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s1mple #2 because of RMR
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Turkey RumpLe73 
"If we only consider the eight Elite events, ZywOo's somewhat slower start to the year at IEM Katowice and in ESL Pro League Season 11 meant that he had "just" the second-highest rating (1.27) in tournaments of this stature. But when we also include the next four most competitive events (the three Regional Major Ranking tournaments and the BLAST Spring Europe Finals), he adds four very strong performances." Even with RMR, s1mple deserved.
2021-01-20 20:39
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Also you forgot Flamie Boom4ch and Perfecto
2021-01-20 20:39
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#4
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Russia D1ma_
perfecto is ok
2021-01-20 20:40
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#104
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United States TopBaiter
if he stops vaping
2021-01-21 15:47
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who fucking cares if he vapes you weird fuck
2021-01-21 16:54
#124
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Estonia TRopez
Nicotine improves decision-making and attention so why not
2021-01-21 18:38
perfecto is good , flamie and boobml4 need to be kicked asap. chopper and buster/supra would be ideal.
2021-01-20 21:01
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Chopper has trouble fragging in spirit but somehow he will do better against better opponents. OK hltv.org/stats/players/11840/boombl4?sta.. hltv.org/stats/players/7716/chopper?star.. Also its not the fragging thats troublesome in navi its the calls / team setup.
2021-01-20 21:04
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""Also its not the fragging thats troublesome in navi its the calls / team setup."" Exacly, thats why chopper prevails against boobml4. Also chooper entry frags like a normal entry fragger. Not jumping around like a moron and then panic spraying like boombl4 do. Also flamie is the cancer of the team. He is not good at anchoring , not good at all on t-sides , supra or buster would have 2x moreimpact at least than him.
2021-01-20 22:07
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If you want to tell me that chopper has better calls than boomich than i think we are done here. Second. Buster wont join navi supra might but thats not the point kicking flamie is like fixing titanic with duct tape.
2021-01-21 00:46
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spirit for a tier 2 team with some inexperienced players ,as more synergy and setups than navi tier 1 team. also chooper better entry for the team , not just jumping around like a moron with a m4 , like it is a mac-10 in his hands when its not. also supra > flamie. perfecto can become more of a rotator , and get better positions. You are boombl4 or you must know him to defend this bot when literally him and flamie are the reason navi is so bad.
2021-01-21 02:18
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If you really think boomich wants to play like this when QBF played a lot more team focused CS you are naive or i am.
2021-01-21 02:47
U forgot electronic top 5 2020
2021-01-21 15:48
#2
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United States IdolaMochi
You know whats crazy ? device getting #2 in 2018 after he had more mvps and a major mvp
2021-01-20 20:40
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#5
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Poland v1ctorex
yeah but i think that the stats were just too good for s1 and he won like 3 tournaments i think
2021-01-20 20:40
almost 0.1 more rating for s1mple in 2018 yeah crazy xD
2021-01-20 20:42
s1mple had 0.09 better rating than device lol, there was no discussion in 2018
2021-01-20 20:53
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winning major and major mvp > 0.09 better rating
2021-01-20 21:04
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so according to your logic tarik should have been top5 in 2018?
2021-01-20 21:04
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But major and major mvp gives him 0.09 more rating according to your logic, so 1.06+0.09=1.15 rating
2021-01-21 00:56
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You can do basic math good job now can you compare numbers? I am gonna help you out 1,17 > 1,15
2021-01-21 01:00
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It doesn't have to be top5, with a 1.15 rating he should have easily been in top20. I randomly said top5 to make you understand how stupid your logic is.
2021-01-21 01:03
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Now you cant even check names. Sad
2021-01-21 01:04
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wut?
2021-01-21 01:05
2 replies
Now you cant even read...
2021-01-21 01:06
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ok
2021-01-21 01:12
but u compare with a major winner and the second best player from astralis with 11 titles but yes s1mple stas was too high that year
2021-01-21 01:09
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He cant even check who he is arguing with mate dont bother.
2021-01-21 01:13
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What is that supposed to mean?
2021-01-21 01:46
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Maybe check the comment chain
2021-01-21 02:47
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Well yeah but maybe you made it sound like YOU were the big deal xD Edit: nvm you were refering to the fact that you are a different user than who he was arguing with initially, but that shouldn't rly be a notable point to bring up either way considering you just continued the argument from where it left off...
2021-01-21 03:06
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Well if he is too boneheaded to check such an easy claim than thats not my problem. Also he still failed to see it thats why i wrote it down. #44 and onward...
2021-01-21 03:24
#3
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Australia B_Tannen
You can’t guarantee anything. Without region lock, ZywOo potentially could have done better too.
2021-01-20 20:40
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I mean navi were on fire during lan, so it was looking more likely to even go the other way, noone knows
2021-01-20 20:43
As Striker mentioned, s1mple missed out on a few very competitive events, though by no fault of his own. And that itself could cost him.
2021-01-20 20:41
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That's what has costed him. Still feel funny how they couldn't give MVP or evp for rmr cis events. Hehe
2021-01-20 20:45
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#31
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Turkey rivaluk
considering this whole situation with online cs, katowice was the last lan event and guess who won that shit. s1mple got robbed.
2021-01-20 21:01
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#85
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France Insidium
Its such a pathetic argument, and its often the only one y'all have. Yes he won a big tournament at the beggining of the year, but didn't he lose rmr tournaments against tier 3 cis teams? Stop being delusional and putting only one event on such a pedestal
2021-01-21 09:17
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#125
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Turkey rivaluk
dude cis teams noname shitters who can arguably even cheat the shit out cuz they dont even get close to tier1 tournaments. s1mple / navi play better in lan we all know that and especially against top tier teams they perform. so ur point isnt valid at all, he wouldve had better stats / mvp / evps if he wasnt in cis and we all know that.
2021-01-21 19:11
#86
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Germany azmq
I’m not sure that was cost him. Hltv tried to include non-EU events a lot as well, that’s why NA/brazilian players placed well, Electronic is also highly placed, if CIS events were disregarded he would be behind BlameF or Ropz. Tbh I thought S1mple would take #1 because of that, but the MVPs did it I guess. Maybe Navis slump in the CIS tournaments cost S1mple the most
2021-01-21 09:17
#9
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Russia Veyles
because of zyw0q
2021-01-20 20:42
#10
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Nigeria STFU_M8
I mean s1mple fell a bit towards the end. And if he had won IEM beijing, Blast finals, IEM global challenge. He would be top1. s1mple had like 1.28 last 3 months and zywoo 1.32 so it effects alot as much
2021-01-20 20:42
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I agree. But the question is about mvp's and evp's for rmr event for cis regions. Hltv clearly says that zywoo was given no1 because of more medals than s1mple
2021-01-20 20:44
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#16
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Nigeria STFU_M8
At stier events: s1mple has 2 mvps, and zywoo has 3 mvps. Even tho s1mple could have won 2 out of those that 3 zywoo has. But he did not .
2021-01-20 20:45
If other CIS teams would have been ranked higher, he probably would have gotten an MVP for RMR events
2021-01-20 20:52
#23 Also ZywOo had better rating in important matches (playoffs) than s1mple, which was included in article.
2021-01-20 20:54
rmr cis is no elite or big event.. thats the reason why no mvp
2021-01-21 08:37
#11
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Ukraine McSwell
I agree. Basically don't understand hltv of brining "elite events" factor and then use rmr tournaments as decisive in the end. And only CIS region RMR stats and mvp-s weren't counted - both EU and even NA were.
2021-01-20 20:42
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eu rmr events were kinda elite since they had very strong teams there except navi. also navi performed like shit in cis rmr so even if they counted that, it wouldn't help him.
2021-01-20 20:47
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#21
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Ukraine McSwell
Strong teams but not much of motivation. RMR events are for making major points, if you are already qualified - you won't fight for victory much. Astralis are 6th in RMR ranks EU, nuff said.
2021-01-20 20:52
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well, hltv counts the strength and importance of a tournament by the number of top teams participating. it was like this since forever so there's nothing unusual here.
2021-01-20 21:01
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#35
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Ukraine McSwell
I agree, but there is also "region lock" factor. I mean, put NaVi in 3-4 tournaments with BIG, Heroic and NiP, while deny Vitality to attend such type of tournaments - and final result could be much opposite. That's why RMR events should not be valued like common tournaments, where all top-teams either get invites or possibility to qualify.
2021-01-20 21:08
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well, maybe. overall unluko for s1mple.
2021-01-20 21:08
#71
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United Arab Emirates p1peb0mb
none of eu rmr events were elite. s1mple played in all elite events. zywoo won 3 mvps,s1mple won 2 among those 8 events.
2021-01-21 06:07
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not sure exactly if they were "elite" but they were ranked higher than most expected
2021-01-21 13:07
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#93
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United Arab Emirates p1peb0mb
they were considered normal big events.elite events are biggest of the big events.almost every top team is there. ex kato,eu cologne,eu epl,beijing,fall finals etc
2021-01-21 14:08
Kind of agree that they have not included cis rmr event. Anyway who are we to decide this. It seems funny but yeah it feels bad when he had better elite event rating than zywoo and not counting rmr event mvp's or evp's for cis region and deciding no 1 and no 2
2021-01-20 20:43
EU fans 10 days ago "NA played in their regional tournaments too much not fair to give them spots" EU fans today "it's not fair s1mple deserved just because he played in regional events..."
2021-01-20 20:47
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Hahha savage
2021-01-20 20:49
Xaxaxa that's hurt
2021-01-20 21:13
#45
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France pol44r
Straight facts lmfao
2021-01-21 01:05
But NA sucks compared to CIS, thats the difference
2021-01-21 01:36
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Oh BuT ItS FlUkE WiN sry I had to
2021-01-21 01:46
One win for loosers to not make them cry i guess
2021-01-21 12:26
+1 hypocrites
2021-01-21 01:42
But NA is whole another region. NaVi can play in EU tournaments but he had to play RMR in CIS. We are talking about RMR bro.
2021-01-21 06:04
zywoo is just better anyway lol
2021-01-20 20:50
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only in baiting
2021-01-21 08:37
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cry more pls lmao
2021-01-21 11:42
#119
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Turkey ZaTaa
Nt cuddle slut
2021-01-21 17:05
Even if s1mple earned MVP&EVP for CIS rmrs, he would have had 3 MVP and 8 EVPs, which is still less impressive than ZywOo's 6 MVPs and 4 EVPs
2021-01-20 20:52
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Thats when you take into considerations what event was which mvp.
2021-01-21 01:10
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#77
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United Arab Emirates p1peb0mb
zywoo 3 elite event mvp.s1mple 2 elite event mvp.
2021-01-21 08:36
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Katowice this year was equivelant to a major, either way they ended up counting the numbers of mvps, so either way, well deserved
2021-01-21 08:38
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#81
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United Arab Emirates p1peb0mb
even if u count kato as 2 elite events. zywoo have another mvp also from an event s1mple played
2021-01-21 08:56
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I blame regionlock B^)
2021-01-21 09:05
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#95
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United Arab Emirates p1peb0mb
none of elite events wee regionlocked. zywoo played 13 events where he could have got mvp. he won 6 of them. s1mple played 10, he won only 2.
2021-01-21 14:10
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The EU RMR, navi couldnt play it cus of regionlock, they could only play the CIS rmr, so.. wrong.
2021-01-21 15:09
High likely, but he wouldn't a third MVP though, in which tournament would he have it ? Na'Vi ranks 7-8th at ESL road to RIO CIS and 4th at IEM New York CIS. Mir won ESL with 1.33 rating and 16 maps with Spirit and VP won IEM with Jame as prob the MVP if it was MVP worthy. Are you talking about Weplayclutch island?
2021-01-21 05:47
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If.. they didnt choke.. the grand final with a 2-0 lead?...
2021-01-21 05:56
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#73
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Poland Mickol
oh that was fun to watch!
2021-01-21 06:07
This comment was about CIS RMRs.
2021-01-21 16:42
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Well they dont give out mvp in cus rmr anyways
2021-01-21 16:51
yeah, weplayclutch island
2021-01-21 15:44
HLTV values tournament placings into the player ratings as well. If you weigh the almost equal rating between the two players, and factor in the tournament placings between the two, and you see why Zywoo got first.
2021-01-20 20:59
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#74
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United Arab Emirates p1peb0mb
hltv values mvps and evps.not tournament palcing. zywoo won global challenge evp even when he was out in groups. s1mple won evp also in same event,but he made semis.
2021-01-21 06:09
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They did value tournament placings though lol
2021-01-21 09:06
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#94
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United Arab Emirates p1peb0mb
evps matter. otherwise pronax,taco,stewie,nitro etc would have made top 20.
2021-01-21 14:09
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obv evps matter, but so does tournament placings
2021-01-21 15:09
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#100
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United Arab Emirates p1peb0mb
well zywoo got evp from global challenge groups stage itself. if you play insanely well on groups and still lose, you will get evp.
2021-01-21 15:10
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Whilst that is true, i dont see what that has to do with tournament placeings mattering? :p
2021-01-21 15:10
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tournament placings don't matter. What matters is how well you did when your team played in a semi final/final etc.
2021-01-21 16:22
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Tournament placings matter, as explained in #1 and #2 article.
2021-01-21 16:23
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can you send quotes? I can't find any sentence that says "tournament placings matter"
2021-01-21 16:24
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Simple fell off at the end cus of his lack of wins, despite having better overall rating and more consistency.
2021-01-21 16:30
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it says "awards" not "lack of wins"
2021-01-21 16:46
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Mvp - awards, win Win The event - 99% higher chancw of being mvp >placements doesnt matter Well yuuh it does. Kind amuch every stat matters some how, some more, some less
2021-01-21 16:53
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But you don't always get an MVP when you win a final, there is a chance that 4 of your teammates can get it, and someone from the enemy team can get it as well. If you win a tournament and win an MVP, its an individual award, its not the same as winning a tournament. So yes, in a way placings can help you win individual awards, but how many tournaments you win etc. doesn't matter in top20 rankings. If it did, device would have been top1 in 2018 and 2019
2021-01-21 16:59
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S1mple had over 5 mvps back then though, S tiers
2021-01-21 17:31
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Yes, because MVPs matter in the ranking, not winning tournaments. I don't see your point?
2021-01-21 17:32
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So lets say navi didnt win katowice, but still get The mvp, would u say The race wouls've been just as close?
2021-01-21 17:38
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yes, as long as his rating was still that high
2021-01-21 18:30
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I dont believe so, As s1mple himself stated, ''#1 wins tournaments''
2021-01-22 07:24
I can quote in a bit, in a faceit game rn
2021-01-21 16:31
yes
2021-01-20 20:59
It's because of bot Boombl4 and bot Flamie
2021-01-20 21:00
#48
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France pol44r
Do u know that an RmR event where the second best team is spirit counts as a tournament win for Na'vi thus giving them top 2 team of 2020 ,robbing vitality?
2021-01-21 01:07
s1mple missed playing in eu rmr's but zywoo missed playing in katowice playoffs and idk whats more valuable hltv
2021-01-21 01:27
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s1mple missed eu rmr because of valve's rules. Zywoo missed Katowice because they sucked in Katowice.
2021-01-21 06:07
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that was my point
2021-01-21 14:21
Katowice wasnt region locked compared to RMR lol
2021-01-21 06:10
Actually true its not NAVI fault they cant play EU rmr, valve should just mix both EU and cis rmr, makes no sense in separating them, also zywoo won because vitality had more finals and wins, thus more mvps, 4 when they lost, while navi only reached top4 most of the time so only EVP for s1mple, stats wise only s1mple had better ratings while playing more maps, but hltv cant factor in external things, so both are no1 for me
2021-01-21 09:24
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They cannot mix CIS and Europeans for RmR tournaments. Otherwise few CIS team would be able to go to major, or even none except Navi at 100% Indeed they are both Top 1 for the eyes of many people
2021-01-21 16:29
i think the biggest factor is s1mple being toxic. ZywOo never rages or blames teammates and seems very friendly and humble. In terms of skill there's almost no difference between s1mple and zywoo, and it could be argued that s1mple has more skill but it just feels good that toxic baiter didn't get the top 1 spot
2021-01-21 09:35
#92
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Greece Ploutonas
Obviously both deserved to be #1 but ZywOo a little bit more and thats why he got the first place
2021-01-21 13:10
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