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Finland Pitsa31 
What do you think is the relationship between body and mind/Consciousness?
2021-01-21 18:55
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Reliation* ofc, but i already fucked up
2021-01-21 18:59
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*relation
2021-01-21 19:11
exactly
2021-01-21 19:00
mind = brain = body or am i missing something?
2021-01-21 19:01
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Not exatly, that just shows how you view this question
2021-01-21 19:05
+1 also the mind is highly (mostly) influenced by very physical things such as hormones, electrical signals and even bacterias in your intestines (interesting field of research "the 2nd brain"). So it sadly appears that we're just a pile of flesh and chemicals lucky enough to be able to wonder such questions
2021-01-22 02:35
The mind interacts with the body at the pineal gland. Our minds can control our body but our body can also influence the mind.
2021-01-21 19:05
My mind tells my body to do stuff
2021-01-21 19:04
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Reunion Esquinox
sounds about right
2021-01-21 19:36
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#41
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Sweden flippig
+1
2021-01-21 19:59
nobody knows for sure and probably never will
2021-01-21 19:06
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France HippzZ
+1
2021-01-21 19:13
my comment really got deleted because i said dualism = dumbassism? lmao
2021-01-21 19:08
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Lol, i didnt see nothing wrong with it
2021-01-21 19:10
Which body exactly? Physical, etheric, astral, mental?
2021-01-21 19:10
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Basically material body and "non material" mind
2021-01-21 19:11
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Mind =/= consciousness What exactly you want to know? Your question is pretty wide.
2021-01-21 19:23
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Sadly i cant narrow the question since that is how it was handled to me. Basically the point is probably view different views of how mind/Consciousness work.
2021-01-21 19:31
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Lets put it this way: Are you just the brain or are you more? (soul example)
2021-01-21 19:31
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Got it. You should study basics of esoteric, and esoteric human model in particular.
2021-01-21 20:07
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Romania brasiI
is there any other "body", besides the physical one ?
2021-01-21 22:14
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North America abigaiI
our bodies are just a vessel for our consciousness. thats it.
2021-01-21 19:10
what?
2021-01-21 19:11
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France just_focus
What constitutes consciousness is just a bunch of chemicals. Chances are that people who don't acknowledge that reality as the overwhelmingly most plausible one are just trying to cope with existence and life being meaningless. Now the origin of creation, that's a question which will remain a mystery, a perfect field for speculative thought exercises.
2021-01-21 19:34
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France just_focus
or, rather, a subject* that will remain a mystery; a question doomed to be unanswered
2021-01-21 19:45
+1 existence is entirely physical
2021-01-21 19:46
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can u elaborate, u dont have to but i am just interested
2021-01-21 20:39
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I think consciousness arises from the structure of the brain, which is made up of neurons which are made up of atoms. I don't believe in a soul or anything like that. It's a little depressing but I don't see evidence for anything else.
2021-01-22 01:26
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yes but everything has a purpose right, so having a consciousness isnt meaningless, just like trees make oxygen, brain makes consciousness so there is hope that there is reason to to why the brains chemicals make us consciouss
2021-01-22 15:32
i see consciousness as something out of the body plane. People strugle to see that emotions and most feelings are just your body trying to comunicate to you what it wants. Meditation is a good way (but not the only) to think/feel and take your own conclusions about this.
2021-01-21 19:29
Mind is the subconscious of life. Body is the consciousness of life. Together, they are the flows of our own souls connecting one another and it doesn't get much more confusion than of this.
2021-01-21 19:34
yes
2021-01-21 19:35
Idk, consciousness might be mostly for our survival so it's somewhat of a translation of hormones, instincts, our thinking also is translated to consciousness somehow to make us survive and have offsprings
2021-01-21 19:38
I... Don't know. I reluctantly lean towards strict materialism, im also very skeptical of free will. Most of this is based on intuition and faint ideas rather than hard evidence though, i haven't looked into it enough. Maybe there's a something out side of typical materialism that constitutes our consciousness, but I somehow doubt it. That doesn't really seem to make sense to me.
2021-01-21 19:38
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Poland Hanse
Mind is creation of brain (scientifically proven) Body is ocntrolled by brain (scientifically proven) Is there even place for speculation?
2021-01-21 19:41
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There is also proofs that brain can deny laws of physics. there is not consensus about if it is just that we dont understand it yet or it is something else than physical
2021-01-21 19:52
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#39
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Poland Hanse
Ah, the extreme skepticism aka discussion-ender
2021-01-21 19:56
what proofs ? can u show it to us ?
2021-01-21 20:18
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i actually googled "can brain deny the laws of physics " but i couldnt find clear answer to link, but i remember my philosophy teacher mention that brain can defy laws of physics and that psychologists cant answer the question if the mind is fully material or not. so this in third hand knowledge, so ¯\_(..)_/¯
2021-01-21 20:27
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well 1 thing is sure, that the brain can percive reality in different ways and we never experience those different perceptions first hand other than ourself, all we know is our view of reality and becasue of that we unfortuanetly assume that it's the same for everyone else as well, how can it be different ? right ? but it has been proven by study ppl that even small changes in the brain can lead to changes in perception "it's more like the brain is just guessing what is real" which leads me to more interesting question, "what is actually reality ???" until we figure that out those debates about consciousness will be endless
2021-01-21 20:43
Well, yes, it's not just brain though, it's possible when you shift assemblage point.
2021-01-22 07:04
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Peru TheJuan
wtf why was my very insightful comment deleted
2021-01-21 19:41
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Admins dont like comments that adds nothing to the thread. They all have been deleted
2021-01-21 19:53
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Peru TheJuan
?? I wrote a 3 sentence essay
2021-01-21 20:29
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really?! damn, then i dont know why, that sucks
2021-01-21 20:35
disclaimer Dumb speaking They are different for sure, imagine you comitted a crime and gov sends you to jail. It is a place with water, food, exercises, even sex, in these conditions the body can be just fine, but your mind just cant be in peace living like that. When you fall in love for something, be it an idea, a person, an object, what does your body has to do with it? Nothing, it is the mind seeking to interact with the world to build consciousness.
2021-01-21 19:44
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nah falling in love = just bunch of hormones deteriorate the senese of what is real, and what do u project onto that person, quite powerful but hormones can change ur perspective on reality
2021-01-21 20:19
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what about incarceration?
2021-01-21 21:21
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being cage is not natural state for animals u get that assumption wrong, we are born to explore the environment
2021-01-21 21:34
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Saudi Arabia Xpicyy
mind>body
2021-01-21 19:56
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mind<body
2021-01-21 20:49
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#60
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Poland flatness
<body> .<mind/> </body>
2021-01-21 21:06
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Can't argue with that...
2021-01-21 21:06
#69
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Saudi Arabia Xpicyy
Facts
2021-01-21 22:15
i don't know we do we have this nautral naivness in us - that there is something more but when you boils it down there is no magic nor mysterious in at all just a specie try to pass the genes in next generation youtu.be/SwQhKFMxmDY?t=1609 26:45 pretty neat clear explanation
2021-01-21 20:11
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thanks that was very interesting take
2021-01-21 20:21
It's not that hard, you need the right framework of thought. In The US, end of 19th century pragmatism was developed, and its ideas have influenced kybernetic theory (WIener) and even carried over to artificial intelligence research. Basically, every human is a kybernetic system: It means, you perceive a state that is far off from ideal, so you plot actions to bring the state to what you consider ideal. It makes you an agent. Your brain is like the computer that runs these calculations and your mind emerges from it kinda like an operating system, or you could say that your mind is the programming of your brain, based on how your neurons are connected, but more about it later. First, consider your body - the manipulator that you control. It defines the actions available to you in order to reach your goals. Just think of it as mainly your arms for starters, because they are the first tools that every human becomes aware of. So your mind and conscientiousness are mainly defined by the fact that they have self-awareness, and that is roughly saying they realize that whatever goal you pursue traditionally lies in the physical world can only be achieved through your body, so you have to preserve your body (usually). These skills emerge from the mind's ability to adapt to your experiences, i.e. learn. What is philosophically relevant is that your mind is highly accustomed to the abilities and limitations of your body, i.e. you categorize things based on the tool you recognize in them. Why would you think that a rock is more similar to a ball than a fish? Because rocks and balls are tools to throw, kinda like weapons, whereas a fish is something you could eat. Also your brain/mind is highly templated to be able to build better representations, i.e. finer categories for things that are improtant for you. That is why you can distinguish faces so well, because it is really important for your survival and recreation to recognize people and their emotions. So to sum it up: brain/mind is just lkike an algorithm that seeks to improve toward a goal, body is the available manipulator to the brain and restirct the action space. And there is an impact both ways between body and mind, because the more recent layers of human intelligence are kind of evolved in accordance to the abilities and limitations of the body
2021-01-21 20:27
First of all look up Sam Harris is you are interested in this topic. Your mind is your body it is biological and exists because of physical factors, it is not just a thing that exists in your head. However you can manipulate your point of view to expand your consciousness. For example many people myself included see our heads as a sort of housing for our consciousness and our arms, legs etc as tools to use. To look at your hand and think that i am as much me in my hand than i am in my consciousness is a hard thing to do initially but it is possible. It can propel your state of mind further then you could ever think and it is how some people get into constant "flow" state. Also this is more of a physiological question than it is philosophical but there is a philosophical angle that you can look further into.
2021-01-21 20:30
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i agree, our bodies purpose is to carry our brain, our brain houses our consciousness, then comes the question what purpose does our consciousness serve and logically consciousness makes us experience reality so i think its fair to assume that the meaning of life is to experience the physical reality aswell as experiencing our own consciousness thinking. Then comes next question what is the point of experiencing reality, but thats to hard for our brains to grasp
2021-01-21 21:03
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Romania brasiI
what do you mean by purpose ? well, I mean, our bodies were essentially shaped to allow us to.. survive ? not to carry our brains
2021-01-21 22:26
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yes our bodies are shaped to support a brain, brain cant just float around in this world
2021-01-21 22:43
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Portugal karky
Our essence is our mind, our body is just something we use to make our lives easier.
2021-01-21 20:37
#54
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India xEleanorex
This is a really deep topic. Menss)) at hltv won't give a shit abt it tho
2021-01-21 20:43
#56
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Poland FitPolak
Nervous system i believe
2021-01-21 20:44
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World Beard43
Depending on how closely you want to scrutinise that question, I can recommend reading the enlightenment trilogy by Jed McKenna. Specifically the book "Spiritual Enlightenment: The Damnedest Thing" but I've found them all worthwhile for one reason or another.
2021-01-21 20:52
you cant prove that your body is real
2021-01-21 21:06
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Poland flatness
my body israel ? nope, i have foreskin.
2021-01-21 21:07
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tug hard. wont have it anymore
2021-01-21 21:09
you can understand this very well on activities like sports etc, I skateboard and run for years, its basicly concentration and putting mind and body into harmony, slowly with a lot of practice you start to control more and more both combined
2021-01-21 21:24
Consciousness and life are just different products catalyzed by bodily chemical reactions
2021-01-22 01:43
This is a really interesting topic. Your CNS does a lot of things autonomously without you thinking about it. You can also do things manually. You can think. But what If what you do or think is predetermined? You would never know. The question is WHAT/WHO is giving you your thoughts. Where do the instincts come from? At the end of the day. We are all more than flesh and blood. And it is important to understand that.
2021-01-22 02:06
materialism is false
2021-01-22 02:25
HLTV isn't the right place for that^^ University and Elite literature classes are. Not in the USA, only Europe. (if you can get in that is).
2021-01-22 02:42
its a relation which could be only fully explainable in a godlike perspective as humans we are only capable of to regard this as a fundamental dichotomy of human existence but the main point is it may be a mystery but its not a problem in a pragmatic sense
2021-01-22 02:48
if you are interested in philosophical literature regarding this topic you may reach out for john mcdowell, robert brandom, wilfrid sellars or pirmin stekeler-weithofer
2021-01-22 02:50
With my mind on my money And my money on my mind
2021-01-22 02:53
brain is antennae to higher planes
2021-01-22 02:54
#82
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China OpReSs
The body is a concept inside of the mind, yet again the mind is the function of a brain, that is to say, the mind is inside of the body. In the end it comes to the problem of language and materials. They exist through each other's existence. They're the 2 sides of the same coin.
2021-01-22 04:09
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#83
NiKo | 
China OpReSs
btw I don't support dualism. I don't think neither of the mind nor the body is objectively being there, in other words, in some way they are both inclusions.
2021-01-22 04:19
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