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What are your thoughts on this roster move? Personally, I think nothing is good about this. We just received a lion's share of the worst fanbase in CS:GO. This puts much more pressure on Liquid's players. On top of that, Liquid's fanbase will be seen as much worse than before. Not only that, FalleN is washed up, and according to the welcoming video, it's not even guaranteed that he will be IGLing.
rip
*actually stew was his teammate for quite some time, he had to "assure" the rest of the team that it's a good move to sign him, otherwise dunno why would they go for Fell. The thing is how the rest of the team will get along with him. Synergy will either be visible or not within few months.
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No if Stew really believed in old players like Fallen he woudlve stayed on mibr
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I don't remember the reason behind tarik's and stew's departure from mibr but I doubt it was solely fallen.
This guy has some valid points as well.
hltv.org/forums/threads/2402484/liquid-b..
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that me!!!
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I though you was very wrong about Brazilian sponsors but the other points are valid
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since Brazilian cs fans are now interested in Liquid because of FalleN, there is more reason for sponsorships between Liquid and Brazilian companies
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Yeah, maybe Ambev or some plantain farmer
Pretty sure they wanted to go back to a full Brazilian roster and that's why they removed Stewie and Tarik
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yea, and taco wanted to transfer to mibr because of that, so stewie was traded. then they got rid of tarik for felps, since tarik couldnt speak portuguese
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really
2019 intel grand slam
The team had to make a change, they were in bad form for some time, that's the perfect time to make a move like this, it can't be much worse than they already were. Plus maybe playing in a team like Liquid will make him more motivated and he'll play better than in MIBR.
If Stew's the IGL then FalleN can focus on his individual performance. If he's the IGL then Stew probably becomes a better player individually than he was. Twistzz was playing poorly so either one of them will be a firepower upgrade.
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times have changed so much. 2 years ago if u told me fallen or stewie were a firepower upgrade over twistzz id tell u to visit a psychiatrist
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+1 very sad tbh
imagine loosing nitro and twistzz for this xaxaxaxaxa
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+1 😔
Fallen will save liquid 🤩🤩🤩🤩see the magic
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"Pre-FalleN Liquid Fans come here"
btw, we get it, ur biased
Ok
LIQUIDOS TOP 1 LETS GOOOOOOOO
LETS REKT EU NOBS!!!!!
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shut up
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#8 second part
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the worst
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#4
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why do brazilians have to be so mad?
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Hmm, why are you calling someone mad, when you literally created a post to whine?
Just to be clear, are you some kind of hipster? Since liquid is going to have a ton of guys cheering for them(because of fallen), now it's not cool anymore.
I will cheer for fallen, but i couldnt care less about liquid.
If you do really like liquid you should just be enjoying that your team is gonna get bigger from now on. Maybe not better, but definitely bigger.
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me asking pre-fallen liquid fans about their thoughts on this roster move = whining? lol ok
and i never said liquid is any less cool, im saying that the new fanbase will negatively affect liquid. and i dont give two shits about liquid's popularity, i care about their results, their personalities, their gameplay, etc.
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You saying that the team will not be good without even seeing how they perform, is pretty much whinning.
Liquid was not performing, and as far as i know twistzz was not kicked, so it's not like they are kicking someone to let fallen in.
I dont see how a bigger fanbase can negatively affect a pro team. Only the opposite
and you care about their "personalities" WTF?
If that is the case Elige has always said he looks up to fallen, and they are good friends.
And aside from dumb HLTV people, every pro player that talks about fallen, only has good stuff to say.
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and i want to be fluent in english just like you
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>"You saying that the team will not be good without even seeing how they perform, is pretty much whinning."
This makes 0 sense at all. Me taking a stance on Liquid's future situation is not whining. But since you're Brazilian and you guys know a lot about whining, maybe you're right.
>"I dont see how a bigger fanbase can negatively affect a pro team. Only the opposite"
A bigger fanbase can negatively affect a pro team by putting much more pressure on them to play the best they can. When it comes to the Brazilian fanbase specifically, you guys are known for shitting on teams when they don't perform.
>"If that is the case Elige has always said he looks up to fallen, and they are good friends."
This has exactly 0 to do with EliGE's personality but okay.
"And aside from dumb HLTV people, every pro player that talks about fallen, only has good stuff to say."
I'm sure leaf, xeppaa, Vanity, Jonji, mCe, and steel would agree with this wholeheartedly.
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>"This has exactly 0 to do with EliGE's personality but okay."
One person's personality doesn't define whether he likes another, what you say is totally forced, only time will tell how the team will react to it, but one thing I know, Fallen is a great player and EliGE and Stewie has a great relationship with him ...
>"I'm sure leaf, xeppaa, Vanity, Jonji, mCe, and steel would agree with this wholeheartedly."
This is out of the question bro, how do you want to compare what people who played against think with what people who play with him will think, ridiculous...
"A bigger fanbase can negatively affect a pro team by putting much more pressure on them to play the best they can"
You can't be that dumb.......
If you are afraid they are gonna collapse because of pressure from fans, imagine when they go to a LAN with people cheering, screaming and booing them. Maybe that's why liquid is known as choquid, they can't handle pressure.
"I'm sure leaf, xeppaa, Vanity, Jonji, mCe, and steel would agree with this wholeheartedly."
thank god cheaters and matchfixers dont like him.
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why is that? u, a new liquid fan, thinks I, someone who has fanned liquid since as long as ive watched cs basically, doesnt deserve anything even tho i know liquid far better than you do
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nothing has gone well with fallen on the team for the past 2 years, so its a completely fair assessment
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if you're way above your teammates, you will stand out greatly, even on a bad team
ITT a bunch of brazilians who can't read
Lol, a team with fanbase that hate each other
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no one likes brazilians tbf
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Brazil is now half the fanbase lol
50% fallen simps
40% na fans
9% other
1% Dutch fan cuz Dutch org = Netherlands cs #1 ))))))
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they wont be half the fanbase within 3 months once fallen gets kicked. then brazilians will start shitting on liquid, something the org likely realizes and knows they have brought this upon themselves.
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I think we should let them show what they are capable of. Maybe not the best move ever, but who knows... Fallen's personality is easy to get along with, so I believe he will fit fine in this regard. Stewie was very likely advocating for him, which is a very good sign imo as he knows Fallen's way of thinking about the game and thinks he's a good pick. People talk a lot about him being washed up but you know HLTV, let's wait and see. I hope it works out.
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thank you for being civil in your response. as for being washed up, well... the stats dont lie. sure there isnt that large of a sample, but his rating was like 0.75 against top 10 teams, the level of teams liquid will be facing at blast spring. on top of that, fallen wasnt even igling during that period. i guess im hoping for him to improve his game, but seeing how hes way past his peak, its unliekly
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stewie's mid round calling is anything but what liquid is missing, because stewie was mid round calling during liquid 2019
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I think that depending on the statistics, especially the old ones, n is not even a test for me at least, he is a good awper, with the awp in hand I would say that it is more consistent than naf or stew, and the igl issue, he is extremely experienced and has a huge winning mentality, maybe that’s what it takes to regain everyone’s confidence, since for me there’s no doubt that twistzz didn’t trust his game as much as before and it may be that other players feel that way too
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north americans have run this team since 2015, and will continue to. we never needed ur toxic fanbase and we never will.
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Yeah it's still a good adition.
Fallen + Elige + Stew already have some chemistry, plus a main awper (he still got it, believe) will lead to absolute freedom of his colegues.
I can see Elige being a f*ucking number 1 star player with the freedom hes getting.
It doesn't matter if he will IGL (I rather not tho), there were worse difficulties in TL roaster than this.
As for the fanbase, can't say much, but I would't worry as I care shit of behaviour but my own.
Liquid suck before fallen anyways.
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liquid were showing some signs. they just sucked in NA cuz NA plays much more differently. liquid in EU was starting to become good then this bombshell was dropped
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quite sad tbh, i hope liquid has none of fallen's bullshit
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niko on g2 was praised for all the right reasons. niko didnt have to igl anymore and he was becoming the star fragger he was always supposed to be. its not like he was playing shit on faze before he joined g2. fallen's only real prospect was that he was an igl, and in the liquid announcement video, it sounded a lot like he wasnt even going to igl on liquid, so he has no real value over someone like junior, who hasnt even peaked yet and is playing better than fallen
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g2 is not looking worse wtf
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it did have its chance when liquid got 2nd at global challenge and were looking decent, then twistzz got dropped
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i like it :D
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well the thing is twistzz didnt want to play support. SO, if fallen replaced stewie instead, twistzz wouldnt have had to play support, and couldve played entry instead. this couldve made twistzz back into the star player he always deserved to be. i doubt twistzz truly wanted to leave liquid
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I believe if Fallen come back even remotely close to his old self liquid will be a top 5 team again, they really needed igl
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i would be slightly more ok with this roster change if FALLEN EVEN DECIDED TO IGL IN THE FIRST PLACE. idk if u watched the liquid announcement video, but it sounded a lot like he wasnt even going to be an igl, and he would just focus on his awp game, which is ANYTHING BUT WHAT LIQUID NEEDS. liquid has more than enough firepower to win, his awping will be quite useless if there isnt proper igling
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????? where in liquipedia does it say he will igl
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Great move, FalleN is playing very well, everyone that watches his streams knows it. Brazilian fans are very passionated, the amount of pressure should only be a problem if they start playing poorly. I dont think thats going to happen. Liquid has a lot of potential to become top1 again and FalleN seems the perfect fit for it.
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his streams = fpl pugs. FPL means jackshit, especially NA FPL. even guardian is fragging in fpl, that doesnt mean hes good rn.
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if under 0.8 rating against top 10 teams in the last 6 months isnt underperforming idk what is
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Hard to get high ratings when your team is always losing. FalleN had to AWP which in the current meta is a very demanding role and also IGL which is the biggest and most demanding role and never less, he was still above his teammates. IN Liquid he will a better team around him and would have an opportunity to do better.
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he did not igl towards the tail end of mibr's career, but i guess thats mostly a fair assessment
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thats fair. i hope to god im proven wrong. some retards in this thread think i want liquid to lose, but thats far from the truth. i want to be proven wrong because from everything ive seen from fallen in 2020, this is anything from an upgrade.
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me taking a stance based on fallen's stats as of his most recent games and performances does not make me a hater
I wish that they had picked up Vanity instead, but the move might work.
I am kinda pissed that now Liquid has a bunch of toxic FalleN fanboys spamming everything.
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+1 i agree with this 100%
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I mean he beat MIBR while he had a coach standing in soooo
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*imminent
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I had to google it because I forgot the difference between imminent and eminent lmao
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vitality fans talking.
I don't care how the fanbase appears really. I genuinely like TL as an org. I think they do a great job by their players and set a standard for being an esports org. A FalleN move is kind of risky and I think everyone recognizes that. I will go in cautiously optimistic. If they do real well then I don't see the problem and If they don't then we will need to make the changes.
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It's also a good opportunity to take a risk since they weren't doing that great anyway.
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I belive fallen is basically the brazlian Nitr0 great awping great igling, when it was stewie igling in Liquid they were going of emotion and hype, same thing as like kng IGL if the fire power isn’t working and there hype isn’t there they die they suck. But with fallen coming in I belive there igling styke will be better, the strategy will be there, and they will have the fire power to strike unlike with the old Liquid, I belive this liquid will be like 2018 pre Stew liquid.
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bad take. let me explain why. liquid has so much firepower, but not enough leadership, not enough tactical gameplay, not enough igling. they need someone who can make them more than just a pure firepower team, and lead them to wins. fallen not igling wont be able to do that.
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so fallen will be igling or not?
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dont know, liquid seem pretty cryptic about it. the liquid announcement video seemed as if fallen would not be igling but focusing on his own game
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i hope fallen will take igl and awp, he is so much batter than stewb0t
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stewie10am is bad but not as bad as fallen =D
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we'll see
There's no way brazilians can be worse than NA fanbase
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im sure u havent followed cs since before 2021 then
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Nah, brazilians just get baited all the time it's funny af
And NA are always crybabies braindead fans that keeps complaining and cry when EU says NA no scene
I think this move either goes well for Liquid and they get what they needed, meaning an IGL and dedicated AWP. Or the team completely underperforms and falls apart. Fallen has had 2+ years with some of the best Brazilian players he could possibly get and has not thing to show from it since they won a tier 2 tournament in 2018. I personally think that Fallen's style just doesn't work as well as it once did. it doesn't seem like he's changed up his playstyle or tried adapting to meta shifts. Hopefully, he will bring something new to Liquid, but if he doesn't then I don't see this working out at all.
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name doesnt check out
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sorry mens
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what are u sorry for? im saying ur not an idiot :D
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Oh i was joking
high-level csgo has many variables and firepower is one of the least important:
whoever thought broky would perform well in t1
or mibr would play well
or heroic would win t1 events
or gambit would win a major with no names
or vp would perform well on lan after being dogshit for months
the average csgo player/analyst is just clueless and cringe in their attempt to predict outcomes like they're playing pokemon
-stew
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towards the end of mibr I adamantly believe fallen's style grew stagnant. I think fallen's playstyle is too obstinately based on the past metas and too incapable of adapting
in a lot of the mibr matches I wtached their t side was way too slow and their ct side was too unresponsive. It felt like mibr didn't know how to take map control or trade kills, likely catalyzed by fallen's stagnant leadership
People shit on FalleN because of the failure of MIBR, but look at what he had to work with on that roster. TACO had completely gone to shit. Fer's aggressive flank player style had become easy to read. kNg was solid but was nowhere near good enough to just hard carry the squad to relevance. The cycling 5th player was never a good fit for the role the squad really needed because they were locked up in FURIA. The failure of MIBR is not entirely FalleN's fault. He simply didn't have the same pieces to work with as he did in the past. With Liquid he has everything he needs. He has NAF, ELiGE, and Grim in good form, and Stewie is a world-class player in his role. If he can't make this teamwork then maybe there is something to be said about him being washed up as an IGL; however, for now, I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.
bro NACS always been a meme, you guys will have a chance to win shit now, chill and watch the boss teach your NA kids idols how to not choke and win titles on lan.
we (brs) are just necessary evil, you guys have the best and most confortable position in whole cs scene since csgo started, we coming from 3rd world country, our players with not enough beds to sleep on did more in 2 years than your whole scene history, so stop being a soft winy kid, and see the bright side of the situation.
thats why na is a joke, fallen didnt even join yet, u soft kids are already crying LMAOOO
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brazil and NA go trophy for trophy lmao
+1 you said everything, people hating br and not admitting that we are the best
EU and NA as 1st world countries have easy acess to new technologies and shit, im pretty sure that they were plating 400fps since the beginning, here in brazil we pass through lot of stuff and they don't even consider
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players like TACO coming from nordeste to SP without money just for the passion of the game
these motherfuckers will NEVER understand that, if NA players had to do shit like that, they would quit in the first week LMAO
While I agree that the BR scene is overlooked by most, I have to disagree that all people in EU and NA have the best equipment just because we live in a first world country (Personally wouldn't consider USA a first world country anymore). I get 150-180 FPS on my PC max, most of the time I sit between 120-150. Before that, I was playing on a laptop that got 30 fps. Brazil is great for cs, no one can deny that.
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no twistzz so i dont car. though its a good change since fallen is not washed up at all and can still perform at a high level, id rather have twistzz in grim out like it shouldve been when nitr0 left
from his last games on mibr he seemed to be ok individually with the same core that he's been playing with for years, im sure he's a lot more motivated now so he'll do even better. i honestly have pretty high hopes for this move.
I think it has a chance of going really really well or really really badly and nothing in between. He's still a good player individually, just can he keep up with this team which is the first in a long time where he's not the leader and can he not get into any drama is the question.
It's just easy to put all the blame on fallen for the lack of results in his recent time as an IGL. He didn't have the best conditions at all since Coldzera left MIBR. He promised in the welcoming video that he still studies CS a lot day by day and he's pretty confident that he can keep up with the meta changes nowadays. Skillwise he's not in his primetime but you know how good he can be when given space and momentum, so you can't really say he's washed up cause he has had a worse period lately + he said he will help the team a lot in a sense that he will pour all his knowledge about the game into the stratbook so that alone is enough to tell he's going to IGL and I strongly believe he has the knowledge to completely adapt and revolutionize his IGL style when in a different scenario/team/environment. We can just wait and see, but personally there's not really much of a reason for one to think this project is going to fail before it started.
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In the HLTV article, it was stated that they're not sure whether he will take the IGL role over from Stewie or not. I'd hope he does, but you can never be too sure. He said that he was joining to primarily fill the void awper role, and that he was fine with IGL'ing or sitting back and focusing on just awping. We'll just have to wait and see.
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Brazilians are the biggest crowd on cs:go, you can't deny that.
It's good for every player to know he have a big crowd cheering for him (unless he have very low confidence).
The only move Liquid need is -bot2k +fallen
But now rip
I know I wasn't supposed to be here, but look, it's an upgrade:
hltv.org/stats/players/compare/7687/nitr..
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bad move
I just rly hope we get back old BAD FALLEN
youtu.be/gKN9RXmOj3U
Not a Liquid fan, but I do rate the move.
FalleN is an awping IGL. That solves two problems for Liquid right off the bat. Someone can actually IGL, and someone can CONSISTENTLY use the awp instead of just having two or three secondary awpers on one team. Even if FalleN decides with Liquid that Stewie is gonna stay the IGL, FalleN will be able to help Stewie as a secondary caller just like Stewie did for FalleN during his stint on MIBR.
Liquid has a good IGL, and a PRIMARY awper instead of a secondary. On top of having three insane raw aimers in EliGE, Naf, and Grim. Plus they're gonna have the Smoke Criminal back now that he doesn't have to focus 100 percent on calling and strats, since FalleN will be able to help early round with calls since Stewie has always been more of a mid round caller.
I think it'll work and they'll be a hard team to play against. Definitely not Top 3 still, but I could see them Top 5 maybe. Top 7 or 8 more realistic.
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+1 tell em
Nitr0 bestests.
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brother???
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In arms <3 I miss you mannsss congrats for making it to #8 this year! Ours is a friendship forged once in this life and again in the next. Goodbye, my brother!
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forever rooting for nitr0 in valorant
already won the first valorant major, s1mple still 0 majors
He will be igling
+1 on the fans situation
i miss nitr0 more than ever
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+1 Been watching him play since ibuypower but never have I thought on making an acc dedicated to him, just a stranger passing by in hltv on all those years & realize it's too late when I did so because he's already gone. Will sorely be missed, thank you for the legacy Nitr0 for what you've left behind! #cringetime
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+111111
I am literally the no. 1 twistzz fan fuck do you think my thoughts are
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