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Liquid Grim
ZywOo | 
United States Frotha 
I’m just unimpressed by him, he just doesn’t feel impactful like other TL players.
2021-01-21 03:24
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#1
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Australia badgman
Hard to standout when you have NAF and Elige on your team
2021-01-21 03:27
5 replies
+1 silent fragger
2021-01-21 03:27
+1
2021-01-21 17:30
+1
2021-01-21 18:00
#80
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United States Hubterbean
+1
2021-01-22 16:25
+1
2021-01-22 16:30
#2
RUSH | 
United States ShawnM
are you dumb? do u actually watch liquid games or are u looking at stats?
2021-01-21 03:27
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#4
ZywOo | 
United States Frotha
I’m not, I’ve watched plenty of Liquid games. 2-4 good rounds doesn’t make you an impactful player
2021-01-21 03:29
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#5
RUSH | 
United States ShawnM
dude from watching the game today he had so many crucial 1 or 2 kills in important rounds to clutch them out, 1v2 on inferno, 3k on nuke, a lot of good shit and he had a bunch of opening kills on inferno as well dunno what you're on
2021-01-21 03:30
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#50
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World Beard43
+1 I genuinely thought he was easily their best player on Nuke, this thread is weird.
2021-01-21 05:18
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#81
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United States Hubterbean
This thread is goofy af he’s a rookie and he’s insane
2021-01-22 16:26
Ur actually a dumbass if you think grim is not an impactful player. If you watched the nuke game today he got 3k in probably the most key rounds of the map that led to Liquid's edgy victory. He is a new talent and does not have any experiences playing on big stage but he DOES deliver when Liquid needs it. give it 1-2 years and I guarantee you he will be in top 20 hltv.
2021-01-21 03:43
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#56
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Brazil largeshaw
bro that round on nukes end opened the game for liquid no doubts
2021-01-21 05:50
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yea man the entry was crazy. and given how little experience he has it was actually astonishing to watch.
2021-01-21 17:29
#11
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United States EDBX
2-4 rounds absolutely makes you an impactful player if they are clutches/impact frags,
2021-01-21 03:53
11 replies
hltv.org/stats/players/13578/grim?startD.. He had key moments, but that doesn’t excuse his almost non existent CT side. Stats don’t mean everything but I see threw a few impactful plays
2021-01-21 03:59
10 replies
1 map on nuke so far in 2021, idk why you're picking on him for 1 match
2021-01-21 04:23
4 replies
It’s the NAVI series, I’m not picking on grim and saying he is doing bad. I’m saying he should be doing better for the reason they picked him up. They picked him up because he performed insane on triumph (1.2-1.25 vs top 50 teams) and has decreased gradually over time. I picked the NAVI series because it showed generally he didn’t have much impact
2021-01-21 04:26
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it's just one series, the variability in your sample is much too high, if i got more holistic data then i might be able to side with you, not everyone is able to perform every single game especially against a top 3 team
2021-01-21 04:27
#37
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Sweden sesar
just watch liquids new fragmovie on youtube, literally 60% of it is just grim owning people. Also it's hard to have that much impact when u have that much talent on the team. His "non-existent" ct side may come from where they put him. He often plays B which won't grant him that many kills. He is not put on the spots to have the most impact. He is a great reliable anchor that can hold off against multiple opponents.
2021-01-21 04:42
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Lol, damn he has does have a lot. He had some pretty INSANE highlights before Liquid as well.
2021-01-21 04:52
#35
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Italy ROMAG
Bro tou r Dumb, off te hás no impacto in t side they NAF Just get Very kill in ct side. It's 5v5 not 5v10
2021-01-21 04:40
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Bro tou r Dumb, off te hás no impacto in t side they NAF Just get Very kill in ct side. It's 5v5 not 5v10
2021-01-21 05:57
Stfu pls you're just hating with no knowledge at all. Go watch liquid pov on his perspective.
2021-01-21 05:19
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Not hating lol, I never said he sucked
2021-01-21 05:23
you're hating him because he had 1 bad side on 1 map when naf just took his spot after fallen joined the team and they easily rekt the enemy team on that side anyway?
2021-01-21 15:49
He is the entry. At least your favorite team doesnt have a TACO bottom fragging all matches be grateful with Grim
2021-01-21 03:32
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#7
ZywOo | 
United States Frotha
How is he entry? He was like 3rd in opening duels attempts vs NAVI? Well at least 3rd in first kill attempts
2021-01-21 03:37
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he was in the entry duo if I'm not mistaken.
2021-01-21 05:08
I think Grim has done excellent given the context he is in. If you put his stats on a player in a t2t3 NA team then yes he would not stand out at all. But given the fact that he has NAF, Elige (2 of the best players to ever come out of NA) FalleN, and Stewie (major winners and some of the most impactful players in the game) I think that he is doing great for his age and background.
2021-01-21 03:39
Grim's impact was evident today with the amount of opening kills he got on their T sides, and his turret like performance on CT sides. Watching Stewie entry with Grim trade fragging was really exciting to see. You have to remember that Grim's skillset is exactly Twistzz, so he was somewhat under utilized on Liquid of old. I think we will see a new Grim with fallen helping to define liquid's roles
2021-01-21 03:42
I mean fuck the stats even confirm a little bit of what I’m feeling. hltv.org/stats/players/13578/grim?startD..
2021-01-21 03:53
5 replies
LMFAO "all matches 2021" as if that isn't one match. You're a fucking idiot man.
2021-01-21 04:04
3 replies
K, insulting me for trying to show he wasn’t very impactful during the NAVI series which the stats will show(until tomorrow). He won them the game but he wasn’t the reason the game was close
2021-01-21 04:11
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No, you're either a complete idiot or you were intentionally trying to lie using misleading stats. Going 1.08 in a match vs a top 5 team isn't a bad performance at all, especially when you're only the third star on the team.
2021-01-21 04:14
I hope this whole thread is an elaborate troll on the one hand you call B1T underrated, on the other hand you call Grim basically overrated. what have you been watching and getting from professional matches these past two years you've been on the forum?
2021-01-22 16:26
nice sample size 0/888
2021-01-21 05:42
#14
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Chile cristiaan
+who?
2021-01-21 03:57
10 replies
Don’t know, I never said he should be replaced. In triumph you could feel his impact tenfold. On Liquid I barely see glimpses. He played good teams on triumph as well, he just went way downhill since joining Liquid, which can be contributed to roles. I just feel something is up
2021-01-21 04:00
9 replies
He probably looked great on triumph because he was the best player on triumph. Now he is probably third best and he still doesn't look "bad". If we're looking at stats, since going to Europe he has been over a 1.0 rating in 17/25 maps, and had over a 1.10 in 11/17 of those.
2021-01-21 04:11
5 replies
He had a 1.30ish rating. Even if you’re a NA player a 1.30ish rating with a large sample size (like 40 games) shouldn’t go to 1.10 after switching team. No NA players ever have a 1.30 rating over 3 months with such a large sample size usually they hover 1.10-1.20. It just shows you grim is not playing in to his potential and something is up.
2021-01-21 04:15
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If you're saying what I think you're saying, you know that simple has an average rating of like...1.24? I think? And I presume you don't think Grim>S1mple. He is doing fine., and a 1.10 rating or above at least implies that he is having some good impact. Really, he isn't the person on liquid you should be worried about
2021-01-21 04:18
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No, his statistical difference was a huge outlier in NA and shouldn’t have decreased so dratiscally even though he joined Liquid. He should be better than what he is. His is playing like how he was before triumph which was just an average NA player with some nice highlights
2021-01-21 04:22
2 replies
? moving to tier 1 and playing a completely role(where you're not the sole superstar on the team and you have to make every play) will definitely result in a lower rating Notice that grim has a 1.22 rating overall but only a 1.13 rating vs the top 50 and a 1.05 rating vs the top 30 that's a pretty big drop, he was a big fish in a small pond in low NA hltv.org/stats/players/13578/grim?startD.. hltv.org/stats/players/13578/grim?startD.. hltv.org/stats/players/13578/grim?startD..
2021-01-21 04:26
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Yes, I did expect a drop off. I didn’t expect to it to be so drastic. It is also still going down hltv.org/stats/players/13578/grim?startD.. Look at the beginning on of 2020 which was basically his average. You seen when he was on triumph and then you see him go back to his average (his average was lower before he joined triumph) after going TL.
2021-01-21 04:43
Nothing is up with him at all. He played all the high-frag carry positions in Triumph, and on Liquid he is playing with a bunch of other star players, so he doesn't have the luxury of always being set up to make plays. He averaged a 1.35 rating against tier 2-3 teams in his star player role, and now in Liquid he's averaged a 1.11 rating over the past 6 months. That's totally reasonable. Also, he's now playing pit on inferno which might boost his stats. Other roles might change too since Twistzz left the team now, and Grim might fill some of his roles.
2021-01-21 05:15
2 replies
I can only hope
2021-01-21 05:18
1 reply
Well even if Grim's stats didn't increase that wouldn't be an issue. 1.11 is great. He just dies a lot since he is often the first guy into the site.
2021-01-21 05:26
I think he's doing fine for being new. He's been more impactful then Twistzz was in 2020 that I'm certain of. In fact he's really the reason that letting Twistzz go was 'ok'. Not a large enough sample size to really draw any firm conclusion on where he'll eventually rank alongside international players but as of now I see nothing at all that would make me want to give up on him.
2021-01-21 04:19
6 replies
Same, I just expected better from a guy had such an outlier performance in the NA scene
2021-01-21 04:23
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ofc you expect because you are dumb he had 1.30 rating being the star and playing only in NA vs tier 5 teams now he plays in EU against top 5-10 teams and he isnt the star player anymore
2021-01-21 04:25
Fair enough. One thing I'd point out is that Triumph set up Grim to be the star. Liquid's not doing that. Anyway let him get a year or so under his belt at this level and we'll see where he's at. I think with what he's shown so far he's earned that at least. Besides the only young NA player I'd really want over him is Obo and he's been out of the scene a while now, shown to be unpredictable/emotional (right or wrong no judgement) and likely very expensive.
2021-01-21 04:27
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Yeah, I agree. Grins Insane highlights in triumph just made me expect better. If he is capable of such insane highlights and ups why not play around him? I also liked your kindness
2021-01-21 04:38
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That game against MIBR was insane. In fact and I wish I had the highlight bookmarked somewhere but that triple spray he had against them on Dust 2 was like the fastest spray transfer I've ever seen no hyperbole. Edit: youtube.com/watch?v=Dpx_Me59mGc Round 7. It's against an eco but it really doesn't matter. I don't think if they had full armor and buffed Kriegs they would have been able to react to that. Insane sequence. So I actually kind of get where you are coming from. He looked like a little Niko on Triumph. Just the same give him time, think he'll be a + player at least. If not top 20 down the road.
2021-01-21 15:51
imagine obo oh my top 1 team, right there
2021-01-21 17:35
Grim is Liquid/s broky if u dont know cs dont come here shitpost pls ty
2021-01-21 04:34
2 replies
STFU, ty :)
2021-01-21 04:36
1 reply
saying grim doesnt contribute to the team is completely absurd, go learn and stfu dog
2021-01-21 06:54
#36
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Italy ROMAG
Dumbest thread ever, HLTV analyst are always sO gOoD oMFg
2021-01-21 04:41
You need to realize that although he was the star of triumph, he doesn't have the same role anymore. His holds are really good, he can clutch when they need him to, and he plays well with the team. Don't know what else you want from him.
2021-01-21 04:43
1 reply
+1
2021-01-21 05:30
He's ok, man. He's much better than trash players like flamie, b1t , boombla
2021-01-21 04:43
4 replies
I can agree on that
2021-01-21 04:46
3 replies
I expected GOAT play by Grim when he join Liquid, but he's just usual player in that team
2021-01-21 05:59
2 replies
+1, I at least expected him to put some star numbers against NA teams on Liquid
2021-01-21 06:04
1 reply
Sometime players can't play good in one team, but they can be GOAT in another one. For example, Felps. Compare his firepower before he join SK and when he play in SK. Look at him right now. He's good again (but versus tier3 teams xD). Bymas... He was so bad in Faze, but when he join Mousesports become much better. Maybe it same with Grim and Liquid
2021-01-21 06:17
stats arent everything, you could have a 10-25 match in 16-14 game where you clutch 5 times in a row from 11-14. Tell me this imaginary man doesn't have impact.
2021-01-21 04:45
He just jumped from low tier to top tier, let him digest the transition. He is truly talented but he just joined TL not long ago so give him some more time I'm sure he will keep improving and be more impactful as the time goes on.
2021-01-21 04:45
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I agree he needs more time and I never said he didn’t. He just had SOOOO much impact on triumph compared to other teams that he’s played and I expected to see at least some of it in Liquid. All I have seen is him generally go down hill
2021-01-21 04:52
2 replies
Thing is that it's much easier for him to have a big impact against lower tier it's obvious but idk if you missed that point
2021-01-21 04:58
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I agree, I don’t think it’s drastic. I actually expected it, as his performance for other NA wasn’t impressive. But most people knew of Grim because of his performance on triumph because he probably had a the craziest highlights of any NA player in the NA scene ever. He also had the stats to back it up which most NA players don’t
2021-01-21 05:09
Dude did you even watch the matches when Grim joined Liquid?? He is a very impact full player, and remember this team has Elige and NAF who are the heavy fraggers of TL, Grim wins the crucial rounds and TL can count on him to clutch the round in a 1v2 or 1v3. I don't Know what matches you are watching of TL ........ Watch the full match from Grim's perspective and then talk.
2021-01-21 06:02
#60
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United States Slyckz
he does his job well imo doesn't need to go insane every game with elige and naf he usually plays well regardless and honestly, he seems to be pretty good at clutches
2021-01-21 06:03
i thought grim would be a great addition he is doing good but not the greatest i hope we see more improvements from him
2021-01-21 06:56
5 replies
How the fuck do you define "greatest" ?? Stop talking shit when you don't understand how Liquid plays and his role in the team. And if you think Grim is a bad addition, you can't be higher than silver elite.
2021-01-21 17:31
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salt grim could have been the savior but now since they realised grim was not the only one who needed to come to the team and decided to switch twistzz for fallen grim is playing better only cus twistzz space was now distributed so you are definitely a low iq guys
2021-01-21 17:58
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Lol you tell me im low IQ but your argument doesn't have much intellectual either. All you said was just based on how you feel after watching a few rounds. Maybe learn to have facts/proofs to support your argument before typing shit.
2021-01-21 18:25
2 replies
delusional fans cant talk to you i lose brain cells
2021-01-22 07:39
1 reply
yea sure sure. you literally try to make an argument with 0 proof and more like "because i feel that way" LMAO. what an idiot. don't worry bro you don't need to be afraid of losing brain cells because you don't have them to start with :)
2021-01-22 16:20
na brain or 8/8 im not sure which one
2021-01-21 18:02
#75
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Germany Droidd
you're stupid af
2021-01-21 18:27
he is support/clutcher. Really good player.
2021-01-21 18:29
#78
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Europe rust1c
he has huge impact in most games and he's crisp af
2021-01-22 07:45
This guy clearly just doesn't watch games, end discussion.
2021-01-22 16:27
funny to watch you try and shit on a random player just to have everyone in the world disagree with your braindead take
2021-01-22 16:29
I like grim, but I don't know why they'd keep grim instead of Twistzz.
2021-01-22 16:30
Do u even watch TL games? he get's a lot of entry kills and important mid-round trades.
2021-01-22 16:32
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