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ZywOo | 
France 15yo_friendly_baguette 
the 2 best players of 2020 are obviously ZywOo and s1mple but who do you think is gonna get the 1st place this year ? and who do you think is better ? (u can think ZywOo will be 1st of 2020 also but u think that s1mple is still better) strawpoll.com/ywo9sa9zs strawpoll.com/qea6eaafg
2021-01-05 07:07
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#1
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Finland AleksiBOT
ZywOo is better and will be number 1
2021-01-05 07:09
25 replies
+1
2021-01-05 07:09
19 replies
#37
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France Chylvain2
you should also add a question : where are you from ? since 50% of HLTV is 12 yo kids from CIS they gonna brainvote for s1mple
2021-01-05 09:06
18 replies
Says the french guy ahahahaha
2021-01-05 09:15
13 replies
#46
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France Chylvain2
and ?
2021-01-05 09:32
12 replies
You Frenchies are no different than these "12yo kids from CIS who brainvote for s1mple" when it comes to Zywho,KEKW
2021-01-05 09:50
11 replies
But we are far less numerous.
2021-01-05 10:04
10 replies
And is it CIS fault that a lot of kids are interested in csgo and want to show support to a top player from their scene? It doesn't matter if u're less or more numerous,both sides act the same.
2021-01-05 10:07
8 replies
The point is how does it bias the results of the strawpoll so it matters retard
2021-01-05 10:07
7 replies
And who cares about some random strawpoll? Anyway from what i see zywoo has more % on top 1 for 2020 and s1mple has more % on the overall best player which i agree for both,zywoo might be the best for 2020 but when it comes to skillwise & highest peak,zywoo would be noothing compared to s1mple from 2018.
2021-01-05 10:09
4 replies
I car
2021-01-05 10:15
3 replies
i'm waiting for Apple Icar too mens))
2021-01-05 10:17
2 replies
im not tho
2021-01-05 10:17
1 reply
mens((
2021-01-05 10:18
What about all the brain dead s1mple/CIS haters prob just as many people vote zywoo because they hate s1mple.
2021-01-05 10:16
1 reply
shhh,don't ruin his own voting statistics mens((
2021-01-05 10:17
And not as biased as CIS commentators. The frenchmen haven’t ruined zywoo for me due to not being unrealistic and over hypeing him as those from the CIS region has done with s1mple.
2021-01-05 18:59
s1mple is obvs better, but Zywoo will be top 1 for this year.
2021-01-05 10:19
1 reply
not really, i'm ready to bet on s1mple for this year
2021-01-05 15:06
#96
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Russia Kir1323
i think that zywoo is better
2021-01-05 14:58
#121
B1T | 
Europe Gigska
Hltv ranking makers are 12 y.o. Kids from cis)
2021-01-05 17:42
nt all0 Destroyed a top 10 team and not even top 30 anymore xd
2021-01-05 09:33
2 replies
#51
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Finland AleksiBOT
P0mple_csd0g 🤡🤡🤡🤡
2021-01-05 09:34
1 reply
all0_csb0t
2021-01-05 09:34
Zywoo 6 MVPs, s1mple 2 MVPs... I think it's pretty clear
2021-01-05 09:46
0/8, after I saw your nick, I understood why you said that.
2021-01-05 17:44
Zywoo no question
2021-01-05 07:09
4 replies
smort danish
2021-01-05 07:10
not so smart danish
2021-01-05 09:33
vari smort danish
2021-01-05 14:29
#129
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North America 007DBR9
smort danish
2021-01-05 18:02
#5
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Ukraine Dert_
99% to 1% zywoo
2021-01-05 07:10
2 replies
s1mple 100%
2021-01-05 09:33
1 reply
#119
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Ukraine Dert_
wouldn't happen
2021-01-05 16:32
Top1 could go either way, it's really really close, much closer than people think. Skillwise, at the moment, ZywOo seems a little better.
2021-01-05 07:12
37 replies
imo it isn't that close
2021-01-05 07:14
35 replies
Well, statistically s1mple is at an advantage, as per striker and prof. Both in terms of rating *against* TopX opponents, and in the 8 "elite" events of 2020. In terms of Team achievements and consistency, s1mple is at an advantage, also evident by team rankings. ZywOo takes the lead in terms of MVPs. But, RMR events and MVPs are depreciated a lot, confirmed by striker. Katowice MVP is much higher than a regular S-Tier MVP (almost like a major), same goes for both Pro-Leagues. However, it's not just about MVPs. Electronic got Top4/Top6 with 0 MVPs and just a few EVPs. ZywOo should have 2-3 EVPs this year. s1mple should have 8-9 (once again confirmed). You can check either of my last 2 threads for proofs. I have attached screenshots of conversations with striker and prof.
2021-01-05 07:20
34 replies
ZywOo should have more than 2-3 EVPs Also, in the events they count, ZywOo has a better rating than s1mple
2021-01-05 07:20
21 replies
No, he does NOT have a better rating. The "elite" events are IEM Katowice, both Pro leagues, ESL One Cologne, Blast Fall Finals, IEM Global Challenge, IEM Beijing, and Dreamhack Spring. Minimum map count set to 50. s1mple is at 1.30, ZywOo is at 1.27 s1mple's ahead against Top5, Top30. ZywOo is ahead against Top10. Tied against Top30 and Top50 (check my last thread). HLTV TopX filter is a different thing. About events/MVPs importance (check my 2nd last thread) ZywOo doesn't have more than 2-3. You can count yourself. Most of his good events are MVPs. From the ones that aren't MVPs, only 2-3 involved deep runs with a good rating. Rest are bombing out.
2021-01-05 07:33
20 replies
Anyway 6 MVPs + 2/3 EVPs > 2 MVPs + 8/9 EVPs
2021-01-05 07:25
11 replies
Except, 2 of 6 are depreciated (check my 2nd last thread). Katowice is like double of regular. Also, EVPs are very important. 2 EVPs of Krimz - pro-league and Katowice are enough to get him to 17th with just 1.08 rating and 1.01 impact.
2021-01-05 07:27
10 replies
anyway I think ZywOo will get it
2021-01-05 07:28
9 replies
Sure, I think so too. But, it's a 55-45 case, not a 99-1 as you think. "They are very very close" - in the words of Striker.
2021-01-05 07:30
8 replies
kk
2021-01-05 07:33
#38
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Russia ToughGuy
but with everything u said it's clear that s1mple has more chances, no?
2021-01-05 09:06
2 replies
I only clarified the stats/tools that are used for ranking. The ranking itself, however, is quite debatable. It depends on what is valued more after adding everything. It's tough to predict that, especially since they're close in many ways.
2021-01-05 09:15
#43
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France Kaaai
MVPs are usually really important so in fact, you can't really tell what hltv will do.
2021-01-05 09:16
Honestly, after everything I've read, whether it's you or the others. I think we are on a real 51-49%
2021-01-05 13:55
3 replies
this guy is depreciating the rmr tournaments a lot and they were a big part this year. it's navi's fault why they didn't perform better in cis and it's not an excuse.
2021-01-05 14:20
2 replies
For me it will be taken into account. This is for the major, ZywOo performed better than S1mple against much stronger opponents. Each statistic, fact, is taken into account I think. That's why it's so tight Each has an argument to say they are better than the other this year
2021-01-05 15:00
1 reply
That's why for me, we are on a real 51/49%
2021-01-05 15:01
#28
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India somecunt
They didn't took blast springs where ZywOo has good lead, so biased Lol
2021-01-05 07:38
7 replies
Well, Blast Spring and Dreamhack winter are both out, because apparently they don't have a "high level of competition".
2021-01-05 08:45
6 replies
#36
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India somecunt
They eliminated every possible top teams to reach there and it wasn't an elite. Joke
2021-01-05 09:04
5 replies
It's obviously controversial. However, I think they based it on the fact that Blast Spring Finals didn't have the best North American teams (separate region), unlike Blast Fall Finals. Even if you did include all such events, the result is actually even more in s1mple's favour: hltv.org/stats/players?startDate=2020-01.. PS: If you wish to remove NA from this, feel free. That won't change the order of EU players, obviously.
2021-01-05 09:12
4 replies
#44
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India somecunt
There should be 9 elites in total ,don't add other events to favour s1mple ,I can add RTRs for zywOo but It's not fair. ZywOo should have 4 Elite MVPs,2EVPs in 9 elite tournaments.
2021-01-05 09:20
3 replies
Well, I didn't make that one :D This is what you want to see, probably: hltv.org/stats/players?startDate=2020-01..
2021-01-05 09:28
2 replies
#69
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India somecunt
Yes, this one.
2021-01-05 10:09
1 reply
Actually, it's this one :D hltv.org/stats/players?startDate=2020-01.. In #45 default map count is too high. This list here has CoL and Heroic as well, now. Min map count set to 50
2021-01-05 10:15
#14
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United Kingdom Tarrix
i dont think its close after hltv said mvps play a big role, 99% zywoo will be #1
2021-01-05 07:22
I averaged the featured rating average for both and s1mple has a 0.01 rating advantage while zywoo has 0.04 impact advantage, so statistically they are pretty equal. ofc hltv can cherry pick events to influence these ratings. striker also confirmed he doesn't influence the list much.
2021-01-05 10:19
10 replies
Featured ratings aren't averaged. That doesn't make any sense mathematically. That would mean counting the same things over and over again, each a different number of times. I already showed you that rating 2.0 subsumes impact rating, along with ADR, KDR, Kast, Opening kills, Multikills, and clutches. HLTV has actually cherrypicked events, to form the "elite" events list. Other factors like highest rating in playoffs, highest rating in Finals, highest group-stage rating, consistency rating, etc, are also picked. Individual components of rating 2.0 are only highlighted for readers' interest. They do not have a separate impact on rankings, because that would be double counting. Striker/prof don't influence the ranking much, but they know who and what does influence it. I have always asked him only HLTV's line of process.
2021-01-05 10:31
9 replies
2021-01-05 14:29
8 replies
That it's counting all the matches played, simultaneously? I was saying that if you try to average Featured ratings Top5/Top10/etc, each TopX already includes all Y, such that Y < X, obviously. Hence calculating a weighted average for that is obviously multiple-counting. Hence, simply look at the last Featured Rating for an overall average. HLTV however, tends to prioritize certain filtered ratings, instead of Overall rating, for example: Rating in elite events/big events, ratings in playoffs, ratings in Finals, etc. The additional point was, when rating in any situation is considered, components like K-D, impact, etc are already counted. They highlight the deciding components of rating 2.0, because rating 2.0 changes owing to differences in these components' values.
2021-01-05 14:45
7 replies
meaning s1mple's stats aren't better. you are just depreciating rmr events alot. Again, I hope HLTV won't do the same.
2021-01-05 14:52
6 replies
Yes, his stats aren't better taking all the events into account together. I never disagreed with that. I was talking about the filtered ratings they consider, as I mentioned before (#80 , 2nd paragraph), most importantly ratings "at the highest level of competition" aka big events/elite events, where s1mple has a significant lead. They prioritized this for KrimZ. In addition, they tend to prioritize the TopX, where X is 5,10,20, 30 where their ratings are different. I am not depreciating/appreciating anything. I am not expressing my opinions at all. I just told you exactly what Striker said HLTV was gonna do. Check my 2nd last thread, 2nd image, for that. I just conveyed the message. What I said in #23 is mostly because of his MVPs, which obviously means I am not personally depreciating anything. According to what Prof and Striker said about HLTV's rankings, Katowice and its MVP is like a Major MVP, carrying the biggest weight. Also, "RMR events will be depreciated, regardless of the region", implying 2 out of his 6 are depreciated (again, I am not the one saying that). What we can guess is, since Navi was 2nd and Vitality was 3rd, RMR events are depreciated a lot. Otherwise, Vitality would have been ahead. Now, if you recall, there's only 2 events in 2020 where Navi/s1mple wasn't in play-offs (one is a CIS RmR, and other being ESL One Cologne). For the rest, if you check player stats and team placings, s1mple has 7 EVPs. If you do the same for ZywOo, since they bombed out of 3 big events, ZywOo has 4 important MVPs, 2 RmR MVPs, and 2 EVPs. s1mple has 2 important MVPs (one of which is very important, as confirmed), 0 RMR MVPs (no MVPs in CIS), and 7 EVPs. Once again, I am not giving my opinions about this. This is a fact - EVPs are important. Electronic was top4/top6 with 0 MVPs and a few EVPs. 2 EVPs at EPL-11 and Katowice was "alone enough" for Krimz to be "above the peaks of many players". Hence, this makes it very close. That's all I said.
2021-01-05 15:36
5 replies
+1 agreed.
2021-01-05 15:39
You are wrong about EVP's. Zywoo will have at least 3 if not 4 hltv.org/forums/threads/2400559/zywoo-vs..
2021-01-05 18:45
3 replies
Oh I'm sorry, I had edited my earlier message that said max-3 with just 2, because the rest were out in group stage. That's because I've never seen someone below 5-6th place in a tournament, get an EVP. Hence, 7-8th, 9-12th are all bombing out, because that's basically getting knocked out in the 1st/2nd match of a tournament (depending on if there's a lower bracket). You can check yourself. Even 5th-6th is very rare. Elige was a rare case. That's why I had said max 3 earlier.
2021-01-05 18:54
2 replies
In this event Liquid was the second worst team and he still got an EVP: liquipedia.net/counterstrike/BLAST/Pro_S.. and rightfully so, so why shouldn't zywoo? he even had higher rating in IEM Global Challenge than elige did at blast (1.40 compared to 1.38)
2021-01-05 18:54
1 reply
Fair enough :) Mistake on my part to assume 7th-8th too low for an EVP/MVP, I accept.
2021-01-05 19:02
s1mple #1
2021-01-05 09:33
Zywoo. I bet my house on top 1 men
2021-01-05 07:17
2 replies
+1
2021-01-05 07:18
#35
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Russia ToughGuy
how u can bet whole house when there's not only your shithole apartment i doubt u live in penthouse or something
2021-01-05 08:58
#11
Bymas | 
Kuwait roye
i dont even think zywoo deserves top 3
2021-01-05 07:19
1 reply
agreed bro
2021-01-05 09:35
That German sniper from BIG should get it, he really carried his team to success.
2021-01-05 07:22
9 replies
is there a movie about German sniper from WW2? i think there is
2021-01-05 07:27
8 replies
#24
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Denmark Notallama
Enemy at the gates?
2021-01-05 07:30
2 replies
Nice Movie!
2021-01-05 07:31
1 reply
#81
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Poland Qzn25107
true
2021-01-05 10:31
INTO THE MOTHERLAND THE GERMAN ARMY MARCH
2021-01-05 09:42
4 replies
#83
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Russia ToughGuy
COMRADES STAND SIDE BY SIDE TO STOP THE NAZI CHARGE
2021-01-05 10:41
3 replies
PANZERS ON RUSSIAN SOIL A THUNDER IN THE EAST
2021-01-05 14:28
2 replies
ONE MILLION MAN AT WAR
2021-01-05 18:01
1 reply
MY NAME IS CLINT EAST
2021-01-05 19:13
individual s1mple so much better but zywoo just have better team
2021-01-05 07:27
4 replies
xaxaxaxaxa
2021-01-05 07:28
+1
2021-01-05 07:31
#34
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Russia ToughGuy
wut
2021-01-05 08:56
you mean zywoo is a better teamplayer while s1mple is always bait his team
2021-01-05 09:07
There is one about the most famous of snipers, White Death: youtube.com/watch?v=JOBxKnM9J2s But he was from Finland, not Germany.
2021-01-05 07:28
1 reply
great video, thank you :)
2021-01-05 19:08
#29
ropz | 
India icle
ropz top 1 others AWP abusers
2021-01-05 07:41
1 reply
Plopski better
2021-01-05 07:43
#32
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Canada MiLkBaGzz
s1mple better due to having played longer. Currently zywOo is playing better & if his form stays up then he will surpass s1mples legacy
2021-01-05 08:48
theyre gonna cop out and its gonna be a tie
2021-01-05 08:50
s1mple is better but zywoo deserved top 1 this year
2021-01-05 09:37
s1mple best player in the world by far. Anyone who says otherwise is delusional or low tier baiter.
2021-01-05 09:37
11 replies
zywoo way more consistent than s1mple
2021-01-05 10:03
4 replies
AHAHahahahah
2021-01-05 14:38
LMFAO
2021-01-05 15:02
s1mple way more consistent than zywoo*
2021-01-05 15:42
#141
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Serbia LtN))
AXAXAXAXAHA
2021-01-06 18:24
zywoo better
2021-01-05 10:38
4 replies
0/8
2021-01-05 15:03
3 replies
2021-01-05 15:03
2 replies
#142
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Serbia LtN))
2021-01-06 18:24
1 reply
2021-01-06 19:32
+1
2021-01-05 15:02
No NiKo in poll 0/8
2021-01-05 09:43
ZywOo from tier 50 to tier 1, best player in the world when he arrive s1mple tier 1 since the beginning, struggle to be best player
2021-01-05 10:02
France gonna be rioting when zywho gets 3rd
2021-01-05 10:16
#86
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United States PP_Bizon
Zywoo and s1mple are both at the same level rn, imo zywoo could surpass s1mple as he is younger and has more time to reach his peak
2021-01-05 14:24
where is dupreeh in the poll????
2021-01-05 14:33
4 replies
Top 1 poll not top 1000 poll
2021-01-05 15:05
3 replies
s1mple is in the poll so it must be a top 1000 poll... maybe its a top 1 baiter list! that explains everything
2021-01-05 15:11
2 replies
Its actually Top 1 poll and s1mple top 1 player thats why s1mple is in the poll.
2021-01-05 15:13
1 reply
yes! its the top 1 baiter poll, thank you for reminding me i almost forgot!
2021-01-05 15:41
Knowing HLTV is 50% CIS users, these results say a lot
2021-01-05 14:38
8 replies
#95
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Russia ToughGuy
not really s1mple just more popular in the world not only in CIS
2021-01-05 14:56
1 reply
even worst then.
2021-01-05 15:43
s1mple has way more international fans. Proud to say I'm one of them
2021-01-05 15:04
And 20% or more voting against s1mple imfao
2021-01-05 15:10
#109
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Korea ramza72
lol should i say HLTV user 80% s1mple haters
2021-01-05 15:11
2 replies
the opposite bro
2021-01-05 15:44
1 reply
That's why hltv is flooded with s1mple hate threads smh my head
2021-01-05 16:40
#127
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Brazil ghcnvbkn
I disagree, to be honest, recently I have only seen about 5 users sucking the s1mple balls, but I see people cursing him almost daily
2021-01-05 17:56
zywoo will be no1 and he's better overall, better gamesense, smarter playstyle, and he's better teammate I can agree s1mple is better in terms of raw skill, but difference isnt big enough to overtake zywoo
2021-01-05 15:03
1 reply
0/8
2021-01-05 17:44
#108
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Korea ramza72
why we still do this lol HLTV site so many s1mple haters
2021-01-05 15:10
1 reply
#125
B1T | 
Europe Gigska
Yea, I remember same during jan 2019, billion threads every day - device top1, s0mple no chances etc..))
2021-01-05 17:46
zywoo is the better player but with how much theyre valuing katowice they might put s1mple over him
2021-01-05 17:45
Zywoo is worst is terms of baiting
2021-01-05 17:48
1 reply
You cannot compare vitality and navi. Vitality has so many better players than Navi(only s1mple and few times electronic)
2021-01-05 18:57
bump
2021-01-06 18:13
#139
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Sweden frizzahh
I like zywoo more, but for have s1mple been better overall
2021-01-06 18:20
#140
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Serbia LtN))
s1mple
2021-01-06 18:24
who bumped this
2021-01-22 16:39
9 replies
#146
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Brazil ghcnvbkn
#143 was in 2021-01-06, so i believe you are the guy who bumped
2021-01-22 16:51
8 replies
wtf I found sherlock holmes
2021-01-22 16:57
7 replies
#148
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Brazil ghcnvbkn
🧐🧐 ez
2021-01-22 16:59
6 replies
and btw you will get 10y banned so you won't ever get to 50k comments thats the unfortunate ending
2021-01-22 17:01
5 replies
#151
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Brazil ghcnvbkn
wtf delirious, why so rude? no problem, i have all the time in the world to start over. The only problem is that my classes will be back in March, I will probably be less active
2021-01-22 17:02
4 replies
Sorry mens, I wanted to warn you. but in general I just had 1 comment left until a round number so I wanted to write a random comment
2021-01-22 17:05
3 replies
#153
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Brazil ghcnvbkn
congratulations man!!! 🥳🥳
2021-01-22 17:06
2 replies
ty mens)) btw congratz with 10k))
2021-01-22 17:06
1 reply
#155
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Brazil ghcnvbkn
I got it a long time ago, but thanks anyway. I need to farm comments before my classes start but I can't stand using hltv all day anymore.
2021-01-22 17:08
S1mple is just better
2021-01-22 16:48
NiKo top 1
2021-01-22 17:01
Many delusional s1mple fans here based on the results, ZywOo top1
2021-01-22 17:09
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