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Nostalgia aside, it has to be dev1ce.
Top #20 in '14, #3 in '15, #3 '16, #5 in '17, #2 in '18, #3in '19.
He has won 4 majors and 24 LAN events.
Also has 2 Major MVPs and 18 total MVPs.
No one is close to him.
s1mple has 0 majors and only 8 LAN trophies.
Also has 0 major MVPs and only 11 total MVPs.
He is in the Top 20 list only four times.
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with no top 1's no
You have to have been the best as some point
with only one top 1, he would be considered goat
but he wont get one
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Literally no-one in CS has "every accomplishment" of a successful career.
Device is the closest to it because he's been the most consistent and that's the toughest thing to achieve.
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Device's team was more dominant at their peak. 4 majors. Way more MVPs than Cold.
Both individually and teamwise, device has so aspects that are better than cold.
As I said, Nobody is a clearcut goat in CS but Device is the closest thing to it.
But cold only had 2 good years(and 2018 where he was still good but not as much)
It is never factual when attempting to express opinions.
It is fact that Device is one of the most successful players in CS:GO, it is an opinion to proclaim him to be the absolute best.
EDIT: Changed "profess" to "proclaim".
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I don't have to, that wasn't the point I was making.
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Figuratively speaking, yes. The problem is with both fact and opinion, they oppose one another.
Expressing an opinion and stating fact is treated separately. I have no problem with claiming that Device is one of the very best to touch CS:GO, but I won't say THE very best as that won't be factual, it would be up to peoples opinions to express that themselves.
No doubt devve king
XANTARES
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Name checks out
the goat is or fallen or coldzera
its device for sure
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yeah he hasnt been the best for one year sure
thorin and rlewis both slaughter the device consistency argument
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There can be no argument against device's consistency, numbers speak for themselves
id say coldzera, 2 majors, 2mvps, 2 times numba 1, he dominated absolutely everyone. i mean he has got every achievement. device would be the most successful player in csgo.
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Its true he has achieved a lot but that was in 2 years.The game has been out for 8 years,what about the other 6?Its hard to call him the GOAT because he has little longevity.
Everyone who mentiones dev1ce and not the whole Astralis core is just retarded. He would never win a single major if he didnt play for Astralis. Astralis can keep winning majors if they want to, but none of them are able to join an international team.
He is the GOAT because of consistent perfomance and his teams achievements. But he wasnt and will never be the best player in CS GO. Its not like he is the best player in the game and that what makes Astralis win more than they would w/o him, its more about team play and game sense of every player in the team.
In most sports people look at you as an individual first, at your own game, and then the rest.
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No shit that Astralis as a team is winning, not alone. This is a team game but that doesn't disprove that he's the goat. dev1ce is one of the main reasons they succeeded. He would have even better stats if he was not playing in a team as good as astralis. Teammates are not sacrificing themselves for his trades like in other teams.
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> pussy play style
> most accomplished player in CS history
He's not there for your enjoyment, kid. He's there to win trophies and he knows how to do that. Go be a Fnatic fanboy if all you want is enjoyment.
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YE bro, he won so many trophies before their Astralis era omegalul
"most accomplished player in CS history" CoolStoryBob aka retired in a few years. He is, for now, not a big achievement. In 5 years nobody will talk about them when ZywOo and s1mple will win a few majors will being the best players in the world.
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He's been playing on the top way before the Astralis era,even in 2014 they were getting to semis a lot,in 2015 he was shitting on the great fnatic and won several smaller tournaments.Even in 2016 he was like #3 or#4 even though his team was complete shit but he carried them hard.
Its okay to not believe he is the greatest and he is not everything but dont go the other way and say he is worthless and downplay his greatness
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yeah true +1111111
In terms of achievements I'd have to say device. If we're stretching outside of GO I'd give it to f0rest and/or GeT_RiGhT. f0rest has been a beast for over a decade now, both in ye olden days and in GO, and GeT_RiGhT was arguably the biggest kick-starter for NiP moving into GO. Absolute legends both of them, and device will also be one of the legends in a few years.
I agree, I cant see why some people believe that s1mple is cs goat
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Device 100%
Device 2 stronk
At the moment its device but zywoo will be in future
device is the GOAT!!!!
Always and forever <3
rn dev1ce
but if zywoo keeps up at this lvl and gets a top 1/2 spot for the next 4 years its obviously gonna turn to him.
i hope dev1ce can be top 1 at least once before he retires, man has been top 5/3 for 6 years straight, his best chance was in 2018 but s1mple was obviously better in terms of stats and idividuals.
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you mean when fallen and liquid win 4 majors? probably but rn cold>
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DEVVEEEEEEEEEH
Device for sure
top 10 in no order GTR device s1mple coldzera olof shox snax kenny niko flusha
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device
coldzera
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s1mple and everyone else
Yup, device is surely the most consistent player in CSGO, anybody with a brain and eyes can see the stats that speak for themselves. Other players may have much higher individual performances, but Device has been really strong and consistent since 2014, which is 7 FUCKING YEARS. Surely he has to be the GOAT of CSGO right now, maybe if S1mple and ZywOo keep up their form for 5 more years while device suddenly declines then we can talk about the GOAT being someone else.
It is always extremely tricky when attempting to discuss an absolute.
I like this graph, friend: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HLTV#2010 <-- Device will be number 1 eventually due to him most likely being the third spot of Top 20 player of 2020.
Players of the decade:
Device
Coldzera
GeT_RiGhT
Olofmeister
KennyS
Flusha
Honourable mentions: F0rest, FalleN, Xyp9x, JW, shox, snax
please dont come with ZywOo and other "new" players, we are talking about all decade impact in high tier. S1mple would be a big contender but never won a major or lots of big LAN events, same with NiKo, electronic and other good players.
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you put xyp9x instead of s1mple and NiKo... lol
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i read it and it just doesn't make sense. s1mple's and NiKo's impact is 2x that of Xyp9x even if they won less.
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GOAT = Greatest of all time
You are confusing greatest with best (skilled). I also agree that s1mple, NiKo are best than xyp9x, and almost everyone in the list above in terms of skills, but to be the greatest, you have to win and achieve.
edit: Oh and also xyp9x is not on my list, it is only a mention. So you really have to learn to interprete sentences in english.
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so xyp getting carried is somehow better than NiKo and s1mple carrying and being some of the best players for almost all of their careers? greatness isn't just winning trophies all the time.
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it doesn't matter you still have him ahead of s1mple and niko
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hahaha
I made a list with candidates for GOAT
1. device
2. coldzera
3. s1mple
4. Get_RiGhT
5. ZywOo
Don't disagree with me cause I'm right
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