Forum thread: CPU experts come here

core/thread count doesn't really matter much at all for CS, TDP is just a measure of heat, as for the rest, it depends on the architecture. I wouldn't buy any PC parts right now honestly. I'm waiting for now. EDIT: except for RAM. Samsung is changing factories or some other collusion horseshit so expect higher DDR4 prices. Pick up some Micron E Die now.

2021-01-21 23:59

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So, i guess it is unpractical to overpay for the i7 in your opinion Also, yeah I'm ok with waiting as well

2021-01-21 23:59

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Yeah don't buy an i7 when a ryzen 5 will do better anyway. 7600k is a difficult one to choose an upgrade path from I bet.

2021-01-22 00:02

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Yeah but also it seems that 5600x has a slight edge in CSGO compared to overclocked 10600K

2021-01-22 00:08

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ryzen is probably the best for csgo atm so just get any 3000/5000. even 3100 gets 250 minimum. 5600x is absolutely enough for csgo, probably 400 fps minimum and for any other game for that matter in the next 10 years. intel is very good too but considering you need a great cooler and motherboard to fully achieve it's potential, amd is probably better for your buck and for an unexperienced user that doesn't know what to buy to use intel properly. for amd, all you need to know is that you need at least 3000 mhz ram

2021-01-22 00:14

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Is the 5600X enough of an upgrade after 7600k @4.5 GHZ though?

2021-01-22 00:20

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I would say so. Consider that 4cores/4threads isn't going to be too great in a few years. I'm going from r5 1600 to r5 5600 hopefully this year)))

2021-01-22 00:24

for csgo, it depends on your monitor tbh. if you have a 240hz+ monitor, ofc it will because you cant get 300 fps on your processor and 240 is not enough for 240hz. if you have a 144hz monitor, it won't be a big difference cuz 200 minimum is already good enough. for big games it is a pretty big difference i would say but you need a good gpu to see it. for everything else like work, streaming, recording or pretty much any desktop usage it is a big difference once again

2021-01-22 00:37

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I currently own a 144hz monitor but I'm planning to raise the bar to 240 this year or in early 2022 so I keep that in mind when choosing a CPU. i dont really play big games but my 1070ti should be all right at medium settings for the next 1-1.5 years at least. Thank you for your advice

2021-01-22 00:39

bro is it good to buy amd 3600 ? can i get 300fps?

2021-01-22 00:48

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yes. check benchmarks on youtube if you are not sure. it obviously depends on your gpu+res+settings combination but youtube.com/watch?v=g3jcPyU-lNA&ab_chann.. this guy has 3700x but it's pretty much the same as 3600x

2021-01-22 01:13

i've got r5 3600 + rx5600xt, max fps i saw was 999 on empty aim_redline lol as for MM or faceit it constantly hits the ceiling of 300fps (i limited it by 300 actually). On 20ppl deathmatches it still hits the 300fps ceiling. Im not sure what max is since i haven't researched that | The lowest i've seen was actually about 130 on dangerzone kekw ps: i play on 4:3 stretched, 1280 x smth i dont remember, all low except for shaders and effects, they are on max

2021-01-25 16:23

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bro im planing to get 3600+2060 super mini zotac + 16 gb 3200mhz ram but i want to make sure this spec will be good at least 5 years for playing 1080 normal setting

2021-01-25 17:31

Dude I think that you can wait for couple of years until like a 6. smth processor comes up ı have a 2.8 ghz cpu and its still good because the optimization is keep getting better at cs

2021-01-21 23:57

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my fps is actually lower than it used to be a year ago despite CPU's performance only decreasing by 1-2%

2021-01-22 00:01

I cant take this comment seriously

2021-01-22 00:04

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what?

2021-01-22 00:05

CS:GO mainly uses 3 threads if im not mistaken anything more than that is a very small improvement. CPU architecture, Instructions per clock and frequency are the biggest factors.

2021-01-21 23:58

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3 threads?

2021-01-21 23:59

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You can check it for yourself, enable multithreading, run csgo and watch core usage on 2nd screen

2021-01-22 00:03

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i think you meant 4 threads, when you see the thread count, usually the first one is called thread #0

2021-01-25 16:14

what about CPU architecture regarding CSGO?

2021-01-22 00:02

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What do you mean, your question is not specific in any way

2021-01-22 00:03

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Sorry, I meant you said that CPU architecture matters a lot and I wondered if you could specify what you meant with that

2021-01-22 00:05

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Typically newer CPUs, have a better architecture which means a lot of things. CPU can achieve higher clock speeds, memory latency is lower etc. Also Intel used to have much better architecture for gaming but now its pretty even

2021-01-22 00:10

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All right, thank you for the explanation. What about RAM freq, does it make a difference in CSGO in your opinion?

2021-01-22 00:11

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Very small for Intel CPUs, Can help a lot with AMD CPUs but dont go too high cause then it will not work as well, aim for 3200-3600mhz with Ryzen also check what frequencies your motherboard can support

2021-01-22 00:13

sicker led lights = better performance

2021-01-21 23:58

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2021-01-22 00:53

theoretically core speed is the thing that most matter, but this is talking about processors from the same or close to same release date, if they are too many years apart so the new will perform better even if it has less cores and less core frequency. GPU actually matter a lot but not much as CPU.

2021-01-21 23:59

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Right, I'll keep the core freq factor in mind. Do you think 1070ti is more than enough for CSGO?

2021-01-22 00:04

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Sure. More than enough

2021-01-22 00:04

CPU matters a lot in csgo. Although I would advice against buying new pc parts rn. They are really expensive. Wait for GPU/CPU drops so the prices drop

2021-01-21 23:59

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+your cpu is more than good enough especially for CS, so I would rather look for a gpu instead that is depending on wether you want to play some GPU heavy games like cyberpunk or new releases this year

2021-01-22 00:01

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Sure I'll wait as well. I don't really play singleplayer games, mostly competitive FPS (csgo 80% of the time). Also, my gpu's 1070ti

2021-01-22 00:06

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Okay then I guess do some benchtest to see what limits you if you are limited and buy with that in mind.

2021-01-22 00:08

first see what u need, then see how much money worth it paying for it and if it's not overpriced because of corona, i'm pretty sure your 7600k can handle the job a bit more, lastly compare all cpus you're targeting running the task u'll buying it for.

2021-01-22 00:01

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I've compared everything and I know how the main options compare to each other but right now I'm wondering what matters particularly in CSGO: the threads, the cores etc. It seems that i7 would be unpractical from what ive read in this thread

2021-01-22 00:10

less res = more cpu useage. csgo uses very retro engine and doesnt use more than 4 cores. Best thing to get would be a ryzen 5. Or even a ryzen 3 (when they get out) if you only play csgo

2021-01-22 00:01

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Thank you for the advice. I'll definitely opt for the 6 core i5/ryzen 5

2021-01-22 00:13

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i5 10400f is pretty cheap atm. I dont really know prices in your region but i recommend you to wait for a ryzen 5 5600 (non x)

2021-01-22 00:25

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i have thought about 10400f but its not good enough to upgrade from 7600K. normal 5600 might be a good option, ill keep an eye for it, thanks

2021-01-22 00:27

Good choice. It is where you get the most performance for your money at the moment. If you higher you will only see tiny improvements compared to what you pay, plus the six cores models use less power so they are easier to cool = less noise. However if it is just for CS then you can go even cheaper and still get what is plenty fast, that is unless you go with a monster GPU. You definitely should put more money towards the GPU. The difficulty though is at the moment demand is much bigger than the supply, so buying is hard and prices are crazy high - as in 50% above what they would be normally or even more.

2021-01-22 00:29

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I own a 1070ti which holds pretty fine at the moment but I'll probably buy a 3070 in 1-1.5 years. Thank you for your advice

2021-01-22 00:32

could you please elaborate on less res = more cpu usage?

2021-01-22 00:28

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I also didn't quite get that since it should be the other way but maybe i'm uneducated

2021-01-22 00:29

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judging the structure of this game anything is possible

2021-01-22 00:33

What he really means is that lower res means less GPU 'usage' which increases the impact/importance of the CPU on frame-rate relative to the GPU.

2021-01-22 00:35

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hell of a curve ball, but may be

2021-01-22 00:36

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Well whether that's what he meant or not, that is the case. Lower res will use a little bit less (not more) of the CPU to achieve the same FPS, but it will use much less of the GPU. This is why the CPU is typically the more important part in most e-sports where people play with competitive settings but the GPU is more important in AAA titles where people are trying to play with the best visuals (4k etc.). Reviewers use this in their benchmarks, you'll see CPU benchmarks are mostly at 1080p but GPU benchmarks will be mostly 1440p and 4k.

2021-01-22 00:46

i can have some drop of fps with my 9700k@5ghz and a 2080 gaming x trio to 400 ( caped ) to 270 on the pit on inferno when it's a fight. for example in the benchmark inside the workshop. 4.6ghz 420fps ( avg of 3 runs ) 4.9ghz 450fps 5.0ghz 488 fps so see an improvement on the more high frequency cpu by cores on this old engine. so cpu frequency is the first thing to look if you play to cs go but honestly it's better to take a rizen than an intel in this time. a 5600x is a killer in game and work.

2021-01-22 00:27

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Thank you for the benchmark info which leads me to a very very important question: how does a stock 5600x (4.6 GHZ turbo) hold against an i5/i7 at 4,8-5 GHZ? Should be around the same maybe with a very small edge to intel but z490 motherboards cost a fortune and that is what makes me opt for the 5600x

2021-01-22 00:43

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believe me i was an intel fan and i love overclock my CPU so it's more fun in intel than AMD for the moment ( or i need to go LN2 for amd :o ) but if i need to change today ? RYZEN no question and the motherboard are very less expensive........ just for the o/c it's gonna be pretty limited but... it's because of the new ipc more close to the core and give less latency on response. about 20% something like that. that why with little bit less frequency they can overpass the intel cpu. and the next gen of intel come back to less core because of their architecture ( 14nn) and it's gonna be a rework of their IPC like the ryzen but it's gonna be the same problem of overheating. so the point it's latency in game if you look the RAM it;s the same with a 3800cl14 you gonna have more fps than with a 4200cl18 even if your bandwidth is more important with 4200 the latency made the diff. so for cs go and other game a ryzen with a really tide CAS on your ram you gonna have a 4/8% more fps.

2021-01-22 00:47

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thank you for the detailed explanation, i will definitely go for the 5600x/5600 (if it turns out to be good) and I will probably have to sell my 2016 HyperX fury RAM which is still amazing and is top 1% amongst all similar HX ram models on userbenchmark at 3200 mhz (although its 2666 in stock) but its latency isn't good enough for 5600x. hopefully, i will be as lucky with the new RAM as i am rn with my current one. anyways, have a nice evening

2021-01-22 00:58

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what is the cas of your ram? because if it's a b-die ram you can probably change the timings or o/c the freq. i have 3200 ram and i don't gonna change it right now even i i change my cpu ;) it's was an example the number of ram.

2021-01-22 01:21

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i'm not sure since its nearly 5 years old but probably 15-17-17-35

2021-01-22 01:32

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pretty good for 3200

2021-01-22 01:38

since CS:GO uses a very old iteration of the source engine IPC is what matters the most, check PassMark Single-thread performance chart and pick the highest that can fit your budget, 5600X would be my recommendation second most important thing is RAM speed, make sure you get a good pair of ram sticks(attention to pair, don't just pick a single stick cuz if you do that you won't be using dual-channel) preferably samsung b-dies and you're pretty much set regarding VGA anything above a GTX 1060-70 will be enough, unless you're playing 1440p or above

2021-01-22 00:45

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thank you very very much for this information, i will keep it in mind. i will definitely get a 3600 MHZ ram when i buy the 3600x

2021-01-22 01:00

Single-threaded performance is what matters most in CS:GO, and Ryzen Zen 3 CPU's fucking amazing at it. It's why a 5600x gets more FPS than any Intel CPU, even the 10900K.

2021-01-22 00:49

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thank you, i will wait for the 5600x's (edited) price to decrease and then ill definitely buy it

2021-01-22 01:07

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You mean the 5600x? Don't buy the 3600x lmao

2021-01-22 01:06

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yeah i had a typo :)

2021-01-22 01:06

5600X best price/performance-wise once the price comes down below $300

2021-01-22 00:51

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thanks for the advice and have a nice evening

2021-01-22 01:04

From most of the replies I have figured out that 5600X coupled with a great 3600 RAM with good CAS is the best option for CSGO at the moment and probably will be in 2021. 6 cores is more than enough, frequency does indeed matter, everything else is not really important for CS

2021-01-22 01:12

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Well done, this is correct

2021-01-22 01:12

ryzen best for cs go wait for 5600x

2021-01-22 01:24

cores don't really affect gaming, a 6 core processor should be fine, mostly ram frequency, good cpu and gpu, csgo is more of a cpu game so a better cpu will give you better results than a better gpu.

2021-01-22 01:28

core clock and single thread score are the biggest game changers,cs is a cpu game but it doesn't use lots of cores well,tho any real high end part is overkill for this game,almost anything that isn't an entry laptop can get stable 150 fps on low 1024x768 or higher

2021-01-25 17:37