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Who are GOAT and Best
elemeNt | 
Norway HeyYouDude 
Users, I'm just laughing at you. "device is not a GOAT", "s1mple is GOAT", and even funnier "he can't be the GOAT because he never was the Best" XDDDDD. Special for teapots, remember that GOAT and Best are two different definitions: -The GOAT is looking toward team accomplishments and amount of MVPs. A player does not have to be a top 1 player, the GOAT can be a top 5-3 player, maximum top 2. And he must to be a Major champion. (device, f0rest, fallen) -The Best is looking toward only individual skill and No.1 rank in the list of the best players. Here you must already be top 1, the major title is not required. (s1mple, ZywOo) And what about those who are both top 1 and have a major title. Then, heh, everything is clear, it's just a legend (Get -Right, olofmeister, coldzera). If you are not going to understand this, this are already your problems. Elementary things should be clear.
2021-01-20 08:50
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s1mple goat
2021-01-20 08:51
8 replies
Best
2021-01-20 08:53
6 replies
I understand your post but goat and best on hltv are mostly used in bait replies. I don't believe anyone takes these statements too seriously
2021-01-20 08:54
5 replies
The sense of my post is to show for kids that GOAT and Best are not the same things
2021-01-20 08:56
4 replies
you try to make a point on hltv wrong site bro
2021-01-20 13:46
3 replies
Well, dude, I'm at least trying to bring this kids to the reality. One Ivanushka not a king said the best, then he said the goat, kids thought that these two words are synonyms and started believe into this shit. And as you can see, kids are so smart, 200iq at least I guess, and they have started to mix me with shit.
2021-01-20 13:52
2 replies
like if there is one thing that i have learned in the last 4 years on the internet is dont take it to seriously
2021-01-20 13:56
1 reply
I know, but still, to think that goat and best are the same things is a huge mistake. People should it know. But according to the fact, and situation with this thread, I see that kids don't care about who is goat and who is best. The main thing for them is wait top-20 and j#rking off on high stats of their favourite players.
2021-01-20 14:01
+1
2021-01-20 15:05
greatest of them all=best \closed
2021-01-20 08:53
3 replies
Your problems that you can't understand this
2021-01-20 08:53
#32
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Finland Veeti777
Gota?
2021-01-20 09:16
no it goes like this: good, better, best but great, greater, greatest good =/= great
2021-01-20 14:01
.0
2021-01-20 08:53
GOAT has to be a major winner and TOP 1 HLTV atleast once. /closed
2021-01-20 08:54
9 replies
/ opened no /closed
2021-01-20 08:54
4 replies
nt device cant be GOAT only GOAT contenders: olofmeister, get_right and coldzera cry is free
2021-01-20 08:55
3 replies
They are legends, not GOATS If I cry, then you scream like bish (sorry for being too rude, but kid's cry is free is already fucked up)
2021-01-20 08:58
2 replies
dont cry then :(
2021-01-20 09:01
You just made up your own definitions and expect everyone to follow them ok
2021-01-20 15:06
#27
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Denmark KingDevice
So youre telling me that you think Olof, Cold and GTR are 'bigger goats' than device? then you must be delusional.
2021-01-20 09:11
3 replies
name and flag, but to answer your question yes
2021-01-20 09:14
2 replies
#33
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Denmark KingDevice
Well i guess it points out, but still im trying to be objective, what have they achieved that devve hasnt? a top 1 rating, where as device has been nr 2, and top 5, 6 years in a row which has never been done? 2018 was a 50/50 for s1mple/device if you ask most
2021-01-20 09:17
1 reply
Imagine thinking that 2018 was a 50/50. This year it is 50/50 but 2018 and 2019 were pretty obvious.
2021-01-20 13:23
name checks out
2021-01-20 08:54
1 reply
+1
2021-01-20 08:54
s1mple is GOAT and Cry is free
2021-01-20 08:57
14 replies
Said kid who even doesn't know what is anecdote
2021-01-20 08:59
10 replies
nt Noscene
2021-01-20 08:59
9 replies
Well, even you have already burnt yourself. You, sam2k and Nt_NoScene are the same.
2021-01-20 09:02
8 replies
I am not sam2k.
2021-01-20 09:02
7 replies
Prove. One of the users already has burnt the real face of sam2k, who is Vova Kochergin. And your expressions, sam2k's and NoScene's are absolutely the same. And if you think that alts are not allowed in hltv, then you, my friend, are really wrong.
2021-01-20 09:06
6 replies
I dont even know what you mean by first line ?? Burnt the face ?? What does that mean ?? Do you mean Vovoa Kochergin is sam2k.
2021-01-20 09:09
5 replies
By the burnt the real face I mean to reveal your personality, deed, and the like.
2021-01-20 09:15
4 replies
So, you mean sam2k is Vovoa Kochergin. I would like to meet him. He is my idol and the best user here
2021-01-20 09:19
3 replies
#42
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Turkey ZaTaa
Nt sam2k alt
2021-01-20 09:22
You can write him in VK. He has an avatar like a.. there is a smiling girl, and Vovka n the background of the avatar.
2021-01-20 09:22
shizo
2021-01-20 11:46
Nobody is "crying" for having a different opinion, friend...
2021-01-20 18:38
2 replies
He is misleading users from the fact that s1mple is GOAT
2021-01-20 18:42
1 reply
Again, it's the difference of "opinions", there is no fact to be had here.
2021-01-20 19:12
quick maths
2021-01-20 09:01
2 replies
It's just like 2+2, absolutely the same. If a person thinks that GOAT and Best are the same things, then it means that he can't count 2+2. And this is the problem.
2021-01-20 09:08
1 reply
I like your philosophy. +1
2021-01-20 09:10
S1mple too cringy and too selfish to be a GOAT ZywOo potential GOAT because already 2 top 1 in 2 years at top and potential to get a major soon (still Best player ATM) Dev1ce GOAT because 4 major and 5/6 top 5 finishes in top 20 ranking, nobody done that Olof/GtR/Cold/f0rest/Fallen/Flusha legends because they were at top few years and won majors
2021-01-20 09:07
16 replies
It is good to see a smart person with good comment
2021-01-20 09:10
1 reply
Np
2021-01-20 09:16
#28
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Denmark KingDevice
+1, which would make players like device, s1mple and zywoo legends later on?
2021-01-20 09:13
3 replies
Dev1ce is already a Legend imo, ZywOo need few more years (2-3) at top while winning major, his skill sealing and his teamplay is better than any player who ever touch the game, then he could became The GOAT(and a Legend by the same way), s1mple should play more as a team and being less selfish and arrogant then he can become successful again (cause he is top 2 no bait)
2021-01-20 09:20
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#48
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Denmark KingDevice
Thought the same, s1mple will definetly be a legend, if he isnt already. Same goes for then frenchmen
2021-01-20 09:28
1 reply
Need to win a major to be a Legend imo, but the personnal level they reached make them very contenders to this kind of status
2021-01-20 09:38
Cringy and selfish has no effect on someone's greatness.. The greatest ever CS player is f0rest. End of.
2021-01-20 09:21
8 replies
Selfish is playing for yourself more than as a team
2021-01-20 09:22
1 reply
I know what selfish means. It had no effect on if you are great or not. If someone gets everything they want, but still win everything, then they become great. Ronaldo has been labelled selfish many times and he's a legit great.
2021-01-20 09:26
why not Get_right then?
2021-01-20 11:47
5 replies
Because f0rest did it longer at a higher level.
2021-01-20 18:24
4 replies
entire Nip franchise isnt relevant since 2017, he barely lasted longer than get_right
2021-01-20 18:29
3 replies
He was elite in like 2006 onwards. Best player ever.
2021-01-20 18:48
2 replies
Get-right dominated in SK and fnatic as well.
2021-01-20 19:01
1 reply
f0rest was already elite, established pro before Get_right even got into those teams and became a pro. HIs level laster longer in CSGO at a high level. There no argument to be had really. f0rest has played at the highest level for longer than anyone and it's not even close.
2021-01-20 19:58
#72
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United Arab Emirates p1peb0mb
also 18 mvps.
2021-01-20 13:22
Not a NiKo fan but i think hes a contender because he mainly rifles and doesnt use awp as much as device, s0mple, zywoo. Edit: a big downside is he has no majors and top 1's
2021-01-20 09:18
4 replies
Bruh, without any doubts. He has 3 years to become top-1 and a major champion to achieve a LEGEND status. And with this G2's roster, he can.
2021-01-20 09:20
3 replies
Lets just hope that his ego will not destroy G2
2021-01-20 09:21
2 replies
And it won't, I hope. Anyway, G2 have nexa as IGL, and I think that he can make something with NiKo's mouth.
2021-01-20 09:24
1 reply
And don't forget the cousin
2021-01-20 09:25
kobruh
2021-01-20 09:18
1 reply
#52
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India xEleanorex
how many acc do u hv kobruh. stop it, you're not getting fans like this
2021-01-20 09:36
Simple baiting hard for stats.. will never be goat
2021-01-20 09:26
#49
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Ukraine McSwell
Another cry about dev1ce has many team achievements but is not valued individually. Just laugh and move on.
2021-01-20 09:30
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#51
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India xEleanorex
true kekw
2021-01-20 09:35
Well, in the future current Navi's roster will be gone. But the main thing is that they will be associated only with s1mple, not as the whole team. And I am telling you with the real true. Because you, and other kids, think that if a player plays 1x9, then this is fcking CS. This is not CS, dude, this is not CS. CS is team game, where players play on the same level. And when the others are shit, and only one or two players try to win something. Sorry, but this is not Navi, this is just s1mple and electronic in Navi, and they will be remembered like this. If they will remain unchanged. Astralis, this the right example of the ideal team, where each player plays for the team, not 1x9. And you, kid, won't understand it. Because it is necessary for you that s1mple always played 1x9 and had raiting at least 1.40.
2021-01-20 09:59
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#63
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Ukraine McSwell
You can cry a river, but straight facts are said - as long as Astralis is a candidate for a greatest team ever - dev1ce is not the greatest player ever candidate. s1mple will be memorable for ability to carry 1 vs 9 or 2 vs 10, as one of the strongest and individually (mechanicly) skilled player, no matter what team he is playing in and no matter what weapon he is playing with - from knife and pistol to awp. Dev1ce is just skilled Astralis' awp-er, getting along with the rest of the stars. Astralis might be worse without him, but dev1ce would never achieved a thing without Astralis.
2021-01-20 11:16
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device is not the greatest player ever candidate 0/8 and he star as rifler the change to awp for his team
2021-01-20 18:35
#50
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India xEleanorex
This definition is formulated by your opinions & biases. Any why does it even matter? I'm still gonna praise Godzera like my religion, simps gonna praise s0mple, peeps with recency bias gonna praise zywho, major whores gonna praise dev0ce.
2021-01-20 09:35
2 replies
This is your choice. But my thread doesn't contains only my ideas. This is a real statement, not only in CS.
2021-01-20 09:49
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#60
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India xEleanorex
ok
2021-01-20 10:05
device might not have been the greatest when it comes to raw skill at any point in time, but I do consider him the goat due to his otherworldly consistency and for being the most successful csgo player of all time.
2021-01-20 09:39
you can’t be the greatest if you were never considered the best player in the world at any point in time nt devic3
2021-01-20 10:01
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So you just looked at the name of my thread, did not read anything, and wrote a meaningless comment. How can you write a comment without reading the thread?
2021-01-20 10:05
tbh device accomplished a lot more than simple in 2018, should have been top1 that year.
2021-01-20 10:04
1 reply
The Individual skill is the main priority of each HLTV's top-20. That's why device wasn't top-1 in 2018. But Astralis were top-1 team in 2018, 2019, and 2020, and this is the most important.
2021-01-20 10:10
#62
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Korea ramza72
Whatever you say s1mple greatest of all time bitch even many pros and analyst said that
2021-01-20 10:14
#64
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Brazil killfell
Coldzera of course
2021-01-20 11:21
#65
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Switzerland Schwandi
Your favorite player does not fit the description so you just change the definition of the term? bad bait 0/8
2021-01-20 11:24
1 reply
I said as it is. "If you are not going to understand this, this are already your problems. Elementary things should be clear."
2021-01-20 11:37
#67
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Philippines Xphyzer
this is like saying messi is not goat since he does not have an international trophy but we all know he is the best and the goat of football
2021-01-20 11:45
#70
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
It doesn't matter what the requirements are because "GOAT" will always be subject to opinion. Otherwise fair arguments are made for clear contenders like Device, GTR, f0rest, etc...
2021-01-20 11:50
nbk- is GOAT
2021-01-20 13:19
1 reply
By the way yeah, top-5 2013 and 2 major titles
2021-01-20 13:32
-55/8
2021-01-20 13:25
1 reply
= -6,875
2021-01-20 13:28
#77
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Bosnia and Herzegovina Foxxeh
device is goat. in 2-4 years or so, simple may get the title depending on if simple keeps up his performance or if device stops performing best of all time is simple and zywoo is very close to beating him
2021-01-20 13:32
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s1mple can becone a legend only in this case when he will won a major, when his team will be improved tactically and when all players will play together like a team, not only s1mple. Becase we know what can be when s1mple starts play 1x9.
2021-01-20 13:37
#79
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Finland 5way
I dont understand, why tf everybody is talking about goats
2021-01-20 13:43
2 replies
Top 1/2 tonight
2021-01-20 13:46
Who knows, i just want that people could see the differences between the best and the goat
2021-01-20 13:47
#85
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Europe koml0w
maybe we can compare it to football, there were several legendary players and capable of having been the "GOAT" many consider the pelé, my opinion is that Messi has this GOAT title, and he has no world cup. The s1mple could indeed be the GOAT even though it did not have a major, but when the s1mple struggled to appear in the top 20, the device had already been top 3
2021-01-20 13:58
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messi never get the world cup but won 4 champions and lead the best barcelona and the best run in the history of football not like s1mple poor achievements
2021-01-20 18:39
cs is 5v5, people should stop thinking rating or KD means better, s1mple achievment list is a joke next to the legends, but he probably has better kd than all of them LMAO #znajder_1_major_s1mple_0_major
2021-01-20 14:00
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This is the main thing that a lot of kids care only about K/D, 2.0, and Top-20. They think if a player plays 1x9, then this is a "real CS", not understanding that CS is a team game first of all, where team accomplishments are the most important and prestige. Take the same Navi who are associated only with s1mple, and not with the team as in 2010. If the game is a team, then each team should be remembered as a team, where people will talk about all the players in this team, not only one.
2021-01-20 14:11
stewie 1 major how many simple/zywoo major??
2021-01-20 14:01
1 reply
+1
2021-01-20 14:12
#92
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Brazil Nicolito
Finally someone who has a brain. That's exactly. People need to understand this.
2021-01-20 14:15
goat: Coldzera Best: S1mple
2021-01-20 14:16
zywoo good but not best (s1mple bestest) /close
2021-01-20 14:18
f0rest goat /closed
2021-01-20 18:26
+1 For me, f0rest is the GOAT, but now I'm starting to consider dev1ce as the true GOAT of CSGO
2021-01-20 18:43
Xizt is GOAT
2021-01-20 18:43
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