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"csgo is dying"
Hobbit | 
Pakistan sanos 
lmaooo counter strike as a game and mode is literally like chess, this will be played for a long time no matter how much valve fucks it up. just look at how many people play this game while valve does shit all - because it doesnt matter, the game mode is just that good you can see it with valorant as well; copy cs, add some gimmicks and instant success. its not rocket science anyone saying the game or scene will die has honestly no clue
2020-12-10 22:42
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2020-12-10 22:43
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too bad valorant is shit the moment they create any decent fps , cs will die just like the previous versions
2020-12-10 23:05
50 replies
valorant run and gun ez
2020-12-10 23:36
31 replies
#112
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Finland siloquez
Umm..... :D CS:GO is more on that side. But I know you wanna come with another statistics, later your friends will come, you make memes and feel good so let's just feel good with the fact that you are wrong. CS:GO is MORE of a RUN and GUN game than VALORANT is. I am sorry if this hurts you somekinda way, but the truth of the universe is this, if you don't want to believe it, hey, don't, but this is public forum for people to discuss so I corrected your wrongly produced sentence, bitch.
2020-12-11 02:08
30 replies
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA please bro
2020-12-11 02:33
25 replies
You can't run and gun in valorant
2020-12-11 02:57
1 reply
#215
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Germany Droidd
2020-12-11 18:25
#132
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Finland siloquez
Please what? Fucking dummies :D Kids picked up "run&gun" from publics when they had their first milktooth drop and now you apply it without any context. In CS:GO you _CAN_ run and gun AND hit targets. You simply can't in Valorant. So fuck off wnb "Hey, I've played CS(GO) for 2 years, I am full fledged eSports veteran". Damn I hate dumb people.
2020-12-11 04:07
22 replies
;) lol
2020-12-11 04:10
I prefer valorant rn lmao but saying run and gun isant in it is fucking laughable. btw i've played for 3 years
2020-12-11 04:22
13 replies
#137
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Finland siloquez
I haven't played Valorant for some time now (played it VERY much in the summertimes). If it hasn't changed, CS:GO still is the more "run&gun" game of those 2 by F A R. I understand that anime looking game isn't as TaCtIcool as madafuccin NAYVI SEEL motherfuckas killing TERRORISTS! But that doesn't give you the right to say whatever you wan't about the game mechanics. Ok, you can say what the fuck you want whatever who screams the loudest wins, I give up.
2020-12-11 04:27
12 replies
The game has better run and gun accuracy... Idk where you got your stats but there are plenty of videos talking about this. A lot of pros complaining also.
2020-12-11 04:38
3 replies
+1 talk sense into this Finnish snowlake pls looks like he hadn't gotten any attention in a few decades
2020-12-11 18:40
2 replies
Idk how it even ever became an argument. The run and gun is just statistically better in valorant and I've never seen someone trying to argue that its not.
2020-12-11 19:48
1 reply
exactly lmao i give a proven statement and he comes at me with a rampage
2020-12-12 00:44
You serious dude? Valorant pros are making vids out there on why people should phantom over the vandal, and one of the big reasons is phantom is very accurate (mp9 and mac10 level accurate) while running
2020-12-11 04:40
5 replies
Imagine run and gun with M4 Idiots will be idiots
2020-12-11 18:42
And the same pros are also complaining about it so devs will most likely nurf it in the near future
2020-12-11 18:49
3 replies
Pls nerf odin pls
2020-12-11 19:31
2 replies
as I am head dev of valorant and ceo of riot, I will it do it, my friend
2020-12-11 19:42
1 reply
i am thanccc
2020-12-12 17:35
Damn I hate dumb people.
2020-12-11 18:23
1 reply
+1
2020-12-11 18:41
Im playing cs for 17 years now... Am I a full fledged eSports veteran?
2020-12-11 04:51
4 replies
#160
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Finland siloquez
Long 17 years to play CS nonstop?
2020-12-11 08:18
1 reply
What is the definition of non-stop? I just love this game since I heard about it long time ago. I play casually. During week maybe 1-2 matches only or no games at all. I play only on weekend when I have time. And I am still lvl 10 on faceit. I have bachelors and also masters degree and nice job so I dont think that I wasted much time playing it. You still didn’t answer my question. You tried to dodge it. You talk shit to people who played 2 years only calling them wnb. And when i asked you with my 17 years experience you tried to point at some other irrelevant shit. I guess just shut the fuck up insecure 16yo kid.
2020-12-11 17:47
I play cs 14 years since I was 10yo
2020-12-11 10:01
1 reply
i play cs since i was 7-8 yo
2020-12-11 18:18
Maybe try before speaking mens, phantom, one of the main rifles in the game can literally accurately shoot while you jiggle peak. There are even countless videos on it, much easier to run ang gun in Valorant.
2020-12-11 05:20
#216
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Germany Droidd
2020-12-11 18:25
"valorant run and gun ez"
2020-12-11 04:41
After the first sentence, i knew this can become a good copypasta
2020-12-11 05:03
#210
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Germany Droidd
you're an idiot
2020-12-11 18:24
maybe in ur silver matches where no one can aim lul
2020-12-11 18:30
#42
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Germany lyannen
so no decent fps has been created since like 1999?
2020-12-10 23:36
2 replies
Counter strike Global Offensive was created. And everyone went to that sooooo....
2020-12-11 04:31
1 reply
No one wanted to Valve fucked so bad 1.6 to fucking make everyone go to global offensive Because their playerbase was massively divided
2020-12-11 05:04
which version died lmao
2020-12-11 00:09
9 replies
#74
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Czech Republic imotfhere
+1
2020-12-11 00:27
i mean they are definetly way less popular, but even then what's the problem about that? ofc the old games won't be as popular, when u get a new version of the same game with better graphics.
2020-12-11 00:32
7 replies
Well if you even look at cs1.6 there are a shit ton of steam players and even more nonsteam players, even source is quite popular
2020-12-11 00:37
6 replies
yea definetly, not denying that, you could say that the competetive scene of those games is dead tho
2020-12-11 00:39
5 replies
#119
mimi | 
Sweden eNvym
Ye obviously since valve hosts major and the money is in csgo...you dont expect the pros to play 1.6 or css do you?
2020-12-11 02:52
4 replies
well, this and csgo is overall just a better game, anyone who says css or 1.6 are better is just stupid
2020-12-11 03:54
3 replies
So apparantly every professional is stupid? Opinions of your's are based on nothing but literally nothing, am i right? Hence, deemed irrelevant
2020-12-11 05:06
2 replies
CS:GO is literally the exact same game, but polished, better nades, better graphics, better movement (imo), better weapon (spray pattern, etc.), literally everything. People that say 1.6 or CSS is superior are just dumb and talk out of nostalgia. And yes, pros aswell.
2020-12-11 05:35
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#246
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North America Swboy1010
Correct me if I’m wrong but wasn’t the molotov added with csgo?
2021-04-25 02:26
2020-12-11 00:32
ye boring af to watch too
2020-12-11 03:10
#167
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Netherlands _FerSen_
Those died because of the then new game: csgo. Even then people played 1.6 still because they thought it was better then csgo. If valve releases a new cs, then yes cs will die. But until then. LMAO valOMEGALULrant will just not kill csgo.
2020-12-11 09:52
yea... create better fps this is big no... valve owns steam and steam have so big community of players like no other gaming platform so there is no chance of succesfull fps game outside steam and steam wont allow csgo competitor
2020-12-11 10:00
+1
2020-12-11 11:46
not for the EU i hope
2020-12-11 00:40
This game is so competitive!
2020-12-10 22:43
Weird comparison with chess, but I agree 8/8
2020-12-10 22:45
3 replies
Well this game doesn't change much so it's kinda like chess but modernized.
2020-12-10 22:50
nothing weird about it
2020-12-10 23:47
#86
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United Kingdom galaxyv2
cs can 100% be comparable to chess
2020-12-11 00:38
#4
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Myanmar roye
valorant only popular because cs haters make it popular, if no hate to valorant i wouldnt even know wtf is valorant. I would think air freshner probably.
2020-12-10 22:45
7 replies
its popular with bitches too for whatever reason
2020-12-10 23:01
6 replies
Bitches?
2020-12-10 23:37
5 replies
female dogs
2020-12-10 23:44
4 replies
Im confused
2020-12-10 23:44
3 replies
dogs who are female
2020-12-10 23:48
2 replies
Yes but why they like valorant
2020-12-10 23:51
1 reply
because they are bitches
2020-12-10 23:52
lmaooo counter strike as a game and mode is literally like chess, this will be played for a long time no matter how much valve fucks it up. just look at how many people play this game while valve does shit all - because it doesnt matter, the game mode is just that good you can see it with valorant as well; copy cs, add some gimmicks and instant success. its not rocket science anyone saying the game or scene will die has honestly no clue
2020-12-10 22:46
#6
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
Who is claiming that CS:GO is dying?
2020-12-10 22:47
4 replies
hltv every single day, there is a new thread.
2020-12-10 23:17
2 replies
#44
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
It has been a while since I've seen a thread claiming CS:GO is a dying game, though I am aware of those very threads. None of them are ever correct, though. :)
2020-12-10 23:38
1 reply
You havent seen the threads because you dont scour the forum like these degenerates
2020-12-11 04:40
To be fair, whenever someone leaves the scene they pretend the game is dead
2020-12-11 11:32
lol/dota are like chess, if you think clicking head is similar to chess then idk men
2020-12-10 22:47
4 replies
You can think like everymatch is a bullet match of chess although your previous match interfers in the one that your are playing rn. After all, yes, moba are more like chess
2020-12-10 23:28
he ment that the game doesnt need to constantly change to stay relevant (just like chess) as far as i have understood both dota and lol have big changes in the game all the time and theres always a new meta
2020-12-11 02:14
if you think that cs is all about clicking heads then idk men
2020-12-11 09:43
1 reply
the structure of the game is not that complicated to compare it to chess, and im lvl 10
2020-12-11 16:55
Obviously when you have 1 million+ concurrent players the game isn't dying. The part dying was the competitive integrity of CSGO.
2020-12-10 22:47
21 replies
also isnt dying
2020-12-10 22:50
20 replies
Looks like you haven't been around these parts for a while.
2020-12-10 22:54
19 replies
r lewis and thorin literally dont matter what they. competitive cs will not die, maybe it is corrupt but so is the biggest sport in the world
2020-12-10 22:56
18 replies
I didn't say competitive CS was dead, I said the integrity of it was. You have to realize that the scene itself is in shambles because of all the match fixing and lack of support for anybody below tier 1. Literally bug abusers and cheaters who are not punished whatsoever and you're saying that's wrong?
2020-12-10 22:57
17 replies
#21
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United States Fule
Its not like this is an issue in NFL or Premier league with drugs or playbook stealing. Its all blown out of proportion.
2020-12-10 23:03
16 replies
It's wrong for you to even compare the two. The difference in the industry it's from is astronomical. You realize that there are massive differences in pay, the sport itself, and rules. The fact that we have a bunch of people banned for bug abuse, and they are literally circumventing the bans in broad daylight, is a travesty to the scene.
2020-12-10 23:07
15 replies
No, you could absolutely compare CS to football/soccer of them. The issues that exists in current CSGO scene (cheating, matchfix, throwing, conflict of interests) have been existed since like one century ago and it was much worse. Do you know in 1930s Mussolini allegedly use his power that Italy manage to stole talented Argentinian and could won 2 WC back to back? He even threatened his players to win or die. Do you know in 1960s teams abuse the fact that cards didn't exists? WC 1962 is known as the most bloody WC in history thanks to this. In fact Estudiantes, winner of Intercontinental cup in 1968 said to play so ugly and even blackmailed or trashtalked their opponent. This is comparable to BIG or Hunden won Major because they abuse glitches and the so called 'game deficit'. Or how in 1978 Argentina allegedly rig the game so they could won the WC? All of this happened in football/soccer since when it was still regional based and not a gigantic billion dollars global phenomenon. Matchfixes, throws, etc. allegations won't kill a game unless it got so bad that it involve police or something and dozens of top players/teams had to stop playing. Bad game design kills the game faster than controversies.
2020-12-11 04:26
14 replies
Did you know we're in 2020 and CSGO is a video game? I bet you didn't know. We learned all of those things decades ago yet CSGO is in a blatant state of anarchy with cheaters, matchfixers and conflicts of interests. Which is funny because the game itself actually has an owner who can fix all of these things but chooses not to. So you tell me what the difference is.
2020-12-11 04:26
13 replies
I said this because even in 2020 esports in general is technically still in infancy, similar to football in 1960. In fact it's still niche that people is still unwilling to pay to watch esports unlike real sports. Also you know that Valve is game maker and not esports company themselves right? Sure you could blame them for the bugs but they're not directly responsible for matchfixes and throws. In Valve eyes if esports dies they could still got money from skin trading. Stop comparing Valve with Riot and Blizzard.
2020-12-11 04:34
12 replies
You're basically sucking Valve's dick that they shouldn't be responsible if people are using their IP to do illegal shit. That's cool. You're cool, how cool are you?
2020-12-11 04:35
11 replies
Dude I literally said that Valve is still responsible for bug and cheating cases. How in the hell am I sucking Valve's dick?
2020-12-11 04:51
10 replies
Lol? Are you dumb, you actually think match fixing and these companies like CSPPA who are just abusing the scene are just untouchable? Valve just doesn't care and it is their fault. Valve literally puts near nothing into CSGO and majority of the prize pools come from crowd funding or other 3rd party orgs. They deserve every bit of hate.
2020-12-11 04:54
9 replies
As I said before they're game makers, not the esports company like RIot or Blizzard who control the scene. If you wanted to blame then blaming ESL who is basically monopolize CSGO esports is more on the point. I don't think Valve will get involved unless thing got so bad police or lawyers started to question them just like in Jamppi's case. I mean if you want to hate Valve for not having an esports division and assuming control of everything related to CSGO esports like Riot to LoL, then the power is all on you.
2020-12-11 05:08
8 replies
poggers you just don't wanna blame Valve, they barely put any money into CSGO and you wanna give a cum on face free card, nt.
2020-12-11 05:10
7 replies
Again, as I said in #148 I don't suck Valve's dick and I still blame them for cheats and bugs. It's just that, unfortunately or not, they don't involve themselves in esports that much like other game company and that stance is pretty much clear. But you know what? If you still want to blame Valve and still consider me as their dicksucker then, again, the power is all on you.
2020-12-11 05:32
6 replies
Ok. Well my point is that they can do something about it but choose not to, I don't understand what you're even arguing against. But since you love cock so much, then. well Keep sucking cock i dunno, your hobby.
2020-12-11 05:34
Dumb American?
2020-12-11 11:34
3 replies
I'm not American if you're asking me
2020-12-11 11:42
2 replies
No I'm talking about the other guy but I don't know if he's dumb or just having a bad day
2020-12-11 11:43
1 reply
Ah ok. Fair enough.
2020-12-11 12:12
man stop trying to explain to this dumbass american who knows hes in the wrong
2020-12-11 11:44
remember : you read it first on HLTV
2020-12-10 22:51
It's not chess per se, since you can play chess without board and pieces. Two people can play a game of chess inside their own mind. And yet you cannot do it with cs. One day cs gonna die but chess won't. But CS won't die as long as we still have a civilization that could sustain electricity. Even with apocalyptic scenario, we can still play cs with hardware made out of scraps, build 10 of it, and a usb stick with cs 1.6 in it. What you need next is a couple of friends to play with :)
2020-12-10 22:55
1 reply
didnt ask
2020-12-10 23:51
counter strike as a game and mode is literally like chess +1 bro cs go is similar to cs:go because its game of mistakes also its about strategy too and about making good decisions counterstrike will be forever counterstrike new version 1.7 in 2025 incoming , cs go lose 70% players 30% still play old cs go cya
2020-12-10 23:10
1 reply
"cs go is similar to cs:go" wait what, didn't know there were 2 different games (one with a ":" and one without a ":") but jokes aside, +1 mens)
2020-12-10 23:58
#25
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Poland morosek
List of games that were supposed to kill cs: h1z1 pubg overwatch fortnite valorant Correct me if I forgot about something. And we are here, still playing the best game ever made. CS <3
2020-12-10 23:11
23 replies
+1
2020-12-10 23:12
#28
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United States Bioax
fortnite did kind of kill cs for a bit
2020-12-10 23:12
6 replies
#29
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Poland morosek
Maybe in US
2020-12-10 23:13
3 replies
#30
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United States Bioax
when fortnite was popular csgo dropped down to like 400k peak players (still decent but half of what it was b4)
2020-12-10 23:14
1 reply
#37
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Poland morosek
And that drop lasted for like 2 months, then it came back to 600k. It was noticable but still, far from killing cs
2020-12-10 23:33
same with valorant and again US only
2020-12-11 09:41
tbf i didnt play shit back in 2018 cuz of fortnite kekw
2020-12-11 02:04
maybe for one year and when those kids who plays it reach 16+ they can and will start csgo cuz who like cartoons
2020-12-11 10:05
#45
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
Don't forget about Apex Legends or R6.
2020-12-10 23:39
9 replies
#47
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Poland morosek
Oh, forgot about them. Thanks for help :D
2020-12-10 23:43
5 replies
#48
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
Not a problem. ^^ Have a good day, friend.
2020-12-10 23:43
4 replies
#162
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Poland morosek
Have a nice day Jonty :)
2020-12-11 09:38
Hello Jonty, i love you!
2020-12-11 19:41
2 replies
Thanks! I love you too, man. :) <3 I hope you are having a good Christmas, friend. ^^
2020-12-11 19:53
1 reply
You as well ^^
2020-12-11 22:31
When did people seriously say that those games would kill CS though? Valorant has been the only decent competitor and a whole continent of the CS pro scene has swapped to it within months. All of the Japanese and Korean teams switched too (yes, I know they weren't big countries though still) and when it gets released in China then CS will basically be completely dead in Asia too. More T2/T3 EU pros are also starting to emigrate to the game, and the e-sports scene is getting bigger at a really fast rate. Lots of e-sports orgs don't find it worth investing in CS anymore, and are dropping out of the game. The CS scene is just a cesspool of cheating, matchfixing and general corruption atm while there is too much boring tournaments going on and no majors. Comparing Valorant to Apex, R6, Fortnite etc just makes you seem braindead because Valorant has been the only direct, big competitor that CS has ever had
2020-12-11 00:06
1 reply
#68
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
To be fair, Valorant is the only game resembling enough to make an apt comparison to CS:GO considering the game is loosely based on it. Otherwise, yes, users actually made topics and claimed the aforementioned games would kill CS:GO; though these were bait-topics, of course.
2020-12-11 00:16
R6 is actually succesful unlike other games
2020-12-11 10:05
call of duty ? maybe im wrong about it
2020-12-11 02:34
4 replies
#161
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Poland morosek
Always thought it was more NA thing than EU but good call!
2020-12-11 09:37
COD and BF they are rivals not counter strike
2020-12-11 10:06
2 replies
i dont know how its played in competitive, but theres not a mod with a bomb and 2teams with 5players fighting?
2020-12-11 13:43
1 reply
cod can be 5v5 I think bf is diveded in to squads I think
2020-12-11 13:45
#27
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Sri Lanka w7tv
vr will dope
2020-12-10 23:12
+1 But.. Few things to say, Valve is aware of everything happening. Game is nowhere near dying The few people blowing things out of proportion, basically Richard Lewis and Th0rin, saying this is a sinking titanic is overreacting. Its not a titanic, there is scumbags? yeah, there is corruption in CS:GO? yep, people here only for their interests and to pocket in a few millions while knowing 0 about CS, so the sooner we get them out the best. This unfortunately happens everywhere, where millions are involved. It just comes and goes. Valve cannot control people's minds xD Valve hired a few new people in the Esports side of things, and more specifically for CS:GO, this is the only thing i will say. Expect the unexpected.
2020-12-10 23:17
nobody actually thinks csgo is dying. its just a meme every couple of months when another record high wears off.
2020-12-10 23:24
the problem is that there are no alternatives to CS Go, apart from probably many people play for skins. When this game came out almost nobody played, then valve started putting skins in and it became a business, for websites, gambling, etc. and this keeps the game alive. These things attracted more people. For some people, 1.6 is still better than CS GO and more fun. But it is already an old game.
2020-12-10 23:36
exectly. it's like football, chess, etc.
2020-12-10 23:32
cs 1.6 was huge long before lootbox skins were a thing. in fact, skins were banned in all leagues. all the money invested in skins just means csgo is basically immortal now unless valve kills it in favor of an actual cs 2.0
2020-12-10 23:33
i think they need to make a new cs with better graphics to keep up with 2020
2020-12-10 23:35
5 replies
the graphics are fine... were not trying to turn cs into a COD... go play your valorant or fortnite kid
2020-12-11 03:59
2 replies
you are prolly some poor NA slob...i have cash to spend and want better realistic graphics to suit the gameplay
2020-12-11 11:23
1 reply
u poor german nazi i have more money than your whole bloodline, i will buy ur whore mom and sisters
2020-12-13 12:08
80% of csgo players have potato pc like 5% players have 200fps+
2020-12-11 10:07
#221
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Austria SplasJ
Nah the low graphics are what's good about cs makes it easier to focus on the important part the gameplay and you don't lose because of performance issues
2020-12-11 18:34
the game wont die, the esports will
2020-12-10 23:35
2 replies
#46
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
People are still playing 1.6 servers...
2020-12-10 23:42
sure esport will die axaxaxaxaxa thats why its predicted that in 5 years esport will be third or fourth most viewed sport
2020-12-11 10:08
#50
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Poland flatness
> chess You misspelled cheats.
2020-12-10 23:44
#57
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Canada firtlast
no, thats just NA CS
2020-12-10 23:51
Game definitely won't die, though the competitive scene is corrupt as fuck and is dying. It's also getting more and more boring over time, especially due to there being too much tournaments and no major for at least another year. Valorant scene is a lot more exciting atm, coming from someone who follows both scenes.
2020-12-10 23:53
13 replies
Every sports in the world are corrupt. Only place where competitive scene is dying is NA and nobody gives a fuck about Asia. Also the scene is just getting bigger in SA. It's not getting more and more boring, It's just getting more and more interesting every day, especially since it's so stacked right now. So many good teams and not just Astralis dominating. Having a lots of tournaments is only a good thing, only a retard would see it as a bad thing. Wth even is Valorant scene? There's nothing going on in the game. Some washed up NA teams plays maybe once a month and they all have washed up cs;go players lol. Valorant scene couldn't be more irrelevant.
2020-12-11 01:18
9 replies
Nobody gives a fuck about Asia? Asia is one of the biggest market for e-sports, especially in China and South Korea in which LoL especially is doing amazing. Also, in physical sports then there isn't stream sniping bullshit, and no hackers. Matchfixing also doesn't happen to the scale in which it does in CS. You also can't exploit bugs in physical sports like the shitty fucking coach bug that went on for years too. Competitive integrity at the top tier of physical sports is farrrr better than it is in CS. The CS scene is getting more and more boring. If you don't think it is then you're just not being truthful to yourself. Having a shit ton of tournaments with similar prize pools and importance isn't a good thing. It takes away the whole suspense and excitement of waiting for a big tournament to happen because every tournament is just like the next. In LoL, there is a world championships and in Dota there is TI. In CS there was majors, though even they aren't as exciting as they used to be due there being constant tournaments with big prize pools. There won't even be a major for another year anyway. CS is boring as fuck currently, and the only matches that are slightly interesting atm are grand finals and C9's games. The Valorant scene clearly isn't irrelevant if it is getting 300k viewer games 6 months after release. You just don't have any interest in it because you won't even try to follow it because you're insecure about the shitty state that CS is in atm
2020-12-11 01:32
8 replies
Did i talk about LoL? NO. I said nobody gives a fuck about Asian cs scene. Yes physical sports can't really be compared to e-sports but yet it still happens. Challenger level Tennis players are matchfixing a lot and even umpires are with them LOL. Obviously in fkin videogame it's a lot easier and you can expect to see it more. If you think Cs scene is getting more and more boring it's because you're just a little Valorant fanboy and you started hating cs because it's crushing right now. 300k-400k viewers almost every night. If you don't like to watch cs games then don't, stop being a hater and go watch your Valorant match only once a month. That keeps you hyped. Valorant then again is just irrelevant because there's just nothing going on, it's just dead. Nobody gives a shit about some boomer HIKO playing it. 300k after 6 months of hyping is bad imo especially when the EU finals had only 30k. DEAD in EU btw, DEAD. Meanwhile CS;GO gets 300-400k even in the bracket matches every night hahaa.
2020-12-11 01:47
5 replies
the fact that you think the EU finals got 30k just shows that u havent been following it. EU peaked at 110k and is growing just as fast at NA, however it does get less viewership. Anyway, keep watching these snoozer CS games. CS is nothing like it was years ago atm
2020-12-11 01:50
4 replies
no the finals only peaked 30k, you don't even know your own scene hahaha. Go play Valorant nobody gives a shit
2020-12-11 01:52
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89k it seems, hmm i checked the viewer count few times while watching cs and the main stream was never above 30k. Probably all the streams combined, however it's not 110k either. I don't expect the game to do much better than that in EU. Numbers are just probably gonna go down, horrible game to watch and horrible game to bet on.
2020-12-11 02:00
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the peak viewers doubled in the past few months in EU just like they did in NA too. Also if the final wasn't two previously unknown teams to the majority, and G2 vs FPX or something then the final probs would have been like 200k viewers. EU scene is just more delayed than NA due to lack of tournaments, streams etc. However a lot more orgs are starting to invest in EU (Vitality and Alliance just announced today and Fnatic posted they're joining the scene like a week ago), and a lot more teams are become known to the public. Especially SUMN and Heretics as they beat G2 and FPX
2020-12-11 02:30
bruh the quarter final between Navi and Astralis the other day or even the BIG/G2 match just now was as good as any major final, if not better than many of them if not for the fact that there is no arena atmosphere. I have been watching competitive CS for almost 20 years and it has never been this competitive. enjoy fortnite-strike while it lasts. this happens every single time someone releases a CS clone that isn't a complete failure, and people never stay long. everyone comes back to the game that defines the genre, because it defines the genre. as long as valve supports the game officially, it lives.
2020-12-11 01:58
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lol, there has never been a 'cs clone' on the scale of Valorant with an entire region swapping games, you retard
2020-12-11 02:31
#122
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South Africa CRMN1
I'm not that standard CS:GO fan that will hate valorant for it's competitiveness within the esports scenario but as a player and follower of the pro scene for almost 5 years now, I like Valorant as a game overall, although I feel like Valorant still does not have enough quality to be compared to CS:GO as an FPS game. Lack of map depth, overuse of abilities (which I understand that some of the CS:GO players dislike, because in my opinion this type of fantasy is more suitable for a game like LoL rather than an FPS like CS or Valorant), lack diversity in the weaponry and mechanics, lack of third party features like community maps and the existence of a console, personal thing here but I think the game is a little bit too slow paced due to the footsteps being heard "all across the map". To reply to your comment, I feel like the valorant scene is more exciting for being too stacked, which is pretty predictable from the get go. Teams are still learning, adapting and improving on a daily basis and it will take probably many months for the scenario to stabilize, but I really hope the end of covid and the beginning of the lan era for Valorant really helps the game compete and be more on the level of quality where CS:GO stands on. Also when lans return I hope vlr.gg mixes the rankings instead of being separate into 2 regions and I hope TO's do something on the UI cause spectating a valorant game can be so so confusing regardless of how much playtime you have in the game. That said, still though, I think it's a good game and I personally like it, just wouldn't put it on the same level as CS:GO but then again it's a new game and the room to grow, considering Riot are managing it fairly well so far, is big.
2020-12-11 03:14
2 replies
I can agree that CS as an actual game is more polished and has much better maps (and is probably a better game overall). However, I love the agent aspect of Valorant as it adds a unique aspect to team play in such a game, and the added utility + ultimates/orbs greatly increases the tactical depth within the game. It will be even cooler when there will be a pick/ban system when there is enough agents so that teams will be forced to adapt and don't have pre-picked compositions for certain maps. The game is noticeably easier than CS mechanically, though the tactical aspect is really fun to think about and watch imo. It's cool seeing pro teams having different compositions, seeing different pros play different agents, and also seeing pros playing the same agents though with completely different playstyles. It's also cool seeing the different regions having different agent metas. These things alongside the scene being new and there being a really nice tournament structure for next year makes Valorant's competitive scene a lot more exciting to watch than CS atm. CS's competitive integrity atm is in a really rough spot due to matchfixing and coaching bugs going on for 5ish years. Also for me and a lot of people, the constant tournaments going on in CS currently takes away from the excitement of watching tournaments. Valorant will have 3 majors throughout the year which build up to a world championships in December which will be on the scale of worlds in LoL. It's also nice seeing regions such as Japan and Korea getting into the game, as it will be nice having more competitive regions. EU probably won't dominate as much as it does in CS + With Riot you can trust them to continue to improve Valorant as an e-sport, and they listen to the community and pros a lot.
2020-12-11 03:27
1 reply
Also the reason that the movement etc is slower due to the game meant to be more suitable for casual players than CS. I feel like it could be a tiny bit faster though
2020-12-11 03:36
#63
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United States MooseMania
Once the valorant tournament scene really gets going I'm not sure what's going to happen. It's going to explode when lans get back I believe. I was fully on the CS will reign supreme train before but now I'm not so sure.
2020-12-11 00:03
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lmao no way that will ever happen. any org thinking about hosting valorant tournaments would be better off setting their cash on fire and posting it on youtube. only washed up CS pros are jumping to Valorant, much like with CSS, and nobody cares. all eyes will be on the original as long as the support is there. and with so much invested and people still spending millions on cases and skins, valve has no reason to end support. only some kind of VR sports boom could possibly make a dent
2020-12-11 01:45
LOL - Nothing is forever. I once thought UT was gonna stay and other people thought so about Q3, this was back when Usenet was a thing, ICQ was new and people used GameSpy to find each other. Now I bet most of the people here don't even know what I am referring to. Still just in case - if anyone here remembers AGUT then give a shout.
2020-12-11 00:14
2 replies
bruh UT died like 15 years ago and Q3 got replaced by sequels that sucked ass. if you predict CS will die anytime soon, that will be another idiotic prediction to add to your list, as to be expected with that record. comparing CS to generic DM FPS is like comparing chess to checkers. nt tho.
2020-12-11 01:30
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The thing is that when UT was new it was not generic. It was the thing. The day the demo was released, there was a global spike in internet traffic volume by 40%. My point is merely that thinking CS is forever is being rather naive. I did not say CS was about to go away.
2020-12-11 17:03
+1
2020-12-11 00:17
- csgo is dying - game is hitting peak numbers following new operation the competitive scene will come back stronger. there was controversy years ago with the fnatic cheating scandal and over time, csgo came back stronger. people are just braindead, especially in na where valorant is the shit. the only reason i even follow the game at all is because nitr0 is playing valorant
2020-12-11 00:20
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#71
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Canada MiLkBaGzz
+1
2020-12-11 00:19
when people say it's dying, they usually mean the competitive scene more-so than the game itself
2020-12-11 00:23
9 replies
they said that in 2013-2014 during the fnatic cheating scandal. csgo in 2015 hits its peak at the time same thing happened in 2017. people started losing interest and then boston came and csgo hit record highs again if lans come back in mid-late 2021, csgo will be back, stronger and better
2020-12-11 00:26
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#82
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United States Phamous3k
2013-2014 was a very wild wild west era of esports though... You talking Team iBUYPOWER & Astana Dragons days lol... The level of competitive integrity has skyrocketed since then. Not saying CSGO isn't going to come back bigger & stronger late-2021 but, times have changed. There are waaaaay more esport titles, fans have more choices, etc. We'll see though... But rampant cheating will have more damage today then it could in 2013.
2020-12-11 00:34
Yes, but there's no denying that it's at its roughest spot atm due to the many scandals and corruption going on. There's also way too many tournaments which is boring and tedious to follow and they're online which makes it even worse. Everytime I go on twitch there's a tournament going on and I cbf watching it, and even when I do the games just aren't exciting like they used to be because they happen so often. The fact that there won't be another major for at least a year while the game's direct competitor is growing fast and a lot of pros are switching isn't a good sign
2020-12-11 00:39
6 replies
name one pro that switched to Valorant because the game was actually better and not because they couldn't make the cut in CSGO anymore. I rest my case.
2020-12-11 02:07
5 replies
s0m and daps for sure. RL was also saying that some pros took a paycut just to swap to val. If you think that everyone swapped because they couldn't make it in CS then you're just stupid
2020-12-11 02:26
4 replies
daps was kicked from Gen G when he go to Valorant. I also still remember he said he prefered to stay in CS when he was kicked. "some pros took a paycut just to swap to val." I find this statement questionable. Besides s0m, who else possibly take paycut just to jump ship?
2020-12-11 04:00
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He never said he would prefer to stay in CS. He literally said that he was bored of CS since 2018 and thought about quitting back then, though LANs was the only thing that kept his interest hence he got sick of the game and quit due to the online era. Nitr0 said he was originally looking for a cs team after he left Liquid, not daps
2020-12-11 04:33
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hltv.org/news/30277/daps-to-step-down-fr.. He said in pastebin he was still in love with CS and wanted to IGL a team, but he was fine with jumping ship.
2020-12-11 04:44
1 reply
Yes, now watch his interviews after he went to Valorant
2020-12-11 19:11
#75
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Czech Republic imotfhere
how chess can get an update ?
2020-12-11 00:27
1 reply
even chess changes. online is gaining more importance and classical chess is losing importance, blitz is the preferred mode at the top
2020-12-11 00:29
#76
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United States Phamous3k
To be fair nothing last forever and if you believe in the fantasy of "CSGO will never die haha" you'll be disappointed in the future. Still, CSGO will continue to thrive especially in Europe & Brazil... NA CS definitely is the titanic and Asia never really had a strong footing in CSGO anyways. I believe CrossFire & Sudden Attack were the Asian CSGO's. Saying all that I will say NA dying and rampant cheating really needs to be addressed. More so the rampant cheating imo if CS wants to be a tier1 competitive game... NA CS was on it last leg for awhile so, Unless more companies like ESL step up and try to revive it I think kids will grow up and be playing something else in the states. Sadly, that means rivalries (NA v EU), viewership, purchasing power (We love skins, & stickers), and just the overall economy of CSGO will take a hit. Hopefully NA CS stays cause even though I enjoy teams like Furia, Na'vi etc. I don't care to see Astralis over and over lol. Great amazing team but, I want to see if EG can take'em down or Team Liquid etc. Anyways......
2020-12-11 00:28
2 replies
of course nothing lasts forever. just saying that it will that there is no sign of stopping for now
2020-12-11 00:31
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#83
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United States Phamous3k
CSGO will continue to thrive for awhile... Maybe not be as global as it use to be but, Europe & Brazil not going anywhere.
2020-12-11 00:35
Too bad for you, because not only is it dying, but I'd say it's completely dead.
2020-12-11 00:31
#91
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Brazil Criolinho
You want it darker. We kill the flame! Siqueira. Pc
2020-12-11 00:50
#94
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Greece hekzy
People here forget one major factor. Valorant is bad, it's a bad game, it's not even an opinion, it's factual. How long can a bad game live off of hype? How long til people decide it's not worth their time and they just return to what is fun.
2020-12-11 01:04
9 replies
#197
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Lebanon Dogman69
just throw enough money and marketing at the bad game problem and it will make it go away
2020-12-11 17:12
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#206
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Greece hekzy
not really, the game is unenjoyable. ive been trying to get into it for months now, even with friends, and everytime i launch the game i wonder why im not just playing csgo
2020-12-11 18:21
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#207
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Lebanon Dogman69
yah but the 13 yo kids dont know how bad it is
2020-12-11 18:22
6 replies
#209
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Greece hekzy
13yo kids is not a stable fanbase, no esport can survive on 13yo kids
2020-12-11 18:23
5 replies
#211
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Lebanon Dogman69
its just new generation of players like with anyo ther game see fortnite
2020-12-11 18:23
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#213
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Greece hekzy
yeah but those are casuals, they get bored and the game dies. good example is overwatch, the game lived for 3 years xd
2020-12-11 18:24
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#214
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Lebanon Dogman69
casuals are 99% of the players and viewers dude wtf
2020-12-11 18:25
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#217
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Greece hekzy
not in CS. CSGO lives because of its competitive community, because they stay longer than a year. Casuals are good for the first year, then they leave because something new comes. It's undoubtedly a fact that with the release of OW2 valorant will instantly die.
2020-12-11 18:29
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#223
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Austria SplasJ
Casuals junp from game to game all day long xD just like Fall guys and soon among us as well dead in a few months
2020-12-11 18:37
#102
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Brazil peladekis
Valorant is good for cs... in a few years, a lot of players that starts in valorant will go to cs. Mark my words.
2020-12-11 01:52
1 reply
Just like OW players went to valorant when it died soon they come CS its full circle
2020-12-11 01:53
it aint
2020-12-11 01:55
Noone is dying similar to LOL , to Wow and Diablo 2 or POE When you are a legend and one of a kind game, even if they copy you hard, theres no way to die. Period. Maybe there will be a decline in the future but we already had a decline last year down to 250K population and no, wasnt because of Valolrant.
2020-12-11 02:02
4 replies
You need to go back to may 2018 to see a decline to 260k players. The lowest player count for the last 12 months is 450k.
2020-12-11 03:23
3 replies
yeap, exactly. So who is dying ?
2020-12-11 17:48
2 replies
I agree with you, those numbers just show even more that cs isn't dying.
2020-12-11 18:03
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I know, thats what im telling few months now my Valolrant boys and all CSGO haters/trollers. Check the numbers :)
2020-12-11 18:17
#121
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Sweden eNvym
Valorant is only relevant for the people who were never good enough to compete at the top level of CS. Beside that, Valorant wil never ever reach what CS has reached.
2020-12-11 02:58
8/8
2020-12-11 03:50
#131
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Australia Zilox
I agree in the slightest, cos this game is so simple so easy to follow but its so complicated at the same time, Valorant Is going to do well, but it probably can't last more than 3-5 years cos there's going to be no new players going into the game due to the number of heroes, maps, and overall learning curve/ skill game with new players It's not like that in CS, It's almost timeless
2020-12-11 04:06
well soon valorant might get a new system to the problems, cause they actually have consistent devs, unlike cs. I would give the game sometime to become really good, same process for cs even when it came out, but I believe it would do in the future. either way tho cs is like a roach, its hard to kill and it wont die.
2020-12-11 05:00
#163
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Netherlands ONGix
Is it dead? Not yet Is it still a tier 1 FPS? More like tier 3
2020-12-11 09:41
Checkers will kill chess. Just like overwatch killed CSGO lol keep your delusions
2020-12-11 09:45
yes its dying from a e-sport side of view-not from amateur
2020-12-11 09:53
CSGO is so much like chess. I love both so much <3
2020-12-11 09:53
cs will not die for a looong time. once the players will drop really low, they will release a new cs. ez
2020-12-11 10:31
+1
2020-12-11 11:35
+1
2020-12-11 11:46
#187
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Greece Graecos
Is the 1.6 community still alive?
2020-12-11 11:47
2 replies
ummm yes?
2020-12-11 17:03
1 reply
#195
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Greece Graecos
That's good to know! ^^
2020-12-11 17:09
Agree +11111111111111111111111111111111111
2020-12-11 17:00
#196
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Lebanon Dogman69
It is difficult to, to be judged that to be reviewed as a teenager Iii remember one casting director who later became a producer I was in the middle of doing a reading for her and she stopped me and she said: "listen, you are not pretty enough to be an actress you have to find something else that you want to do"...
2020-12-11 17:10
#199
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Latvia 4swen4
Agree, I'm like 60 years old, and still playing
2020-12-11 17:20
true
2020-12-11 17:50
#208
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Poland SebL
The game mode is really great, you have to give it up. But it has to die at somepoint, just as everything.
2020-12-11 18:22
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#220
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Nigeria STFU_M8
which game mode? THERE ARE alot of different things to do in CS. NOT JUST 5v5 but you are right, it will die one day.
2020-12-11 18:31
1 reply
#229
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Poland SebL
I mean the 5vs5 one obv., and ofc. it will die, the question is, when?
2020-12-11 18:58
#219
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Nigeria STFU_M8
Its gonna die next year. But nt tho
2020-12-11 18:30
Valorant will die before CS imo
2020-12-11 18:35
woxic once said: cs cant die maybe new game possible but cs will never die there will be CS:PENIS CS:P*SSY CS:IT CS:THAT but there will be CS always
2020-12-11 18:43
lmao it's fucking dead like chess.
2020-12-11 19:13
TRUE AF csgo is art ...
2020-12-11 19:14
esportsearnings.com/history/2020/games literally first place in all 3 categories.
2020-12-11 22:38
#240
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Brazil Fauchard
+1 and you need to have a TOP PC to play.. imagine if the game was accessible for everyone ! I start to play in lan house today Im dentistry so I have money to buy my own PC, but if was in my time and theres no lan house never in my f.. mind that my mother will spend so much money for your son play Counter Strike.... I remember to own a 1.1 microsoft from my grandfather in 2002 and a DKT mousepad from my mother in christmas and was very very happy.
2020-12-11 22:40
#245
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Hong Kong Opekp
valorant for the kid
2021-04-25 02:19
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