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#2
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Bosnia and Herzegovina Foxxeh
hard to get impact when u always bait, only "impact" from mutli frag rounds :crying_laughing_emoji:
2020-12-03 17:04
27 replies
+1
2020-12-03 17:08
+1
2020-12-03 17:19
i think you mean hard to get impact/clutches when team die and you have to win a 1v5/4/3. But yeah he prob gets most impact from multikill rounds.
2020-12-03 17:21
8 replies
You know how you avoid that problem?Ask Zywoo.I think he'd reply with "I play entry,go in get a kill or two and get traded."
2020-12-03 17:52
6 replies
so once s1mple dead you think the other 4 bots are going to win the round. Please use brain next time.
2020-12-03 18:08
4 replies
If Vitality players can do it you think players like electronic and perfecto cant?It's all about how much space you make for your own team,not just multifraging 2 and saying "I killed 2 now you do the rest".
2020-12-03 18:18
2 replies
but flamie and boombl4 are complete bots fragging wise and boombl4 has terrible strats, while apex/misutaaa > flamie/boombl4 and apex/xtqzzz combined have very good strats zywoo is amazing but it is true that he has more help
2020-12-03 18:46
+1
2020-12-04 11:35
the have multiple top20 player in the rooster. call electronic bot is hard stuff
2020-12-04 11:34
+1, he always play for the team..
2020-12-03 19:07
zywho has much more 1v4/5 clutches than s0mple despite being an entry fragger wdym
2020-12-03 18:19
#63
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France pol44r
+1 NO ENTRY FRAG LULW
2020-12-03 18:07
8 replies
hltv.org/stats/players/openingkills?star.. There's literally a 0.01 opening kills per round difference between the 2, doesn't matter which filter you choose. And on T-side, against Top5 teams, s1mple's 1st.
2020-12-03 18:38
7 replies
That is true but look at that Attempts column on T-side. s1mple does it much less and is only slightly more successful so you can argue that if you do it much less then you're mostly taking favourable duels while ZywOo also does those harder ones. On CT they are similar (s1mple ahead). Overall s1mple isn't close to entry on T-side for Na'vi as Electronic and Boombl4 do it much more and you can check that easily. ZywOo is doing it the most on Vitality which isn't ideal for The Star of the team IMO.
2020-12-03 18:56
3 replies
I agree. The reason is, s1mple uses the AWP more than ZywOo, on T-side. It's not advisable to be a "permanent entry" with AWP, because then you have to adjust aim and hit the 1st shot. If you miss, 6500-7000 dollars of total investment is gone. Even if you kill a player, you'd be traded, and the loss is more on your side. Thus, not worth it. AWPers do indeed entry, when the spawn is favourable (Like Long spawn on D2), or if it's a specific strat, that requires the AWPer to go 1st. Otherwise, primary riflers are the permanent entries. Now, why s1mple uses the AWP more than Zywoo? Because Navi has no other decent option for a consistent AWPer. Only other option is flamie and he is crap. Navi doesn't have a Shox/Nivera, who can AWP relatively decently. On CT side, both of them AWP equally. But s1mple is the constant CT rotator (unlike an anchor like Zywoo), keeps moving between A and B, depending on enemy info, and is usually the one to take 1st contact with enemies, and get kills. Taking contact against aggressive T's, is tactically advantageous for an AWPer. That's why his CT side rating is high.
2020-12-03 19:05
2 replies
I can get behind that for sure. Just find it funny that people still don't see how much ZywOo entries on T-side and even call him a baiter. Though, I don't fully agree that the reason is that Vitality have a decent snipers. They had no Nivera for most of the year so that can't be the sole reason and shox awps mostly on CT-side and very rarely on T-side. So while they had slightly better option I don't believe that was the sole reason. Vitality just plays differently on T-side IMO and that makes ZywOo more of a rifle/entry guy. I don't want s1mple to run an die for no reason but I'm tiered of the narration he is that aggressive nowadays - you can clearly see how much his T-side entry usage has gone down year after year. One thing s1mple is better than ZywOo and on consistent basis is for sure fragging. He just does it in every round it feels like. ZywOo sometimes just gets a round when team wins it for him. In the last final ZywOo had only 4 eco frags and 7 when Na'vi was forcing. The rest of the team did clean up that. s1mple had much more fragging cause he had that 16 eco and 13 vs force frags. In the buy rounds they were closer than people realized but still s1mple was overall better in the final IMO. Just seems weird to me how people didn't caught up to the fact they really are playing quite different on the T-side (s1mple and ZywOo).
2020-12-03 19:18
1 reply
+1 Agreed. Have a nice day :)
2020-12-03 19:21
#150
RpK | 
France pol44r
Opening kills=/="entry" frag Top of opening kills are mostly awpers
2020-12-04 13:48
2 replies
??? Opening kills *are* entry frags. What do you mean by they aren't equal? Opening kill refers to the 1st kill of the round, because it opens the round and gives entry to the killer's team. And your analysis is wrong in saying that opening kills is because of AWP. It's because, usually the best players in a team are the ones who use the AWP more (traditionally). The reason is, you trust the costliest and most powerful gun in the game, with your best players.
2020-12-04 15:33
1 reply
#164
RpK | 
France pol44r
i mean "entry" as the guy who goes in first....... the role in himself
2020-12-04 17:47
can you understand word "slightly"?
2020-12-03 19:28
5 replies
#131
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Bosnia and Herzegovina Foxxeh
slightly what?
2020-12-03 19:31
4 replies
Zywoo has "SLIGHTLY" better impact ratio at the moment. Read at least before you post shit
2020-12-03 19:31
3 replies
#135
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Bosnia and Herzegovina Foxxeh
why so mad p1mple fan?
2020-12-03 19:33
2 replies
where am I mad? you cannot even read properly ))))
2020-12-03 20:00
1 reply
#139
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Bosnia and Herzegovina Foxxeh
CRY MORE LMAO!
2020-12-03 20:04
#161
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Japan tatsumi
+1
2020-12-04 14:36
How do they even determine impactness
2020-12-03 17:04
4 replies
multikills, opening kills and clutches
2020-12-03 17:05
opening kills, clutches and multifrags
2020-12-03 17:06
2 replies
clutches, multikills, opening kills
2020-12-03 17:55
1 reply
, , and multikills openning kills clutches
2020-12-03 18:01
if rating tied but zywoo's impact is higher, it means that s1mple got better somewhere else than zywoo
2020-12-03 17:06
28 replies
#10
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Denmark Yikesslol
what? hahahaha
2020-12-03 17:09
8 replies
does rating includes impact or not?
2020-12-03 17:11
7 replies
#16
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Denmark Yikesslol
Rating and Impact are 2 different things
2020-12-03 17:12
6 replies
then maybe I'm wrong, I thought rating includes multiple things, like Impact, KPR, DPR, KAST etc.
2020-12-03 17:14
3 replies
#31
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Norway N3sHie1k
check comment under mine
2020-12-03 17:30
2 replies
already saw
2020-12-03 17:31
1 reply
#33
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Norway N3sHie1k
ok
2020-12-03 17:31
Ahh no. You are wrong. hltv.org/news/20695/introducing-rating-2.. Rating 2.0 includes everything.
2020-12-03 17:19
1 reply
nice
2020-12-03 17:34
That's just obvious maths, yeah.
2020-12-03 17:11
better at baiting i guess
2020-12-03 17:14
7 replies
LOL
2020-12-03 17:37
#85
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Russia typalCraZy
silly hater, as always.
2020-12-03 18:33
4 replies
flag checks out
2020-12-03 18:38
3 replies
Are you xeno?)
2020-12-03 18:46
I am not s1mple's fan, but I actually think that he is a great player. And I think that he will get top 1 2020
2020-12-03 18:48
Pro players are respecting s1mple and ZywOo as strong opponents, stupid viewers are talking about "baiting" and "luck". Sure, you know better, gold nova...
2020-12-03 18:52
lol
2020-12-03 19:33
s1mple has higher kd, but since his kills have lower impact, their ratings are the same
2020-12-03 17:45
higher kd and kpr but impact matters more
2020-12-03 17:53
higher kd XAXAXAXAXA
2020-12-03 18:16
OMG s1mple fans so braindead that now we have to hear is that s1mple is better than zywoo in some skills which is not even known
2020-12-03 18:25
3 replies
I mean some hltv specifical stats
2020-12-03 18:27
2 replies
And you don't even know which or even if there is some still you will brag about it?????
2020-12-03 18:28
1 reply
Nobody is bragging, but it's obviously there. Else, maths won't check out. And the answer is more KDR, and more multi-kill rounds than ZywOo.
2020-12-03 18:43
lmao, 100000IQ
2020-12-03 19:09
either a 65 iq bait or 65 iq opinion.
2020-12-04 13:57
1 reply
its just obvious math because rating 2.0 consists of values of Impact, KPR, DPR, KAST etc. for example Impact 1.4 KAST 70% > Impact 1.1 KAST 70% but Impact 1.3 KAST 90% = 1.4 KAST 70%
2020-12-04 14:05
zywoo/s1mple discussion is over only blind s0mple fangirls actually think he's better zywoo is better, more skilled and way better mentality
2020-12-03 17:06
17 replies
and wwwwwwwwwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay much better as a teamplayer. g0d s0mple not even close to him in this way.
2020-12-03 17:09
#13
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Denmark Yikesslol
People can still have opinions :)
2020-12-03 17:10
1 reply
Agree on that.I think Zywoo nr 1 rn but everyone can feel free to disagree.
2020-12-03 17:53
careful dude, you are trigerring : I_BUMP_OLD_THREADS Nt_NoScene(danish) Ramza72
2020-12-03 17:16
From the way you say it, it appears you despise difference of opinion, and just as strongly support s1mple not being the best, as the so-called "blind fans" support him as the best. There's a subtle point here, and it just makes you look equally bad. Mutual respect of opinions, is the key :)
2020-12-03 17:17
8 replies
lol who cares? it's already known zywoo will be top1 at the end of the year. I still remember at start of the year zywoo was barely top10 and everyone (especially navi fangirls) bashed the fuck out of him saying his top1 2019 was a mistake, now they are crying, unluko
2020-12-03 17:24
6 replies
Ahh, the classic mentality of stooping down to the level of losers, just because they made the retarded comments first. Good Going. Hope it takes you far in life.
2020-12-03 17:42
4 replies
damn right, sorry your idol won't be top1
2020-12-03 17:44
3 replies
Can't you see the irony here? :D This isn't a law of physics or a geometrical fact, that you are right. It's a very subjective thing, while judging two persons. You cling on so strongly to your opinions, and say that the others who cling on strongly to theirs, are retarded? It's funny that you think s1mple is my idol, lol. Further proves that you are incapable of having an open mind, or even perceptible to others' respectful opinions. I was trying to help you out, but it seems you would rather attack me now. All right then. Have a nice day :)
2020-12-03 17:51
2 replies
cya hick
2020-12-03 17:48
#96
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United States fowlyz
I wouldn't listen to him bro. I'm pretty sure he's one of those delusional 10 yo kids that think they are always right no matter what and everyone else is wrong.
2020-12-03 18:41
Wasn't that the time when alex left and vitality had to rebuild as apex igl & new player ?
2020-12-03 18:42
+1, give it to him!
2020-12-03 17:28
though i still don't understand why ppl are arguing over the two best players in CS scene rn on who's slightly better like why should give a fuck lol just enjoy their plays and especially their match-ups? but this isnt a comment i should be adressing to a baiter cuz ur just tired of delusional navi fans and i understand that. still this is a pretty pathetic excuse to bait
2020-12-03 17:50
#59
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Korea ramza72
WHY WE CARE??? ITS JUST A STAT NUMBER BUT THE TRUTH MOST SKILLED AND BETTER IS S1MPLE
2020-12-03 17:57
they're just fan... they like their player and will always support him and this is a good thing #53 said it all and I think people should stop fighting over s1mple/zywoo stats... s1mple is a legendary player and zywoo is probably the best player right now while playing for 2 years
2020-12-03 17:58
True
2020-12-03 18:31
2020-12-03 17:09
#11
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United States ShawnM
okay how about this so people dont attack each other s1mple = zywoo but it depends on the day who's better
2020-12-03 17:09
2020-12-03 17:18
1 reply
thats 1.0 rating which hltv doesnt use anymore in top20
2020-12-03 17:20
#22
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Kazakhstan y2o99
hltv confirmed
2020-12-03 17:18
zywoo is a bot who eats baguettes
2020-12-03 17:24
1 reply
really le fun
2020-12-04 18:14
nt
2020-12-03 17:30
I love how s1mple fans just claimed he was the best due to the series they played against each other. I like Thorin but he did the same and often discredits Zywoo's claim to #1 because he thinks s1mple is better which I disagree.
2020-12-03 17:33
16 replies
#41
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Algeria LOBYA6AJIN
how can you take that autist seriously, he is irrelevent to anybody who has a brain tbh
2020-12-03 17:39
1 reply
+1
2020-12-03 19:28
Zywoo fans do the same, but alot more trashing so whats your point
2020-12-03 17:39
10 replies
Not excusing some of them, but that wasn't who I was talking about. The last game they played (aka the final) S1mple fans were out in full force. Zywoo has been technically better apart from in that game, thats my point.
2020-12-03 17:44
9 replies
He was also mediocre for the first half of the year so yeah
2020-12-03 17:51
4 replies
hltv.org/stats/players/11893/zywoo?start.. stats from the first half of the year. If that is mediocre then everyone was mediocre ;)
2020-12-03 18:15
3 replies
For his standards and compared to S1mple he was
2020-12-03 18:17
2 replies
hltv.org/stats/players/7998/s1mple?start.. Do you see much difference? How is ZywOo's mediocre compared to s1mple? People have really short memory it seems. There's almost no difference in averages. I'll admit s1mple got ahead on the only LAN part we had this year but you are exaggerating a lot.
2020-12-03 18:22
1 reply
+1
2020-12-03 18:36
He was better than simple on three maps. Vitality won these 3 maps It gave them the win It's pretty stupid to say that simple was better just because he farmed stats on the two maps he was better on.
2020-12-03 18:22
3 replies
Zywoo farmed on the other 3 maps cuz S1mple team suckdd tho cant we claim that? Its almost as if you perform better if your team does so You claim they won the maps cuz of zywoo but you say S1mple farmed on the maps he played well, like wtf?
2020-12-03 18:27
2 replies
Hypocritical people, man.
2020-12-03 18:50
Thought it was quite clear but I forgot that simple fanboys have some mental disease so I'll try to make it even easier to understand. - The goal of this game was to win three maps - Simple gave his team 2 maps where he dominated zywoo - Zywoo gave his team 3 maps where he dominated simple Simple 2 - 3 Zywoo Vitality won the final thanks to this Saying simple was better because he played insanely well on 2/5 maps is as dumb as saying a team won when they lost 12-16 just because thay had more kills overall.
2020-12-04 11:27
thorin is a huge s1mple fanboy
2020-12-03 17:44
i remember at the very start of the year when zywoo was playing mediocre for a few matches and kenny had one good series, thorin immediately crowned kennyS as the best french player taking his spot back what a clown
2020-12-03 18:27
#160
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India somecunt
What do you expect? All CSGO staffs like analyst,casters etc totally favour s1mple because of his popularity and fanbase. This adds points for their relevance.
2020-12-04 14:35
#36
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Russia NOD777
Look how somple fanbase of kids malding KEKW
2020-12-03 17:33
SK
2020-12-03 17:36
I hope they're not considering to put xsepower and hen1 to top10 or smth
2020-12-03 17:45
1 reply
ofc not. they just compared them to other awpers
2020-12-03 17:46
#52
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Romania ukhcsgo
I'm not surprised. ZywOo > S1mple
2020-12-03 17:49
#60
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Korea ramza72
WHY WE CARE??? ITS JUST A STAT NUMBER BUT THE TRUTH MOST SKILLED AND BETTER IS S1MPLE
2020-12-03 17:58
1 reply
hello sam2iq
2020-12-03 18:20
Zywoo or S1mple ? You decide youtube.com/watch?v=LFSl7HFAWUM&t=5s&ab_..
2020-12-03 18:12
zywoo is not a pure awper he might play as much riffle so it s even more impressive
2020-12-03 18:21
What's new?
2020-12-03 18:19
just think if zywoo was playing in navi insteed of simple.. he would have 1.40 rating , playing awp and going 3 or 4 and baiting his team ..
2020-12-03 18:26
6 replies
Your average hltv user right here
2020-12-03 18:28
4 replies
going 3 or 4 is the easy way to boost stats and playing awp as well, also having the whole team playing for you. no doubt simple is a amazing player.. but zywoo have bigger balls and doesn t care about stats in the way he play, For exemple simple almots never support his teammates to help them frag , while zywoo often does that.. clearly by watching game they are both insane but the one i would choose for my team is really easy between these 2, simple play too much in a selfish way.
2020-12-03 18:39
3 replies
Im not even gonna bother, its not his fault NAVI do it that way, Just like alex played around zywoo thats what happens here The only thing they would do is him playing AK on T side and drop smg and famas instead of for example drop him an awp but we dont know if thats gonna be better, he would go 3rd or 4th even with ak and people want him to go first when he is playing an awp, when zywoo has More balls he usually uses ak, not an awp
2020-12-03 18:39
2 replies
i agree with you it s not his fault it s the way navi play but i think it s the problem, for me they have protential to be the beest team juste like astralis or vitality , astralis never played for device, vitalty play more as a team this year, i think it s the way to go
2020-12-03 18:46
1 reply
Its the problem as we see the vitality transition worked great at least in online era, also blad3 should go cuz dumb robot with his 4D chess and 20 second rounds that boomi4 cant properly igl and no hype in low spirit moment
2020-12-03 18:46
#159
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India somecunt
+1 even mor :D
2020-12-04 14:32
I expected mantuu and Hen1 to be quite closer to the top3.
2020-12-03 18:35
6vs5 stats omegalul
2020-12-03 18:38
and s1mple has much better kd XD
2020-12-03 18:38
9 replies
high kd and lower rating 2.0 = simple gets more useless frags. KD is irrelevant since 2014.
2020-12-03 19:31
8 replies
they have same rating 2.0 or s1mple has even more...
2020-12-03 19:32
7 replies
simple has 1.39 kd and only 1.28 rating. This means he often gets exit/eco frags which have low impact in rating 2.0.
2020-12-03 19:33
6 replies
he has 1.34 impact and zywoo has 1.38
2020-12-03 20:56
5 replies
We were talking about simple's kd.
2020-12-03 21:12
4 replies
so he is best in kd rating
2020-12-03 21:31
3 replies
Can u read what i have written? High kd but lower 2.0 rating = getting useless kills.
2020-12-03 21:35
2 replies
actually no
2020-12-03 22:41
1 reply
yes
2020-12-03 22:48
one of the biggest signs that s1mple is taking up too much space on navi is electronic not performing he is one of the best riflers in cs and he is first/second entry on navi. why? let him play s1mples spot as second to last alive sometimes, he is one of the most impactful riflers in the game
2020-12-03 18:39
5 replies
But S1mple plays awp, awp entrying usually doesnt end well, and S1mple is More clutch player so where are you going with this?
2020-12-03 18:41
4 replies
electronic is just an as good mid round player as s1mple. him in an after plant and he will win you most rounds and zywoo does awp as second entry, it clearly works. i think s1mple can do it as well (nevermind the fact that he often enough has an ak)
2020-12-03 18:42
3 replies
Well S1mple does too sometimes, but of course as 2nd, hltv want him to bunny hop into an entry like Nifty did vs mousesports in iem sydney 2018, but every round, its a bit silly imo,
2020-12-03 18:44
2 replies
nah i dont think he needs to entry as awp, but he is always second to last alive essentially and electronic is first to second dead. definitely a bad set up for the team and the confidence and impact of electronic.
2020-12-03 18:47
1 reply
I hope they sort their shit out and add 3rd map to map pool so they run out of maps after Nuke/train and dust 2
2020-12-03 18:50
dont worry that difference will be compensated by s1mple katowice LAN MVP :)
2020-12-03 18:39
zywoo 66% winrate in fpl, highest amongst pros
2020-12-03 18:40
8 replies
How is that relevant to this thread lol, doesnt zywoo have low maps
2020-12-03 18:41
5 replies
he has like 450 wins out of 700 matches simple has 55% winrate pretty relevant actually
2020-12-03 18:46
4 replies
How is it relevant, its FPL matches???
2020-12-03 18:47
3 replies
in fpl you gotta be a really impactful player to win games, otherwise its pretty much 50/50 66% winrate is insane. He won 3 times fpl, 3 times in a row. s1mple great fpl player only 55% winrate
2020-12-03 18:52
2 replies
+1
2020-12-04 13:54
zywoo 1.3 kd >>> s0mple 1.3 kd
2020-12-04 14:27
#118
OK | 
United States Bioax
FPL doesn't matter compared to real matches zywoo better and more impact, but don't compare with fpl.
2020-12-03 18:54
1 reply
actually it does, especially individual skill. #117
2020-12-04 13:53
zywoo top 1 confirmed.
2020-12-03 18:42
1 reply
IEM and Blast will decide if s1mple or zywoo top 1. only tournaments they have left this year and both present
2020-12-03 18:50
expected, zywoo 1 again
2020-12-03 18:51
ya but he plays FAGLORANT -1 = 0.36
2020-12-03 18:56
s1mple and zywoo don't care as much about top 1 than some random people on the internet holy shit
2020-12-03 18:58
2 replies
lol s1mple lives for top1
2020-12-04 13:59
1 reply
Ofc you think that as a hater
2020-12-04 14:30
#127
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Peru devbot
xi wu> zywho
2020-12-03 19:23
"slightly" Zywoo impact 1.38 S1mple impact 1.35 not that much, huh? and the year is not ended yet :)( and s1mple has LAN MVP
2020-12-03 19:32
5 replies
#166
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Romania ukhcsgo
This was an exception year... we know if all tournaments were in lan, zywoo would have at least 4 MVP. ZywOo > S1mple
2020-12-04 17:50
4 replies
0/8
2020-12-04 18:01
3 replies
#168
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Romania ukhcsgo
flag checks out kkk man, the thuth is--> Zywoo 18 years old top 1 hltv > S1mple any age
2020-12-04 18:06
2 replies
very bad bait
2020-12-04 18:43
1 reply
#173
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Romania ukhcsgo
prove me xD zywOo 18yo stats agaisnt any S1mple's age
2020-12-04 18:46
he is better but twitter has nthing to do with that
2020-12-03 22:49
ofc he is. only delusional users think the baiter is better.
2020-12-04 13:52
wow twitter :/
2020-12-04 14:39
Zeus 1 major s2mple 0 majors Zeus>s2mple EZ
2020-12-04 17:49
People in hltv forums are so stupid and delusional. I dont care about simple but zywoo fangirls are crazy this year. They act like 0.01 rating in one stat is something really big and creating hundreds simple hate threads whole year.
2020-12-04 18:32
1 reply
+1
2020-12-04 18:44
High Coast
1.35
Secret Club
3.03
Vitality
4.94
Natus Vincere
1.18
Virtus.pro
1.74
NiP
2.16
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