Reliation* ofc, but i already fucked up
2021-01-21 18:59
mind = brain = body
or am i missing something?
2021-01-21 19:01
The mind interacts with the body at the pineal gland. Our minds can control our body but our body can also influence the mind.
2021-01-21 19:05
My mind tells my body to do stuff
2021-01-21 19:04
nobody knows for sure and probably never will
2021-01-21 19:06
my comment really got deleted because i said dualism = dumbassism? lmao
2021-01-21 19:08
Which body exactly? Physical, etheric, astral, mental?
2021-01-21 19:10
our bodies are just a vessel for our consciousness. thats it.
2021-01-21 19:10
What constitutes consciousness is just a bunch of chemicals. Chances are that people who don't acknowledge that reality as the overwhelmingly most plausible one are just trying to cope with existence and life being meaningless.
Now the origin of creation, that's a question which will remain a mystery, a perfect field for speculative thought exercises.
2021-01-21 19:34
i see consciousness as something out of the body plane. People strugle to see that emotions and most feelings are just your body trying to comunicate to you what it wants. Meditation is a good way (but not the only) to think/feel and take your own conclusions about this.
2021-01-21 19:29
Mind is the subconscious of life. Body is the consciousness of life. Together, they are the flows of our own souls connecting one another and it doesn't get much more confusion than of this.
2021-01-21 19:34
Idk, consciousness might be mostly for our survival so it's somewhat of a translation of hormones, instincts, our thinking also is translated to consciousness somehow to make us survive and have offsprings
2021-01-21 19:38
I... Don't know.
I reluctantly lean towards strict materialism, im also very skeptical of free will. Most of this is based on intuition and faint ideas rather than hard evidence though, i haven't looked into it enough.
Maybe there's a something out side of typical materialism that constitutes our consciousness, but I somehow doubt it. That doesn't really seem to make sense to me.
2021-01-21 19:38
Mind is creation of brain (scientifically proven)
Body is ocntrolled by brain (scientifically proven)
Is there even place for speculation?
2021-01-21 19:41
wtf why was my very insightful comment deleted
2021-01-21 19:41
disclaimer Dumb speaking
They are different for sure, imagine you comitted a crime and gov sends you to jail. It is a place with water, food, exercises, even sex, in these conditions the body can be just fine, but your mind just cant be in peace living like that.
When you fall in love for something, be it an idea, a person, an object, what does your body has to do with it? Nothing, it is the mind seeking to interact with the world to build consciousness.
2021-01-21 19:44
It's not that hard, you need the right framework of thought.
In The US, end of 19th century pragmatism was developed, and its ideas have influenced kybernetic theory (WIener) and even carried over to artificial intelligence research.
Basically, every human is a kybernetic system: It means, you perceive a state that is far off from ideal, so you plot actions to bring the state to what you consider ideal. It makes you an agent. Your brain is like the computer that runs these calculations and your mind emerges from it kinda like an operating system, or you could say that your mind is the programming of your brain, based on how your neurons are connected, but more about it later.
First, consider your body - the manipulator that you control. It defines the actions available to you in order to reach your goals. Just think of it as mainly your arms for starters, because they are the first tools that every human becomes aware of.
So your mind and conscientiousness are mainly defined by the fact that they have self-awareness, and that is roughly saying they realize that whatever goal you pursue traditionally lies in the physical world can only be achieved through your body, so you have to preserve your body (usually). These skills emerge from the mind's ability to adapt to your experiences, i.e. learn.
What is philosophically relevant is that your mind is highly accustomed to the abilities and limitations of your body, i.e. you categorize things based on the tool you recognize in them. Why would you think that a rock is more similar to a ball than a fish? Because rocks and balls are tools to throw, kinda like weapons, whereas a fish is something you could eat. Also your brain/mind is highly templated to be able to build better representations, i.e. finer categories for things that are improtant for you. That is why you can distinguish faces so well, because it is really important for your survival and recreation to recognize people and their emotions.
So to sum it up: brain/mind is just lkike an algorithm that seeks to improve toward a goal, body is the available manipulator to the brain and restirct the action space. And there is an impact both ways between body and mind, because the more recent layers of human intelligence are kind of evolved in accordance to the abilities and limitations of the body
2021-01-21 20:27
First of all look up Sam Harris is you are interested in this topic.
Your mind is your body it is biological and exists because of physical factors, it is not just a thing that exists in your head. However you can manipulate your point of view to expand your consciousness. For example many people myself included see our heads as a sort of housing for our consciousness and our arms, legs etc as tools to use. To look at your hand and think that i am as much me in my hand than i am in my consciousness is a hard thing to do initially but it is possible. It can propel your state of mind further then you could ever think and it is how some people get into constant "flow" state. Also this is more of a physiological question than it is philosophical but there is a philosophical angle that you can look further into.
2021-01-21 20:30
Our essence is our mind, our body is just something we use to make our lives easier.
2021-01-21 20:37
This is a really deep topic. Menss)) at hltv won't give a shit abt it tho
2021-01-21 20:43
Depending on how closely you want to scrutinise that question, I can recommend reading the enlightenment trilogy by Jed McKenna. Specifically the book "Spiritual Enlightenment: The Damnedest Thing" but I've found them all worthwhile for one reason or another.
2021-01-21 20:52
you cant prove that your body is real
2021-01-21 21:06
you can understand this very well on activities like sports etc, I skateboard and run for years, its basicly concentration and putting mind and body into harmony, slowly with a lot of practice you start to control more and more both combined
2021-01-21 21:24
Consciousness and life are just different products catalyzed by bodily chemical reactions
2021-01-22 01:43
This is a really interesting topic.
Your CNS does a lot of things autonomously without you thinking about it.
You can also do things manually. You can think.
But what If what you do or think is predetermined?
You would never know.
The question is WHAT/WHO is giving you your thoughts.
Where do the instincts come from?
At the end of the day. We are all more than flesh and blood. And it is important to understand that.
2021-01-22 02:06
HLTV isn't the right place for that^^ University and Elite literature classes are. Not in the USA, only Europe. (if you can get in that is).
2021-01-22 02:42
its a relation which could be only fully explainable in a godlike perspective as humans we are only capable of to regard this as a fundamental dichotomy of human existence
but the main point is it may be a mystery but its not a problem in a pragmatic sense
2021-01-22 02:48
if you are interested in philosophical literature regarding this topic you may reach out for john mcdowell, robert brandom, wilfrid sellars or pirmin stekeler-weithofer
2021-01-22 02:50
With my mind on my money
And my money on my mind
2021-01-22 02:53
brain is antennae to higher planes
2021-01-22 02:54
The body is a concept inside of the mind, yet again the mind is the function of a brain, that is to say, the mind is inside of the body.
In the end it comes to the problem of language and materials. They exist through each other's existence. They're the 2 sides of the same coin.
2021-01-22 04:09