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Should be ZywOo. No doubt. Coming from a NaVi fan.
2021-01-18 15:52
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I think so
2021-01-18 15:52
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#4
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India sid76820
doesn't matter coz i think even if s1mple gets #1 he isn't that kind of guy who would be happy with that. it's just a title.
2021-01-18 15:54
23 replies
Idk , he wants to win always as a team he says but I'm pretty sure individual title metters too , they motivates you
2021-01-18 15:55
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#14
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India sid76820
yeah it does matter but since he has gotten it already he may not be as desperate. i mean getting #1 is obv something he wants but winning a major is more imp
2021-01-18 15:57
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if u watch his streams, u would know that he does care
2021-01-18 16:00
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#23
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India sid76820
ig its more to do with him being better than zywoo and winning more tournaments. since he hasn't won many tournaments (which he should have) it won't make him anymore happier if he gets no. 1 coz it doesn't mean much.
2021-01-18 16:02
that's just him being tilted by the whole zywoo vs s1mple competition thing. he's already been no.1, at this point he should focus on teamplay and try to focus on winning the major.
2021-01-18 18:04
He said that he wants to win, but he is offended that they are losing in a stupid way. He is happy with the team, but there are days or moments when they just have no luck. For me, it doesn't matter who is the top 1. In individual play, s1mple is stronger, in skill, too. But ZywOo is not far behind ... Anyway, it's just a game ...
2021-01-18 18:36
#74
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North America 007DBR9
he would probably be upset that navi isn't number 1 more so than not getting #1 on hltv
2021-01-18 18:44
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that's what he would say, but imo not what he would actually feel we are talking about the person who every now and then trying to knife knowing that it can cost navi a game only that proves that he is more about his ego, than his team
2021-01-18 23:43
nah, that's really important for him, for his ego
2021-01-18 15:55
#11
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Ukraine McSwell
Both should be happy, cuz each achieved something in 2020 that top-1 rank can be based on. Only dev1ce's possible top-1 would be an absolute joke.
2021-01-18 15:57
6 replies
device's top 1 isn't realistic. His playstyle isn't the same as s1mple or zywoo's. If he somehow get's it, undeserved? nope. But did s1mple and zywoo deserve it more? absolutely.
2021-01-18 19:50
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#82
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Ukraine McSwell
"Undeserved" means "somebody absolutely deserved it more". Dev1ce's top-1 isn't realistic in terms of how 2018 and 2019 tops were determined. But nobody knows what comes to hltv staff minds.
2021-01-18 19:59
4 replies
hltv.org/news/31006/top-20-players-of-20.. well I guess it wasn't that realistic after all. Should be s1mple 1st hopefully.
2021-01-18 20:01
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#85
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Ukraine McSwell
I don't think dev1ce is much dissapointed now. For example, you can win everything in football like Xavi or Iniesta without chances to get individual Ballon d'Or - but not make a problem out of it and still be one of the best players in their generation.
2021-01-18 20:10
2 replies
Device is the type of dude who already has got more than he ever dreamed of and still somehow keeps achieving more and more. It's those who're still finding their Major win that are the ones who're disappointed. Niko, s1mple, the liquid guys etc etc
2021-01-18 22:52
according to his twitter he is happy to be in top5 players for 6 years in a row and i believe it
2021-01-18 23:44
#15
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Czech Republic poledne
.... gogle s1mple rage .... he is maybe now trying to act ok-ish but he is rally really mean person .... just watch time when he was on liquid .... he got kicked form them becaosue he was to mean ... + that stuf with c9 rouster ...
2021-01-18 15:57
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#16
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India sid76820
s1mple left liquid and not the other way around
2021-01-18 15:58
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#32
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Czech Republic poledne
youtube.com/watch?v=2nZL2myPAzw&t=1s get your facts toegther..... he is a diferent person now, but NEVER frgot what he was before ;)
2021-01-18 16:32
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#38
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Czech Republic poledne
you don´t remmeber? he got kicked from hellraisers he came to liquid only th to friend where everyone hated him, becaosue he was saing to him team to do somethink or he will leave them etc .... then he (suprise suprise) got kicked from the team .. :D
2021-01-18 16:53
Actually no. s1mple is that type of players who likes attention to his person and fame. In interviews he's trying to show that top1 doesn't mean anything to him, but it means to him pretty much.
2021-01-18 16:19
2 replies
+1 but I don't think there is anything wrong with wanting to be the best individual player in the world. let's be honest, every player wants that the most.
2021-01-18 16:45
s1mple is the CR7 of the csgo world. He's more ego-centric and he never wants to lose. That's why he tries so hard to always be the best. However, the luck is once again not on his side yet. Lets see what he can do in 2021.
2021-01-18 21:12
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#5
s1mple | 
Bulgaria NateF
imagine putting fpl with the pro scene to determine the #1 player, that's why zywoo fans should be banned,. they have no brain. can't wait for s1mple to be announced as #1 already
2021-01-18 15:54
10 replies
And zywoo has like 740maps while s1mple has 1700+ maps
2021-01-18 15:56
1 reply
What a wrong idea you have ^^ 2 Years ago s1mple and ZywOo had the same number of maps and their winrate looked exactly the same. In fact Xantares's rating went up by 1% after 1000 games compared to when ZywOo played. If anything, a guy with 70% winrate in FPL can only boost the winrate of others obviously since he's miles over everyone else, he's got 10% more in winrate. That's why FPL only consider 200 map counts, even with low map counts, no other pros has that good of a winrate. BUT HE HAS 700 MAPS, between 700 and 2000 it won't change anything, just like in faceit where my stats don't move around at all after hundreds of games. Not in FPL, in faceit, s1mple has exactly the same winrate as FPL with 52% winrate ranked #700ish while ZywOo is ranked #9 with 72% winrate I believe in the whole faceit ^^. This does not prove who's better in a pro season, it's proves who is better in PUGS and ZywOo is by the far, he's the best player of all time in FPL (leaderboards twitted by micket at the beginning of 2020).
2021-01-18 16:12
nah, you are wrong, this only proves that ZywOo is a beast in both pro and casual cs
2021-01-18 15:56
4 replies
who cares about casual cs? he's saying he should be #1 because of it. But hltv doesn't give a fuck about that. They care about performance on events only. Btw s1mple smurfing in silver rn dropping so many kills, deserves #1 for it for sure
2021-01-18 15:59
3 replies
"who cares about casual cs? he's saying he should be #1 because of it. " he is not saying that.
2021-01-18 16:01
2 replies
I mean, he is linking it on a thread titled hltv nr1 so I guess he is kinda saying that
2021-01-18 22:57
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nah, he is clearly saying it as "on top of all the stats and shit discussed 100000 times on hltv, i found this graph, that also shows that ZywOo is a beast in FPL, compare to s1mple"
2021-01-18 23:40
No way s1mple gets 1
2021-01-18 17:11
2 replies
obviously he will
2021-01-18 17:11
1 reply
He won’t my Bulgarian brother
2021-01-18 17:12
Xyp top5 winrate EZ
2021-01-18 15:56
zywoo has better stats because he didn't have team back then and was tryharding in fpl while s1mple was playing tier1 cs.
2021-01-18 16:01
2 replies
Same time he hard carried a team of friends into EPL
2021-01-18 16:57
1 reply
Well people easely forget that.
2021-01-18 17:08
+1
2021-01-18 15:53
Read my bio and repent.
2021-01-18 15:54
15 replies
"(katowice should be double). And s1mple could have won 2 of the 3 Stier MVPs which ZywOo have if NAVI won" stop reading there. that's delusional as fuck lol do you know why ZywOo deserves it more? because of this part "s1mple could have won 2 of the 3 Stier MVPs which ZywOo have". Cause he won, s1mple couldnt
2021-01-18 15:58
4 replies
cry is free
2021-01-18 16:03
3 replies
not the smartest thing you can say to a NaVi fan lol
2021-01-18 16:04
2 replies
don't care
2021-01-18 16:06
1 reply
me either
2021-01-18 16:11
Dumb af. Expected from delusional 12yo fankid lmao.
2021-01-18 16:49
We have the same flair but good thing we don't have the same brain, otherwise the inside of my head would be empty void.
2021-01-18 17:09
8 replies
You're delusional piece of arrogant shit. I've tried to be understanding, to be polite with you. Unfortunately, it seems quite impossible to provide specialized assistance to mentally disabled people through the internet. But there's nothing I can do about it.
2021-01-18 17:50
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There's no need to be polite with me so your arguments are of this level : "And at IEM BEIJING s1mple got robbed cause of that 1v4 clutch by ZywOo". I've read enough.
2021-01-18 18:00
6 replies
That sentence is complete horseshit, I agree. I copied that text from one Albanian and didn't read it properly. But the rest is plausible and pretty accurate.
2021-01-18 19:44
5 replies
fair enough. I've seen that comment from him, he is dumb. Some of the good arguments in there are things everybody knows but there is a lot of bullshit in it. If it doesn't come from you then that's a good thing. Ignore my insults, I'm an aggressive person these days because people are spreading a lot misinformations under of the pretense to determine who should be top #1. To me ZywOo is the better player but for reasons that probably won't be accounted in an HLTV ranking. Though considering HLTV's way of doing the ranking both ZywOo and s1mple have their chances for the top 1, it can go either way, so there's no need to invent BS.
2021-01-18 20:01
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So never mind then) Top-1 selection is a really challenging task this year. Even Tgwri1s confirmed it: "This one was much, much harder", — he says comparing 2020 with the past years. I guess it literally 50-50 now
2021-01-18 21:07
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indeed but HLTV generally favors s1mple since he's a stat machine, this year there are 2 contenders for top #1 and they're very close in terms of stats so it's obviously harder.
2021-01-18 21:35
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Btw you appeared in the very last Launders' video. Congratz!
2021-01-18 23:54
1 reply
Oh I didn't know. How interesting^^ didn't know my post was actually useful to anyone but thanks ^^
2021-01-19 02:11
#9
Rapper | 
United States E_40
Should be jOELZ. No doubt.
2021-01-18 15:55
#22
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Armenia breasts
alpha canadian lol navi fan who thinks zywoo #1 = cuck canadian
2021-01-18 16:02
1 reply
nah, im just not braindead, i can see the reality w/o being biased americans would never understand how is that to not be a braindead, im sorry
2021-01-18 16:06
#2 Cantares
2021-01-18 16:20
twitter.com/thorin/status/13511608539581.. clear to anyone with a brain that s1mple was the most consistent player in 2020, carrying hard throughout the year. where was zywoo 25% of the year? exactly rmr tournaments sucess comes from zywoo impact no doubt november-december results - team structure + 6th player with 100% win rate on inferno, you just cant diminish the teams impact. there is no way zywoo can be better this year, simply doesn’t make any sense.
2021-01-18 16:42
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#35
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India somecunt
Baiter,Eco fragger and someone who gets dropped every other round vs Impact player,Lol
2021-01-18 16:47
7 replies
can’t remember a single game where zywoo wouldn’t have 5+ eco kills per map
2021-01-18 16:48
6 replies
And this is coming from a s1mple fan ? s1mple is a great player but he's a passive player and only runs in eco rounds^^ you'd have to be blind to not see it. Stating that ZywOo does this wouldn't make sense. I love running too in ecos, get em these easy frags but ZywOo doesn't do it, s1mple does.
2021-01-18 17:12
4 replies
the thing is, if i wanted to clip the last vita matches - i could show you his evo kills whereas you couldn’t do that for s1mple if im gonna be that butthurt after ur reply ill do it
2021-01-18 17:56
3 replies
Then do it show it to me. Take the last 5 games from both Vitality and Na'Vi and show me the eco frags count :) I'm interested in the outcome hahaha. Pretty sure you might want to withdraw while you can.
2021-01-18 17:58
2 replies
looks like he is still counting lol
2021-01-18 18:34
1 reply
hahaha ofc he wouldn't reply. When someone is spouting bullshit, the best way is to tell them to act on their words. Well, I know for a fact that s1mple presses W in ecos while he's fairly passive in most rounds (stats show it too even if you don't watch demos, but don't trust numbers too much, watching demos is more important). But still I never bring this up because stating this would make it look like I wouldn't give credit for all the other things he does as the awper. But here it being brought up in ZywOo's case ? What irony. Funny how dev1ce was also called ecovice when he was a contender for the top spot with s1mple and now ZywOo is the contender, and he's also called an eco fragger. What a fanbase^^.
2021-01-18 19:03
#51
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India somecunt
Ofcourse you didn't see a single game of vitality.
2021-01-18 17:29
+1
2021-01-18 16:56
thorin lul
2021-01-18 18:16
"clear to anyone with a brain that s1mple was the most consistent player in 2020, carrying hard" nt ruski, a typical s1mple fanboy, who tries to prove something using made up arguments
2021-01-18 18:37
4 replies
yet its you who got no stats, graphs, matrix in ur reply, nt
2021-01-18 23:42
3 replies
why would i add anything, if we all are still waiting for you to reply to Luboss, who destroyed clearly you with facts where is your reply?
2021-01-18 23:47
2 replies
neither him nor u had any factual information in your comments damn, and i thought canadian education wasn’t that bad if you could also read there is a special clause as to my commitment to counting. however, as I said earlier, not him nor anyone else spoke to me with any single piece of valuable stat, so why bother? thank you for your time
2021-01-19 22:05
1 reply
i accept your capitulation
2021-01-19 22:11
it was already leaked that it is s1mple
2021-01-18 16:59
HLTV player ranking is a list of players based on statistics HLTV happens to value the most. As such, historically Zywoo has every edge over s1mple on stats HLTV has valued on their previous lists, HLTV Rating, MVP's, tournament wins etc. I do like s1 more and even would put him ahead of Zywoo inside the server, but statistically Zywoo is ahead of s1mple and this is what the HLTV list is about. Just their way of ranking players.
2021-01-18 17:10
s1mple has 2 MVPs and big valued EVPs. So at the most its like 60-40 ZywOo. And stats say s1mple all over the place.
2021-01-18 17:14
#55
Jame | 
Europe Neaxn
zywoo
2021-01-18 17:58
#57
B1T | 
Europe Gigska
boombla not deserve??!! you are monster!!
2021-01-18 17:58
2 replies
TOO FAT
2021-01-18 18:06
nah, i use UFC ratings C - boombla 1 - ZywOo 2 - s1mple
2021-01-18 18:39
if s0mple is top3, it means dev1ce top 1, coming from Liquid fan
2021-01-18 17:59
Stop these threads wait till 21th Jan with them. People are tired of them /closed
2021-01-18 18:01
1 reply
if you are tired of them, do not comment here, just pass, no one cares what you think
2021-01-18 18:40
even if ZywOo isnt #1, he fucks NaVi's team anyway, thats the only thing matter in a teamplay game. like dev1ce 3rd, im pretty sure they dont care about it, they both lift trophees, s1mple doesnt
2021-01-18 18:02
1 reply
If we consider direct confrontion in finals then Na'Vi is ranked #2 while always losing to the #1 Astralis and #3 Vitality teams of the year, but I don't think HLTV considers it like other sports. Because football rankings certainly do.
2021-01-18 19:07
dEVVE TOP 1
2021-01-18 18:06
#1 in the name #1 in the game. It's ma boii S1mple real top 1
2021-01-18 18:12
2 replies
i can see this moment....
2021-01-18 18:40
1 reply
+1
2021-01-18 20:55
#66
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
I predict ZywOo too but it can go either way.
2021-01-18 18:14
s1mple otherwise robbed More important MVP and way more EVP Zywoo bombing out of groups in important tournaments s1mple has better stats way more kd and a lot of other shit
2021-01-18 18:45
5 replies
You're just making one case without bringing up the other, how typical.
2021-01-18 19:07
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#90
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Brazil Troll_JuJu
s1mple is top 1 cry is free
2021-01-18 21:40
2 replies
Didn't know you worked for HLTV.
2021-01-18 21:42
1 reply
#92
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Brazil Troll_JuJu
now you do baby boo in 2 days tag me
2021-01-18 21:45
”More important mvp” 2 mvps for simple 6 for zywoo ”Better stats for simple” Better kd for simple Better impact for zywoo ”Zywoo bombing out” - Vitality actually has more deep runs than navi ”Lots of other shit in favor of simple” Zywoo best pistol player 2nd best clutch-rate Higher impact Same rating when we exclude simple’s charity event You simplefans seem to get more delusional by the day
2021-01-19 00:05
I don't understand how we cannot take into account the weapon drop in the hlv stats I mean luboss did a thread about this that statistically show how much simple is dropped compared to zywoo. hltv.org/forums/threads/2403366/top-3-qu.. Literally it he wasnt dropped that much, how much is rainting would be impacted ? -0.05 ? No debate, zywoo is the best his year
2021-01-18 19:33
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I didn't do it initially to show that. But after reviewing everything for the QUIZZ It shows that he is being heavely setup by Na'Vi. That's his and Na'Vi's playstyle but HLTV will not consider playstyles or these stats (which pros or semi-pros who play roles will). So I don't think it's relevant to mention it, in the same breath of the HLTV top 20 ranking. It's leaning more towards the question of who is the better player, better for the team's success but not for an HLTV ranking who mainly considers STATS like ratings as evidence. Stats obviously never tell the full story. When you have an awper on your team and he misses a shot, he won't likely die but the rifler playing closer to the enemies will most of the time die because of it, stats can't show what's happening on the server. The ranking is to show who puts more numbers, more individual awards, more notable stats, the best entries/opening fraggers, clutchers etc (and ZywOo leads in a lot of these categories, like pistol player of the year, 2nd clutcher of the year, best opening fragger of the year etc, but there are plenty of other factors to consider in s1mple's favor).
2021-01-18 21:49
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I agree, but to be fair, if zywoo was dropped so much, his rating would probably be 1.36 and this would be end of the story. I don't care that simple is dropped so much, I just say that it shall be taken into account somewhere in the stats. For instance, a simple kill/dollars (where dollars is the cost of the killing weapon) may be easy to set up and interesting Delivering a ace with Glock is not the same than delivering an ace with deagle
2021-01-18 22:36
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I don't think it can draw a number on how much his rating would improve. Only dropping more the awp like in 2019 where he had 40% usage would make his rating go up. In fact, my thread on weapon usage % shows that for the scout s1mple uses it 7% of the time and dev1ce less than 3% and ZywOo less than 2% and yet both device and ZywOo have more flat numbers of kills than s1mple. Also, ZywOo out of those 3 players plays the least the prenium weapons and pistols, meaning he plays mostly the glock and the usp and yet he is the best pistol player of the year ahead of s1mple. s1mple only made 30 kills with the glock in 2020 against top 20. TLDR: he mostly plays p250 with kevlar. For people wondering, every team does that on the T side, you can't do a T round without one stuffer but p250 usage on him is thrice as much as anyone else when in Vitality or Astralis, it's not always device or ZywOo getting the p250, it depends. Despite s1mple fanboys saying he gets dropped every round because of his p250 ace clutch^^. Most of the time you'll see him on a glock or a usp in pistol rounds and also often buys utility so stop hating with no evidence.
2021-01-18 23:42
2 replies
exactly. all of navi players are setting up s1mple as much as possible to get the best rating as possible. zywoo is getting set up too but waaaaaaaay less than s1mple.
2021-01-18 23:48
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Well yes. What I don't understand from s1mple fanboys, not real fans, is that they're extremely defensive when I say all of this because they're stuck in that narrative that s1mple does everything for the team and has to have all the superlatives like s1mple 2018 . Him being heavely setup, him not entrying, him baiting, him getting dropped is part of Na'Vi's gameplan, his and Na'Vi's playstyle and it works because Na'Vi was top 3 team in 2020. I don't share that vision of CS and I prefer Vitality 2020 than 2019 but even Vitality 2019 isn't even half of what Na'Vi 2019 and 2020 was in terms of setting up their starplayer. s1mple is the captain of that team, if they do it like that, it's their choice, it doesn't take away the fact that he oftens delivers, even while being setup that much you have to be greatly skilled. But when I talk about this and prove it, be it demos or stats, then s1mple fanboys call me a hater or whatever without any argument. My favorite players are Electronic and ZywOo, so obviously the teams I watch the most are Na'Vi, Vitality and Astralis^^ I know what I'm talking about. Here is an interesting point of view to show that Na'Vi players are definetely capable teammates and that it's time to stop trashtalking them or blaming them when Na'Vi struggles (considering ZywOo is not being setup at all in 2020 besides playing the AWP on some maps and Na'Vi playing for s1mple) : ggrecon.com/articles/zywoo-vs-s1mple-who..
2021-01-19 02:19
It Will be a close one for sure
2021-01-18 23:01
s1mple becouse of LAN MVP Katowice,sorry ZywOo fans ;) !
2021-01-18 23:43
1 reply
fake news.
2021-01-18 23:48
its s1mple and this is coming from an honest zywoo fan, however both don't deserve to be in top 50
2021-01-18 23:43
2 replies
wtf lol
2021-01-18 23:48
1 reply
both are awp abusers
2021-01-18 23:48
yeees bro Zywoo nr1
2021-01-18 23:45
It's pretty obvious, yes.
2021-01-18 23:46
i think s1mple is the better player but zywoo did better this year. I'm gonna be happy with either results
2021-01-18 23:52
%100 zywoo
2021-01-18 23:55
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