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ZywOo or S1mple
ZywOo | 
Russia Loutcho_Q 
OK GUYS, I know it's the 9999999 thread with this theme BUT, i want real arguments with proofs, who will be #1 this year, thanks
2021-01-14 09:40
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dev1ce
2021-01-14 09:41
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xantares
2021-01-14 09:41
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rip
2021-01-14 09:55
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this is all time comparaison men :/
2021-01-14 09:42
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#11
device | 
Turkey c0ir
zywoo have 1.29 rating 1.38 impact 2 cup 6 mvp s1mple have 1.29 rating 1.34 impact 1 cup 2 mvp isn't obvious?
2021-01-14 09:44
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yes sure it's a big difference omg
2021-01-14 09:45
Except, those ratings aren't used for rankings. They are just the front-page highlights stats reel. If they were making decisons based on those ratings, Krimz and Magisk wouldn't have made the list. Overall annual stats aren't of primary importance. There are other statlines that are prioritized :)
2021-01-14 10:35
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#78
device | 
Turkey c0ir
why 2018 vs 2020? XD
2021-01-14 15:18
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#105
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Canada MiLkBaGzz
is joke because you did all time vs all time instead of 2020 vs 2020
2021-01-15 03:08
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at the beginning i thought its career vs :D because 2020 already obvious imo
2021-01-15 03:47
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18 map vs 7 map
2021-01-15 06:11
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yeah dude, u gotta carry ur team to reach 18 maps. U gotta win. nt btw
2021-01-15 18:27
#6
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United Kingdom novaseer
ZywOo deserves it with his performance, but IEM Katowice is weighted far too much so s1mple will probably get it.
2021-01-14 09:42
2 replies
good vision
2021-01-14 09:43
He wont get it, chill.
2021-01-14 09:45
zywoo and it's obvious
2021-01-14 09:50
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okayy <3
2021-01-14 09:56
To be very brief (seriously): 1) Most important stat: "Elite events" performance, where s1mple leads significantly. 2) 2nd most important stat: "Big events playoffs" performance, where they are probably tied. 3) Another stat that's sometimes taken into account: Rating against TopX teams - s1mple leads *against* Top5, Top20, Tied against Top30 and Top50. ZywOo leads against top10. Note: HLTV TopX filter is different (my last thread for proof, and #179 on that thread for a live verification) 4) Achievements: ZywOo 6 MVPs vs s1mple 2 MVPs. ZywOo expected EVPs are about 3, s1mple's expected EVPs are about 7. Hence, 9 (MVPs+EVPs) for both. Now, IEM Katowice is weighed very heavily (my 2nd last thread for proof), while RMR events are depreciated (my 2nd last thread for proof). These are the "deciding" factors. Individual components are often highlighted for readers' interest. However, they aren't necessary for shifting the decisions made by using above 4 points. Overall, it's pretty equal for both. Fans of both sides might disagree, but I have personally confirmed all of it with HLTV.Org senior admins. PS: Have a nice day :)
2021-01-14 09:52
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Theyre not tied for top 30,zywoo is ahead mobile.twitter.com/HLTVorg/status/134468..
2021-01-14 09:54
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Ok... did i say anything about that? R*tard
2021-01-14 10:01
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??? 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️ #34
2021-01-14 10:06
But ZywOo has 6 MVPS and s1mple only 2 MVPS
2021-01-14 10:01
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EliGE 1 MPVs #8 2020 yuurih 3 MVPs #14 2020 omg 🤔🙄
2021-01-14 10:05
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Elige is much better than yuurih like ZywOo is much better than S1mple
2021-01-14 10:05
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ZywOo is much better than S1mple....? s1mple is much better than zywh0*
2021-01-14 10:07
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they said the same in 2019 but ZywOo #1 2019 and s0mple #2 2019
2021-01-14 10:08
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s1mple #1 2020 fatwh0 #2 2020 /closed
2021-01-14 10:11
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definetly not, ZyGOD #1 again
2021-01-14 10:13
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2021-01-14 10:17
Did you even read what he wrote 🤦🏻‍♂️
2021-01-14 10:05
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Ofc i did,he said they are tied against top 30 teams when they are not
2021-01-14 10:07
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> Note: HLTV TopX filter is different (my last thread for proof, and #179 on that thread for a live verification)
2021-01-14 10:12
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the tweet does not say if its using the topx filter or not it just says the highest rated players in 2020 against top 30 teams
2021-01-14 10:16
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Who cars about what tweet says if you can just check it Both have 1.29
2021-01-14 10:19
The tweet is about a different thing. If you wanted an example of what they are actually doing for rankings, you can check #55 . That should make it clear to you :)
2021-01-14 10:26
why are you debating about hltv rank when you clearly dont know how to properly use the page lmao
2021-01-15 11:51
What they posted on twitter, is about HLTV Top30 filter. What they actually consider is a different thing. Here's a live verification for you: hltv.org/forums/threads/2399599/top5-10-.. What they consider is "featured ratings". It was confirmed by Striker, and you can check the link in this message for checking yourself. Have a nice day :)
2021-01-14 10:24
very close my friend
2021-01-14 10:01
Save time guys tldr; s1mple is top 1 by far
2021-01-14 10:15
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+1
2021-01-14 10:28
2) I think s1mple might be leading Grand finals rating, but playoffs rating I am not sure about it.
2021-01-14 15:23
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I'm pretty sure i read somewhere that s1mple leads in playoffs, i might be stupid tho
2021-01-15 11:51
#120
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Finland HARD4ENCE
1 MVP of IEM Beijing Haidian was robbed from s1mple and handed to player of the winning team, that being ZywOo, so there is that.
2021-01-15 11:05
s1mple #1 2020
2021-01-14 09:57
In my opinion probably s1mple, because of the fact that he has better statistics when looking at the "Elite events" only. I understand that zywoo has more opening kills per round and a higher impact statistically. You also need to remember the factor that s1mple has less consistent teammates than zywoo and that is the reason s1mple doesn't play those bad roles.
2021-01-14 09:58
where are my S1mple boiis at ? S1mple real top1.
2021-01-14 09:58
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+1 s1mple #1 2020
2021-01-14 10:01
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imagine answer to yourself with your smurf : Signed up 2020-12-14
2021-01-14 10:03
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Nt vodka blyat
2021-01-14 10:08
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fake flagger
2021-01-14 10:09
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fake flagger
2021-01-15 04:04
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yes and ?
2021-01-15 20:43
Zywhoo top 2. cry is free
2021-01-14 10:55
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2021-01-14 13:47
Zywoo cos he aced with 9 hp
2021-01-14 10:03
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+9
2021-01-14 10:03
Rip logic human
2021-01-14 10:38
#33
woxic | 
Turkey w0lix
all time s1mple but in 2019 and 2020 zywoo better than s0mple
2021-01-14 10:04
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+20
2021-01-14 10:05
#41
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Brazil cadik
zywoo is real carry, open fragger, clutcher s0mple is stats padder doesn't even deserve top10
2021-01-14 10:08
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+41
2021-01-14 10:09
Cry mad
2021-01-15 11:46
zywoo ofc, the goat s2mple noob baiter
2021-01-14 10:13
#49
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Ukraine wegg
1 - ZyWoo/s1mple 2 - dev1ce 3 - NiKo 4 - blameF 5 - ropz 6 - electronic 7 - XANTARES
2021-01-14 10:15
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+1
2021-01-14 15:55
S1mple won top1 of 2018 ignoring Device's MVPs, cuz S1mple was better statistically. This will happen again. Because we are choosing not the best team, but the best PLAYER.
2021-01-14 10:27
#65
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Ukraine McSwell
MVP-s amount should not be as important, quality of them should. That's why NaVi ranked above Vitality in 2020 teams rank. So zywoo is actually ahead only in KAST and Impact stats. Everything else goes for s1mple.
2021-01-14 10:32
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2021-01-14 10:36
s0mple just baits and gets the all frags while hes team dies, zywoo is just fucking god who plays for hes team and doenst bait
2021-01-14 10:34
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#73
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Korea ramza72
Everyone can bait, but s1mple can kill everyone with bait, you can bait but if you noob for what? That a different!! Fpl player so many they say " I will bait for u s1mple " that mean he know s1mple can kill clutch kill everyone after his friend die
2021-01-14 10:43
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You're right, the man can clutch! The question is : is it good for his team? I remember flamie having 1.37 rating at a major in 2018 and was considered one the hottest prospect of the scene. Perfecto is a great clutcher when given the chance. If Na'Vi was dominant with that playstyle, no problem, but anytime s1mple has an off game, it costs them. And that's why teams like Vitality or Astralis are more consistant. IEM Beijing, s1mple dominated in the first two maps > ez But in the maps that mattered, he vanished, and they got reverse swept. Same against Astralis at EPL. If he learns to handle the pressure, ok, but he can't.
2021-01-14 15:45
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Yhea that's true, not allowing players to do more various things will make them worse. You have to let your teammates kill people, play differently than just bait them into oblivion etc, it's important for the confidence boost.
2021-01-15 11:42
You can't control that and you can't know that ! A better player will miss clutchs another player who is worse will make. Playing so much into a player like Na'Vi's playstyle isn't as sustainable as it seems to be. Na'Vi always does great at the beginning of the year and then fall off, and then come back, ups and downs. Pressuring players who already have bad equipment, positions, low confidence and a huge CIS community is trashtalking them and blaming them instead of the star players which they play and sacrifice for is just sad. That's not beautiful CS. For me, Astralis and Vitality are playstyles which are more consistent, have a better team chemistry and thus maybe a bit more successful if we take 2019 and 2020 into account.
2021-01-15 11:40
Pretty close. I want S1mple to be no 1. Let's see. But one thing is for sure. Rip hltv forums from the time no 2 will be releaved
2021-01-14 11:04
Zizou <3
2021-01-14 15:19
both insane but ZywOo is better
2021-01-14 15:23
Zywoo 6 mvp medals 2020 simple 3 ... rating +- is same vitality 2 elite events win 4 runner up navi 1 elite events win 2 runners up zywoo 1 simple 2
2021-01-14 15:26
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s1mple only 2, but MVPs of the biggest tourneys of the year. also more EVPs You're implying ZywOo's accomplishments > s1mple's but HLTV think otherwise, as Na'Vi is #2 team this year.
2021-01-14 15:41
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3 Elite Event MVPs for ZywOo. 2 Rmr tournaments which may be underestimated but still important given the level you need to have and 1 at the first blast. Only Katowice's MVP is the most important.
2021-01-14 19:28
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they wont count rmr sadly
2021-01-15 11:53
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Maybe not as much as requested, but they won't be 100% ignored, that wouldn't make sense. Honestly, especially in Europe it was three very tough tournaments
2021-01-15 13:26
Zywoo TOP 1
2021-01-14 15:30
In the end, it depends on HLTV standards. This year was strange and it looks like the most hard fought #1 ever. Almost same statistics, basically same accomplishments (#2 and #3 team this year) LANs for Na'Vi, more wins for Vitality and more finals... ZywOo more MVPs, but s1mple more relevant MVPs and more EVPs Imo, it should be ZywOo, cuz I feel like s1mple's statistics are inflated by Na'Vi's playstyle, but yet he can't get a fair lead against a player oftenly sacrificing himself for the team. But I don't think HLTV go too much into playstyle analysis, so it will go to s1mple bcz of Katowice.
2021-01-14 15:39
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Good take
2021-01-15 11:36
#86
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United States Valerence
I think my balls itch, so zywoo
2021-01-14 15:40
zywoo number 1. really hard 2 argue.
2021-01-14 16:36
p1mple
2021-01-14 16:51
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p0mple
2021-01-14 18:43
I think they should put bigger weight on team playing abilities. And even if S1mple played very well in group stage against astralis for example they then lose in the final. For me it's easy ZywOo over S1mple but I would put Device infront of both of them because the way device play he wins for the team and get less good statistics. And in strange ways S1mple wins MVP over Device when they are coming second or third.
2021-01-14 19:38
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Although its supposed to be the best PLAYER, not the best TEAMPLAYER :/
2021-01-15 11:54
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But csgo is a team game, without team skill your not a good PLAYER. You may have the best stats but it's worth nothing if you are not a team player and win nothing except hltv best player. I think that navi could be sok much better if sImple become a better tramplayer and sacrificed his stats to sometimes chase players and take away the last rifle from the opponent than thinking of his stats. That would make him a better player and give him more tournament wins. Look at Device how many times he has unnecessary death just because he is chasing players to give his teammates better next rounds.
2021-01-19 00:12
s1mple skill wise >>> but ZywOo has a way better team, not his fault anyway, s1mple is the one that likes to play in NAVI
2021-01-14 19:39
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2 player noobvi top 10 , 1 player vitality top 20 Better team? Ok
2021-01-15 03:38
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Faze showed in 2019-2020 that having great players individually in a team not make of that team a good one, and NAVI only has 2, the rest of the team is just the rest...
2021-01-15 05:11
#121
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Finland HARD4ENCE
Problem isn't playing in NaVi. Problem is NaVi delaying inevitable roster changes for far too long. Flamie is on a countdown if he can't deliver in early 2021.
2021-01-15 11:18
Yet Na'Vi #2 team of 2020, weird.
2021-01-15 11:35
Are you gonna tell me that RpK and apEX, even a 28yo shox are more skilled players than Boombl4, flamie or Perfecto? Problem is their playstyle pushing for s1mple to go into clutch situations, trades and easy opening kills instead of balance. They break their player's mental and team balance in the round playing that way.
2021-01-15 14:49
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bro, from what I watched maybe any Global ranker is better than Boombl4 and Perfecto, especially Boombl4, his aim is way too inconsistent
2021-01-15 18:09
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LMAO ok delusional or low iq
2021-01-15 19:23
#112
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China VeryXxGuy
devee
2021-01-15 05:25
i wish it was s1mple but im pretty sure it will be zywoo
2021-01-15 11:15
i dident watch last 6~months of cs but im pretty sure its #1 ZywOo #2 S1mple
2021-01-15 11:18
Either way it's gonna be a very close decision. If I were in charge I would've given it to s1mple just to intensify their mutual competition. As we all know, s1mple is a super hardworking yet emotional player and #2 might havely affect his morale which is no good for the overall scene.
2021-01-15 11:30
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Bro that's literally trying to control fate and being biased. You shouldn't connect to a player so emotionally if you're doing a ranking, even if you like them, you should find arguments from a CSGO perspective in-game not outside of the game.
2021-01-15 11:43
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It's not about my bias, bro. Technically, though I'm not an expert, zywoo should get 1 this year but it might do a disservice to the community because s1mple getting reassured second year in a row might lead to him losing his mojo and desire to compete. Would you rather see a competition between the two or a domination of one of them? I choose former because I think games are all about trying to overcome your opponent - it's not your regular subordinate-style job.
2021-01-15 11:42
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How do you know it won't make him even better as result ? Make him change playstyle and being a bit more agressive, like he was in 2018 ? I don't really like his current playstyle he has since 2019, he became too laid-back to have any decent impact. Electronic is having lower and lower stats per year since 2018 but he is only gaining impact on the games (even some impact rating). He is entrying and doesn't play the awp but he's still top 5. Even if s1mple plays a bit more aggresive, yes his rating would drop a bit, but he'll still be a top 3, top 2 or top 1 player and he will gain positive impact for his team, for his wins, etc. We've seen him doing it late 2019 but it failed and he wasn't doing great as a rifler because he kept the same playstyle. ZywOo has changed roles and a bit of his playstyle (though to s1mple's defense, ZywOo was already really versatile in roles/playstyles before coming to Vitality) and it worked, he has similar ratings (though lower considering the sacrifices he's making for his team) and still has huge impact (the highest out of all players currently). He just has to try man.
2021-01-15 11:50
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He might bounce back but I think it's a lesser possibility. Anyway, rigging it just a bit might spur competition, otherwise we're getting into uncharted territory. imo
2021-01-15 11:49
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true. I edited my comment above, what do you think of this ?
2021-01-15 11:51
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Dude, I can't speculate deeper than I said. I might be wrong about the whole scoring thing, #149
2021-01-15 12:21
ok read this . s1mple have 2 mvp in 2020 and zywoo have 6 .. s1mple have katowice only lan event mvp.. but after that everything is online so its not zywoo fault .. and about zywoo rmr event mvp.. s1mple was also playing cis rmr event and i remember navi was so bad there .. and s1mple was farming stats .. he went like 45 or 50 kill in few maps .. so stats are really close like 0.01 close.. u can even watch zywoo vs s1mple video on youtube both have similar highlights too .. but zywoo having 6 mvp and 2 trophies and 5 finals.. it should be zywoo.. i like both of them .. its really a good hype watching both on them destroying opponents .. and its big for zywoo .. he will be 3rd player to be #1 back back and on his first 2 year of pro cs .. its big for zywoo.. !
2021-01-15 11:40
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S1mple played worse vs CIS compared to eu, nt. Simple has more EVPs than zywoo, nt. RMR events wont be counted, nt.
2021-01-15 11:56
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1. ohh yea they were losing to some no namer and vp pretty bad 2. mvp>evp .. yeayy you are right s1mple should work hard to get mvp ..cuz someone else was better than him in events thats why he have evp and not mvp.. zywoo have more mvp and less evp cuzz he was best in those events 3. then its gonna be prblm for s1mple cuz he farmed so much stats in cis rmr ..
2021-01-15 12:01
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1. Yep. 2. Together both have a total of 9 MVPs&EVPs, with simple having katowice mvp and better playoff rating, grand final rating, Also no, its not cus he's ''better than him'' it's cus his team played better than his team. get it right xd. 3. No, he didnt farm stats in rmr since he played like shit vs cis. He also has better rating vs top5, top20, they're tied at 30 and 50, while zywoo has better vs top10. If you dont get how hltv ranking works, dont discuss the topic, please.
2021-01-15 12:04
s1mple its really close but i think he edges it the CS GO version of Ronaldo vs Messi
2021-01-15 11:44
zywho?
2021-01-15 11:49
1 reply
more like zymoo
2021-01-15 12:06
ZywOo 6 MVP (3 of them are from elite events) > S1mple 2 MVP (2 of them are from elite events) s1mple 6-7 EVP (5? are from elite events) > ZywOo 3-4 EVP (1-2? are from elite events) ZywOo 1.29 = 1.29 s1mple (Also ZywOo is very close to 1.30, as his rating was 1.30 before his last match against Astralis) s1mple 1.30 elite event rating > ZywOo 1.27 elite event rating hltv.org/stats/players?startDate=2020-01.. ZywOo has better playoff rating from what I've heard, but s1mple has better grand final rating ZywOo has better KAST, ADR, Clutches won, Opening Rating s1mple has better KPR, DPR
2021-01-15 18:17
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I personally think ZywOo will get it
2021-01-15 18:17
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Some statistics are even more advantageous for s1mple. But ZywOo has too many MVPs in my eyes. Despite potential 7 EVPs and good stats for s1mple, I find ZywOo has too many MVPs. I will say ZywOo also 51-49%
2021-01-15 19:27
i fucking wanted s1mple to be #1 but Zywoo deserves it more than him
2021-01-19 00:13
I was hopping art would make into the list ;;;;(
2021-01-19 00:21
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