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This top 20 feels weird
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Lithuania amazingpersonhere 
I wasn't following previous top 20 lists very carefully and surely NA scene made some differences in this 2020 top 20, but I still can't understand the logic behind some of those places. I have so many questions like: 1) I think xantares and k0nfig deserved to be on this list. Also maybe valde or mantuu. But they put brehze and jks in it? And even if they deserve to be on this list then I would still put brehze > jks, unless farming against t5 teams while all your team is afk so you get better rating should put you above brehze. 2) How and why is krimz #17, who, imo didn't do much in 2020. The only one who should be in this list from fnatic is brollan and even he idk if should be this high but just my opinion because I just can't see how he did better than k0nfig or xantares. 3) Why is yuurih #14 but elige #8? Both were farming against t5 teams. But the gap in this one is just unreal imo, and even if you would put elige as #8 then yuurih should've been like #10 or smth. 4) I would put syrson over dupreeh, but this one is probably justified so can't say much Overall, I don't know if because of too many tournaments or online matches but the players look worse. You have these players like s1mple, zywoo but then also jks as #19 who plays like 50 times worse than those two. Maybe I'm spoiled by these two animals so that's why many others look really bad, but also can't really remember many players of this list being pretty good all year, it just felt like they were, well, decent I guess. What's your opinion about 2020 top 20?
2021-01-14 12:50
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xantares for sure got robbed
2021-01-14 12:52
+1 on all points, krimz defenetly shouldn't be here and brehze and jks shouldn't even be close to the top you can argue about dupreeh or syrson, since team achievements also play a role and dupreeh won way more shit, but I agree he was way too high on the top for his stats Also, dont know why tf elige 8, he should be 13 next to yuurih top, i guess HLTV doesnt wanna lose NA fans or whatever A lot EU players lost their place just cos NA players farming tier73 teams over and over again xd, like valde, mantuu (especiall mantuu holy shit i'd be mad if i was him) xantares, k0nfig broky etc
2021-01-14 12:55
+999
2021-01-14 12:57
1) 99% agree 2) agree 100% 3) agreed. it feels like they valued performance regardless of the scene they played in, but then again that obviously did not count for CIS teams 4) i know flag checks out but i would have put dupreeh and syrson over elige 100% i think this is the worst ranking we've had yet so far. at least its the one that is the least explainable.
2021-01-14 12:58
#5
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Turkey junavan
+999
2021-01-14 12:59
Hltv does not understand that the NA teams were locked in their region most of the time and their rating is completely biased, they also did not give out the title of mvp for cis rmr tournaments, despite the fact that the cis level is objectively higher And for some reason they do not show the filters by which they calculate statistics
2021-01-14 13:01
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I don't know if I could put top cis teams over top na teams (except for navi) but I can definitely agree that cis scene as a whole is looking stronger than na scene at the moment
2021-01-14 13:07
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IMO CIS scene has way more raw talent but NA still manages somehow to have better structure and teamplay
2021-01-14 13:21
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I think that you can find raw talent everywhere but it feels like in cis they just use raw talent more than other scenes to win games, others use more strategic ways. I could be wrong though
2021-01-14 13:27
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United Kingdom galaxyv2
cis is objectively higher than na??? are you dumb
2021-01-14 13:19
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vp + gambit + NaVi + spirit = 1210 points in hltv world ranking Liquid + EG + Furia + ex chaos = 985. It gets even wider when you factor int he #5 6 and 7
2021-01-14 13:28
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#20
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United Kingdom galaxyv2
you just added up all the points of the teams at the current time where there are no events on including no cis or na rtr, which has nothing to do with the top 20 ranking which is what the topic is about the road to rio tournament was back in may, the combined points of na would've come to about 1800 points rather than cis would've come to 1200 (800 points from navi btw) sure maybe now at the start of fucking 2021 with no events cis are ranked higher but when the region locked tournaments were actually relevant back in april-may na was way more stacked than cis
2021-01-14 13:37
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You do realise it's not all about region-locked events? Even without clear numbers: Right now, and for most of 2020, CiS has 1 elite team in NaVi where NA barely even had one at all. Spirit, VP and Gambit have proven themselves to be relevant and strong teams even against europeans. What have the NA teams done? We have two teams who are even noteworthy at all and only TL have done anything against the europeans.
2021-01-14 13:47
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#32
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United Kingdom galaxyv2
the original poster is directly comparing how the region locked events are weighed and the person i replied too was wondering why there was no mvps for CIS locked tournaments and i explained with points why. You also do realise that in a fucking time period where the NA teams literally cannot play vs EU teams you can’t just compare them as an overall fairly all you can do is weigh up the locked events when comparing the two regions impact on the top 20 ranking of the year and i mean using the word ‘noteworthy’ in trying to prove objectively why a region is stronger than another is a pretty dogshit argument
2021-01-14 15:21
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#49
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Russia ErleN_
nt noscene
2021-01-14 17:16
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#52
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United Kingdom galaxyv2
flag checks out no scene but at least i have a brain
2021-01-14 18:04
#21
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Bulgaria goshyy
+1
2021-01-14 13:37
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#27
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United Kingdom galaxyv2
#20 you’re just objectively wrong
2021-01-14 13:46
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#31
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Bulgaria goshyy
Mate CIS is stronger than NA lol
2021-01-14 14:53
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#33
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United Kingdom galaxyv2
nice argument
2021-01-14 15:22
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#35
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Bulgaria goshyy
Man I'm not gonna sit here and have an argument with you LMAO have a nice day, CIS > NA
2021-01-14 15:40
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#46
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United Kingdom galaxyv2
bold for you to revel in the fact you’re too dumb to even argue your point, or maybe you’re just stubborn and won’t admit you’re wrong.
2021-01-14 16:08
NA >>>>>>>> CIS
2021-01-14 13:41
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NA has only furia
2021-01-14 15:38
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furia is not na omg
2021-01-14 15:45
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But they were playing NA tournaments during the whole lockdown
2021-01-14 15:52
OMEGALUL
2021-01-14 17:33
bump
2021-01-14 13:16
If no Shox or rpk in this ranking. worst Top20 ever probably
2021-01-14 13:18
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#12
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United Kingdom galaxyv2
shox and rpk HAHAHAHAHAH
2021-01-14 13:21
#11
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United Kingdom galaxyv2
stop putting valde and mantuu on the fucking top 20 list neither of them deserved it
2021-01-14 13:20
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do you reckon that players like jks or brehze deserved the spot in top 20?
2021-01-14 18:44
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#57
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United Kingdom galaxyv2
its probably worth noting their performances this year even if they were region locked to NA but I do think konfig and XANTARES missed out by literal inches
2021-01-14 22:06
#16
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Germany TrTafitson
Good threat except for that valde/mantuu part
2021-01-14 13:29
Brehze and JKS barely played against any NA team that isn't Furia/Liquid/100T/EG stop saying there stats were VS tier 5 because it wasn't
2021-01-14 13:31
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furia is listed in top 10 of HLTV ranking but their real rank is nearly top 30.
2021-01-14 13:34
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Furia has been hella good tf u smoking
2021-01-14 13:44
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good?? lost against everyone in the EU... And that is what matters NA tournaments are like ESLM in Germany.
2021-01-14 13:47
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Furia performed better in Europe than all the other NA teams after lockdown
2021-01-14 15:48
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That is no argument for them when you the best of the worst
2021-01-14 20:05
#19
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Netherlands ONGix
This top 20 is for SJW, it's obvious they are trying to fill in as many diverse people in there as possible. Very sad.
2021-01-14 13:35
#22
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Turkey TheKaiser
Agreed on all points, this is just sad imo.
2021-01-14 13:38
#23
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Brazil Elakk
Katowice, dumbass
2021-01-14 13:40
Half of the players mentioned just farmed bot teams in NA... Ofc this years list is shit
2021-01-14 13:45
top 7: shox, ropz, electronic, nino, device, zywoo, s1mple
2021-01-14 13:48
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#39
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Europe Vallon4
shox Lol...
2021-01-14 15:49
disagree , nino is best player in the world.
2021-01-14 15:50
Shox out, it's gonna be BlameF, rest is correct.
2021-01-14 15:58
making a retarded list so that they can rob zywoo discreetly instead of making it obvious.
2021-01-14 15:46
#42
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Turkey C0MANDANTE
Xantares deserve better
2021-01-14 15:51
I agree with all 4 points, this top20 is pure trash
2021-01-14 15:52
everyone knows na cs is trash so who cares in the end
2021-01-14 15:53
Agree with everything you wrote.
2021-01-14 16:37
+1
2021-01-14 17:10
+1
2021-01-14 18:00
I completelly agree with you. Even cadiaN is better candidate for TOP 20 this year.
2021-01-14 18:49
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Than Krimz
2021-01-14 18:50
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