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s1mple vs ZywOo analysis
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Japan mantuu_TOP1_soon 
Tbh I think ZywOo has been given top1. But I will go forward to do some analysis. Both were insane last year. ZywOo has the best fundamentals in the game while s1mple has best mechanics. From what I have understood till now is that HLTV is taking 4 main things to decide this top20 and which are: 1) Elite events ratings ( 8 events) 2) Players rating vs top5, top10, top20, top30,top50 3) Playoffs/Grandfinals ratings 4) mvps/evps This is most likely 90% of it, maybe some other things but I am not sure about them. 1) Elite events ratings (8 events): hltv.org/stats/players?startDate=2020-01.. s1mple leads with 0.03 rating with more maps played. So this should go to him. 2) Ratings vs Top teams: s1mple - 1.31 vs top 5 opponents (53 maps) 1.28 vs top 10 opponents (95 maps) 1.31 vs top 20 opponents (144 maps) 1.29 vs top 30 opponents (181 maps) 1.29 vs top 50 opponents (204 maps) ZywOo- 1.29 vs top 5 opponents (41 maps) 1.29 vs top 10 opponents (86 maps) 1.28 vs top 20 opponents (153 maps) 1.29 vs top 30 opponents (189 maps) 1.29 vs top 50 opponents (202 maps) Top5: s1mple Top10: ZywOo Top20: s1mple Top30/Top50: s1mple/ZywOo Overall: s1mple with more maps played and having 0.03 better rating vs top5. 3) Playoffs/Grandfinals: I do not know the ratings. And Idk either if they chose from every playoffs or just elite events playoffs. Even tho I have tried to do elite events playoffs rating by myself, and in that s1mple has 46 maps played and ZywOo has 33 maps played, and both have almost same. s1mple just leads with 0.02. But thats only elite event and I tried to do it by myself( So it might be wrong). s1mple has played 3 elite events finals, and ZywOo has played 2 elite events finals. But s1mple has better Grand Finals rating 100% and not only that he was beast on Katowice. So for this category, we do not have a winner for certain. 4) MVPs/EVPs Even tho ZywOo has 6 MVPs and s1mple has only 2 MVPs. But out of those 6 only 3 are elite events MVPs. While s1mple has both elite events MVPs. One of them being Katowice. And Both have 5 elite events EVPs LOL. And tbh I think s1mple has better evps since he could have won 2 more mvps if navi had won. But I will give this to ZywOo since he has those 6 mvps. Now again I only did elite events mostly. And s1mple was consistent the whole year while ZywOo had insane peaks. And both have their team rankings 2 and 3 aswell. So its too close. TLDR: s1mple or ZywOo?
2021-01-16 15:07
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2021-01-16 15:07
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By the way yesterday I watched stew clip where he said if ZywOo does not win, it will be robbery. Like come on s1mple already gets enough hate. Why will be it robbery? Whoever wins it, deserves it 100%. They both have insane stats. And even tho I do not care about somebodys opinion but I just do not understand how will this be robbery if s1mple wins it? LOL
2021-01-16 15:11
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Wow nice thread, it'll be really close this year
2021-01-16 15:33
clip ?
2021-01-16 21:41
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United States ShawnM
i agree this is unrelated but lmao NA CS clips.twitch.tv/HilariousKindKiwiRuleFiv..
2021-01-16 21:44
NiKo top1 /closed
2021-01-16 15:09
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Denmark KING_VITO
/open VSM top1 /closed
2021-01-16 15:35
Zywoo deserve top 1 more than anyone else imo Imagine having 6MVP's and still end up number 2. That would prove 2 things, either HLTV MVPs are a joke or their number 1 ranking is a joke.
2021-01-16 15:09
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device had so much more mvps than s1mple last year and still s1mple got #2 over device. You can be the best player but can not win the events/mvps cause of your team. And 2 of the 3 elite events mvps. s1mple could have won 2 of them if navi had won.
2021-01-16 15:19
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There was a huge gap between device and s1mple rating tho. Who cars, HLTV ranking this year is a joke anyway. I won't even be surprised if s1mple gets top1 because of Katowice.
2021-01-16 15:28
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I mean I just made this thread cause I see alot of people think there is no way to win for s1mple. But thats not true. Its like 50/50.
2021-01-16 15:27
6 online mvp(3-4 of them dont deserve, ok)
2021-01-16 15:42
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Namibia Nt_NoScene
s1mple #1 2020
2021-01-16 15:10
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EliGE | 
North America Beecs
Will hltv consider gamers without borders into their ranking?
2021-01-16 15:10
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Namibia Nt_NoScene
no
2021-01-16 15:11
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EliGE | 
North America Beecs
Will those 8 removed maps affect s1mple’s rating?
2021-01-16 15:12
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Namibia Nt_NoScene
2021-01-16 15:12
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EliGE | 
North America Beecs
And how do u know that
2021-01-16 15:14
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bcz he reads HLTV articles you should do the same my friend
2021-01-16 15:30
no
2021-01-16 15:17
are you stupid, if they won't count it will not even be rated during tournament.
2021-01-16 21:02
Just give it to both. First co-top 1 is something that will assert their playmaking, skills, stats are on the same level.
2021-01-16 15:10
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EliGE | 
North America Beecs
Funny as fuck if that happens
2021-01-16 15:12
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I literally can't tell the difference. Giving it to both is the best decision, imo. Stats are almost identical. Their impact is insane. They are the main stars, their team didn't win much.
2021-01-16 15:14
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EliGE | 
North America Beecs
I personally think zywoo has been better this year but honestly if they split it ill laugh so hard cuz way too many kids have been shitting on one or the other and its getting out of hand, who cares what some random site thinks? Both are all time great players anyways.
2021-01-16 15:18
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Ye, I just want to see Ibuprofenia and s1mple_CSGOD shit on each other, claiming "s1mple is top 1, cause he died less", or "Zywoo is top 1 cause he won this RMR event
2021-01-16 15:28
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EliGE | 
North America Beecs
Idk who the first guy is but im pretty sure sam2ks long list of alts make all s1mple fans look like shit, im too tired to give him another thought, have a good day though
2021-01-16 15:49
Nope there is only 1 winner.
2021-01-16 15:17
Could you kindly elaborate how ZywOo can have 5 EVPs? As far as I can see, he can have a maximum of 4 EVPs (unlikely), and a minimum of 2. Thanks in advance :)
2021-01-16 15:13
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I think he has only 4 and not 5. 1) IEM katowice 2) ESL s12 3) IEM global challenge 4) DH masters spring My bad I mixed his MVP as EVP
2021-01-16 15:15
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Okay, here's where you are probably incorrect: 1) Ropz had 1.21 (3rd-highest rated in Katowice) and his team was 7th-8th. Vitality was out in 9-12th with very few maps played, and ZywOo had 1.24. If Ropz didn't get Katowice EVP, I don't see how ZywOo with 9th-12th placing can get an EVP there. 2) Following a similar reason, in EPL-12, Vitality was out at 9th-10th, and ZywOo had 1.20. I don't think he's gonna get an EVP there. 3) IEM Global Challenge. Yes, this is indeed a valid EVP for him 4) Yes, even though he was out at 7th-8th in DHM Spring, he could definitely get an EVP because of his rating. I agree
2021-01-16 15:25
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You might be right, but if thats the case then s1mple might lose some evps aswell
2021-01-16 15:26
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Possible yeah, but I don't think that would be the case. Except ESL One Cologne, Navi was in the play-offs of every single Tier1 event in 2020, and s1mple had a decent rating all the time.
2021-01-16 15:28
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What do you think about playoffs/grand finals rating? Grandfinals rating 100% favours towards s1mple in my mind but I am not sure about playoffs.
2021-01-16 15:30
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Before I say anything about that, let me clearly state that I have myself not done any calculations about their play-offs/finals rating :D 1) imgur.com/a/H83QQgy 2) Just scroll through these messages here: hltv.org/forums/threads/2404321/5-electr.. 3) There was an incomplete compilation by r0flow. And the numbers are pretty same. Apparently, ZywOo has a slightly better play-offs rating, with lesser maps. Whereas s1mple has a better finals rating. Once again, I can't personally confirm or deny anything :D
2021-01-16 15:34
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LMAO it so fucking close. He is ahead only by 0.01. Its so insane how close they were last year.
2021-01-16 15:36
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You could have a look at this once: hltv.org/forums/threads/2404321/5-electr.. He seems to have nearly correct numbers. Once again however, it's not confirmed obviously :D
2021-01-16 20:35
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United Kingdom MiCOOL
2021-01-16 15:13
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Ukraine McSwell
KEKW
2021-01-16 21:03
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India somecunt
They didn't took Blast spring finals as an elite event and every top team were there and ZywOo was MVP with good ratings so this is biased selection for sure. And ZywOo has way better playoffs ratings in playoffs of S-tier events. Also,only difference in DH spring finals and DH fall finals was Navi , this is already looking BS.
2021-01-16 15:16
Your data for playoffs or elite event playoffs are definetely wrong but the rest comes from featured ratings and the elite filter so it's accurate. Though, the real data will come out in a few days, I think stats on HLTV in 2020 are not really reliable and they don't disclose all the data they have either so there's no real way to know.
2021-01-16 15:14
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Nah I am almost sure that s1mple has better elite events playoffs while ZywOo might have better normal playoffs rating. But if only elite events, s1mple is ahead even tho its close and s1mple 100% has better grand finals.
2021-01-16 15:16
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India somecunt
S-Tier event playoffs ratings. events.y0fl0w.de
2021-01-16 15:17
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I did it myself lol. Only elite events btw. And he did all the events combined, thats why he has 56 maps and I only have 44 maps for s1mple
2021-01-16 15:21
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India somecunt
That's why I wrote S-Tier events and not elite events.
2021-01-16 15:22
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Yup and I never asked about S-Tier events, and thats why I said I do not who is gonna win this category.
2021-01-16 15:24
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India somecunt
True.
2021-01-16 15:24
Well two other people have done calculations and they have both have ZywOo leading in elite tier playoffs ahead of s1mple ( one from HLTV staff and another from a user) so I think it does tell something.
2021-01-16 15:36
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I mean I am not dead sure. Thats why I said we do not know who the winner is gonna be of this category
2021-01-16 15:37
r0flow is HLTV staff? You're talking about him, right?
2021-01-16 15:51
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Nope the one which you talked about ratings haha, but another guy tried to do calculations too (he talked to you I think) :) Our ropz fan isn't from HLTV obviously. My comment is misleading though.
2021-01-16 20:30
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Oh lol :D Never mind Anyway, check this: hltv.org/forums/threads/2404321/5-electr.. He seems to have done the correct calculations. Let's see what he has to say about s1mple/ZywOo :D
2021-01-16 20:32
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Yhea he seems to be on point and quite aware of each tournament's rating ;) I think he can be trusted on that. Just waiting for his answers to your comments now :D
2021-01-16 20:36
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A friend of mine just sent this to me (s1mple vs ZywOo playoffs). I am quoting: s1mple: (0.98x2) +(2.11x2)+(1.11x2)+(1.42x2)+(1.31x3)+(1.47x5)+(1.44x3)+(1.37x2)+(1.32x2)+(1.32x2)+(0.97x3)+(1.22x3)+(1.40x3)+(1.08x2)+(1.24x3)+(1.00x2)+(1.38x3)+(1.29x2)+(1.23x2)+(1.15x5)+(1.28x2)+(1.79x2)+(1.52x3) = 79,14/58 = 1.364, so 1.36 overall ZywOo: (1.21x3)+(1.37x3)+(1.45x3)+(1.43x2)+(1.23x5)+(1.44x2)+(1.39x2)+(1.39x3)+(1.25x3)+(1.22x2)+(1.66x2)+(1.74x2)+(1.11x3)+(1.51x2)+(0.72x2) overall divided by 39 = 1,325, so 1.33 overall By the way, I triple checked, ZywOo actually has 39 maps overall at elite events. EDIT: I missed two maps in the overall map count so it is: 79,14/60 = 1.319 which is 1.32 overall. My bad. But yes, this is the final conclusion now, I counted all maps again, I have literal 10 tabs open in my browser haha.
2021-01-16 20:47
I think your analysis is indicating that s1mple is going to be ranked #1 because based off of these statistics you can see that they are are dead-even in most categories except s1mple has played better against the top opposition and in the elite events. That is a very important factor in hltv's ranking hence krimz and brollan were on this list. I also think that there is a slight possibility for electronic to be ranked higher than NiKo.
2021-01-16 15:15
mmmhmhmhmhm... s1mple :D
2021-01-16 15:26
Nt op but we know your a s1mple fan in disguise Sorry but zywoo deserves top1 and will be
2021-01-16 15:52
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At least he gave some facts while you are like, i am always right cause i am zywoo fan and you are wrong despite you bringing good facts
2021-01-16 21:49
U didnt see the stat in wich zywoo is +.10 in rating when it comes to playoffs after group stage and s2mple goes down i think in playoffs
2021-01-16 20:49
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Ukraine McSwell
I won't be surprised if that "stats" includes EU RMR playoffs where NaVi can't even participate, and does not include CIS RMR
2021-01-16 21:09
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well s2mple had the worst stats in cis rmr out of all tournaments this year so if that is not counted it goes in his favour
2021-01-16 21:48
Do zyWoo's fans still believe or are they already crying? s1mple Top1 closed/
2021-01-16 20:58
nice smart thread, not stupid "s1mple the best or zywoo the best then /close", thank you mister.
2021-01-16 21:07
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Portugal 69_mL
s1 1.42 zy 1.33 s1mple top 1 in my opinion, but zy will take it like in 2019 - undeserved
2021-01-16 21:12
S1me for sure though it’s very close, but s1mple is better overall and a bit more consistent. They both would pick top1 in any year except 2018 with those stats. But this time s1mple 1 and Zywoo 2
2021-01-16 21:20
I think it's super close and either could take it, just depends on how much HLTV weights Katowice being LAN vs the rest. HLTV rankings are for individual performance, Device is arguably more integral to his team's success but isn't going to be in the top 1. Both Zywoo and S1mple could take it, I wouldn't be surprised either way but going by HLTV id assume that they'd weight Katowice performance heavily and as a result S1mple would take the #1.
2021-01-16 21:36
+1 finally someone smart, and stew know nothing he literally watch zywoo insane clips and thinks he is better, zywoo has better highlights and insane peaks in 2/3 half of year while s1mple was consistent from the start, good analysis btw, whoever wins it would be close, and s1mple has too many haters for real
2021-01-16 21:47
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