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BECOMING PRO DOESN'T REQUIRE 14 HOUR GRIND (PART 1)
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United States cowboy_noah 
If there is a single subject in Esports that is focused on the most, but also feared the most, it's burnout. It's that thing that haunts every pro's thoughts. One year a player could be considered the hottest upcoming talent, the next, a fluke. The lingering question is why? Fans, casters, players, and thread dwellers alike would agree a young uprising star that fell off after a year was just simply... not ready. But how? That 18 19 year old kid has been playing this game for 2-3 years. They grinded FPL-C, qualified for FPL, rated A in ESEA, PUGs with the pros, top frags with the pros (even without calling "B-rOtaTiOn" before knife round is even over), but still when they get thrown into a pro BO3 with a good lineup around him he falls short. Why why why?! In my personal and debatable opinion its the hours that player put in. "Wait 12-14 hours a day is not enough?!!?!" No I tell you, it's TOO MUCH. I've in the midst of an experiment of my own. Can I be better having a strict balanced diet, meal, family time, outside walks, SLEEP, and gaming? Anyone that has been passionate about getting better at a video game (in my case CSGO) has definitely spent days, especially school breaks, playing 12-18 hours a DAY. An hour or two practicing listening to a podcast or some music, then queueing nonstop match after match is considered a "grind". Players grind 12-14 hours a day on average to get better at their game. After a day I feel burnout, angered if there was a few bad games, but willing to do it over again the next day. It's all a part of getting better, right? Well I know we have all seen articles on burnout, having a balanced day, and the amount of hours put into practice. Every article preaches having a healthy and balanced schedule, for example: cbsn.ws/3qn9JBJ (its a good watch highly recommend), with this in mind, I still don't practice these methods... well until now. I have been doing a bit of an experiment. I chose my Thanksgiving and Christmas breaks as the times it is being conducted. During my Thanksgiving Break I played Counter Strike for 12-18 hours a day for 4 days in a row. My results were nothing to what I predicted. I played from 6 in the morning to midnight. Go to sleep then do it over again. Each morning i put in 2 hours of practice, this includes aim maps, deathmatch, and for practicing my decision making, retake servers & csgo casual. I played roughly 14-16 hours a day. So the hours went like this. 6 hours of sleep, average of 16 hours of gaming, average of 2 hours not gaming. The non gaming hours consisted of cutting down Christmas tree, getting my hair cut, and running arons. My highest day was 18 hours, lowest was 12. For these 4 days I played 60% Free & Premium Faceit, 30% MM and 10% practice. Now some uncontrollable variables were who I queued with and if I queued with someone at all. *IN FACEIT* I won 90% of the games I queued with two or more people. A solid 75% won queued with just one other person. I won 50% of the games I played solo. Something interesting about the solo queue was that after the first two days I started losing those solo queue matches. That was one of the things that surprised me the most. I won 90% of my MM matches. The 10% I lost was only some unfortunate solo queues with horrible teammates. After reviewing all my results from the 4 days of the first part of the experiment, I've seen that as the days go by, my performance dropped with the AWP. My sniper rifle accuracy rate per match went from 85% to %50. My Rifle accuracy per match raised from 24% to 50% (ON FACEIT) (I HAVE NO STATS FOR THOSE ON MM BUT I ASSUME THEY ARE SIMILAR). Something else is that I had absolutely no motivation to stream and make videos. This surprised me the very most because making videos is something I can say I almost love more than CSGO. so not even wanting to attempt to make any videos over my 3 different projects I've started (Warzone Trolling, Holdfast Highlights, for example). In conclusion for Part One my performance for playing 12-18 hours a day for 4 days spiked in decrease after day 2. Part Two of the experient will be submitted on HLTV forums on December 31st. During Christmas I will have a balance to my schedule. I'll be going on daily walks, healthy food, and only having 2 or less sugary drinks, but still sleeping for 6 hours just not immediatly getting up and gaming. On YouTube I will release a single video over the two parts. Thank you for reading, be on the lookout for Part 2 or the conclusion on YouTube. So what do yall think the outcome will be? Thanks!
2020-12-02 20:27
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Jordan Zereeni
tldr
2020-12-02 20:28
14 replies
I encourage you to skim through
2020-12-02 20:30
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Jordan Zereeni
okay I will
2020-12-02 20:32
3 replies
or you could #11
2020-12-02 20:33
tldr?
2020-12-02 20:34
1 reply
Too Long Didn't Read
2020-12-02 20:34
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Sweden quacke
Very tough to skim through when there are no line breaks. Can't read this, sorry.
2020-12-02 21:08
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2020-12-02 21:13
1 reply
Srs? xD
2020-12-02 22:36
Lmao no one is going to read this kinda wall of text, thats quite literally impossible to skim through. Maybe consider going to school instead of grinding too much cs since you have no idea how to write.
2020-12-02 22:35
4 replies
why is it that the Finnish are the most toxic
2020-12-02 22:37
3 replies
Obviously you got something going on in here that you're putting effort into. So why are you fucking it up with this horrible writing? I literally couldnt even write something like this because its a fucking mess. You want as much recognition as possible, right? This writing isn't serving the purpose at all. 90% of hltv'ers that might be interested in this walk away the second they open this thread.
2020-12-02 22:51
2 replies
ok
2020-12-02 23:08
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Finland Jomppeboi
ok
2020-12-02 20:28
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Estonia whosmans
dont you learn to space your writing into paragraphs in american school???
2020-12-02 20:29
13 replies
Yes, but I didn't format it to work as a multi-paragraph essay
2020-12-02 20:31
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Estonia whosmans
then you cant expect people to read it if you aren't willing to put in the extra effort to make it legible
2020-12-02 20:33
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2020-12-02 20:33
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#22
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Estonia whosmans
cba to do that if you aren't presenting coherent writing
2020-12-02 20:34
9 replies
the writing and grammar is excellent
2020-12-02 20:35
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#26
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Estonia whosmans
impossible if you aren't properly formatting your work
2020-12-02 20:37
7 replies
you can still put it into a text to speech /close
2020-12-02 20:38
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#75
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Russia SW@G_2
how hard is it to press enter twice when starting new idea lol
2020-12-02 21:18
5 replies
1 idea
2020-12-02 21:24
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#86
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Russia SW@G_2
an essay on why global warming is bad also has one idea. You are actively defending a point in which you are mistaken. Also, grammar is not excellent in your post and the writing is confusing. You are constantly mixing "him" and "they"; " I've in the midst of an experiment of my own."(???) and that was only from the very beginning of your block of text. tldr not a well written post
2020-12-02 21:31
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Germany ske0
+1 from Jermany
2020-12-02 22:33
"him" and "they" refering to a or any pro cs player ?
2020-12-02 22:35
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Brazil tucabrum
this feels like staring at those rocks with ancient text that you cannot read
2020-12-02 20:30
4 replies
copy and paste it into a text to speech
2020-12-02 20:31
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Estonia brainrot
no i dont think i will
2020-12-02 20:34
kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
2020-12-02 20:44
+1 LMAO
2020-12-02 22:25
i arent read that
2020-12-02 20:31
1 reply
2020-12-02 20:31
is this even real
2020-12-02 20:31
1 reply
yes, i really am taking one for the boys, RIP my eyes
2020-12-02 20:34
tldr
2020-12-02 20:31
1 reply
2020-12-02 20:33
ok and your point is?
2020-12-02 20:31
2 replies
Can a healthy balance of gaming and physical health result in better performance than grinding for 12-18 hours.
2020-12-02 20:33
1 reply
TY
2020-12-02 21:10
part 1????????
2020-12-02 20:37
3 replies
I can't wait for part 2!
2020-12-02 20:39
1 reply
haha if you really mean it thank you
2020-12-02 20:40
read or #11 and you'll see its only part 1 of the experiment
2020-12-02 20:39
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CIS Michael_R7
gl bro
2020-12-02 20:40
1 reply
Thank you mens)))
2020-12-02 20:41
#34
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Canada RelayS
Who gon read this?!
2020-12-02 20:42
1 reply
people who care. I encourage you to skim through though! or just #11
2020-12-02 20:44
i read it, 8/8 gl for the next experiment)))
2020-12-02 20:46
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Thank you! be on the lookout for part 2 or the YouTube video
2020-12-02 20:47
yes, good thread mens :D i may repost having separated your paragraphs to make it legible, i will credit you ofc mens))
2020-12-02 20:46
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I give you no permission to copy and past it as a thread, BUT if you want to sum it up what Ive done so far or after part two and post about it with credits to my acc, threads, or YouTube video you're more than welcome
2020-12-02 20:49
#39
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Russia NOD777
4 days wow. You tried the best than others! So full, objectively and non based information I ever read. Remember me when you get to the top
2020-12-02 20:46
2 replies
NOD777 has been added to my notes of the ones that got me here bruddah
2020-12-02 20:48
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Russia NOD777
My prediction: you will fail or will have insignificant improvements like 5-10%. I will tell what’s wrong afterwards if you don’t forget to ping me
2020-12-02 20:51
This would have been a nice blog post but unfortunately HLTV removed them :((
2020-12-02 20:46
1 reply
Yeah maybe HLTV will bump this for me lmao
2020-12-02 20:47
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Austria faklaf
very interesting read and i am looking forward to the 2nd part! 😎
2020-12-02 20:46
1 reply
thank you mens)))
2020-12-02 20:47
You know, maybe you're right. I definitely see your point of view and it's quite understandable. Guess I'll try a reschedule to see how it goes.
2020-12-02 20:48
3 replies
Don't make any changes yet, wait till I do 4 days of a healthy balance, grind just might be better for others too.
2020-12-02 20:52
2 replies
Let me know then. I've been doing the typical few hours grind and I just can't perform on MM at my best.
2020-12-02 20:56
1 reply
I gotcha
2020-12-02 21:07
Very interesting, from my experience I can relate as when I play a lot my AWP accuracy drops and my rifle accuracy rises, so this is very accurate imo
2020-12-02 20:49
5 replies
Yes I found that really weird
2020-12-02 20:53
4 replies
Do you happen to play on high sensitivity?
2020-12-02 20:58
3 replies
Yes-ish 400 Dpi with an in game sense of 1, AWP .70
2020-12-02 21:08
2 replies
I'm sorry to break it to you but that's considered super low hahaha
2020-12-02 21:29
Thats insanely low actually unless you have high windows sens. I'm playing 800dpi and 0.8 sens and even that requires over 30cm to do 180 lol
2020-12-02 23:00
I arent read that
2020-12-02 20:49
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2020-12-02 20:53
Good luck mate. But to be honest, I don't think that healthy food will show its results on such short term. If you can, try start eating healthy now. And a exercise routine as well. If you can save my nick to warn me when you post part2, I appreciate.
2020-12-02 20:53
3 replies
Yes, I think you can subscribe to my account on HLTV? If not wait for youtube video
2020-12-02 20:57
2 replies
Will fav when home.
2020-12-02 20:58
1 reply
Thanks
2020-12-02 21:08
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Germany Effizienz
tldr
2020-12-02 20:56
1 reply
2020-12-02 20:57
This sounds like a very interesting experiment. Looking forward to part 2. Good luck.
2020-12-02 20:58
1 reply
Thank you!
2020-12-02 21:08
TLDR but I agree, and I definitely think that 5-6 HOURS A DAY CONSISTENTLY is enough for someone to become a pro
2020-12-02 21:05
3 replies
#11 if you need to but my friend read this In a good 5 minutes
2020-12-02 21:09
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why sleep for 6 hours instead of 8?
2020-12-02 21:17
Also depends on the talent and will to improve obviously...some could easily be pros but dont put in that one extra hour, for some u wouldnt think that they can make it but they make up for the lack of pure skill for example by putting im these extra hours while being fully focused, blamef is propably the best example
2020-12-02 21:19
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Asia loveall
Can't wait to read other parts.
2020-12-02 21:11
1 reply
I think just 1 more part unless I make part 3 just for conclusion
2020-12-02 21:15
Decent experiment! Good luck on part 2, remember to stay healthy, even if ur performance doesnt improve on part 2 compared to part 1, u will most likely feel better over all when playing less and focusing a bit on other things like health, videos etc. Etc. I think its a hard topic cz 10 hour gaming days have become pretty normal for professionals, problem in a year lile this is the small amount of off days cz there are bo3s everyday, u gotta prepare for those while still practising and implementing new stuff to not get read too easily. I believe that it is possible to get towards a pro level with less than 16 hours a day, i think it takes more hours to maintain ur level and constantly improve and stay in shape AS a professional player competing in high tier opposition! So i would say most important thing to be consistently good is putting in enough dedicated hours where u really are into it but also have a healthy life balance to remain on top of the world, such as working out, focusing on diet, catching as much fresh air and family time or time with friends u can get while still not getting stressed out!
2020-12-02 21:17
1 reply
+1 thanks mens)))
2020-12-02 21:22
0/8
2020-12-02 21:20
1 reply
Why?
2020-12-02 21:22
#81
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United States xiquo
if you want to be pro just come to NA and play mdl. im sure it would be ez rn.
2020-12-02 21:24
1 reply
since the top MDL teams are now in DH and ESL now is a better time than ever to get a team goin
2020-12-02 22:09
#82
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Europe Ufasas
trve, good read, i grind less then after this, maybe 6-8 hours, still bad sleep, no job, and bad diet
2020-12-02 21:25
1 reply
+goodsleep +nobreakfeast +water>sugarydrinks then youre good
2020-12-02 22:10
I think 6 hours of sleep is unsustainable and likely going to reduce your performance, and possibly reduce the size of any changes in performance you witness between method 1 and method 2. I would recommend 7 hours of sleep at least. Additionally, spending 2 hours on prac and 12 hours on matches is an abysmal ratio, I would recommend at least DM'ing/Aim_botzing/whatever for at least half as long as you pug, since that is what most players who are 'grinding' do. The thing about spending so much on pugs is that you're going to be spending roughly 3 hours of those pugs, either dead, waiting to throw utility in an execute, or doing some such things that aren't playing the game. Lots of down time, and not much important experience to be gained from them since you aren't analyzing your demos anywhere. And furthermore, back to back pugs will 100% cause a dip in performance, no one can play for a high level after 5 continuous maps and I don't see any indication at all of even the slightest break. I understand you want to show a difference between methods, but you need to give yourself a 10 minuter here and there just walking around or something. in conclusion: 7/8 on effort, I think it will provide useful information, will check out your yt if you link it. 4/8 on method, there's just a lot of things I don't see working out here.
2020-12-02 21:26
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Im used to 6 hours of sleep everyday since 6th grade (I live on a farm). i like finding a better ratio of prac to pug, maybe not 50/50 but definitely not 10/90. Analyzing demos goes under prac, I do it and look at scope.gg even tho i didn't list it. I get the couple extra hours for some minutes in between. yeah there's a lot of uncontrollable variables and certain ones that could work for me VS others. Thanks!
2020-12-02 22:14
#144
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Europe Ufasas
nah, if you forget to put alarm, you will sleep as much as you need to recover tiredness, plus productivity every game changes, some maps demotivate, some motivate
2020-12-03 01:13
did you not attend middle school? you know they teach you to divide a wall of text into paragraphs containing their own topics for this very reason. 0/8 didn't read
2020-12-02 21:28
4 replies
dont need your toxicity, but I didn't format it to work as a multi-paragraph essay
2020-12-02 22:14
3 replies
keep telling yourself that
2020-12-02 22:33
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2020-12-03 02:16
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nice
2020-12-03 02:22
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Russia Jet1k
ever heard of spacing out paragraphs? na education makes me so pepehands bro
2020-12-02 21:32
1 reply
Yes, but I didn't format it to work as a multi-paragraph essay. NA edu is good. I dare you to go look for spelling and grammatical errors. My writing is what my counselor is sending to colleges as a part of my resume, and yes they do have spacing. This is also a thread not a book report.
2020-12-02 22:16
i ill wait for part 2
2020-12-02 21:41
1 reply
thank you!
2020-12-02 22:16
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Russia xtkjdtr001
N1 Burnout is definitely a thing Everytime i start to play much dota (not cs but still) its always the same: slow start with wr about 33% - losing the sense of anything except my own game and winning like 7/10 games - now victory is not even valuable, i dont really need it so its ok if ill throw a bit - oopsie, i forgot how to lose and i should stop or ill lose even more than i gained - the end Gl with part 2
2020-12-02 21:57
1 reply
thanks men!
2020-12-02 22:17
Mate press enter once in a while jesus NA education
2020-12-02 22:10
12 replies
Yes, but I didn't format it to work as a multi-paragraph essay. NA edu is good. I dare you to go look for spelling and grammatical errors. My writing is what my counselor is sending to colleges as a part of my resume, and yes they do have spacing. This is also a thread not a book report.
2020-12-02 22:17
10 replies
Nobody cares about grammatical errors what I do care about is formatting This shit is painful to read such a mess
2020-12-02 22:19
9 replies
2020-12-02 22:19
2 replies
I remember much worse when listening than reading
2020-12-02 22:20
1 reply
5 mins read tops if youre fluent in english bud
2020-12-02 22:21
"Man press enter once in a while jesus NA education" *proceeds to reply* "What do I care about formatting"
2020-12-02 22:20
5 replies
Bruh you cant even read hahahaha NA education
2020-12-02 22:21
4 replies
we dont say mate, thats just cringe
2020-12-02 22:21
3 replies
?????? Dude what are you even on about We dont say cringe thats just cringe
2020-12-02 22:24
2 replies
here is my virtual facepalm /close /open please dont reply again /close
2020-12-02 22:25
1 reply
Taking into account the fact this is coming from the guy that cant even read I dont care much MATE hahahha
2020-12-02 22:28
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2020-12-03 02:17
Burnout is so bad I'm low skill faceit lvl3 gold nova 1, but i was playing like 8 hours, i'm stopping like 2 weeks (6th day), i'll be back to play day 10, i will cheer to have more attention on game details, i was just playing with aim, no attentino
2020-12-02 22:15
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Japan tatsumi
do you play with friends
2020-12-02 22:17
+1 hopefully you get better!
2020-12-02 22:18
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Japan tatsumi
ive been playing like 6 hours a day lately this weekend ima try waking up early and playing for like 12 or so
2020-12-02 22:17
1 reply
nice
2020-12-02 22:18
wow wtf is this book??
2020-12-02 22:19
1 reply
No just thread, could be tho...
2020-12-02 22:19
the main difference between pros and the casuals is talent and hard work.
2020-12-02 22:22
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trying to find what your point is... Im not casual and the people Im describing are not either as I stated, "Anyone that has been passionate about getting better at a video game (in my case CSGO) has definitely spent days, especially school breaks, playing 12-18 hours a DAY."
2020-12-02 22:23
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they didnt.
2020-12-02 23:18
I have a theory that, to be EFFECTIVELY good at CSGO, your practice should be divided in four non-equal modes. - Aim training: preferably outside CSGO (Kovaaks or similar). Raw aim stuff like tracking, flicking, microadjustment. - Game mechanics (including aiming IN CSGO): movement, spray control, etc. - Knowledge: videos, tutorials, revising your own demos or pro players, etc. - And of course, to play the fucking game. With your skill level rising, you would need more of one thing and less than other. The obvious one is less Kovaaks and more default grenades and shit. Yes, you can git gud only by playing, starting green as a legit Silver and reach FPL, but would it be quicker than my suggested split? And of course I don't do that and I suck at CSGO.
2020-12-02 22:26
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Your idea is good. Great template for a tutorial on how to get good as well.
2020-12-02 22:27
First page of the book successfully completed CONGRATZ
2020-12-02 22:30
1 reply
lmao
2020-12-02 22:31
Your conclusion is supported by 4 days of testing??? hahahahahhaha Gtfo here dudeee Do this for a month and see the results oh whaat you didnt win 90% what a surprise
2020-12-02 22:31
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I have no conclusion, good reading skills! -Finnish Education-
2020-12-02 22:32
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BECOMING PRO DOESN'T REQUIRE 14 HOUR GRIND
2020-12-02 23:04
4 replies
That's the hypothesis but nt
2020-12-03 13:38
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Lmao did you become pro? Thought so. Tell me when you become pro using this method then I will accept this dumb logic of yours. You did not prove your hypothesis, you didnt even test it nobody becomes pro in 4 days wake up mate. Pointless thread dont bother making part 2 Facts dont care about your feelings
2020-12-03 22:10
2 replies
-1 for uncontrollable malding
2020-12-04 13:19
1 reply
no arguments expected from low iq NA kid
2020-12-04 13:22
didnt read
2020-12-02 22:35
maybe you should practice writing instead
2020-12-02 22:54
1 reply
yeah I went into word and set in in paragraphs. I wrote it in the thread and didnt think to paraphrase.
2020-12-03 01:53
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Turkey kannore
no chance i read that
2020-12-02 23:02
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yeah I went into word and set in in paragraphs. I wrote it in the thread and didnt think to paraphrase.
2020-12-03 01:53
#138
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Turkey YusteRR
yes
2020-12-02 23:05
If you paragraph ED it there would be some small chance that I would read this but nt
2020-12-02 23:07
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yeah I went into word and set in in paragraphs. I wrote it in the thread and didnt think to paraphrase.
2020-12-03 01:53
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Bulgaria goshyy
I remember during quarantine I played with my previous team and we set some extremely unrealistic goals, at some points we would play from morning till night thinking that its healthy and having that much tactical approach and then a break and practice will make us play better together (it technically did because we were all definitely on the same page) but the problem with that was that it was just too much, after a few months it led to a lot of problems because people were starting with their own issues (wanting to spend time with family and friends and getting bored of CS) I stuck with the team and CS right up until the end and I can tell you that now practicing for 3-4 hours 6 days a week is far better than playing for 12 hours a day, yes you improve slower but it doesn't fuck you up mentally that much, I didn't touch CS for 4-5 months after that and only came back around 2 months ago and I feel better now but unless I am in a professional team where I get paid to play this game I am never ruining my enjoyment towards this game like that :D Also I completely agree with you and can't wait until part 2!
2020-12-02 23:08
1 reply
Wow really interesting. Glad to see you're healthy! Thanks
2020-12-03 01:52
good read but pro tip: please spit it into paragraphs so its easier to read.
2020-12-02 23:13
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thanks, yeah I went into word and set in in paragraphs. I wrote it in the thread and didnt think to paraphrase.
2020-12-03 01:45
Nice read. Send the second part to me, and I will paragraph it and make it easier to read, if you like :)
2020-12-03 01:23
3 replies
yeah I went into word and set in in paragraphs. I wrote it in the thread and didnt think to paraphrase.
2020-12-03 01:45
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2020-12-03 02:17
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I didn't complain. I just wanted to give you my help for next time, if you would like it.
2020-12-03 02:25
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Singapore Am2de
This reminds me of LOL pro Wunder
2020-12-03 01:51
4 replies
what, did he grind a lot and became burnt out?
2020-12-03 01:54
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#154
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Singapore Am2de
no. Opposite. He is one of the best top laner in the world. He plays solo queue very rarely (like 5-6 matches per week). Most of the time he is playing WoW In Lol generally, you are supposed to grind solo queue daily. It's probably due to Korean and Chinese culture. Korean and Chinese players grind like mad. Some of them even left game because of burnt out/bad health.
2020-12-03 01:56
2 replies
Oh, interesting, so he practices similar to part 2 of my experiment?
2020-12-03 01:58
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#157
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Singapore Am2de
2020-12-03 02:14
Nutty experiment my dude
2020-12-03 02:07
1 reply
Lol thanks!
2020-12-05 14:00
You're welcome
2020-12-03 02:25
#168
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Korea kaiske
4 days is not enough to see results for a routine
2020-12-03 13:42
1 reply
I think it’s a good place to start
2020-12-05 14:00
#169
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Australia Cheesle2
8/8 i can relate
2020-12-03 13:50
1 reply
TY
2020-12-05 14:00
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