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PROS about ZywOo /s1mple
Europe Luboss 
Always interesting to see what they think on the matter instead of the casuals, the fans, the enthusiasts on HLTV or even just different from good faceit/esea players. Keep in mind that pros watch other pros all year round ! This means that they also analyze and anti-strat other teams and players all year. So they probably know more about player playstyles than most of us and also often what a player allows on the server which the casual wouldn't see or consider. PRO games are also really different from PUGS. Links to videos: youtube.com/watch?v=XjoBybpgdpA youtube.com/watch?v=6hqDMhVjTAw&t KEEP IN MIND that these videos are recent and are obviously concerning the year 2020 as a whole with the HLTV ranking coming up and also in terms of current form. DISCLAIMER: IGNORE RICHARD LEWIS (he's not a pro so he's off topic and he also doesn't understand anything about the game, leave that hateful sophist aside for now). Your toughts ? Suprised or expected ? A few days to reach the climax of this ranking /discuss
2021-01-17 17:14
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Denmark _Top1
Shox on ecstacy every day thats why hes getting better
2021-01-17 17:15
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+1
2021-01-17 17:29
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Australia B_Tannen
Just because somebody isn't a current pro player or coach, doesn't mean the don't know the game and scene. e.g. XTQZZZ was caster, analysts now. etc
2021-01-17 17:18
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Denmark _Top1
Ok but richard lewis is a redditor. Not at all related to cs
2021-01-17 17:18
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Denmark _Top1
Ah yes,hosts and journalists as the likes of Frankie are true csgo masterminds
2021-01-17 17:22
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#11
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Australia B_Tannen
So you ignored the ESL Cologne 2014 analyst, MLG Columbus 2016 analyst and eleague season 1+2 analyst positions? Btw any involvement with professional scene for such a long time is worth it. Doesn't matter what position you're in.
2021-01-17 17:24
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I'm talking about in-game, not made narratives or angles only relevant to casuals.
2021-01-17 18:58
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Australia B_Tannen
You should watch more pro CS content. He understands the scene greatly.
2021-01-18 03:41
Not related to CS?? If you ask YNK you can ask RL.
2021-01-17 17:22
6 replies
YNK was a pro in CS and a coach for Faze for years ^^ literally incomparable, RL doesn't play CSGO, he's not even a silver or nova (MM player), and cheated in CSS, that's literally all there is to him.
2021-01-17 17:33
5 replies
YNK is a shit noob. You could aks any guy on the street and get higher quality.
2021-01-17 17:34
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Australia B_Tannen
lol
2021-01-17 17:45
Well that's another report.
2021-01-17 18:58
YNK was doing good when he played as a stand-in in some Faze games so he's got at least the talent to stand in in tier 1-2 games, where's your HLTV profile on the other hand ? You're a random.
2021-01-17 19:00
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Problem with your logic bud "RL and because Thoorin never played cs at a high level so they don't understand" is flawed as fuck because you can understand the game and not play and mind you most pros are not that smart when it comes to analyzing cs on a level where casters are at great example Niko every analyst has said he's a good player dumbest IGL while niko thinks otherwise so can you explain how pros understand way better then analyst. And bud they ain't randoms, have you seen RL work in the industry?
2021-01-17 22:02
He was at the desk of several majors bro that seems like something a redditor usually does?
2021-01-17 17:36
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ofc, HLTV forum users are on the analyst desk for every event, didn't you know that?
2021-01-17 19:28
Yes but he understands the game really well and was pro in CSS I believe. He got a cancer and won against it. Keep in mind that casters at 1PV where he used to cast are knowledgeable and involved in CS (more so than casters from the mainstream) and some of them have been pros or analysts, coaches, assistants in pro french teams, hence their understanding of the game is sharp. This is a rare and special case, he comes from special background and is and was involved with the scene a lot. (him and ALEX were friends even before Alex joined vitality).
2021-01-17 17:26
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Australia B_Tannen
Most hired analysts understand the game well. But on a separate note, direct involvement in the pro scene for such a long time benefits knowledge greatly, whether talent or otherwise.
2021-01-17 17:28
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The best analysts play the game or have played the game at a sufficient level though^^ you can't deny that out of the top 3 teams, all of the 3 coaches were pros in CS at one point, maybe not in CSGO but in different versions of CS. I'm sorry but you can't be a full fledged analyst if you've never played the game in a team of some kind or play decent level of PUGS, you'd miss too much knowledge, information about the game you can't learn, understand without playing. That was the case for Vitality's analyst in 2019, he never played in a pro team but he has done analysis for pro games for literally years (some on his youtube) since the early days and played decent level of PUGS on ESEA rank A ( it's high), he was gifted mechanically but he was still better than 99.999999% of players.
2021-01-17 17:38
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Australia B_Tannen
For veterans like thorin or RL (probably more but they're some examples) you learn from osmosis with the scene. I'm sure they've played at high levels to some extent, but such experience over decade + in pro scene? You'd know enough even without playing.
2021-01-17 17:44
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RL and thoorin never played the game at any level. The most they've played at is MM level gold nova ( this is not a joke). They're not players in any way or form.
2021-01-17 18:33
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Australia B_Tannen
How do you know that? 10+ years working the scene professionally and they never played the game at a semi high level? Anyway, you don't need to be a pro player for understanding of the scene and the game. Watch their content.
2021-01-18 03:45
Everyone has their own opinion. If they like someone, it does not mean I have to like. And its what they think. Them thinking does not mean it is gonna be right. LOL even I watched everymatch.
2021-01-17 17:19
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Do you think you understand games as well as pros do? Let me answer, no you probably don't, in fact it takes years of analysing to become an analyst for a pro team, especially if you're just at a bare minimum level like faceit lvl 10, esea rank A etc.
2021-01-17 17:29
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lol ok but just please change flair to already ZywOo. Btw ZywOo became top1 after first year of playing t1 cs. So yeah it took him years to go from t5000 to t1 cs.
2021-01-17 17:31
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He was already playing in tier 2 for years as a semi-pro and dropped 37 kills against VIP and almost won against them. HE WAS KNOWN SINCE 2016 in the french scene so YES IT'S years. He started playing CS and lans before the age of 9. So why are you hating ? I didn't say anything in this thread, PROS TALK IN THIS VIDEO ^^ I'm not a pro.
2021-01-17 17:48
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ropz?
2021-01-17 18:49
ago was more like tier 50243953465349 than tier 2 what are you on
2021-01-18 00:20
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France Poloqua
agreed
2021-01-18 10:48
ZywOo > s1mple imo
2021-01-17 17:22
idk why there are 50 threads on this every day. Both are clearly head and shoulders above every1 else. For 2020 specifically, they're extremely close in all stats. Either one being #1 is respectable. To actually rank them, given how close they are statistically, you need to find legitimate tiebreakers. These might include: Big events, consistency, team accolades etc I think the huge discrepancy at the largest event of the year between the two is likely the most obvious tiebreaker. Consistency is also another one that HLTV seem to (over) value (as seen in team rankings) For my money I'd say s1mple was better this year by a very small margin because of these two most tangible tiebreakers, but I really dont see much of a difference between the two, and both are deserving. Let's stop posting threads every day and just wait until Tuesday
2021-01-17 17:27
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I'm doing this because the HLTV ranking is coming closer, I'm not doing this all year like the others ( look at the number of my threads). I would only make them for such occasions or if there's a breaking point for a player when I posted in April 2019 that ZywOo was the best player currently. I haven't posted anything regarding the matter before this year's ranking.
2021-01-17 17:42
4 replies
Wasn't singling you out, it's just annoying to see the same thread topic every day.
2021-01-17 17:48
3 replies
I do understand your frustration though but this thread wasn't meant to be bait ( well it kinda did considering all the fanboys comments harassing me).
2021-01-17 19:14
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yeah man, you're good 100%, didn't mean it as a slight to OP, specifically. CSGO community just so childish/toxic that every thread devolves into a mess haha.
2021-01-17 19:22
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Well thanks for the kind words, fanboys are swarming at my door right now, see all of my comments where I proved them wrong and they don't answer but post another comment somewhere else^^ that's just textbook cancer but whatever. I should just ask an admin to delete.
2021-01-17 20:47
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France Carrotaboy
Because fanbois men)) There’s going to be a civil war on hltv on Tuesday 100%
2021-01-17 17:57
2 replies
lol fair enough
2021-01-17 17:59
probably
2021-01-17 20:48
+1
2021-01-17 18:47
device has been insane this year too... they're not lightyears above device & NiKo for example.
2021-01-18 00:11
> This means that they also analyze and anti-strat other teams and players all year. So they probably know more about player playstyles than most of us and also often what a player allows on the server which the casual wouldn't see or consider. PRO games are also really different from PUGS. ????????????????? Alot of people watch demos, pro games are different but they do not play on same team. So you cant know how the guy is. But its what they think. For me s1mple is better and he was better in 2020.
2021-01-17 17:29
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I don't understand but I think you're the one confused.
2021-01-17 17:31
1 reply
ok
2021-01-17 17:33
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Romania ukhcsgo
I'm not surprised. ZywOo is the best player in the world. Only 2 years in top tier and already won 11 MVP. This kid is absolutely insane
2021-01-17 17:32
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Well in terms of individual awards, he's head and shoulders above the rest. 11 MVPs in 2 years for ZywOo 6 MVPs in 2 years for Dev1ce 3 MVPs in 2 years for s1mple 5 EVPs in 2019 7 EVPS in 2019 5 EVPs in 2019 He got as much EVPs than s1mple while having 5 times his amount of MVPs, historically I think we've never seen such difference between stats, individual awards and team achievements between the #1 of the year and the #2 of the year. Remember that ZywOo's playoff ratings in 2019 is 1.34 rating 2.0 which is above s1mple's playoff ratings in 2018 by a lot, 0.04 (s1mple had 1.30 in playoffs). s1mple's playoff ratings in 2019 can't even compare to ZywOo's or his self's previous year, he had 28 maps and a 1.24 rating, 0.10 less than ZywOo while ZywOo had 20 maps maps than him in playoffs (not to mention higher opposition and maps played against top 10/top5). He also matches the numbers of MVPs s1mple had his whole career in only 2 years of playing O_o. The best 1 year and 2 first year of a player in CS? 2018 between s1mple and Dev1ce only had a huge difference in terms of stats but dev1ce had 7 MVPs, more EVPs (7 against s1mple's 4 EVPs) and certainly not in team achievements, I don't think I need to provide numbers for Astralis of 2018, the best team of all time. To me he's the best this year too but let's wait and see what HLTV decides.
2021-01-17 19:26
clown shox
2021-01-17 17:36
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too harsh, he's funny !
2021-01-17 17:42
They didn't ask CIS players, its a discrimination. Also, imagine asking shox about who is better? What do you expect :D
2021-01-17 17:36
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And imagine asking device biggest rival of him is s1mple. :D:DD::D:D:D:D::D:D:
2021-01-17 17:39
49 replies
I like the explanation as well ;) ''ZywOo cuz... ZywOo" xd
2021-01-17 17:41
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xdddddddd
2021-01-17 17:42
in device's head: zywoo because i dont like s1mple he always bullies me on the server ... maybe i shouldn't say that, cos i will look like a noob device: zywoo cos zywoo
2021-01-17 18:49
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''zywoo said that i am the best, so im gonna say he's the best''
2021-01-17 18:51
Why are you getting so burthurt ? Some pros said s1mple and they didn't explain why ??????? Why does dev1ce need to do an essay? Plus they answer quickly, it's for Blast so there are cuts etc, the players do it because it's mandatory and it's good for communication.
2021-01-17 17:45
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Everyone answers who and why. But while editing they only put the real juice. Thank you for learning how things work.
2021-01-17 17:46
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That's exactly what I said down below in the comments so I do know how it works, the format doesn't allow in depth arguments or analysis, though sometimes some crucial information slips in. The video from Rivalry is a bit more in depth as to why, from Olof and Guardian, ART if you want arguments as to why ^^. But your statement isn't entirely wrong.
2021-01-17 18:16
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I know I watched that. Its ok, ZywOo is beast but I feel like s1mple was top1 2020. But towards the end ZywOo was insane but him playing decent in the start will fuck him.
2021-01-17 18:17
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Alright we finally reach an agreement ^^ You believe s1mple, I believe ZywOo But the fact is that IT'S INCREDIBLY CLOSE (they literally have the same stats in playoffs O_o).
2021-01-17 20:49
Why you hating on s1mple so much? Did he slept with your mom last night?
2021-01-17 18:11
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fuck off! I'm literally not saying ANYTHING. You're reported btw.
2021-01-17 18:17
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Cry is free
2021-01-17 20:36
If he had said simple would you be shedding tears for zywoo like you do now for simple?
2021-01-17 17:47
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>shedding tears Are you ok????? Idc now, and if he would have said s1mple, I would have not cared either. Its just the truth that devices biggest rival is s1mple for 3/4 years now.
2021-01-17 17:51
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Well, depends how you figure. device has said dozens of times that he doesnt care about his individual ranking. (obviously who wouldnt want to be #1 tho) Navi and astralis are also playing completely different ways which favors simple much more in terms of individual stats. However everyone knows that mechanically simple is better, there is no question about that. Between zywoo and simple though it depends more on the date and time. Both are on a league of their own and noone else comes even close currently.
2021-01-17 17:55
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> Navi and astralis are also playing completely different ways which favors simple much more in terms of individual stats. ok bye
2021-01-17 17:56
31 replies
Ah I see that you cant even understand basic cs. Nothing more to discuss.
2021-01-17 17:59
28 replies
yes me silver ruski mens))))))))))))
2021-01-17 18:00
Well yhea. I thought he was discussing but he's just a fanboy, I wasted time on him. Literally everyone, even CIS fans say Na'Vi plays around s1mple and setup him up a lot because Na'Vi is star-centered with him and Electronic but he says no ? I'm sorry but I've watched a lot of demos from the top 3 teams ( My favorite player is Electronic and ZywOo because of what they do on the map) and there's no way you can't see that if you watch enough of their games.
2021-01-17 18:20
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Exactly. No other player gets set up as hard as simple but thats how navi likes to play so im not judging on that. However, to claim that simple is ”better player” than zywoo/device/whoever because of his higher kd is just idiotic. Simple has saved navi many times for sure but he has also lost them games just because he goes for the fancy-kill/plays for frags. Impact tells more than enough tho. If the likes of zywoo have higher impact with smaller kd while playing way less awp its kinda self explanatory. Zywoo best pistol player 2020, best clutcher, highest impact, most mvps and a bunch of insane plays is the reason he should be #1 this year. But according to bunch of simplefanboys simple is better player anyway despite the facts. Lel.
2021-01-17 19:08
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Also playing less maps and was gone 6 months of the year.. lol
2021-01-17 19:16
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Look at his stats at the beginning of the year, he's just behind s1mple despite having a slump as a player and as team, the worst period of Vitality the last 2 years. s1mple had a lot of downs in 2019, and ups and downs in 2020 with CIS RMRs and some other events, why don't you mention it if we're talking about slumps ? Everybody have slumps, that's why we rank each year, not each month.
2021-01-17 19:40
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Cis RMR WONT BE COUNTED, how many times do people have to fuckign tell you this LOL
2021-01-17 19:41
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CIS RMRs will be counted on overall rating of a player but It won't be counted on any notable stats because they weren't MVP worthy and their formats were often with 8 teams, level of opposition was low too and yet Na'Vi didn't even managed to get 3-4th place in them. But that's definetely a slump from s1mple. Just that s1mple won't affected a lot in terms of stats by it (despite having 1.11 rating or similar on them) while ZywOo's "slump" rating of 1.25 in Katowice will be counted. That's all there is to it, there are considerations for elite events, elite event playoffs, MVP worthy tournament ratings, MVP worthy tournament playoffs, overall playoffs, etc. I'm not talking about the ranking since you did here you go (I discuss day and night with SWARN151 and he's in frequent talks with the HLTV staff) so I do know all of this. You were talking about slumps and form, I replied to you accordingly. Both had slumps.
2021-01-17 19:50
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Slumps? playing 1 event badly isnt a slump, being gone for 6 months is a slump lmao
2021-01-17 19:58
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Notice the "s" next to CIS RMRs , it means there were more than one of them.
2021-01-17 20:33
1 reply
Still better than being gone for 6 months, dafuq dont u understand
2021-01-17 23:59
Doesnt matter wether he was behind simple or not, simples consistency outshined zywoos this year wether you like it or not.
2021-01-17 19:41
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That's your opinion. Maybe HLTV will align with your opinion while providing arguments which you didn't. Maybe it will not, we'll have to see this in 2 days. The fact is there's a case for both, unlike in 2019.
2021-01-17 19:51
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Its not my opinion that simple was more consistent than zywoo. its a fact, what are you on about?
2021-01-17 19:57
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If it's a fact, explain it to me in details, provide something (I bet you won't).
2021-01-17 20:34
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Typical simple fanboy. Comes up with arguments and made up facts without providing any evidence except for ”cuz I say so”
2021-01-17 21:52
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OH look, simple biggest hater is here, also if You read my responses at all you'd notice im a zywoo fan lmao
2021-01-18 00:00
The fact that s1mple has been consistently puttning up numbers throughout The whole year compared to zywoo that plsyed for 5 months?
2021-01-18 00:04
What? It’s a fact zywoo is more consistent than s0mple. S0mple only played 7 months vs zywoo 12, put up better numbers than s0mple all year.
2021-01-18 03:27
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This is the biggest bait on the planet, 0/8 to you my good sir
2021-01-18 03:31
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0/8 cry zywoo#1
2021-01-18 20:14
I have personal preference for ZywOo's playstyle and Vitality's playstyle, so there goes my bias, though I love Electronic despite disliking Na'Vi's playstyle (their T side can either look beautiful or horrible considering it's really hard to play like they do, slowly (maybe too slowly) and spread out, and s1mple just doesn't move to utilize informations on map). But your claims on stats, outside of your opinion, is most definetely accurate and stats show it . By inflated stats did you mean this or something else ? : By inflated stats I mean this also in 2020: 1) s1mple 1.29 rating 2.0 > 1.42 KD / 1.33 Impact rating 2) Dev1ce 1.20 rating 2.0 > 1.25 KD / 1.26 Impact rating 3) Zywoo 1.29 rating 2.0 > 1.33 KD / 1.38 Impact rating 3) Zywoo's KD ratio to Impact rating means his kills have massive impact on round wins. 2) dev1ce has a fairly good impact and almost 1:1 ratio from KD to Impact rating. 1) s1mple has great impact but his ratio KD to Impact rating is bad which means he gets meaningless kills that don't win rounds like eco frags/exit frags and this is confirmed by the eyetest when you watch Na'Vi demos, he is really passive, laid-back (Gla1ve said on HLTV confirmed I believe) and he is often saving/clutching (Jame time). I believe Gla1ve said that Zywoo and Electronic were very impactful players, more so s1mple which lead him saying s1mple was very passive. He's an amazing player and one of the best AWPER in the world (top 1-2 individualon the awp) but he's not a great teamplayer, takes too much ressources out of his team and doesn't create space as Twistzz and aerial said in an interview: "s1mple lets his team create space for him while Zywoo creates space for his team, and I think that's pretty impressive". People saying he is a statpadder or a KD player aren't that much far off as the stats show (but ofc he's not only that, far from it, he's really smart and has good gamesense). Because he is such a skilled player people don't want to acknowledge he's a baiter while we easely acknowledged Cold was baiting Taco in SK ( and these guys won 2 Majors, Coldzera 2 major MVPs and back to back ). So what s1mple allows for his team is a bit overrated. People always blame his team or Electronic when they lose but Na'Vi completely plays around him, drops him every round (p250, scout, deagle, ak, AWP...) and he buys kelvar pretty much every round; that's kinda crazy. Looking at his money usage per map, he is prob the tier 1 pro that buys the most and takes the most money out of his team. (I have a thread which talks about it, though it wasn't its original goal, people pointed it out in the comments since s1mple's weapon usage % is unique and only contains prenium weapons, HLTV doesn't provide stats for kevlar unfortunately). Na'Vi is really star-centered, and Vitality was last year in 2019 but not nearly as much as Na'Vi this year (if Vitality 2019 was star centered, it was about 50%; Na'Vi 2019 or 2020 is 200%) In 2020 though, Vitality is not star-centered at all with apEX's IGLing.
2021-01-17 19:38
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Sorry for the late reply. Exactly what I mean. Simple is a fun player to watch, he has done some crazy plays and noone can deny that. However saying that simple is better individual than zywoo is just stupid. How can you even compare simple individually to anyone when he is set up so hard, plays full buy basically every round and is always the last one to go in. youtu.be/efmIaqOdsBY Just watch 54:00 - and people claim that simple does not bait.
2021-01-19 18:06
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Yes! He's an incredible player but people get butthurt when I say all of this^^ idk why he doesn't away how good of a CS player he is, it's just their team strategy is based on around him in every way because he's really skilled.
2021-01-19 18:44
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Yeah mate. But thats simplefans for you. They love to disagree with you without providing any arguments except for ”cuz i say so”. For example; Hltv rating obviously shows zywoo had higher impact in 2020 -> simplefans will argue that just because that would mean someone did something better than their idol. Just think about it, there is a reason simple is disliked and that is like 98% due to his fans lol.
2021-01-19 18:53
4 replies
agreed my first authored post ever was about them ^^ they're so obnoxious.
2021-01-19 19:32
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Oh and how wrong we were... Oh wait.
2021-01-20 20:18
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Of course we weren't but yhea, it was close though but s1mple fanboys acted like s1mple was better by far.
2021-01-20 20:20
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Man I love it. Honestly I think simple deserved #1 just as much as zywoo did, however I love the fact simple fans are so mad right now.
2021-01-20 20:51
He's not wrong, you're just fanboying.
2021-01-17 18:18
1 reply
ok )))
2021-01-17 18:19
Ahh nevermind other s1mple hater, should have saw your profile before the reply anlaki.
2021-01-17 17:52
1 reply
well he seems to be but he provided more arguments than you did, you're also a s1mple fan so aren't you just as bias, him in a negative way and you on a postive way?
2021-01-17 19:44
Well I welcome videos, I also know Jerry from Forze said ZywOo, so it has been done in the past but recently I don't know. These videos are 10 days old at best. That's the reason. But I remember CIS players talking about both.
2021-01-17 17:44
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I didn't understand who is better from these videos cuz barely anyone provided good reasoning and most just say irrelevant stuff.
2021-01-17 17:50
3 replies
Well the format of these channels isn't appropriate for well-thought arguments. This is just pros opinions.
2021-01-17 18:07
2 replies
this could be easily one way or another, depends on the pro you ask
2021-01-17 21:08
1 reply
Indeed ! See #43 and my comments under it. I've put disclaimers but haters are still hating
2021-01-17 21:18
they asked guardian!
2021-01-17 17:51
5 replies
s1mple bullied guardian and now guardian bully s1mple :/
2021-01-17 17:54
4 replies
I don't think Guardian is that petty, he admitted concerning Karrigan that they failed as a teammate to support him and felt emotional about it.
2021-01-17 18:22
3 replies
ye I know
2021-01-17 21:07
2 replies
Sorry I overreacted. I've seen people say this and they were serious xP.
2021-01-17 21:08
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I mostly reply with a bit of sarcasm or simply joke, so yeah
2021-01-17 21:10
JW 3 MAJOR ZYWHO S0MPLE 0 MAJOR COMBINED JW>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ZYWHO S0MPLE
2021-01-17 17:44
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ez for him, ZywOo best but not bestest, JW bestest.
2021-01-17 17:45
Gotta love shox :D Seems like a fun guy to be around <3 I guess these videos were already posted many times in the past few days, but it's always insightful to listen to them. Also, RL does have some credibility, even if not as much as other pros/analysts, as #11 stated. Another thing I've noticed is that, these same pros give different answers at different points of time :D At the beginning of the year, when Blast did these interviews (after spring season), and betting channels (betway and all, after Katowice), almost everyone (actually, I think literally everyone) said s1mple :D At the moment however (at least by the last event in December 2020), ZywOo was clearly doing a better job than s1mple, as an overall player. Hence, the opinions of these pros are surely very well justified :)
2021-01-17 17:48
2 replies
Yes! exactly. These videos consider the current form of players. That's why the same video they did late 2019 went to ZywOo's way almost exclusively but the videos from these channels in the early rise of Na'Vi at the beginning of the year with Katowice were more in favor of s1mple, justifiedly so! and now it's the opposite. That's why I said these videos are 10 days old max. To make sure they're not outdated I literally stated this in the initial comment of this thread but I'm still getting a lot of hate xp . I guess people missed the point and fanboys are sending private messages now ^^ And with all of this in mind, we can't know whether they talk in general, this year in 2020 or recent form. They did talk a few words as to why and I would've like people in this thread to talk about that. That's why I named the thread Pros (opinions) about ZywOo vs s1mple ( your classic headline, rivalry made by CSGO fans). Also concerning RL, that's my opinion, It's known he doesn't have arguments of authority as far CSGO as a game is concerned, but It's true that I really don't like him, he's not my cup of tea.
2021-01-17 17:56
1 reply
+1 Agreed
2021-01-17 18:06
There's no real point asking the players. There's a lot of bias because they know and like/dislike the players personally. A lot of people don't like S1mple's personality and think he's arrogant or a cunt. Whereas for Zywoo they might think he's a boring beta cuck. They're both the clear best, the differences are negligible and all comes down to preference.
2021-01-17 17:47
2 replies
That's literally your own assumptions. I've seen players like Tabsen, Forest who like s1mple and it is well known Tabsen is s1mple's friend but they do over the course of 2 years change their answer. For example in 2019 (mid year) Forest and Tabsen said s1mple was better. At the end of the year Forest said ZywOo. Early-mid year of 2020 Tabsen says s1mple. Now he says ZywOo. Don't assume because people are friends they're not objective. Some of them aren't, some of are, it doesn't matter. These pros' opinions. It's not about right or wrong.
2021-01-17 18:00
1 reply
You have The typical "im right, you're wrong" mentality, you keep saying People are puttning up vague comments and bullshit, meanwhilee You have provided 1 link in 120 comments, acting like what You are saying is the absolute truth. Also, if i say that simple was more consistent, and You dont agree with me, isnt it your job to prove me wrong, u little dofus? I've said it multiple Times and I Will say it again, you're trying ur best to not act anti-simple, but ur extreme dumbness outshines ur acting by miles. Also i've aswered You with legit argues and facts allover The website but for some weird reasons those comments are The only one You wont reply to, so i guess that will be the case here too.
2021-01-18 00:09
s1mple can sometimes 1v5 the whole server against anyone, while ZywOo often gets owned by device, yet device picks ZywOo. s1mple>zywoo
2021-01-17 17:53
14 replies
May I remind you of a grand final where ZywOo did 2 1v4 (one arguably 1v5) ace clutches in a decider map ? Surely your assumption is wrong right or is this bait?
2021-01-17 18:01
13 replies
idc if he won a few clutches. s1mple can just win the rounds outright and solocarry against basically any team.
2021-01-17 18:02
12 replies
Sure but ZywOo can't ?
2021-01-17 18:04
4 replies
no, not in the same way
2021-01-17 18:09
3 replies
That's your opinion then. You can't explain it to me, pretty sure I'm a fairly good pug player and I do watch demos a lot, so do you mind developing ?
2021-01-17 18:24
2 replies
that's the cringiest response i ever received...
2021-01-17 18:24
1 reply
What's cringe is saying something vague which can't be proven or explained. Your comments don't provide any argument, you don't have them or you don't bother explaining it? Either way you're in the wrong till you provide them.
2021-01-17 19:54
Kill yourself pls.
2021-01-17 18:54
6 replies
why?
2021-01-17 18:55
4 replies
Talking about noob2mple can win 1 vs 5 Are You blind? Zywoo can't?
2021-01-17 18:58
3 replies
he can't 1v5 a whole match like s1mple can.
2021-01-17 19:06
1 reply
Alright you're definetely baiting^^ Your claims don't mean anything.
2021-01-17 19:54
name checks out
2021-01-17 21:04
Well you're a bit harsh but he's quite frustrating to deal with, he's saying random things and don't provide arguments. He doesn't seem like the sharpest tool in the shed either.
2021-01-17 19:56
expected
2021-01-17 17:53
Tldr?
2021-01-17 18:01
Pros usually don't go by stats to say who is better. It depends if the team did better the last events or not. If Navi wins events they say s1mple and if vitality wins events what happened at the end of the year they say zywoo. Can't really say who was better in 2020 both of them have stats that favor them.
2021-01-17 18:06
7 replies
The format didn't allow them to explain thoroughly why and it's known whether all their answers who have justification or they just felt like it. I remember Twistzz or Aerial talking as to why they thought ZywOo was better than s1mple in 2019 at the end of the year (pretty sure you can see these vids from betway etc on youtube). Also Konfig at the beginning of 2020 said s1mple and now he is ZywOo, so it depends on current form and the year overall too.
2021-01-17 18:12
6 replies
As I said it depends on the team achievements that's why everyone said at the beginning of the year s1mple and now zywoo. S1mple has basically the same ratings at events at the start of the year and at the end while zywoo had slightly worse ratings at the beginning and at the end much better ratings. Just look at Beijing and Fall Finals, zywoo got on both events the MVP since vitality won these events but that doesnt mean that s1mple played worse than him. Over the two events they have very similar ratings and maps played.
2021-01-17 18:22
4 replies
Of course, team performances affect invidivual performances, but they're talking about players here. Konfig said in early 2020 that s1mple was better as an individual than ZywOo in their current form. Now it's the opposite, It does match what you're saying but ZywOo's individual performances over the last 3-4 months are definetely above s1mple's.
2021-01-17 18:34
EDIT: here is some stats of the last 3 months : hltv.org/stats?startDate=2020-10-17&endD.. last 6 months : hltv.org/stats?startDate=2020-07-17&endD.. (higher rating and 20 more maps).
2021-01-17 18:35
2 replies
Those stats are not accurate since they consider CIS RMRs aswell which are not important for the top 20 list.
2021-01-17 18:40
1 reply
last 3 months, there were also EU RMR which decrease ZywOo's rating. Of course, there are different kinds of ratings and notable stats. Overall ratings, elite events ratings, playoff ratings, elite event playoff ratings to consider for the HLTV ranking. I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about current form without including or exclude tournaments, ZywOo has better form. He plays against way higher opposition in EU RMR tournaments and has higher rating than s1mple who had bad stats in CIS RMRs. How is that not relevant to form of the last 3 months ? I'm not talking about the whole year here.
2021-01-17 19:08
No, it wont depend on the overall year since zxywoo was gone for 6 months lol
2021-01-17 19:21
#75
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Thailand hahahoha
type here. i cant watch
2021-01-17 18:10
1 reply
Just pros saying either s1mple or ZywOo that's literally it. 3 pros said s1mple and all the others said ZywOo ( considering both videos, I didn't count RL's statement since he is no pro and I don't like him, he's not knowledgeable but if you want to count it then that makes 4 people) against ZywOo's 10+ something ( I won't count haha).
2021-01-17 18:14
zywoo is not even close to s1mple's peak.. how delusional somebody can be to compare zywoo to s1mple, 1.33 rating in 2018 is unbelievable, try next year zywoo see ya
2021-01-17 18:15
6 replies
??????????????????? This is not about any of this vague talk.
2021-01-17 18:36
5 replies
I love how anything you disagree with is ''assumptions'' or ''vague talk'' its the truth hombre, stop just blindly hating, ur making it obvious.
2021-01-17 19:22
4 replies
+1
2021-01-17 19:58
How is 2020 relevant to s1mple in 2018 ? I don't really understand mind explaining ? He's talking about s1mple peak performances from 2018 on a 2021 video about current form of two of the best players in 2020? Tell me how relevant is that ? "hater" All I see is you hating on ZywOo without providing any argument. As a matter of Stats, s1mple did have better stats than ZywOo had in 2019 but there's one category where ZywOo heavely beats s1mple. It's playoff ratings, he had 1.34 in 2019 while s1mple had 1.30 in 2018. In 2019, s1mple's playoff ratings were 1.24 rating in 28 maps while ZywOo had 1.34 rating in 44 maps. SO : -ZywOo playoff ratings in 2019 > s1mple's playoff ratings in 2018 ( 0.04 rating diff) -ZywOo playoff rating in 2019 > s1mple's playoff ratings in 2019 ( 0.10 rating diff) Talking about "peaks" is vague. It depends on what you value more. If you value more playoffs then ZywOo might have been more impressive. If you value group stages and all overall stats without filters then s1mple was more impressive. That's what I'm saying this is vague, without arguments ( I had to provide them myself for him even) since ZywOo had 1.30 rating 2.0 (0.04 lower which means he did way worse in group stages than in playoffs) in 2019 against s1mple 1.33 rating 2.0 in 2018 ( which means the opposite, he's done worse in playoffs but way better in group stages). Though, it's interesting concerning HLTV's ranking history books, how is that relevant to 2020 again? Here you go with your "blind hating". Don't put me in the same category as you. I always provide matter to the claims I make.
2021-01-17 20:07
no answer of course. Idiots
2021-01-17 20:46
1 reply
Ur answer is literally "assumptions" to anyone u disagree with you, incel
2021-01-18 00:11
The pros said it, and hltv is about to say it. Can we finally get rid of this shitty discussion? I liked it more when it was between teams.
2021-01-17 18:21
1 reply
Well it's over in 2 days. It's not like posting it now isn't relevant. I never did this besides for this hltv top 20 and I probably won't do it again since fanboys keep trashtalking me instead so the thread isn't a real discussion, it's just hate. I should have foreseen with this kind of thread though, that's on me. But nobody talks about what pros value like Olof and Guardian say why they would pick ZywOo, that could have been interesting since they develop their strain of thoughts but nope, better trash talk me because PROS have opinions which do not suit their taste. Whatever, what did I expect with mentionning s1mple's name is like opening the pandora box.
2021-01-17 18:44
So many mad s1mple fanboys in comment section under a video. Such a pathetic thing. With all respect to s1mple, but his fanbase is one of the worst in CS right now.
2021-01-17 18:24
2 replies
I do agree, I'm getting so much hate in private messages and on this thread while I literally stated that these videos consider current form of players since both videos are 10 days old at most. Do these videos during Katowice and people will most likely agree s1mple has better form. Idk s1mple delusional fanboys are not real Na'Vi fans. I love Electronic and in a way I'm glad his fanbase doesn't have a 1/10th of the filth s1mple's fanbase has.
2021-01-17 18:39
+1
2021-01-18 10:41
#110
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Sweden Trkmag
+1 just for the part about R Lewis
2021-01-17 18:59
"DISCLAIMER: IGNORE RICHARD LEWIS (he's not a pro so he's off topic and he also doesn't understand anything about the game, leave that hateful sophist aside for now)." that's so cringy lol. butthurt because he doesn't suck zywoo's cock
2021-01-17 19:10
10 replies
#119
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Poland v1ctorex
Now looking at all of his posts and replies its clear that hes desperately trying to prove zy better s1 worse and even giving wrong numbers and just lying xd so funny hah
2021-01-17 19:18
1 reply
To me ZywOo is better indeed and I prefer his playstyle/ Vitality's playstyle, where ever did I hide anything ? I just provide arguments to my claims, in terms of stats they're incredibly close this year. From what I discussed with SWARN151, they both have around 1.31 rating playoffs this year so it can go either way. I still support Na'Vi, this hasn't changed since 2018, I was charmed by Vitality too, a new top 3 team alongside Astralis and of course the youngfrench man ZywOo too. I'm also a fan of dev1ce, I loved watching s1mple in 2018 ( though not really in 2019, Na'Vi struggled a lot but s1mple became more passive and changed playstyle and didn't take risks like someone like ART does, people know it and he still does it).
2021-01-17 20:18
Not at all, people know I dislike richard lewis : hltv.org/forums/threads/2403923/richard-.. this is a thread where I talked about why I disliked him and again I provided reasons to my opinion. Now look at your comments on this thread and you have the gall to say this ?
2021-01-17 20:15
7 replies
"Now look at your comments on this thread and you have the gall to say this ?" what?
2021-01-17 20:16
6 replies
#54 And under ? You have the gall to say that ? DID YOU FORGET THE NAME OF THIS THREAD : " PROS ABOUT ZYWOO" Is RL a gold nova player on CSGO a pro I wonder ? I dislike him very much, I posted comments on to why on a thread a few days ago because an HLTV user made him banned from reddit again (since he used another account while he was still banned in 2015 because of the hate he spread in the LOL community). So you think I dismissed his opinion because he said s1mple ? Weird some pros said s1mple and I closed my mouth shut. I can't believe this. The level of idiotic takes on this thread goes through the roof. I might want to ask an admin to delete it, I don't want to have an authored thread with that many dumbies who can't post a decent comment. Some people did like SWARN151 but there are too few. You, on the other thand, you're really a textbook hater? I didn't do anything bad to you now did I ? I just said he didn't provide arguments and you didn't. #54 proves it, even someone QUOTE said " Kill yourself" which I don't support but it just shows you how frustrating your comments were.
2021-01-17 20:26
5 replies
your rank doesn't mean you can't judge something better than someone who is better at the game than you. clowns like you only use it to try to invalidate someone's opinion when they have no real arguments about why it's wrong
2021-01-17 20:22
4 replies
CHECK NAME OF THE THREAD The thread is about pros opinions ^^ can you read or are you illiterate on top of being hateful ? He said his methods were unordotox and talks about a double knife kill in the vent on Nuke. Do you really think he's right ? This is one of the most common thing on Nuke, even Hadji had a 3k knife kills in a pro game earlier in the year and a lot of pros do it, it's also very common in pugs, it's so common in the pro scene that often pros are ready for it so pros don't risk it. Furia wasn't in the pistol round. It was good to watch, it hyped me up and I really liked how s1mple played against furia, I haven't him seen being this aggressive since late 2018. But he's wrong on that matter, not only is he not a CSGO player, he's NOT knowledgeable about anything happening inside the server so he has no arguments of authority. Journalist ? (well if you want though he has no diploma) but as an analyst, caster or anything inside the game/server ? Big no. As a matter of fact, any MM player would have more arguments of authority than him.
2021-01-17 20:32
3 replies
"well if you want though he has no diploma" dude you're SOOOOOOO cringy
2021-01-17 20:34
2 replies
he has no diploma. That's factual, whether he's a journalist or not depends on it. In EU, you can't buy your way through unlike the states. Imagine saying cringy and talking about cringe. I replied to you while thinking you were a user but you're just a s1mple fanboy so just STFU. You have no brain. I'm done with cunts like you for today.
2021-01-17 20:40
1 reply
"That's factual, whether he's a journalist or not depends on it." He's employed as a journalist and reports on stuff that happens in the scene and is arguably the best at it. Just cause you're butthurt doesn't mean he isn't a journalist. i'm also not a s1mple fanboy, not even a fan. but he is a better player than zywoo
2021-01-17 20:43
zywoo pros? ez casual mad plays youtube.com/watch?v=F1b3qMmYI8E&t=8s
2021-01-17 19:19
I thought you were a decent dude who were actually a good discusser, but you're literally just putting his D in your mouth. As i've stated to you earlier comments and forums, you're trying to hide your hate/fanboyism. #115 #119 Ur making urself irrelevant on this site. sorry mate.
2021-01-17 19:26
3 replies
Nice try. A textbook hater saying this, what irony. I already responded to this. You're just ran out of arguments, many people said you were wrong already and yet here you are with your kind, bringing filth into my thread^^
2021-01-17 20:44
1 reply
You've ignored 90% of my replies which had Links and proper arguments and then You Come later on to cry about no arguments, wait until The 20th to see s1mple at 1,havnt been wrong a year so far and will surely not be wrong now either lol
2021-01-18 00:02
I've responded to that claim of yours and you're clearly in the wrong. If you can't see it then nevermind you're free what you believe what you want. I have no care for it. I also saw you spreading hate and lies in other threads concerning the same topic, of course heavely and always in s1mple's favor. While I do prefer ZywOo, I have never stated anything which doesn't get backup with proofs and arguments.
2021-01-17 20:51
Device - "Zywoo better because.........(pause)........zywoo" LOL devoice hates s1mple because he is better. Nevermind
2021-01-17 19:27
1 reply
who knows? I don't think he's that petty. All I know is that ZywOo is a dev1ce fan.
2021-01-17 20:10
as players: s1mple is a better individual and can carry games harder than zywoo can but zywoo is the better player all around. you never see s1mple playing b anchor on ct side. he forces deagle armor on ecos and had boombl4/flamie/perfecto drop him an awp on buy rounds. he also doesnt give up the primary awping role to a teammate. zywoo also takes more initiatives on t side and imo is a better rifler than s1mple overall, i think zywoo deserves #1 more but s1mple will probably get it judging by how hltvs doing their top 20 this year
2021-01-17 19:38
4 replies
"he also doesnt give up the primary awping role to a teammate" ??? s1mple was literally a full time rifler with guardian on the team. and as if zywoo didn't get awp drops. "you never see s1mple playing b anchor on ct side" for an obvious reason, he has to carry way harder than zywoo and make up for his teammates' fault across almost all of the map, he can't afford to stay in one place for all of the round.
2021-01-17 19:57
I hope you're fully aware that zywoo was gone 6 months of the year, which is why he'll most likely lose it, if they managed to atleast play decently from katowice, i'm positive zywoo would've got #1.
2021-01-17 20:00
2 replies
again with this ? Aren't you tired?
2021-01-17 20:38
1 reply
I'm a realist, not a blind fanboy lol
2021-01-18 00:02
EDIT: If you want to have fun, make fun of me trying to answer s1mple delusional fanboys like "Afloure" or "LULW_ KEKW" I responded like I would to a normal user. How wrong of me it was. You have to handle filth with filthy methods, ignoring them or proving they're wrong. #54 ALSO THE THREAD IS ABOUT PROS OPINIONS, not just anyone's opinion or host opinions. What do you think of what they say ?
2021-01-17 20:45
12 replies
HAHAHAHAHAH you're so full of yourself.
2021-01-17 20:47
6 replies
#43 NT fanboy. Just shut up you have no arguments, you're useless so just get out.
2021-01-17 20:50
5 replies
hahahahahahahahahaha
2021-01-17 20:54
4 replies
Signed up "2020-09-26" Nt sam2k
2021-01-17 20:59
3 replies
cry more
2021-01-17 21:01
2 replies
pathetic
2021-01-17 21:08
1 reply
haha
2021-01-17 21:20
If You actually read even 50% of my comment you'd see that im a zywoo fanboy but what ever fits You and your perfect world sweetycake I even explained to you exactly why zywoo is a better teamplayer, teammate, and what is the reason as to why he wont be able to get #1, The only reason I'm argueing with you is cus you're blindly hating a player thats definitely gonna be above your precious boyfriend this year
2021-01-18 00:14
4 replies
I have no care if you are biased or not, if you're a ZywOo/s1mple fan or not, I need your arguments clearly for you to convince me, everyone is a subject, everyone is bias, it doesn't stop you from providing and noticing objective qualities and arguments. Maybe we got off on the wrong foot or something so let's try again. Give me your comment (answer to this comment) and I'll tell you what I think about it. Sounds honest no ? I don't even know what you're trying to prove anymore . that s1mple is better or who is going to get number 1 ? It can go either way tbh. I mean I've already done that with people who put well-structured paragraphs like SWARN151 who did a case for each player, gotten into contact with users and HLTV staff through users about notable stats etc. So I've reviewed and respected a lot of people's opinions for the both of them. I already said that to me ZywOo is #1, that's my bias, I provide arguments and don't hide it, but I certainly won't dismiss any good argument in s1mple's favor (his stats, etc are all factual and depend on tourneys you value or exclude). s1mple and ZywOo are both contenders for the top #1 hltv. Denying it would what a delusional hater would do. I have never done that like the s1mple fanboys on the thread harassing me because their views don't align with some pros who answered this question a few days ago.
2021-01-18 02:44
3 replies
You're dismissing 1 single thing, and its who had the best consistency out of the 2, simple definitely had a better one. I remember writing with swarn a day ago or two, about the possibilities of s1mple being #1 and zywoo being #1, even he agreed that simple was more consistent, so idek mate :/
2021-01-18 02:58
other than that a huge fucking +1
2021-01-18 02:59
I'm very confident simple will get #1, but even if im wrong i wont be surprised, cus both definitely deserve #1 in their own ways. I think hltv need to interpret another kind of top20 aswell as the normal one.(I'm most likely just talking out of my ass rn, gn and have a great night)
2021-01-18 04:34
#181
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China VeryXxGuy
good video, reflects my views perfectly
2021-01-17 21:52
imagine hating richard lewis, i can't take anyone seriously who does that you have to be baiting
2021-01-18 00:09
5 replies
I'm not baiting. This thread (name) is about PROS' OPINIONS, RL is not a pro, whether if I like him or not is off-topic ( and Yes I dislike him very much if you want to know).
2021-01-18 02:35
3 replies
ok then you're either baiting or corrupt/a cheater, because everyone who hates RL is one of those things
2021-01-19 17:14
2 replies
LOL nt NA ^^ it has nothing to do with this. Also RL cheated on CSS ^^ he already got exposed on that and now he's milking on braindeads like you who watch his content who what ? On cheaters ! Who would have thought.
2021-01-19 17:49
I don't like him, what does it have to do with you btw ?
2021-01-19 17:50
Imagine hating anyone. But he's the one deserving such a treatment the most. The epitome of a manchild mentally still in his teens.
2021-01-18 02:58
Most of them say zywoo because hate to s1mple , s1mple is device nightmare and biggest rival of course he will say zywoo than s1mple lol
2021-01-18 02:49
1 reply
0/8, Most of these aren't braindead like users here
2021-01-18 10:39
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