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vitality forget stream on
floppy | 
Albania lilalb 
this might cause a lot of trouble twitter.com/MnmzzzCS/status/135237825529..
2021-01-21 23:26
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ZywOo exposed
2021-01-21 23:27
33 replies
To clarify some of the issues with this: *The coach can see what the opponent's economy is like *The coach can watch for consistencies in the opponent's default *The coach can spot holes that the opponent regularly leaves in their defence/attack
2021-01-21 23:41
32 replies
Except every time camera shows vitality nobody is watching that TV.
2021-01-21 23:45
18 replies
and why they have it on then?
2021-01-22 12:13
8 replies
probably forgot like mibr
2021-01-22 12:14
2 replies
We 'll know soon
2021-01-22 12:14
You are not allowed to forget. Why have it on in the first place?
2021-01-22 13:22
for other staff that just wanna watch the game
2021-01-22 12:18
1 reply
well that's bannable
2021-01-22 12:23
Probably put camera recording tv on and they see tv thru their phones while camera streaming
2021-01-22 13:15
for the player that doesn't play
2021-01-22 13:23
1 reply
lol are you serious?
2021-01-22 15:57
they can watch during timeout + there are more than 10 ppl in 1 room when vitality play
2021-01-22 12:51
6 replies
They are on camera all the time its so easy to check by admins if there is suspision they did cheat. Also its turned on for other people in the office.
2021-01-22 21:08
5 replies
nice logic
2021-01-24 06:54
4 replies
So your argument is that they cheated because stream was on. And people responsible for handling this (admins) have access to the full footage and you dont and you say nice logic. Well flair checks out i guess.
2021-01-24 13:09
3 replies
they got fined retard but im saying this punishment isnt enough
2021-01-24 13:10
2 replies
Yes they got fined 10K and guess what. ESIC didnt find shit maybe read "retard" and nobody gives a fuck what you think since you are clearly super biased fanboy who cannot look objectively at anything since simples cock is in your vision because you have to suck him off so much.
2021-01-24 13:11
1 reply
lol cry more cheater
2021-01-24 13:22
nice logic
2021-01-22 13:13
1 reply
Admins have access to full footage fanboy.
2021-01-24 13:10
This is pro cs buddy, all of this is already known without needing to watch a stream (that is delayed by 5mn ofc). The coach can see what the opponent's economy is like >They can easily keep track of this (and already do) by knowing what guns they bought and their utility + tracking loss/win bonus The coach can watch for consistencies in the opponent's default >The coach already knows this from watching demos, besides the coach doesn't talk with players besides congratulating them / stuff like that The coach can spot holes that the opponent regularly leaves in their defence/attack >Same point basically, but bold of you to assume that pro csgo players play every round the same way.
2021-01-21 23:48
9 replies
stream is not 5 mins delayed, 1 min max
2021-01-22 12:14
3 replies
3 minutes
2021-01-22 12:18
at least 2 mins, GOTV is delayed by a few mins and then they have added stream delays
2021-01-22 12:20
1 reply
someone who was on a LAN event must help!
2021-01-22 12:24
#45
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Bosnia and Herzegovina Foxxeh
+1, for pro teams this would most likely be distracting to focus more on the enemies on the tv than just focus on your own team and counter-strat normal way
2021-01-22 12:16
They can improve by getting more updated information. I don't want punishment, but I don't want this to go on either. Anyone with vocal access to the players should not be allowed to watch the match on stream. It's a potential risk, which should be eliminated instantly.
2021-01-22 12:52
Lol, and what about new strategies that were not on a demo before?
2021-01-22 13:19
2 replies
of course watching a Demo is fine the games over you can review it
2021-01-22 13:25
Okay but the stream has a 5mn delay so wtf ? They already know because they pkayef against it 4 rounds ago... Stop hating plz
2021-01-22 22:22
With at least 3 rounds delay ? come on dude
2021-01-22 00:05
Why i see u in every thread? Is it your job to comment here? Also ur name "tuureboelius" is really idiotic considering this finnish singer is gay. And why u support astralis? U traitor. Support OG instead.
2021-01-22 12:17
1 reply
Support ence too
2021-01-24 13:20
#2
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Ukraine McSwell
They probably will find 100 and 1 excuse, no way blast has enough balls to ban for this.
2021-01-21 23:27
2 replies
they wont ban but warn
2021-01-22 12:16
i mean sure look at the Flusha hacking controversy of the past the going theory is that Valve knew he was hacking but knew if they banned him for it that would essentially destroy Pro Csgo because it would cause all investors and advertisers to flee
2021-01-22 13:26
tbh, they probably didnt realize. its in another room
2021-01-21 23:28
3 replies
#14
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France Manitex
+1
2021-01-21 23:35
1 reply
+1
2021-01-22 12:17
Yeah but it also happened against complexity
2021-01-22 12:13
ahahah
2021-01-21 23:31
Vitality to be disqualified
2021-01-21 23:31
prepare for the brazilian army
2021-01-21 23:32
4 replies
fail
2021-01-21 23:40
#22
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Germany Jermen
Fallen excuses incoming
2021-01-21 23:48
2 replies
A new one to add to an already long list
2021-01-21 23:49
1 reply
where is that guy who kept updating the list havent seen him a long time
2021-01-22 13:21
DQ inc
2021-01-21 23:33
#12
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France Kaaai
3 minutes delay
2021-01-21 23:34
Not only is the stream delayed but its also another room with a couch in it, probably made to watch the game, and if theres any doubt, there is a camera watching the entire room, they can see if the coach or anyone is caught staring at the screen trough the glass
2021-01-21 23:35
It's in another room. And the players can't even look at it if they tried because of the decorations on the glass panes.....
2021-01-21 23:44
7 replies
its not the players it the coach.
2021-01-21 23:48
6 replies
He's still in the room with them, he can't see and neither can they.
2021-01-21 23:49
all the people in that room have backs turned to that TV also they are on cameras for full duration of the match it can be easily checked if they watched the TV
2021-01-21 23:50
4 replies
m8 unless you have access to the blast cam feed then how do you know what they are doing as we only see them like 1-2% of the time. please use your brain next time you comment. i know they are prob not using it just saying the coach would be the person who would use it.
2021-01-22 00:04
3 replies
I dont need to know blast admins need to know and they have access so your point is that you cant read or what?
2021-01-22 00:05
2 replies
#67
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France Insidium
+1 If there was any doubt admins could just watch the footage
2021-01-22 12:25
1 reply
retards in this thread i swear
2021-01-22 21:09
#18
RpK | 
Turkey MrAycan
vitality is a professional team they will change the Tv position for sure
2021-01-21 23:44
1 reply
Hahha lol savage
2021-01-22 12:20
Someone at Richard lewis or thorin. :)
2021-01-21 23:47
there is a stream delay but I don't think it's allowed...
2021-01-21 23:48
1 reply
It's in another room
2021-01-22 00:18
#31
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Finland Jomppeboi
Vitality already did this back in 2020 IEM bejing and nobody cared. So it's obvious it's not against the rules?
2021-01-22 00:13
6 replies
mibr got fined for it
2021-01-22 12:11
1 reply
Because dead did it on his monitor
2021-01-22 12:15
3 replies
First they ban coaches without proper investigation, and now they turn into pussies and won't do anything about this shit, LMAO clowns.
2021-01-22 12:35
2 replies
too scared to cause controversy kekw
2021-01-22 12:36
+1 and then ban 41 Australian players because that's not hurting the scene
2021-01-22 12:58
Lol look at comments, when it was mibr gringos wanted to ban us....
2021-01-22 00:15
for sure is concerning but i think before calling them cheaters it should be investigated. this is the key difference between the case with mibr, where the coach was clearly looking at the stream, while here no1 looked back it at the tv at least in the footage we saw. However blast still need to review all the player cam footage and see if they can get the teams comms to make sure no cheating was done. if they did cheat, find them the same as mibr.
2021-01-22 12:14
3 replies
#82
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France iatis
If Blast can prove somehow that they use it, it should be elimination and fine ;) I don't believe they used it, as supporter we have to trust the guys. Still, there should be a fine or something, because it is a big mistake (except if Blast approve the setup).
2021-01-22 12:38
2 replies
nah theyre probably just gonna do it like trashpoint did it and fine them
2021-01-22 12:40
same I dont think they did, and I agree it's shameful if they were cheating, and should be fined, eliminated, and deserve any of the shit they get to their reputation.
2021-01-22 12:50
Investigation is first then u can hate them or be all over them. Let's have a patience. But esic should and must treat all teams equally first.
2021-01-22 12:17
1 reply
+1
2021-01-22 12:19
Vitality have an whole army behind them every game, should not be allowed. Just pumping information into zywoo, this is so obvious, and why vitality should be investigated and maybe banned
2021-01-22 12:20
The coach just casually walks around in the back, right? Even if the players aren't looking, the coach can easily turn his head and see everything. Having a detailed knowledge of what was the case till 2 rounds ago, a lot of things can be figured out by him. If MIBR got fined for it, if it's illegal or against the established rules, punishment is due.
2021-01-22 12:20
7 replies
Esi will have a blind look on this and there will not be any investigation too in the first place. Sad MiVR
2021-01-22 12:21
1 reply
MIBR*
2021-01-22 12:21
I especially think that some at Vitality watched the previous matches and forgot to remove the stream during the Vitality match. Xtqzzz is not that kind of person, he has a coach image to respect I agree that this is not normal. But I have no doubts about Xtqzzz when it comes to cheating, he will never do that
2021-01-22 12:26
3 replies
Sure, I respect him as a coach, and Vitality's moral standards as well. I don't think they did it intentionally either. But that's not the point. If a rule is broken, even if it's done unknowingly, the punishments aren't taken away. It's about setting a precedent and being fair. If Mibr can get fined, almost banned for doing exactly the same thing, it should be the case for all the teams. I understand that it's a great hit to CS's image if it happened, but a warning or something has to be given, at the very least. It shouldn't be ignored.
2021-01-22 12:33
2 replies
I think they will have something yes ^^ A fine or a warning one or the other
2021-01-22 12:49
#89
RpK | 
France Snabe_
For sure mistakes like this can't be tolerated. Personal thought: As #70 said XTQZZZ is known for his iron fist.
2021-01-22 12:52
Unless he's an owl, he can't see shit even if he tried.
2021-01-22 13:12
CSPPA Strike Incoming? I aren't think that
2021-01-22 12:23
2 replies
No
2021-01-22 12:27
CSPPA is such a useless "union"
2021-01-22 12:50
Ban VItality and Zywoo, give #1 to s1mple.
2021-01-22 12:34
Doesnt they have like 8min delay
2021-01-22 12:53
1 reply
#94
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France Vipair
more like 3-5 mins at most, still could be fined
2021-01-22 13:01
Vitality provided multiple cameras of the entire box where players were. Just watch the footage and see if the coach used the screen at any moment (I doubt it).
2021-01-22 12:58
#95
shox | 
Italy DaDoar
Im dead sure they didnt use it because they also provide camera and audio feed for blast admins so it would be easy to check if anyone was giving info and looking, still maybe a fine just to say “Despite it being a genuine mistake and wasnt abused, you still shouldnt do that”
2021-01-22 13:09
vitality xiter
2021-01-22 13:10
Liquid did this too the stream was on the back of fallen nt vita haters we saw it on nuke 2nd half
2021-01-22 13:10
3 replies
i dont hate vita..
2021-01-22 13:11
2 replies
Not you but some saying they are cheating or kick them out of the tournament or give S0mple number one the funny thing is when we see the stream in the back of fallen no one care but when its vitality they have to be banned ? its seems like rascism ngl
2021-01-22 13:14
The stream of vitality wasn't on the same room, in the liquid side it was like 2 meters behind the team so if someone have to be banned for something its not vita but liquid if not its not fair
2021-01-22 13:16
#104
Liazz | 
Slovenia FR0X
I mean they has to forgot it's on, right? They probably watched the previous match together and then forgot to turn it off. It's so easy visible for us....
2021-01-22 13:18
2 replies
yes
2021-01-22 13:31
I can confirm from the VOD that they had that at least for the whole pre-show/ending of previous match as it was shown it shots when they played the table tennis e.g. Also had it turned off long before game versus CoL. That doesn't prove anything but I'm just saying what happened. PS at IEM Global Challenge the could have had it turned on and staff listened/watched to it cause sponsor banner was covering the back of the room from what I saw. Maybe they got careless with that...
2021-01-22 15:00
Zywho #1 kekw expected cheters ban this kids
2021-01-22 13:27
Lol eurobrains jump on top of mibr for forgetting the stream was on and are the first to defend vitality you kids need to stand by your own principles.
2021-01-22 13:45
only vitality can be streamsnipers XD so bad, fluke zywoo
2021-01-22 13:53
its not even in their room + no one is there. not to mention that the stream is delayed by a lot .
2021-01-22 14:53
#134
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Romania Xyst
With a 3 min delay there is almost zero useful info on the stream. The only possibility is when it is a tech timeout and you see what they buy.
2021-01-24 13:16
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