics, we'd just send already established single-nationality teams like Astralis, Fnatic, Furia etc without any international rosters competing. So it's a major without any international teams. It's WESG. It's a bad idea at best.
2020-12-03 20:14
7 replies
I really don't think you understand the concept. OP specifically said max of 3 could be selected from an established team. So the danes could select 3 from astralis but would have to pick 2 from somewhere else.
2020-12-03 20:24
6 replies
finally someone who can explain it
2020-12-03 20:50
#254 is an example of tweaking the rules so that it isn't a core + 2 standins read #238 and #243, or better yet, read the whole chain of comments!
2020-12-03 22:38
4 replies
He wrote #254
2020-12-03 22:52
2 replies
Meant #245
2020-12-03 22:54
1 reply
You did? But then it doesn't make sense? Besides, nobody thinks that it should happen next month, more like in a couple of years, so that Valve/organizers and players can prepare. WESG hasn't got anything to do with it, we are talking about a tournament larger than the major. If it were to be implemented, I'd say it would replace 1 major out of 4, so it would take place once every 2 years.
2020-12-03 23:07
it's not a world cup if established teams participate as-is. It has to be that nation's team. National pride is a key ingredient. I don't care about the soccer world cup because I love soccer, I care about it because I want my country to win (i know...insert jokes about USA soccer here...)
2020-12-03 23:18
are you familiar with the soccer world cup?
2020-12-03 20:25
we get established teams playing each other every single day of the year. It's not like that would go away. This world cup idea would be for one tournament. It's a great idea.
2020-12-03 20:27
2 replies
The 'world cup' idea has already been done! It was WESG and it was shit/ irrelevant. Sure they didn't have the top players, and that's because the top players want to play tournaments with prestige, not some shitty world cup knock-off. Having the tournament circuit like it is currently is way too much, let alone adding another tournament. Very few people watch a whole tournament nowadays as it's CS 24/7. It's not sustainable in any way. Ideally you'd have 8 big (tier 1) tournaments a year and 2 majors (room for a month break after each major). This way TO's can actually build more content and storylines and each tournament feels like it matters instead of 'we'll get another chance next week'.
2020-12-03 22:44
1 reply
I 100% agree with the tournament circuit being too much as-is and that is a whole other discussion. So I would say whatever the world cup would look like, it would need to be in place of something, not additional. So this is why it would need to be every 2+ years and it would need to be organized by Valve so there were no other tournaments going on. This would give it emphasis and prestige and make it an honor to be selected to represent your country. Top tier players wouldn't be trying to get out of it, they would be trying to get in it! It would change the entire image of the tournament.
2020-12-03 23:11
It would be for one tournament! and it would be a fun way to mix things up to create some interesting stuff. would be a great time!
2020-12-03 20:22
Jks Alistair Dexter INS Malta would win ez
2020-12-02 19:17
1 reply
#230
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Sweden axelious
No Azr then?
2020-12-02 21:44
i dont think it should be country based, just team based since it would be better competition and higher ceilings. get like the top16 teams in the world and do a double elim bo3 settings like the current DH / ESL events
2020-12-03 15:13
6 replies
#235
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Sweden axelious
But that's like the regular major then? :o
2020-12-03 19:30
2 replies
yeah i think it would be better
2020-12-03 19:31
1 reply
#237
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Sweden axelious
Yea, well I want a normal major too. Not one or the other
2020-12-03 19:31
so...a major point of a world cup is it mixes up players so you get to see people who aren't usually playing with/against each other. And you select the best players for a given team. Wouldn't you like to see the top 5 american players team up for one tournament?
2020-12-03 20:19
2 replies
no but i mean like the best 16 teams without minors or lower tier region invites. im talking about a true best 16 teams, with analysts and pros agreeing on the 16 best (unbiased look at them)
2020-12-03 20:31
1 reply
ok - but that's really just a revision to the Major concept. The World Cup concept would be totally different.
2020-12-03 20:33
4/8 no k0nfig? no grim?
2020-12-03 19:35
would be awsome
2020-12-03 19:36
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India sid76820
Instead of having countries they should probably have regions in some cases for eg the balkans. denmark, usa, russia etc are fine as they are. + its a very good idea since at least certain regions like maybe mine will get to play with tier 1 regions
2020-12-03 19:38
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Sweden axelious
That would actually be a good idea, that some designated regions can play as a region! Then we would have alot of competetive teams!
2020-12-03 20:49
Actually this is a cool idea
2020-12-03 20:16
It will never happen. Valve does not give a fuck about csgo, and never will. Gaben has said that it will never have crowd funded events because he doesn't want it to compete with dota. It's time for cs players to realize that valve will never do anything like this. Valve cares about skin money. Other than that they couldn't care less.
2020-12-03 21:18
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Sweden axelious
The sad part is that they don't realise they would make so much more money of they cared for the game. :(
2020-12-03 23:36
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That's definitely true. I think that they don't care because they already make such an insane amount off of steam that csgo is just a drop in the bucket for them. That and since valve devs are allowed to work on whatever they want causes csgo to just be an afterthought. It's too bad because cs hasn't got the attention that it deserves since 2015.
2020-12-04 08:06
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