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ROBBED PLAYERS THREAD
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Russia NorthRussian 
Note:Robbed players doesn't mean they 100%,players who has similar skill+achievements as ones who get into top20 also can be in this thread This thread is similar to 0-15 thread where every pro who had 0-15 listed,including misutaaa and k1to My list of robbed players by 2 main HLTV admins who makes top20(As I remember 1 of them is Tw1grils or something like that): Mantuu Valde Broky Mir Shiro Ax1Le K0nfig Coldzera XANTARES TeSeS CadiaN Xeppaa Poizon Jame acoR Kngv TabseN REZ shox RuFire U can also write robbed players I forgot in this thread
2021-01-13 13:25
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Agree with RuFire
2021-01-13 13:27
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who?
2021-01-13 13:52
8 replies
Imagine not knowing RuFire
2021-01-13 13:57
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#44
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Romania SplaXie^
not knowing who?
2021-01-13 14:53
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RuFire
2021-01-13 15:03
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#55
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Romania SplaXie^
i am more known
2021-01-13 15:39
2 replies
No way You can't be more popular than alive meme
2021-01-13 15:59
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#69
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Romania SplaXie^
i am alive too
2021-01-13 16:34
#52
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Serbia LtN))
+1
2021-01-13 15:18
RuFire - no Team yes insane player
2021-01-13 18:18
You forgot degster, woro2k, 1mapala and daunkere
2021-01-13 13:28
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#37
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Poland Mickol
yes, all russian cs players should be in top 20
2021-01-13 14:31
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I think monesy doesnt deserve it, he is too young yet
2021-01-13 15:50
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#58
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Poland Mickol
doesn't matter, let's include unborn too
2021-01-13 15:53
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Then top 20 will be filled only with russians
2021-01-13 15:53
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#60
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Poland Mickol
that's the point, doesn't matter that top 20 will be actually top few thousands, but fuck it, russia supreme country
2021-01-13 15:55
Yes 1mapala great achievements last year
2021-01-14 03:29
mantuu and valde for sure robbed
2021-01-13 13:30
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Yes Also if G2 had quite better year(At least 1 final won),nexa and kenny would be counted as robbed too
2021-01-13 13:32
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kenny couldve made top 20, under 15, but yea he couldve made it, good first half of year, good showing on lan and whatnot
2021-01-13 13:34
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Now in online he rages most of the times goes for 2016 flicks but can’t land them and dies of this
2021-01-13 14:36
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It wont last long, soon NiKo kicks him and he will try to land his shots in tier 3 teams
2021-01-13 15:52
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Yes and then kick Nexa because not enough room for Niko
2021-01-13 16:31
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yes and then NiKo adds another amanek to make space for him, then kicks hunter to add even more amaneks because hunter is taking too much space and NiKo wants more space for himself
2021-01-13 16:45
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It was actually the opposite in FaZe
2021-01-13 17:55
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wym?
2021-01-13 18:04
No because Hunter will become Niko’s Rain
2021-01-13 20:18
#80
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United States kami917
Mantuu was disappointing in big matches, and valde had only been playing like a top 20 player for the last few months of the year.
2021-01-13 18:18
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just looking at stats here, but mantuu had 1.14 rating vs top 5 teams, and 1.11 against top 10 teams this year, the numbers dont look bad at all
2021-01-13 18:21
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#91
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United States kami917
The numbers are good but doesn't show the amount of crucial shots he missed, in a lot of the big matches they've played in. IEM NY was a good example of that.
2021-01-14 02:44
Remember the list is not rating the "best players" just added computer stats. HLTV top 20 has very little to do with the top 20 best players of 2020.. HLTV do not use any human factors. its all computer coded.. its based on numbers, stats and such, and that will never show how much vallue a player gives a team in any sport, or how good he does it because some roles hurts your stats more, but overall gives more for the team. HLTV top 20 is just about who scored highest on some stats a computer put together. Its like rating a goal keeper and a forward and a defensive midfielder with the same stats, and based on the stats, a player that is worse and does less for his team can score higher stats. People always make it sound like top 20 is about the best player of that year. But its not. its not like the football version where people vote for the one they think done best. there is no objective look on HLTV top 20.
2021-01-13 13:33
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+1
2021-01-13 13:59
why krimz top 20 then
2021-01-13 16:46
yes but value of these stats are chosen by hltv admins so its not like computer is chosing top20, its still their job
2021-01-13 18:15
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Regardless. the outcome will never be about who is the best cs player, meaning having most vallue to the team he is on,
2021-01-13 18:34
+1+1+1+1
2021-01-14 10:27
half or even more don't deserve to be in top 20
2021-01-13 13:34
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Do KRIMZ,jks and Brehze?
2021-01-13 13:46
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maybe krimz but jks and brehze nah
2021-01-13 13:55
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Fnatic what achievements in 2020? Also 1.08 rating
2021-01-13 13:57
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ok i agree maybe this year hltv top 20 should have been one for EU/CIS and one for NA
2021-01-13 13:57
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I think top20 should be splitted by regions (Top20 EU,top10 NA) etc. But HLTV doesn't think that I agree with you here
2021-01-13 13:59
EPL 11 was stacked AF
2021-01-13 18:39
#9
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Asia loveall
Jks, krimz and brehze didn't deserve, so do 80% of the people in the list you mentioned.
2021-01-13 13:51
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I listed 20 players,what is your only 4 who deserves top20?
2021-01-13 13:56
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#19
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Asia loveall
I would say mantuu. xantares, valde, k0nfig/shox/broky.
2021-01-13 14:00
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#96
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Switzerland Titan))
shox OMEGALUL
2021-01-14 03:26
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#109
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Switzerland Titan))
0.99 vs top 5 opponents (38 maps) 1.01 vs top 10 opponents (78 maps) 1.05 vs top 20 opponents (144 maps) Shox had 1.05 rating in 2020. he wasnt robbed a spot in the top 20, that's why he is top 30 Mantuu sure, k0nfig maybe, xantares no (1.01vs top 5 opponents)
2021-01-15 01:16
wtf is this list lol? 0/8
2021-01-13 13:57
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So you think Brehze,jks and KRIMZ deserved and nobody got robbed? 0/8
2021-01-13 13:57
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i didnt say that nobody got robbed but 90% of your list doesnt make any sense and 90% of your list didnt deserve it more than them at all
2021-01-13 13:59
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So only 2 players from the list deserves? Which ones?
2021-01-13 14:08
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the only players that could be considered are k0nfig, mantuu and maybe valde but thats it. the rest of your list is 0/8
2021-01-13 14:11
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XANTARES?TeSeS?broky?
2021-01-13 14:13
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-xantares with 1.03 rating from elite events? no. was tarik in top20 with 1.05 rating in big events with major mvp on top of that? no -broky the least impactful awper? no -teses has literally average stats vs top teams(1.04 vs top5, 1.02 vs top10, 1.06 vs top20) but i guess that you are typical user who see only overall rating from whole year and doesnt care about the rest. like i said your list is trash
2021-01-13 14:18
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The only 2 "elite" Events in this year is BLAST Premier Spring series and IEM Katowice 2020 Only broky played in that events
2021-01-13 14:28
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no, there were like 8 elite events. get your facts str8. wont waste more my time. keep thinking that shox, xeppaa, cold etc etc etc deserved it more...0/8 bye
2021-01-13 14:29
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What are the rest 6? IEM 🤡nline challenge? Lul
2021-01-13 14:32
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The ranking is based off of hltv's opinion, they have already outlined the '8 elite events'
2021-01-13 15:04
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By top20 HLTV confirmed what they can't into rationalism
2021-01-14 21:34
+1
2021-01-13 15:07
You must be on crack to write that xepa should be in top 20.
2021-01-13 14:03
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He played better than Brehze actually
2021-01-13 14:15
iits called top20,not top50
2021-01-13 14:05
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U think you will write ZywOo here if s1mple will become top1
2021-01-13 14:14
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s1mple have no chance for top1 my friend,top1 is alredy known
2021-01-13 14:15
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Well nobody expected KRIMZ,jks and Brehze in top20 So everything is possible
2021-01-13 14:16
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that's different
2021-01-13 14:19
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#92
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Russia AliasNamer
Vi ne ponimaete, eto drugoe
2021-01-14 03:11
Agree with Mantuu
2021-01-13 14:21
frozen
2021-01-13 14:25
jks krimz brehze magisk dupreeh kscerato all undeserved spots
2021-01-13 14:34
Agree on the last mentioned As for the others, 0/8
2021-01-13 14:35
Come on Vladik. Xeppa? Ax1le? Rufire? Kngv? Rez?
2021-01-13 14:42
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Xeppaa > Brehze
2021-01-13 15:56
#43
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Brazil Nicolito
Mantuu Valde Broky Shiro K0nfig CadiaN
2021-01-13 14:53
If they put Zywoo above S1mple it's officially a shit list
2021-01-13 15:06
This list is absolutely disgraceful to the whole counter strike scene. How can you put 3 players from a region that is objectively weaker than EU in the top 20 but the IGL of a team who was nr1 (cadian) doesn't even make it, even though he put in the work both frag wise and in game leading? What is more, the writers actively try to sabotage the integrity of the pro scene. You can tell it if you read the articles. It seems like someone was given five minutes to create a list that encompasses the whole world and has something for everyone. I wouldn't be surprised to see device nr 1 and simple as nr 3. Before someone says "online doesn't count" - it does. If more than a year is played exclusively online, then it is legit. The situation being as it is, a good player and a good team will adapt to the more puggy aspects of competitive play online. To conclude, I am absolutely disgusted with this top20 list and I would really advise for the HLTV staff to look into giving the writers the axe. It feels as though someone who doesn't care about the pro scene put it together.
2021-01-13 15:12
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Kuwait roye
sh1ro and broky better than most players, even players from top 10 list, like broky was out performing niko this year so hard, xantares beat niko this year many times
2021-01-13 15:15
#51
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Japan Peine
Hltv rankings was a joke all year long with Furia in the top 3 and EG top1 because they valued NA tournaments as much as EU ones, was expected to get a trash top 20 as well
2021-01-13 15:17
NT Rufire, No Chinese or Australian players. This list is a joke
2021-01-13 15:18
perfecto!!!!!!!!!!!!
2021-01-13 15:19
broky lol
2021-01-13 15:56
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Broky > every player from top15-20
2021-01-13 16:01
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xd
2021-01-13 18:16
Fifflaren Xizt GeT_RiGhT f0rest friberg All got robbed by NiP CEO and Robban, stolen paycheck, tournament money, disgusting
2021-01-13 15:56
Allu Xseven
2021-01-13 16:03
+1 on K0nfig being robbed The guy's entry stats are absolutely nuts against top 5 teams! Something like 49 opening kills and 47 opening deaths. Doesn't sound impressive when you first look at it, but when you consider that's against teams like Na'Vi, Vitality, Astralis, BIG, and Heroic at various peaks in the year, those are some insane numbers.
2021-01-13 16:10
#74
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Brazil ghcnvbkn
5.3/8
2021-01-13 18:18
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Why u rating this list
2021-01-13 18:17
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#78
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Brazil ghcnvbkn
im rating the bait
2021-01-13 18:18
ez
2021-01-13 18:39
#85
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Japan Amatsuk1
I can't argue more but almost all stats are based on 1 big event.... which is katowice which robbed/pushed the players that are not involved (just like sryson and xantares) Big didn't participate the event (not a big fan though) syrson should've been on the higher end of top 10 (maybe 7 or 8) .
2021-01-13 18:45
#86
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China HEIDASHUAi
k0nfig broky mantuu robbed jks brehze and KRIMZ shouldn't be there jks and brehze farm NA KRIMZ 1.08 rating ???
2021-01-13 18:45
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#87
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Japan Amatsuk1
I agree with you but on broky not much valde should've been there
2021-01-13 18:46
#88
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Peru devbot
You forgot esetag
2021-01-13 18:50
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overrated lol
2021-01-14 09:48
zywho should have been at least 19. but i guess maybe next year. :^( rip
2021-01-13 20:29
#93
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Russia AliasNamer
1. RuFire 2. Overdrivezzz 3. PASHANOJ
2021-01-14 03:12
people care too much about this lmao kids, the top20 rank dont translate to the best player sometimes like when fnatic won everything and olof was way ahead of everyone, ok... hes clearly the top1, but outside that, is just people counting the KD, achievments etc, dont care THAT much about top20, cs is way more than that.
2021-01-14 03:16
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Top20 best players by HLTV is like richest people's by Forbes,so ofc everyone cares about this ranking
2021-01-14 21:36
#95
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Europe Gigska
Solek Hunden Forsaken Ramzikboss Edward Seized Flamie
2021-01-14 03:22
add s1mple to this list in advance
2021-01-14 03:52
you must be on crack to think shox should be in top 20 he played dog for the first half of the year
2021-01-14 04:07
20+ players got robbed?? who is supposed to make it to top20 then lol
2021-01-14 04:11
deffo Xantares and Konfig for Krimz and Yurih, maybe Broky for Brehze
2021-01-14 09:55
After watching all OG games this year, I feel atm valde is slightly overrated (at least against tier 1 opponents) and mantuu is overrated quite a lot despite playing a very good year (this guy was a RIFLER in tier 3 team when he was picked up, he was like 3rd or 4th name down a list NBK and Aleksi were checking). In order to deserve a HLTV top20 spot a player has to shine in pure individual skill and I feel like in OG every player is benefiting from the excellent antistratting and structure of the IGL which is case of someone like Aleksib is a MASSIVE force multiplier to everyone. You all saw how sergej talents were utilized in ENCE and he would have been top10 player if Aleksib wasn't kicked in the middle of the year. Unfortunately the online era has fucked up the NA scene completely, but make no mistake: During a normal LAN year a shit ton of NA players would be fully deserving of top20 position and neither mantuu nor valde would have any chances to get even close. However the stupid corona situation has caused people to spam threads about players getting robbed who normally dont deserve top20 anyway. I agree fully that the list is controversial, but I have no doubt that NA is still chock full of players who are legitimately top20 material and not because their team happens to have a superstar IGL or they benefited from online era in other ways. TLDR: I'm ok with the top20 results and think they are mostly fair (even furia players) even if the METHOD is disagreeable and wrong.
2021-01-14 11:23
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TeSeS,broky & especially XANTARES >>>> Brehze,jks and KRIMZ,even in skills terms
2021-01-14 21:37
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1.57
BIG
1.65
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2.19
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1.70
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2.23
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