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#21 NAF #22 Mantuu
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Canada BayaGoodAdam 
Another NA player almost made it to top20, lol. HLTV for sure loves NA players twitter.com/Tgwri1s/status/1349792644138.. #21 NAF #22 Mantuu Other players who were close: k0nfig XANTARES shox CeRq cadiaN valde broky Xyp9x
2021-01-14 20:24
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Xyp9x is the biggest surprise here
2021-01-14 20:25
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his stats are actually good. If he didnt take a break for 4-5 months, he would have made it
2021-01-14 20:26
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#15
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Germany hswe_jk
his stats are actually not good lol
2021-01-14 20:38
9 replies
He has 1.08 rating in 2020, and 1.12 rating in elite events (basically same rating as KRIMZ)
2021-01-14 20:42
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#26
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Germany hswe_jk
he has low impact, low adr, low kpr and is bad against top5 and not well against top10
2021-01-14 20:51
2 replies
limit it to before his break. good performance pre break
2021-01-14 20:59
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#42
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Germany hswe_jk
he said he did the break because he felt burn out if he wouldnt have done the break his stats would also have dropped due to burn out
2021-01-14 22:21
#27
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Germany hswe_jk
also i dont agree with krimz being 17
2021-01-14 20:52
2 replies
I don't agree with HLTV's ranking either, but if he had played more events, he would have made to top20 according to HLTV's criterias
2021-01-14 20:57
Even Krimz himself was surprised lol.
2021-01-15 16:38
Yes but he played like 5events less
2021-01-14 21:11
1 reply
yes, I already acknowledged it at #3
2021-01-14 21:14
#71
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Chile esanchez47
that's the point... how the fuck a player who was at least a third of the year off can be up there...
2021-01-16 05:03
2 replies
he already got ranked lower for his stats because he missed a lot of tournaments. He was still arguably a top30 player
2021-01-16 15:44
olofmeister in 2016
2021-01-16 15:45
#87
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Brazil LILpeeper
True
2021-01-16 19:11
called that except - xyp + frozen
2021-01-14 20:26
im a NAFFER but mantuu shouldve been above NAF, and xyp9x should not be in contention at all
2021-01-14 20:26
hltv.org/stats/players?startDate=2020-01.. you can't find JKS on this list of top50 players yet apparently he's ranked (19) on hltv rankings. there were dozens of players who played against more worthy opponents than he did.
2021-01-14 20:27
10 replies
giving too much value for katowice, thats the reason why even sasha the smasha with 2 mvps would probably be number 1 compared zywoo that got 6 mvps this year
2021-01-14 20:31
8 replies
but 100 thieves didnt do shit in katowice 2020?
2021-01-14 20:36
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he had 1.15 rating if im not wrong and thats why, cant understand how hltv put players like this just become of some decent performence on 1 event and then go back to shit whole year
2021-01-14 20:37
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yea, but didn't mantuu perform like crazy for the whole year against t1 opposition? i mean no one expected him to be so good yet og still went to 2 grand finals of very high prize tournaments. this hltv ranking is just piss and cancer.
2021-01-14 20:42
top 6 at kato is pretty good, most stacked event oat
2021-01-14 21:16
4 replies
there were plenty more stacked events that og participated in and played against higher tiered opponents.
2021-01-15 10:32
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lmao link a more stacked tournament than kato. kato had the 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,12,14 etc. ranked teams
2021-01-15 10:52
2 replies
i'm not talking about the only lan in 2020, i'm talking about the sheer quantity of matches against t1 opponents.
2021-01-15 10:55
1 reply
my bad, I misunderstood. I understand now.
2021-01-15 11:02
#89
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Austria Cheesle2
hello newfag you clearly dont know how hltv stats work. hltv.org/stats/players?startDate=2020-01.. jks is literally a few scrolls down on 1.13, and would be 18th on the list if he was included in "top 50". top 50 is only the top 10 teams of the year, hence the "top 50" players.
2021-01-17 11:27
#6
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Australia Kuunto
Mantuuu was done dirty, he is a literal God and most of the NA players that got in the top 20 dont deserve it
2021-01-14 20:28
17 replies
Mantuu, XANTARES and k0nfig should have been there isntead of jks, brehze and krimz tbh
2021-01-14 20:30
14 replies
jks and brehze barely did anything this entire year. meanwhile mantuu, xantares, krimz playing against t1 competition all the time..
2021-01-14 20:32
#22
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United Arab Emirates p1peb0mb
xantares was trash in elite events. others should be in
2021-01-14 20:46
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#45
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Finland kalza1
he was pretty damn good in the late year events :D
2021-01-15 10:38
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#51
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United Arab Emirates p1peb0mb
hltv.org/stats/players/events/7938/xanta.. where? these are the biggest events of the year. he was good in other events but bad in biggest events of the year.
2021-01-15 13:38
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#52
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United Kingdom galaxyv2
+1 they even explained it on the hltv podcast that xantares heavily stat padded his 2020 stats in home sweet home cups and the barely in contention dreamhack open AND still only had a 1.08 rating or something
2021-01-15 13:41
#53
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Finland kalza1
oh well sorry I didnt actually check stats, I just watched all his late games when BIG actually won huge games :D just from the eye test I saw xantares really perform against the likes of astralis, vitality, G2
2021-01-15 14:27
personally I am not a fan of elite event ratings (Even though I understand it from HLTV's point of view). Cuz If you add DH Open Fall and cs summit to the filter hltv.org/stats/players/7938/xantares?eve.. his rating goes from 1.03 to 1.07, and those RMR events were not any less competitive than the likes of EPL, or DH Spring. Pretty much every tier1 team other than Navi was playing in them. Besides, he has 1.09 rating this year overall if you only include tier1/2 events, which was higher than KRIMZ and equal to dupreeh, for example. He also has a small MVP and a few more EVPs, so I think he deserved a spot around 18-20. He got robbed because of HLTV's definition of elite events, and NA bias.
2021-01-15 15:44
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#59
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United Arab Emirates p1peb0mb
those rmrs are actually regional qualifiers for major. they don't have as much importance than other elite events. whatever way you choose, they elite events are the biggest events of the year. he don't have evps from any of the 8 big events of the year. those are far more valuable than small event evps. kato mvp/evp is like major mvp last year which are gold level mvp/evp. other élite event mvp/evps are big event level mvp/evps of past years which are silver level mvp/evp . all other mvp/evps are bronze level mvp/evps. elite event evp is more valuable than a normal evp. and kato evp is as much valuable as elite level mvp.this gives krimz and dupreeh advantage over xantares.who didn't had a elite level evp.
2021-01-15 15:56
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All RMR events had the same teams with other events, and teams are tryharding more in order to qualify for major. How are they less relavant? all elite events give gold evp actually, not only katowice. But katowice probably counts like a 1.5 elite event
2021-01-15 16:26
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#62
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United Arab Emirates p1peb0mb
both events are different. most events will have same teams as majors or katowice or cologne, but majors,kato,cologne are the 4 biggest events of the year. in fact, some events like starladder in the past had better teams in their event than majors,kato,cologne. but it didn't make them as much important.
2021-01-15 16:34
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understandable
2021-01-15 16:37
#63
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United Arab Emirates p1peb0mb
kato was gold because ,its only only LAn big event.other were online and way less prestigious. this year if major happens, it will be the only gold level event. all other events will be silver even if they had better teams.
2021-01-15 16:36
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yeah kato is gold, and so is the other elite events hltv.org/news/30978/top-20-players-of-20..
2021-01-15 16:37
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#67
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United Arab Emirates p1peb0mb
ohh thats surprising. so 8 gold level events and some silver level events. so xantares had no chance unless he got a gold level evp.
2021-01-15 16:40
mantuu awp abuses and sucks hope this helps 👍
2021-01-14 20:30
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#70
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Australia Kuunto
Awp abusing, isnt that just using the awp normally?
2021-01-16 04:33
#9
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Turkey TheKaiser
what a joke
2021-01-14 20:30
1 reply
+1 Xantares, mantuu and Valde should've been in top20
2021-01-14 21:02
#11
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
Xyp9x took a break, so that is understandable. I had mantuu in my Top 20 predictions, so it was a shocker to see him not be ranked in the Top 20 this year, and NAF-FLY actually had a pretty good 2020 considering he was one of Liquid's best players for two years straight (#6 in 2018, #7 in 2019, respectively), he SEVERELY dropped off...
2021-01-14 20:31
4 replies
Yeah but so did Liquid this year
2021-01-14 21:01
3 replies
#35
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
Liquid actually had quite a productive year, but unfortunately no victories and most of it was NA-only due to COVID-19 restrictions. The only standout being EliGe, once again.
2021-01-14 21:03
2 replies
Yeah but compared to 2018 and 2019 they were nothing
2021-01-14 21:04
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#38
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
Oh, obviously - That is just factual.
2021-01-14 21:10
xantares is 6
2021-01-14 20:41
How can NAF be better than XANTARES and Mantuu or K0nfig????
2021-01-14 20:42
1 reply
it is because he is a better player than XANTARES and Mantuu or K0nfig
2021-01-17 20:40
#20
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Denmark Gryde
XYP9X WAS IN THE DICUSSION!?!?!???!?
2021-01-14 20:43
if Mantuu, XANTARES or k0nfig played kato they all would've been in the top 20
2021-01-14 20:43
5 replies
Katowice's impact isnt as big as everyone thinks. Even majors didn't have that much impact in previous years lol. Katowice maybe counts as 2 online events, that's all. NAF played bad on katowice, but still got 21th.
2021-01-14 20:47
4 replies
it definitely is as big as everyone thinks, if Jks didn't attend like Mantuu XANTARES and k0nfig he wouldn't have made it
2021-01-14 20:49
21th
2021-01-14 20:58
#37
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
I would say yes and no... It's treated as the "unofficial Major" of the year and kind of unofficially counts as one regardless of the fact it isn't. It certainly helped boost Krimz's and Brollan's placings, KrimZ getting an EVP and Brollan averaging a "+9" on the event.
2021-01-14 21:09
1 reply
Ok
2021-01-15 14:52
#23
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Europe SP3C7RE
seeing that xantares didn't make it up on the list really made me sad, and mantuu aswell
2021-01-14 20:47
See my reddit post i explain why there are so many NA players there. reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/kx.. Still i am laughing so much at this, AHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAAHAH. Do you have good stats? YesDo you have better stats v top level of competition? Yes lol no, be below NAF.
2021-01-14 21:01
7 replies
redditor eugh!
2021-01-15 10:39
it's pretty silly considering EG was top1 team in the world in 2020 and didn't play against t1 opposition at all. when they did start playing against t1 opposition they quickly fell down the rankings. honestly mantuu was absolutely robbed of his spot, because this was his 'rookie' year. he played well against navi, he played well against many other t1 opponents many times and OG just climbed the rankings in a huge way.
2021-01-15 10:39
5 replies
to be fair mantuu won nothing and had low impact as an awper
2021-01-16 08:04
4 replies
in the same way we can also say jks, naf, brehze, etc. barely had any impact on anything, really.
2021-01-16 13:10
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you're joking obviously but if you look at any stats for them they are way higher than mantuu NA cs aside the only reason mantuu would be above those 4 is if hltv said "yeahh but I feel like he's better anyway"
2021-01-16 19:10
2 replies
it's not a joke when mantuu has been consistently performing whole year against t1 opponents. don't forget that EG was top1 last year without facing any t1 opposition.
2021-01-17 11:16
1 reply
Liquid and Furia are tier 1 opposition also Mantuu and Naf had a similar amount of games against top 5 and top 10 opponents
2021-01-17 20:34
xantares deserved a spot this year imo, defo over the likes of jks and brehze this year
2021-01-14 21:01
K0nfig was robbed, he's already been doing really well from both stats and watching games, but when you consider that he's an entry putting up good numbers against top 5 teams, and it makes you think he's been robbed even more.
2021-01-15 10:35
no mir and shiro 🙁🙁
2021-01-15 14:29
3 replies
They explained that they both didn't play enough against top teams and top tournaments to be in contention but said that jame, mir, shiro would have been included in if the list was top 40
2021-01-15 14:35
2 replies
at least mir should be in top-20, not some top-40 lmao this guy destroyed everything and everyone this year
2021-01-16 13:16
But fucking bots from NA have a place in the top20
2021-01-18 22:00
#55
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Germany Droidd
MANTUU WAS FUCKING ROBBED 1.12 and 1.19 AND HE'S NOT THERE WTF BULLSHIT
2021-01-15 14:30
Xanbot lol
2021-01-15 16:27
Xyp9x should have been replaced with mir
2021-01-15 16:43
1 reply
Magixx>>>
2021-01-16 15:56
#69
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Germany Nebula01
CerQ was not good this year tbh, especially the latter half of the year, ethan was way better imo.
2021-01-15 16:54
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#82
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
+1 - What we expect out of CeRq didn't really come to pass. EG were very successful in 2020 but they were carried by Brehze; hence his Top 20 placing.
2021-01-16 15:58
yeah he was like kennyS pretty much this year. brehze is still insane at his peak but after sg nerf he's never been the same and stanislaw is a bot igl
2021-01-16 15:59
yeah, xyp and cerq in the discussion but not frozen or teses is basically a crime
2021-01-16 07:57
2 replies
or even cadiaN
2021-01-16 15:59
#93
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Germany Nebula01
Frozen wasnt good until the end of 2020, teses was good, but I would have liked to see cad1an.
2021-01-17 21:05
ok
2021-01-16 08:09
xyp? what a joke
2021-01-16 13:11
Cerq?????? 0.98 rating kekw
2021-01-16 15:55
#86
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Brazil LILpeeper
No xantares?
2021-01-16 19:11
NAFFERS consolation prize))
2021-01-17 20:39
So insane how they have Shox in top 30 when he wasn't even good, shows how messed up was 2020.
2021-01-17 21:14
Honestly suprised k0nfig didn't made it, he deserved it this year imo
2021-01-17 21:18
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