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Top5/10/etc clarifications - Professeur and Striker
Sadokist | 
New Zealand SWARN151 
I approached Professeur and Striker about the common, although very important misconception that most HLTV users apparently have - player's rating against particular opponent Teams' Ranks. As you may know, when we talk about Top5/Top10/Top20, etc, there are 2 ways that people use: 1) The HLTV Normal Stats Database filter 2) The "Featured Ratings" section on a player's official HLTV profile (below their stats table) For example (skip this paragraph if you understood the discrepancy I'm talking about): Consider s1mple's rating against Top5 in 2020 1) "Featured Ratings" on his HLTV profile, shows 1.31 in 53 maps: hltv.org/stats/players/7998/s1mple?start.. 2) HLTV Stats Filter Top5 shows 1.27 in 85 maps: hltv.org/stats/players?startDate=2020-01.. The Explanation (by Striker and Professeur): Striker: imgur.com/a/M7py7Ak Prof: imgur.com/a/8YcSApz "Featured Ratings" talk about the player's performance *AGAINST* Top5/Top10, etc opponent teams. The HLTV Normal Stats Top5/Top10, etc filter considers cases when any one/both of the teams were TopX. In other words: 1) The player's team was Top5 (regardless of what the opponent team was) 2) The Opponent team was Top5 (regardless of what the player's team was) 3) Both the teams were in Top5 (already included in above 2 points)
2021-01-02 11:27
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TLDR: "Featured Ratings" tells us the player's performance *AGAINST* Top5/Top10/etc teams. HLTV stats Top5/Top10/etc filters consider all the matches where (any one/both) of the two teams involved were Top5/Top10,etc. HENCE, "Featured Ratings is what we should look at" (in the words of Striker)
2021-01-02 11:37
23 replies
Implication: s1mple has BETTER rating AGAINST Top5, Top20 ZywOo has BETTER rating AGAINST Top10 They have equal rating AGAINST Top30, Top50
2021-01-02 12:11
14 replies
Wrong. Zywoo gets better stats against: top5/top10/top30/top50 S1mple is only ahead in top20.
2021-01-02 15:44
12 replies
So, you clearly didn't even read what Striker, and Prof said, or even what I summarized in TLDR. HLTV Stats filter is not *against* TopX teams. It includes all matches where either of the involved teams were TopX. For ratings *against* TopX, see "featured ratings" on HLTV player profiles.
2021-01-02 15:56
cry
2021-01-02 18:18
#162
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United Kingdom Triturn
cry
2021-01-02 18:24
It takes a few clicks to prove you wrong btw
2021-01-02 20:14
flag checks out
2021-01-06 09:00
#209
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Serbia LtN))
Someone didn't read the details...
2021-01-07 15:20
france XD
2021-01-08 00:43
Cry
2021-01-15 17:18
#279
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Cyprus shmoe
oui oui le baguette
2021-01-15 18:40
You could literally go and check the rankings/HLTV articles and the stats yourself. You don't even have to believe him. Malding baguette KEKW
2021-01-15 18:47
Did you read ????
2021-01-16 07:20
#300
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Korea ramza72
YOU SAID WRONG BECAUSE YOU ZYWOO FANGAY
2021-01-17 07:24
so s1mple top1
2021-01-06 08:18
Do check #39 as well. Had to work to get that :D
2021-01-02 14:12
3 replies
Good work!
2021-01-02 15:37
1 reply
Thanks!
2021-01-02 15:37
Also, do check #192 . It has been confirmed by HLTV
2021-01-06 09:32
All of this is good work but there's just one thing that stands out to me as a bit weird. Why does s1mple have fewer maps against top 5 opposition with the Featured Ratings filter than with the regular top 5 filter (58 vs 85)? Shouldn't he have more maps with the Featured Ratings filter, as it includes all maps against top 5 opponents instead of just the ones where NaVi were top 5 as well? hltv.org/stats/players/11893/zywoo?start.. It's the same case with ZywOo
2021-01-02 18:00
3 replies
I think you've misunderstood. #56 and #68
2021-01-02 18:17
2 replies
Yeah but if we look at s1mple's matches against top 5 according to the regular filter, it only shows matches against top 5 teams (Astralis, Vitality, BIG, Heroic etc): hltv.org/stats/players/matches/7998/s1mp..
2021-01-02 18:40
1 reply
This and the HLTV compare feature still appear problematic. I would ask them again :D
2021-01-02 18:58
tldr; ropz is the best player to play csgo and you all should build shrines and worship him
2021-01-02 11:30
35 replies
Surely, one of the most mechanically gifted players at the moment.
2021-01-02 11:30
Ropz is better against Top5 and Top10 than BlameF BlameF is better against Top20,Top30, Top50 than Ropz What do you think?
2021-01-02 11:50
26 replies
I think blameF sucks wet asshole and ropz is a god
2021-01-02 11:52
25 replies
Lmao. Device is GOAT though. Sorry :(
2021-01-02 11:53
3 replies
#28
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Namibia Nt_NoScene
you wrote s1mple wrong
2021-01-02 11:55
2 replies
Lmao :D
2021-01-02 12:03
hahahaha XD
2021-01-15 15:59
Hhahah, all right :D
2021-01-02 11:53
#27
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Namibia Nt_NoScene
I think 1. s1mple 2. ZywOo 3. device 4. NiKo 5. ropz 6. blameF 7. electronic 8. SyrsoN 9. idk 10. idk
2021-01-02 11:54
19 replies
Quite possible tbh
2021-01-02 12:03
You just copied launders predictions
2021-01-02 12:33
1 reply
Well, if you checked #39 it does imply the same, more or less :D
2021-01-02 12:44
#67
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Austria Cheesle2
9.INS 10. K0nfig
2021-01-02 13:11
11 replies
Lol, not likely. INS has mad skills right?
2021-01-02 13:13
10 replies
#71
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Austria Cheesle2
INS farming all year. Nearly 100% win rate too
2021-01-02 13:14
9 replies
Huh, he should join extremum then :D what's he doing in Tier4?
2021-01-02 13:17
4 replies
#77
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Austria Cheesle2
Stuck in OCE because of covid. Renegades is actually a massive threat going international now. Big upsets ahead.
2021-01-02 13:19
1 reply
Yes, Top10 in 2019. Let's see what happens :D
2021-01-02 13:46
Renegades is probably better than extremum without jks
2021-01-02 14:11
1 reply
Honestly, CoL was doing well with Obo. Kick jks and get obo back. Jks reunite with the boys. Twistzz to Faze, Fallen to Liquid. All issues solved :D
2021-01-02 14:16
Hope to see him on Tier1 then.
2021-01-02 13:17
3 replies
Lol no, many players seem talented in Tier3. They shit the bed at Top level.
2021-01-02 14:19
2 replies
We'd never know unless they were given a chance, right? Misutta started with 0-17 and now is a solid Tier1 fragger. Same for Brollan, Perfecto. Woro2k, monesy, B1T, are all promising talents.
2021-01-02 14:20
1 reply
Fair enough
2021-01-02 14:20
Idk about Niko he might be 7-8 because he didn't play too good too much this year
2021-01-02 14:11
2 replies
Since good performance against good teams is most important, it's possible that electronic ends up as 5th, over Ropz and BlameF. However, Niko should still be favoured for 4th place. Faze was good initially, and G2 did well as well. Niko has MVP for IEM NY, and overall good stats.
2021-01-02 14:18
1 reply
+1
2021-01-02 14:21
ok launders
2021-01-06 08:59
Ropz just abusing 16:9 wider angle lol. He'll get screwed in 4:3.
2021-01-02 12:46
3 replies
ropz so good he dont need no wider enemies to hit their heads
2021-01-02 13:39
1 reply
Omegalul
2021-01-02 13:47
+1
2021-01-02 18:26
Actually, he is the best for lurking, because All aim, no brain KEKW. All he can do is run around like a chicken and get random kills. So overrated.
2021-01-02 12:54
2 replies
Hey, no toxicity on this thread please. Do it somewhere else. Thank you
2021-01-02 13:01
1 reply
Okay, chill :D
2021-01-02 13:06
Bump
2021-01-02 11:29
10 replies
#33
B1T | 
Ukraine devitt
what does it all mean? Who is top 1 then?
2021-01-02 12:06
9 replies
What it means is - when people say s1mple's stats against Top5, Top30, Top50, etc is weaker than ZywOo, that is nonsense. s1mple has better stats against Top5, Top20, and equal in Top30, Top50. Stats aren't the only thing that matters, but it's definitely in s1mple's favour.
2021-01-02 12:08
8 replies
#38
B1T | 
Ukraine devitt
it will be crazy if they give top 1 to s0mple, I can imagine hltv forums on that day :D
2021-01-02 12:15
7 replies
Check #39 lol s1mple has a higher chance than what people think.
2021-01-02 12:17
5 replies
#41
B1T | 
Ukraine devitt
I mean all people are 99% sure that the #1 spot is already in zywoo pocket and hltv forums will be insane if they give it to s1mple. I personally don't care who wins it, just will be funny to see how s1mple and zywoo mad fans gonna fight each other :DDDDDD
2021-01-02 12:19
4 replies
+1 hahaha
2021-01-02 12:19
#43
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Namibia Nt_NoScene
but u dont like s1mple
2021-01-02 12:22
2 replies
#143
B1T | 
Ukraine devitt
nt sam2k
2021-01-02 15:31
this bish called him s0mple and now he has a special place in hell for him ;)
2021-01-04 14:11
#304
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Korea ramza72
WHY NOT ? 2018 S1MPLE TOP 1 AND EVERYTHING ITS OK BECAUSE S1MPLE DESTROY EVERYONE SAME LIKE THIS YEARS HAHAHA
2021-01-17 07:26
Whoa! Wait. So, s1mple is better against Top5 and many others as compared to ZywOo?
2021-01-02 11:31
20 replies
s1mple is better than ZywOo *against* the Top5/Top20 teams and tied against Top30 and Top50 ZywOo is better than s1mple *against* Top10 Teams
2021-01-02 11:34
18 replies
0_0 I didn't know this at all. Thanks to striker and prof!
2021-01-02 11:35
17 replies
#11
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Namibia Nt_NoScene
Who do you think will be #1?
2021-01-02 11:37
16 replies
I was thinking ZywOo had slightly better stats in some categories like Top5, Top30, overall, etc. But as Striker and Prof confirmed, s1mple has better stats against Top5, Top20, and tied against Top30, Top50.
2021-01-02 11:38
Also, LAN seems to be much more important than online. s1mple's consistency might also give him another edge. s1mple can actually win this!
2021-01-02 11:39
13 replies
Well, he definitely has more chances than I thought. However, it still seems that ZywOo will have the edge with so many MVPs :D
2021-01-02 11:40
9 replies
If MVPs are THE most important thing, then yeah. Although, this year all matches/tournaments aren't the same. Anything could happen lol.
2021-01-02 11:41
2 replies
+1 Agreed
2021-01-02 11:42
2021-01-07 09:11
#85
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Serbia LtN))
dev1ce had much more MVPs in 2018 but s1mple won it
2021-01-02 13:33
3 replies
device had 1 more MVP (although Major MVP), and 2 more EVPs. s1mple was light years ahead of device in stats, though. That's not the case this year
2021-01-02 13:34
2 replies
#90
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Serbia LtN))
Oh
2021-01-02 13:34
1 reply
Still, #39 and #112 :D This is like a 55-45, unlike a 99-1 that most people think :D
2021-01-02 14:04
s1mple leading by far in Elite events with 24 more maps out of which 18 from Katowice. s1mple played insane both on LAN and online.
2021-01-07 09:11
1 reply
Yeah, but the mere existence of 6 MVPs, is a huge thing in ZywOo's favour. One that can tip the scales. MVPs are very very important for Rankings.
2021-01-07 09:36
#19
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Namibia Nt_NoScene
Good fair opinion!
2021-01-02 11:45
2 replies
2021-01-02 12:24
1 reply
#51
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Namibia Nt_NoScene
yes, I've seen it and I don't know yet, but I think something interesting will happen
2021-01-02 12:27
s1mple #1 HLTV confirmed
2021-01-02 14:20
#305
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Korea ramza72
you can check stats bro s1mple above zywoo against top 5 top 20
2021-01-17 07:26
#6
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Namibia Nt_NoScene
Is the LAN rating included?
2021-01-02 11:33
2 replies
yes, everything.
2021-01-02 11:34
1 reply
#9
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Namibia Nt_NoScene
wow thanks for infomation!
2021-01-02 11:35
In the context of s1mple vs ZywOo: Have a look at #7
2021-01-02 11:44
Bump!
2021-01-02 12:02
Really interesting to know, explains why the featured ratings change when you change the ranking filter in players of more inconsistent teams. this soulda been more clear.
2021-01-02 12:04
1 reply
This changes everything actually, how we view the stats, and not many people know about it.
2021-01-02 12:06
hltv.org/stats/players/7998/s1mple?start.. use this filter to check s1mple's stats (it removes his stats from gamers without borders)
2021-01-02 12:12
24 replies
1) Against biggest S-Tier EU, S-Tier LANs (but No RMRs, no qualifiers, no Tier1.5 events): hltv.org/stats/players?startDate=2020-01.. 2) Against S-Tier EU, S-Tier LANs, EU RMR (but No CIS RmRs, no qualifiers like Blast series/showdown, no Tier1.5) hltv.org/stats/players?startDate=2020-01.. 3) Against S-Tier EU, S-Tier LANs, EU RmR, EU Qualifiers/Tier1.5 EU (including Blast Series, showdown, ICE Challenge, Flashpoint, etc): hltv.org/stats/players?startDate=2020-01.. 4) Against S-Tier EU + S-Tier LANs, EU RmR, EU Qualifiers/Tier1.5 EU, and also CIS RmR: hltv.org/stats/players?startDate=2020-01.. I have NOT considered Gamers without Borders in any of the above filters. If I did consider it, s1mple would be ahead in all the above links. Otherwise, he's ahead in the first 3
2021-01-02 12:16
23 replies
0_0 This is actually insane. You should become an analyst for HLTV. At least a writer.
2021-01-02 12:23
6 replies
<3 Thank you for the kind words. Nah, I'm good. I do it as a hobby :D
2021-01-02 12:24
2 replies
Aight. Have a nice day :)
2021-01-02 12:25
1 reply
You too :D
2021-01-02 12:25
#49
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Namibia Nt_NoScene
He'll be working on hltv soon, i want to see the nickname SWARN151_HLTV.ORG
2021-01-02 12:26
2 replies
^_^ Thanks.
2021-01-02 12:27
1 reply
#52
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Namibia Nt_NoScene
You're Welcome and You are the friendly on hltv.
2021-01-02 12:29
Def makes things closer than I thought as I've just gone off filtering stats just by selecting "top x" option. I think zywoo has the mvps to make up for the stats as they are quite close but I thought it was locked in for zywoo, not anymore. And this is with counting LAN as equal to online, if you were to apply a multiplier or some sort of equation to LAN it would only increase the difference between zywoo and simple (in simples favour ofc). Hard to know the exact thought process of the admins and how they will weigh LAN more if at all. Given Brezhe as 20 they aren't counting EU that much over NA. That could apply to LAN vs online, but who knows. I sort of gave my thoughts on this the other day though It's nothing with actual backing. I just wrote down some ideas. don't want to copy paste because it's a bit long so here is the thread: hltv.org/forums/threads/2399485/brezhe-2..https://www.hltv.org/forums/threads/2399485/brezhe-20-insight
2021-01-02 13:24
11 replies
+1 I think it's still in ZywOo's favour probably, because I don't know how you get over the fact that he has 6 EU MVPs lol. But, it's really like a 55-45 case, not a 99-1 as most people are thinking :D
2021-01-02 13:28
4 replies
yeah these stats totally changed the way i view the race for top1, really hope im right about lans not being too much more important because otherwise 6mvps may not be enough but i think (hope lol) it should do the trick
2021-01-02 14:26
1 reply
+1
2021-01-02 14:30
if lan is favoured quite a bit, then there is barely a difference between them, only stats will matter because of some elements cancelling out some others, but by the hltv top20 goes so far and krimz making top17, i'll just consider katowice as most prestigious event that happened this year, and by that i can say s1mple will lead with 52-48, people will keep bragging about wins like in 2018 :p
2021-01-06 08:45
1 reply
The result is unpredictable, sure. However, I haven't claimed to know their ranks in any way. I have only tried to put forward certain facts that I feel people don't know. The implications of those facts, I leave to all of us :D
2021-01-06 09:16
there was a thread a couple days ago where someone asked proffeseur and striker something about how is lan and online weighted and they answered lan is favored quite a bit more. sorry i cant find the thread now
2021-01-02 13:45
3 replies
I made that thread :D Here you go: hltv.org/forums/threads/2398997/hltv-ran..
2021-01-02 13:52
2 replies
i actually remebered from that thread that the person who wrote it had NZ flag, then i thought maybe its you and then i thought naaah im malding actually wtf
2021-01-02 13:53
1 reply
Lol :) Have a nice day. It's night for me :)
2021-01-02 13:56
Yo, I just published a thread today, that might be interesting to you, perhaps. It's about play-offs rating :D Have a look at it. Maybe you or your friends could do the required calculations :D
2021-01-17 11:08
1 reply
Yeah I had a look at , the information that you're able to squeeze out of the admins is always interesting :D I don't have the time nor ability to properly compile and sort the data, and then create a system, but I do have a friend who is published in statistics. I can pass it onto him and beg that he looks at, he has way too much spare time anyways, guy is smurfing in school lol.
2021-01-17 12:45
Fantastic work as always, friend. :) SWARN the "Stats-wizard". ;)
2021-01-02 15:42
1 reply
Thanks for the kind words :)
2021-01-02 15:52
pog
2021-01-06 09:14
#192 Another *confirmed* Stats list has been added (confirmed by Striker)
2021-01-06 09:34
In application X plays Y while X isn’t top 10 X is in the top 10 a week later Y players have this game included in their top 10 statistics Am I correct?
2021-01-02 12:36
24 replies
Talking about X: X plays Y when X isn't top10 but Y is Top 10.......OR X plays Y when Y isn't top10 but X is Top10.......OR X plays Y when they are both top 10 All the above 3 are counted in Normal Stats Top10 filter. Featured ratings will only count X's performance against all Top10 Y's regardless of what X's rank was. About the time duration of the rank, there will be a gap of a week or so, in which the team has to be in Top10 (or whatever)
2021-01-02 12:41
2 replies
Thought about elaborating my question, you answered before I could. Thank you!
2021-01-02 12:46
1 reply
:D Ty :)
2021-01-02 12:47
Which ranking do you mean?
2021-01-02 13:09
20 replies
It was a generic question, I believe. When we use Top10 filter (or any other filter) on stats for a player X, it will include stats when X's team was Top10 but opponent team was NOT Top10. These matches shouldn't be included, right? We are only interested in X's performance when the opponent team was Top10. Hence, we should look at featured ratings.
2021-01-02 13:12
19 replies
But in normal stats it shows when both teams are top10 no?
2021-01-02 13:15
18 replies
Simple logic: If both the teams were top 10, as opposed to only the opponent team being top10 (regardless of own rank), then it should have lesser maps than in featured ratings section, right?
2021-01-02 13:19
17 replies
So you are saying that delay isn't irrelevant?
2021-01-02 13:35
16 replies
I gave a counter-logic to show why #72 is not correct. If BOTH teams playing are Top10 (mathematically A intersection B), as opposed to only opponent team being Top10 (just B), then the latter should have more maps than the former, obviously. But that's not the case, clearly. Hence, #72 is contradicted. Delay of rank consideration is obviously there, as striker pointed out. Check #86 and #93
2021-01-02 13:54
15 replies
But does both stats have this delay thing then??
2021-01-02 13:54
14 replies
That I am not 100% sure. Striker just mentioned that a team might not be Top10 all the time, hence when we say "Top10 team", there's usually a guard period, which might include a week when the team dropped out. Whether this is true for both, that I didn't ask him :D
2021-01-02 13:57
13 replies
But #72 is true when both teams were top10 when the match was played OR with a few week delay? sorry me no good london)))
2021-01-02 14:04
12 replies
Yes, delay is also included (how much delay, that's unsure). No problem :D
2021-01-02 14:05
11 replies
#247
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Denmark Humber98
It is possible that the delay is only on the filter and not the featured ratings. Featured less maps than Filter -> your conclusion is wrong imo. Its likely but not 100%.
2021-01-15 16:12
10 replies
How? If A and B are both Top 10, as compared to only A being top10, but B being whatever, it would obviously include B being top10, as well as out of top10. Hence, featured rating has less maps than TopX filter. That's what I said, and the numbers prove it?
2021-01-15 16:17
9 replies
#250
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Denmark Humber98
But both Stryker and Professeur didn't say it that way. So it can be another reason.
2021-01-15 16:17
2 replies
All right, then. However, the purpose of this is to make people understand how is a player's performance *against* topX teams is counted. As #179 and #216 proves it, it is featured ratings that's considered.
2021-01-15 16:20
1 reply
#254
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Denmark Humber98
I did some analysis. Go to a player like Bntet. He never was ranked Top10 in 2020. If you apply the Top10 filter (both teams have to be Top10 according to Professeur and Stryker.) He has 0 maps. Im the featured rating he has over 30 maps. Hence your conclusion is wrong and there is another reason behind it :) 2021-01-15 16:22 R
2021-01-15 16:22
#253
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Denmark Humber98
I did some analysis. Go to a player like Bntet. He never was ranked Top10 in 2020. If you apply the Top10 filter (both teams have to be Top10 according to Professeur and Stryker.) He has 0 maps. Im the featured rating he has over 30 maps. Hence your conclusion is wrong and there is another reason behind it :)
2021-01-15 16:22
5 replies
Well, this just shows that they themselves aren't quite sure of what happens :D In a message (I haven't taken the screenshot), I asked Prof that since Featured ratings is what we consider, since that's the player's performance against TopX teams, the normal filter is when "either" of them are TopX, right? He replied yes.
2021-01-15 16:29
4 replies
#260
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Denmark Humber98
Nice idea with this thread, but all the statistical evidence is based on a false conclusion. Professeur and Stryker say: Filter: Both Teams have to be Top10 f.e. Featured: The opponent team has to be Top 10 f.e. If this is true Featured must have more or equal mapcount than Filter. This is not the case if you apply it to s1mple/Zywoo. Idk why you come to the conclusion that what Stryker/Professeur said is wrong and you make your own explanation for it without evidence and say: Filter: Both/any one have to be Top10 f.e. Featured: Opponent Team has to be Top10 f.e. Lets take a look at Bntet: Top10 filter: 0 maps Top10 featured: 31 maps He never was in a Top10 team so what Stryker/Professeur said is true on the Filter. The reason behind the s1mple/Zywoo Featured<Filter is another which we both don't know. Your entire thread is nullified and you can't conclude anything out of your statistics. Investigation end.
2021-01-15 16:31
#261
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Denmark Humber98
Ye just an logical/lanuage error by his side maybe.
2021-01-15 16:32
2 replies
Yeah, perhaps. People usually care about these stats, up till the point of HLTV rankings. #179 and #216 can verify the primary purpose of this thread, as per 2020 rankings. Have a nice day :)
2021-01-15 16:40
1 reply
#266
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Denmark Humber98
Ye it's nice that younwant toneducate the HLTV users. But get your facts straight first and dont assume stuff out of the blue. But everyone makes mistakes :) Have a good one
2021-01-15 16:39
Bump
2021-01-02 12:39
1 reply
Thank you! Have a nice day :D
2021-01-02 12:43
#70
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Poland aleks2805
Well actually bad bait if you set year to 2020 and against top5 zywoo is 1.29 while simple is 1.27
2021-01-02 13:13
1 reply
It's not a bait, my friend. I never bait. See the images I posted. They are the replies by the senior-most HLTV.Org members, who largely influence HLTV Rankings. This thread is about the difference between Normal Stats Top5 and Featured Ratings Top5. Check #1, #56, #76 To clarify: Top5 filter (that you are talking about) also considers matches when Navi was Top5 but Navi's opponent team was NOT top5. We shouldn't count such matches, right? We count matches when Navi's opponent was Top5 (regardless of what rank Navi had). Hence, "Featured ratings" are more relevant.
2021-01-02 13:24
An actual, relevant, sensible, evidence-based s1mple vs ZywOo thread. Thanks brother. +1
2021-01-02 13:19
5 replies
Thanks for the kind words <3
2021-01-02 13:34
+1 SWARN151 easily deserves more credit for the work and dedication the user does.
2021-01-02 15:57
3 replies
#263
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Denmark Humber98
His statistics are wrong.
2021-01-15 16:36
2 replies
How are statistics wrong? Numbers do not lie.
2021-01-15 18:12
1 reply
#276
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Denmark Humber98
2021-01-15 18:25
thx
2021-01-02 13:25
1 reply
Ty for bump :)
2021-01-02 13:44
thanks
2021-01-02 13:29
1 reply
Ty :)
2021-01-02 13:45
#83
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Serbia LtN))
i just hope the article titles on 20th will be Top 20 players of 2020 - ZywOo (2) Top 20 players of 2020 - s1mple (1)
2021-01-02 13:30
2 replies
#87
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Namibia Nt_NoScene
I hope it very much too.
2021-01-02 13:33
1 reply
Don't worry, s1mple #1 HLTV confirmed.
2021-01-02 14:20
What I find weird is that featured ratings change whether you put Top 5/10/20... filters, which shouldn’t if I get it right. Sometimes I feel like HLTV stats are kinda broken.
2021-01-02 13:32
2 replies
It should change, if you change the filters. Take a minute to understand this: If X is our team, and Y is opponent team (they are playing against each other), TopX is (X union Y) basically. Featured rating is only conditioned upon Y (regardless of X). So, if Vitality was Top5 and played against a Rank 20 team, that would be in Top5 filter, but not in Top5 featured Ratings. Now, if we apply the Top10 filter, the original sample space is changed to only the matches where (X union Y) is Top10. With this, the Top5 featured ratings would not contain the matches when X was out of Top10. This would affect featured ratings.
2021-01-02 13:40
You misunderstood it.
2021-01-02 14:19
finally lol thanks
2021-01-02 13:48
I might have misread but "The HLTV Normal Stats Top5/Top10, etc filter considers cases when any one/both of the teams were TopX" is wrong both teams need to be in top 5 to be counted in the top5 ranking. cf Striker : "top 5/10/etc filter only includes matches in which BOTH of the opposing teams were within that ranking on the date or close to the date the match happened" so your point 2 and 3 are not right.
2021-01-02 13:48
6 replies
#94 should clear your doubt. It's mathematically not possible for this to be true. If Both were to be included, then number of maps would be lesser, obviously.
2021-01-02 13:55
5 replies
I agree but the fact that Striker says it, means they don't even know how their rating works. If in a statement you say 2 facts but the 2nd fact is proven to be false then there is no way i'm gonna trust the first one. Don't care about the ratings so it doesn't bother me that much but it's still kinda strange.
2021-01-02 14:23
4 replies
Lol, fair enough :D
2021-01-02 14:24
Yo man! I think #179 and #216 should be enough to prove it to you. I was just scrolling this thread and saw your message. I added those messages later. Since these are live examples for this year, it should be enough of a verification. That being said, you're right in saying that they themselves seem a bit confused about what they say, sometimes :D
2021-01-15 09:13
2 replies
Ye I know they use the feature rating for the top 20. I was just pointing out that the statement made by Striker was confusing and there was in it a "fact" that was false. It was more about the reality of the feature rating being the player vs top10 teams for exemple. I'm still not convinced by that because if you look at Zywoo's number of maps vs top5 it says 41 maps (i don't have time to check) but I think he has a lot more this year I might be wrong though. They use this rating so it doesn't really matter anyway. have a nice day mate :)
2021-01-15 14:37
1 reply
Yes, indeed. Have a nice day :)
2021-01-15 14:55
s1mple #1 HLTV confirmed
2021-01-02 14:18
1 reply
2021-01-02 14:42
Tl;dr: Dupreeh #1
2021-01-02 14:22
6 replies
Dupreeh is really underrated, tbh. He's really insane!
2021-01-02 14:38
Dupreeh's a bit overrated. device is the True Top1 <3
2021-01-02 14:42
4 replies
device has better team members, and those team members are world-class
2021-01-02 14:49
3 replies
+1
2021-01-02 15:32
Can't deny.
2021-01-02 15:36
+1 Astralis is hands down one of the most successful teams in the world, having achieved more accolades than any other. That alone proves just how good Astralis function as a team.
2021-01-02 15:55
Oh, this clarification gives a shred of hope to us, s1mple fans. Thank you, man.
2021-01-02 14:22
1 reply
Ty! Have a nice day :)
2021-01-02 14:38
2nd Bump :D
2021-01-02 15:30
2 replies
Read my name
2021-01-02 15:32
1 reply
Haha n1 :)
2021-01-02 15:34
+1 Another thread exemplifying the clarifications of the filtration system for those who do not necessarily understand how it works or functions. It's great knowledge to note and more importantly, spreads positivity across HLTV. :) It also proves outright that, given time of course, Admins of the website will reply to you as Professeur and Striker so kindly shown. :) They get a lot if unnecessarily bad reputation - I love this thread for many reasons, one of them being that. :) Fantastic job - one of the best threads on HLTV, friend. :) Have a good day.
2021-01-02 15:53
7 replies
Thank you <3
2021-01-02 15:57
#265
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Denmark Humber98
Nice idea, but his statistics are wrong. I hope he corrects himself!
2021-01-15 16:37
5 replies
You haven't explained how, friend. It is probably better to reply to the SWARN151 himself.
2021-01-15 18:13
4 replies
#275
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Denmark Humber98
#258 Ye I expected him to correct himself but he doesnt wanna do it.
2021-01-15 18:25
3 replies
I'm sure the user will get round to your reply. I too will read your post, friend.
2021-01-15 18:33
1 reply
Do check my recent thread. I believe hardly anybody would have known this :D Do tell me what you think. Good day :)
2021-01-17 11:09
Please have some patience, my friend :D I am not on HLTV all day. It sometimes takes a while to respond. I reply to everyone, and I respect all viewpoints. I have responded to you. Hope it satisfies your frustration. Have a nice day :)
2021-01-15 18:43
proof that s1mple will get #1 here
2021-01-02 18:18
1 reply
Bump ;)
2021-01-11 19:41
Very cool man ! Prof explain it very easy Feature rating is more important ! I didnt know the difference ! Im saying this again and again : S1mple is #1 of 2020 And now im pretty sure about this S1mple has the both of the most important lan and online mvps , S1mple has more consistent year .. he was a monster in both half of the year He is clearly top 1 ..
2021-01-02 18:32
1 reply
Let's see what happens :)
2021-01-02 20:12
zywoo still #1. s1mple only stat padder.
2021-01-02 18:48
you are like some proffesor on university, explaining obvious shit
2021-01-05 22:05
6 replies
+1
2021-01-05 22:07
1 reply
it only makes one washed up, then they be like make an 20 page presentation, you have 2 weeks on it and i be like bruh wtf bruh like wtf
2021-01-05 22:13
Obvious it may be to some people but no to others. HLTV threads are rife with all kinds of ludicrous, illogical assumptions about either s1mple or ZywOo, yet clarifications like this go an awfully long way.
2021-01-05 22:20
I'm sure this isn't obvious to 99% of users. For example, if I ask a random user (let's say you), what is HEN1's rating against top10 teams, they would do this and say HEN1 has 1.13 against Top10: hltv.org/stats/players/8565/hen1?startDa.. However, that's WRONG. Proof: hltv.org/news/30913/top-20-players-of-20.. Looking in the "Why was HEN1 16th best player?", below the image at the bottom, we see "HEN1 had 1.16 rating against Top10 in 58 maps". Where do we get this 1.16 instead of 1.13? Answer: In the featured ratings section on his profile (against Top10 opponents): hltv.org/stats/players/8565/hen1?startDa.. I'm sure most people don't know this. Hence, I pointed out for the benefit of the ones that don't know. If you did know, good for you :)
2021-01-06 04:36
2 replies
yeah i know, sry for behaving like this
2021-01-06 08:16
1 reply
It's all right. Have a nice day :)
2021-01-06 09:13
So what do you think,s1mple or zywoo will take the #1 spot?
2021-01-06 04:56
1 reply
My personal opinion is irrelevant. However, I do think ZywOo has a slightly higher chance to win. And I strongly emphasise "slightly", because most users don't seem to know how HLTV Rankings evaluate stats/achievements. Even senior HLTV.Org members have said "They are very very close".
2021-01-06 05:16
UPDATE: As confirmed by HLTV.Org Senior members, there are 8 elite events in 2020 - IEM Katowice, EPL - 11 and 12, IEM Beijing, Blast Fall Finals, IEM Global Challenge, and Dreamhack Masters Spring. Also, the minimum map count has to be 50 (so that CoL, Heroic players also get included). ELITE Events Stats: hltv.org/stats/players?startDate=2020-01.. You can also verify that Krimz was the "10th best player in the world" in Elite events, from Krimz HLTV Article.
2021-01-06 09:31
10 replies
#198
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France iatis
Strange that the RMR for RIO is not really considered. If Major is the most important tourney, then the team will try their best during those qualifying events. In a major less year, it should have been considered. Although it might be complicate because of the regional thing.
2021-01-07 10:01
3 replies
All RMRs have been reduced in weightage (you can check my 2nd last thread) for that. ESL Road to Rio, CS_Summit6, DreamhackOpen Fall have all reduced weightage. This could also have been a contributing factor for Navi being 2nd and Vitality being 3rd, this year. Even Blast Spring Finals (no NA teams) and Dreamhack Winter (No Navi, Vitality) were excluded.
2021-01-07 10:04
2 replies
#201
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France iatis
Sure, but in the end, the 3 teams are really close to each other. The same goes for S1mple and Zywoo, for me, they should share the top1 ranking this year.
2021-01-07 10:17
1 reply
Yeah :)
2021-01-07 10:37
rip XANTARES then
2021-01-07 10:23
5 replies
Stats aren't the only thing, though. Although, I think it's kinda tough now, for Xantares to be in the Top14. Let's see :)
2021-01-07 10:37
4 replies
yes but his stats is really low against top tier teams and on big tournaments. I love xantares, he is one of my favourite but i think he will be out. Brehze jks and krimz was questionable for me and especially jks didn't deserve it but it is what it is. He should be in there normally but we will see.
2021-01-07 12:30
3 replies
+1
2021-01-07 12:35
Just published a thread about play-offs ratings. Do have a look :)
2021-01-17 11:50
1 reply
okay thanks
2021-01-17 14:36
1. s1mple 2. zywoo 3. device 4. Niko but who Top 5-7 HLTV? electronic, blameF, ropz? please open someone a new topic for TOP 5-7!
2021-01-07 10:15
7 replies
Yes, it's definitely those 3 in top5-7. The order isn't confirmed right now. Electronic has slightly lower rating than those 2, however he's played many more matches at the highest level. I (personally, at the moment) think it could be Electronic at 5th, BlameF/Ropz at 6th/7th. But, it's debatable.
2021-01-10 05:45
2 replies
ropz is 7th confirmed
2021-01-15 04:01
1 reply
Yeah, it's really close between Electronic and BlameF, though. I wouldn't be surprised if either of them get it.
2021-01-15 09:08
#220
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Australia jks_top1
Look niko stats 1.24 vs top5 1.2 vs top10 Now look dev1ce 1.12 vs top5 and 1.15 vs top10 If Niko isn’t number 3 something is wrong
2021-01-15 09:15
3 replies
1) In "elite events" (very important), device is much ahead of Niko: hltv.org/stats/players?startDate=2020-01.. 2) In "big events' play-offs", I think device would once again be ahead of Niko with many more maps than Niko, since he has performed very well at play-offs this year. 3) device has 3 MVPs + 6-7 EVPs (at least). Niko doesn't really have many accolades. Once again, device edges him out. 4) Your point about ratings against Top5, Top10, etc is correct. However, I am not sure of that will be enough to overcome the first three points I mentioned. Overall, it still heavily favours device. That being said, I respect your opinion. Have a nice day :)
2021-01-15 09:21
2 replies
#227
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Australia jks_top1
I think dev1ce will be ahead too, 3 mvps vs 1, 4 event wins vs 1 I think it is very close tho I personally have Niko at #3 and I think he deserves it Unclear if electronic or blamef will be top5 either but I’ll go with elec simply because Katowice and having a Lan mvp And I think that pushes him over
2021-01-15 09:36
1 reply
Reasonable opinion :)
2021-01-15 10:14
#214
Bymas | 
Kuwait roye
this top 5 top 10 is frikkin nonsense, because some players like xantares will probably make lot of teams out of top 10, some noobs get undeserved place in top 10 so someone will get undeserved good stats against top 10
2021-01-11 19:47
13 replies
Xantares made it to Top20-Top30, as Twgir1 posted on twitter. It's sad. I had hoped he would've made it to the Top20. Just lacked the most important stats :(
2021-01-15 09:22
12 replies
#228
Bymas | 
Kuwait roye
he kinda made big clan dominant in summer definately deserved top 20, for example even i can have good stats it doesnt matter if i just play against NA players who ranked gold nova.
2021-01-15 09:56
11 replies
Yeah well, they can't rank based on subjective parameters. For example, gla1ve is perhaps the most important factor that keeps Astralis so damn godlike. But, we have no way to measure that, unfortunately. Similarly, Xantares had a great role in BIG's success. However, unless the important stats and achievements reflect it, he can't be rewarded :(
2021-01-15 15:57
10 replies
#239
Bymas | 
Kuwait roye
he could be awarded and he will be just not by some stupid hltv site list
2021-01-15 15:58
9 replies
I understand your frustration, my friend. Have a nice day :)
2021-01-15 15:59
8 replies
#243
Bymas | 
Kuwait roye
i mean i dont even like those players like xantares that much but calling some na players top 20 is big joke, eu is strongest these top 10-20 players would get destroyed by hardworkers who arent even pros but have big passions for cs and probably not even top1000 of best players. Yes i mean like lobaa would have chance to beat those listed players hard and similiar players like him.
2021-01-15 16:02
7 replies
They can't ignore NA players, dude. It wasn't their fault they were locked out. NA players had better ranks in 2019, when it was all LAN. It's unfair to remove them completely. It's understandable why you feel jks and brehze are undeserved, but it's not totally undeserved. Brehze was 8th last year with the same stats as this year.
2021-01-15 16:06
6 replies
#245
Bymas | 
Kuwait roye
i check last year brehze stats he does ok, i didnt knew him at all thats why i was mad xDDD ok whatever but i even i have european problems, like niko why he is in top 10 , he was outperformed by xantares and his teammate broky.
2021-01-15 16:10
5 replies
No, stop saying dumb things :D Xantares won a few titles, but he's not even close to Niko's stats
2021-01-15 16:12
4 replies
#248
Bymas | 
Kuwait roye
hltv.org/matches/2341579/big-vs-faze-dre.. this happened all day all night this year, broky niko xantares , look frags,not only one im too lazy to copy paste, niko top 100 list maybe he would make it, if we dont look what happened year 1998
2021-01-15 16:15
3 replies
??? HLTV Rankings aren't made using 1 match. See their overall performance: hltv.org/stats/players?startDate=2020-01..
2021-01-15 16:22
2 replies
#268
Bymas | 
Kuwait roye
it was only game, but ok xantares stats are average by this, but still look at broky> niko, broky like wont be even on the list and niko somewhat top 5
2021-01-15 16:44
1 reply
Yeah well. I guess Broky was also a bit deserving for top20. I don't see how broky>Niko, but ok. He's good, and better than jks :D
2021-01-15 16:50
Another evidence, that I just observed yesterday - ROPZ. Let's find Ropz's rating against Top10 teams in 2020. HLTV Top10 filter: hltv.org/stats/players/11816/ropz?startD.. HLTV Top10 filter shows Ropz with 1.13 rating in Top10 category. However, that's *WRONG*. Proof: hltv.org/news/30978/top-20-players-of-20.. Go to the "Why was Ropz 7th-best player of 2020?" section. Right above the "bold predictions", we can see that "Ropz had 1.15 rating against Top10 teams". Where do we get 1.15 instead of 1.13? Answer: In the featured ratings (against Top10 opponents): hltv.org/stats/players/11816/ropz?startD.. This should further verify the point of this thread, in case anybody is still in doubt.
2021-01-15 09:06
2 replies
Thanks for this!
2021-01-15 09:16
1 reply
<3
2021-01-15 10:19
#219
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Australia jks_top1
Thanks so many dumb people can’t figure out how to use HLTV and it makes it very hard to make arguement
2021-01-15 09:13
can u make this with 2018 or 2019 i want to see if dev1ce was close or far top get top 1
2021-01-15 09:24
6 replies
I had done an analysis for 2018 and 2019. To be very brief (not attaching any sources at the moment): In 2019, there's a good case for device being above s1mple, looking at their relative play-offs performance, performance in the biggest events, achievements (MVPs+EVPs), etc. s1mple was ahead of device in overall stats, as well as against Top5, Top10, and so on. Statistically, s1mple had beaten device in many categories in 2019, but not by a very big margin. device's achievements, and performance at the highest level, leads to a debate for 2019 Top2 spot. It was close. In 2018 however, it's an entirely different story. Doesn't matter which stat you take, impact rating, consistency rating, ADR, KDR, Opening Kills, Multi-kills, Overall rating, ratings against TopX, literally whatever you wish, s1mple's numbers were the highest, not just for 2018, but in all of Tier1 CSGo history. Till date, they are all-time CSGo records, unbroken. That year, there was "no scope for any debate" (quoting the HLTV article). device did have 13 (MVPs+EVPs) compared to 10 (MVPs+EVPs) for s1mple, and that's the only one thing in device's favour. Have a nice day :)
2021-01-15 09:36
5 replies
ty <3
2021-01-15 09:35
Well for 2019 yhea, the case for dev1ce to me was stronger considering the huge map difference between them against top 5/top 10 oponents. If we consider playoff ratings that year, dev1ce has 1.19 in 52 maps against s1mple's 1.24 in 28 maps : hltv.org/forums/threads/2214842/bigevent.. ZywOo had 1.34 rating O_o ? I knew he had better stats in playoffs and finals but that's 0.04 above his rating against lower opposition that year.
2021-01-15 10:19
3 replies
True. For example, Ropz has better stats than Electronic, but he's ranked below electronic, for multiple reasons. It was a spicy one last year. s1mple's raw numbers pushed him to 2nd spot. ZywOo, yeah. 2019 ZywOo was above 2018 s1mple, in one (and only one) stat. That was big events playoffs rating :D In everything else, 2018 s1mple > 2019 ZywOo. Also, numerically, 2019 ZywOo > 2020 ZywOo :D That being said, the reasons are understandable (role and roster changes)
2021-01-15 10:26
2 replies
Yhea :D this year though despite vitality's struggles with Alex not being motivated ,he still has 1.29 rating across the board in featured ratings, it's kinda weird to see ahah :D
2021-01-15 10:31
1 reply
+1 :D
2021-01-15 16:39
+1. Sad for konfig, I thought his 1.13 rating against top5, and being top3 in pistol rounds would grant him a place.
2021-01-15 15:20
9 replies
k0nfig, perhaps, deserved it more than some players on this list. As Twgri1's tweet said, k0nfig was definitely a contender for top20. Sad that he didn't have a high enough elite rating/achievements to get in :(
2021-01-15 15:58
I dont think that stats like pistol round rating are even worth to mention when you talk about the top 20 list. But k0nfig definitely deserved it over Brehze/jks/KRIMZ.
2021-01-15 15:58
7 replies
"I dont think that stats like pistol round rating are even worth to mention" wtfdym it's extremely valuable
2021-01-15 16:28
6 replies
+1 You're right that it's valuable. Exactly how much and how it's included in the calculations, however, is not known.
2021-01-15 16:30
2 replies
idk if they even consider it for the ranking, but it definitely should be there because it's extremely important.
2021-01-15 16:31
1 reply
They do. Prof said that they consider many different kinds of stats, that aren't even available on the site, for Top20. And pistol performance, rifle performance, awp performance are all looked at. He didn't divulge too much info. But, it's there. Edit: I haven't taken screenshots of everything, since no one would read all of it :D
2021-01-15 16:43
Zywoo and s1mple are the two highest players in pistol rounds. I bet a p250 sanddune that they are not gonna mention these stats in the articles.
2021-01-15 16:59
2 replies
Lol :D Play-offs Ratings are surely important though. Just published a thread about that. Do have a look :)
2021-01-17 11:50
1 reply
Good thread, I didn't know that with playoffs they mean the "top half of tournaments". I know that the playoffs rating is a very important factor but I don't think pistol round ratings are really important since the rating of the pistol round is only a small part of the overall rating at the end of the match.
2021-01-17 12:43
#258
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Denmark Humber98
Nice idea with this thread, but all the statistical evidence is based on a false conclusion. Professeur and Stryker say: Filter: Both Teams have to be Top10 f.e. Featured: The opponent team has to be Top 10 f.e. If this is true Featured must have more or equal mapcount than Filter. This is not the case if you apply it to s1mple/Zywoo. Idk why you come to the conclusion that what Stryker/Professeur said is wrong and you make your own explanation for it without evidence and say: Filter: Both/any one have to be Top10 f.e. Featured: Opponent Team has to be Top10 f.e. Lets take a look at Bntet: Top10 filter: 0 maps Top10 featured: 31 maps He never was in a Top10 team so what Stryker/Professeur said is true on the Filter. The reason behind the s1mple/Zywoo Featured<Filter is another which we both don't know. Your entire thread is nullified and you can't conclude anything out of your statistics. Investigation end.
2021-01-15 16:31
6 replies
Entire thread is nullified? The point of this thread was to prove that "Featured Ratings" are used in evaluation of HLTV Rankings, since they represent the performance *against* TopX teams, and not the HLTV stats filter. Perhaps, the HLTV admins I talked to, weren't fully sure of what they were talking about. However, this year's articles themselves prove that "featured ratings are what we should be looking at", as Striker himself said. Verification for Ropz: #216 Verification for HEN1: #179 I understand your point of objection. However, all this proves that they have themselves made a mistake in the stats database. It is obvious that if both the teams are to be in TopX, it should have far lesser maps than when only opponent is topX and the other is free to be anything. As we can see, it is not. The response that Prof gave me (#255) further drove me to make this thread. And it's not my fault if he did misunderstand my question. In conclusion, this thread was meant to prove to people, what is the actual way HLTV evaluates Ratings of players against particular bracket of teams. As the rankings show, as per what Striker and Prof said, it is "featured ratings", and we can verify it ourselves. That was the point of the thread. Thank you for your valuable input, and have a nice day :)
2021-01-15 18:39
I have to add something to this. If you were right about the ranking filter (both teams being top 5 at the time), how comes that there are more maps in that filter (85 for s1mple) than in the featured filter (53 for s1mple)? Seems like SWARN is right imo
2021-01-16 15:45
4 replies
#298
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Denmark Humber98
Did you even read my comment? Reread it and come back to me
2021-01-16 16:00
No, my friend :) Humber98 is right in pointing out that HLTV Stats TopX filter is not the case of either of the teams being TopX. What it is, is yet unclear, since both the teams being in TopX should have far lesser maps, logically speaking (as you have yourself noticed). However, that is not the point of this thread. This thread was to offer a concrete proof that "Featured Ratings" tell us the player's rating *against* TopX teams, and not the HLTV TopX filter. Striker and Prof confirmed that it is true. Also, #179 , #216 , #299 prove beyond doubt (being from 2020's HLTV Rankings directly) that it is indeed "Featured Ratings" that represent the player's performance against TopX teams. PS: Have a nice day :)
2021-01-17 07:50
2 replies
yeah, was my fault, didnt fully read the comment. Cheers
2021-01-17 10:45
1 reply
No worries. Do check my latest thread once. It's about playoffs rating. Tell me what you think :)
2021-01-17 11:49
UPDATE: SWARN151 we've literally talked about the mad lad who has done all the playoff ratings in 2019 to explain dev1ce kinda unfair #3. WELL HE'S DONE IT AGAIN ! OH BOY ! I'm linking both his thread : hltv.org/forums/threads/2403560/mvps-evp.. and his list with stats here :events.y0fl0w.de/ His data shows the saming playoff ratings for ZywOo in 2020 with 54 maps and a Whooping 1.34 rating just like last year ( how consistent is this guy really ? With playing the awp less, changing roles etc O_o what a robot). If his data is accurate, maybe stats aren't the narratives s1mple fans should be pursuing since ZywOo literally has 0.06 rating over him in the same numbers of maps ( 56 maps for s1mple, but ZywOo has more rounds total while arguably s1mple did better in groups, he drops off by 0.07 in playoffs which explains s1mple's higher rating in featured ratings, stats which contain both). I may do a thread about this to have discussions going to promote the guy doing it every year, he really deserves praise !
2021-01-16 04:09
16 replies
0.06* not exactly 0.07 For sure this year's top spot leaves a lot of suspense in the air.
2021-01-16 05:17
That might not be necessarily true. I am sorry for not sending this to you earlier. But, I didn't feel like making a thread about this :D Check this: imgur.com/a/H83QQgy He is a good friend, and one of the few guys on HLTV (like you :)) with whom I discuss stats. Read this, and see that the numbers kinda match, but there are many caveats, and we will not know for sure, unless the actual ranks are out.
2021-01-16 05:34
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How interesting^^ But I think our ropz fanboy did take into account the number of rounds played. I don't know whether he used it for specifics like the one you were talking with but he's not on his first rodeo. Kinda weird that the data provided only takes into account MVP worthy tournaments has that much of a gap between what he found and what our ropz fan found ( I mean he can't be wrong on this, he did it last year too flawlessly and here we don't concerns over filters as he is directly taking rating from games of playoffs themselves and put it into an average ~ -/+0.01. The only thing we found similar is that he leads in rating betwing 0.03 and 0.06 depending on the average is about, if it would have been higher than 0.06 then I guess there would have been a problem. I have to double check this but y0fl0w so I think his stats are correct, he didn't include RMR tournaments as they were not MVP worthy and finds very different results. Not including tournaments who are not MVP worthy should technically give an edge to s1mple I'd pressume since he had way lower ratings in these tournaments except for gamers without borders which doesn't make up for it. I'm trying to get a hold of y0fl0w in private message because knowning how he did the average will clear doubts. I mean his chart provides information on the number of rounds etc, so I don't think he's done any mistakes on that one.
2021-01-16 06:45
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Never mind he says the average is correct, it depends how you round up rating. He rounded up s1mple's rating to 1.28 rating while he said that there was a 0.05 rating diff between his group stage's rating which is 1.32. This means that he probably rounded up on the higher number for s1mple and didn't have the need to do so with ZywOo ( as his rating is 1.27 in groups and he states a 0.07 rating diff with playoffs) thus 1.34.
2021-01-16 06:55
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All right, then. I can't confirm or deny. Let's see :)
2021-01-16 07:00
So ZywOo has 1.34 and s1mple 1.32?
2021-01-16 14:28
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In playoffs according to his data s1mple has 1.28 rating (rounded up from 1.27) and ZywOo has 1.34 rating in playoffs. But I double checked everything and it seems to be missing events like IEM beijing, Global challenge, so bother of their ratings go up higher still by a large margin. ZywOo's rating in playoffs/ elite filter playoffs seem to be leaning towards the 1.4 rating more so than 1.3 rating. s1mple has incredible stats too as one would expect but a bit lower than ZywOo in playoffs while he is better in group stages.
2021-01-16 15:12
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Yo Luboss, I just confirmed with Striker, a very important point about play-offs. I made a new thread about it. Have a look :)
2021-01-17 10:57
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Nice! Well done ;) I'm honestly suprised by the way they're doing it (wasn't like that the previous years tbh). From my understanding of the year, this will favor s1mple stats greatly towards the beginning of the year but this means also that they will not include his CIS RMR performances as Na'Vi were not part of their definition of "playoffs"^^. Including ZywOo's RMR tournaments actually punishes him a bit because the opposition was really tough in them. I don't know about this, it's a bit empirical, so are stats. Let's wait and see.
2021-01-17 13:59
Check my recent thread once. You might have to redo the calculations :D
2021-01-17 10:57
But yhea we have to wait anyway. Still quite exciting trying to search for the leading numbers ahead of time, it just shows how impatient I am :D That was cool to know though. Thanks as always !
2021-01-16 07:08
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Yeah, it's not possible to confirm or deny, with surity. If we only consider elite events, ZywOo doesn't even have 133 maps in 2020. If we wanna talk about RMRs included, it's difficult to know how to factor that in, since RMR events are depreciated, and it doesn't include s1mple's RMR play-offs performance either. As Xachariah pointed out, Blast regular season finals, and showdown playoffs, change the result a lot. ESL Rtr, Dreamhack open fall, and DHM winter are 3 big events, in addition to 8 elite events. I don't have any evidence publicly available. Hence, I don't post about individual calculations/predictions. Have a nice day :)
2021-01-16 08:26
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You're right indeed, we're missing stats and data, I got too excited, I cooled off and reviewed a lot of things and tried some calculations. I double checked everything and it seems incomplete (it's accurate but it isn't completed) with a couple of events missing towards the end of the year which explains why both of ZywOo's rating and s1mple's rating go up by leaps and bounds, I mean from the photo you sent me, stats like 1.33-1.34 to 1.36 and 1.39 ratings in playoffs of big events are shown which is incredible, these two players are really amazing.
2021-01-16 15:24
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Yeah. Check this sequence of messages: hltv.org/forums/threads/2404321/5-electr.. I really think this is not gonna lead anywhere. I would rather not worry about that :D
2021-01-16 15:29
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That's exactly it! Haha it's missing parts. I checked Niko's stats too to compare him with dev1ce but there's no way Niko is #3 this year. Literally missing a couple of months of events changes too many metrics.
2021-01-16 15:32
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+1 There's a world where Electronic gets 4th, over Niko. Although, I don't think (personally) that it's gonna happen.
2021-01-16 15:36
Another *proof* that Featured Ratings are used for performance *AGAINST* TopX teams, and NOT HLTV Stats Fliter - ELECTRONIC Find Electronic's Rating against Top5 Teams: HLTV Stats Filter: hltv.org/stats/players?startDate=2020-01.. HLTV Stats filter shows 1.17 against Top5 teams. However, that's *INCORRECT*. Proof: hltv.org/news/30998/top-20-players-of-20.. Go to the "Why was Electronic fifth-best player of 2020?" section. Just above "bold prediction", we can see that Electronic had "1.21 rating against top-5 teams, the fourth-highest overall." Where do we get 1.21 instead of 1.17? Answer: In the "Featured Ratings" (against Top 5 opponents) on his HLTV profile - hltv.org/stats/players/8918/electronic?s.. Proof for HEN1: #179 Proof for ROPZ: #216 Have a nice day, my friends :)
2021-01-17 07:16
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Once again, thanks for this. I think everybody has learnt this by now, thanks to you :D
2021-01-17 07:24
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Thank you for the kind words! Have a nice day :)
2021-01-17 07:25
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Ty, you too <3
2021-01-17 07:26
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