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Vitality y cheat
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United Arab Emirates DynamicAWM 
clips.twitch.tv/BlitheFurtiveVampireFloo.. Vitality have been running the stream in the background for a while now, how is this even allowed? Considering that the ESIC has implemented a zero-tolerance policy, Vitality will probably face some sort of punishment for this. They might not have done it with the intention to cheat ofcourse but it is still wrong and frankly pretty stupid to have it running in the background. Also, I know I'm kinda late on this.
2021-01-22 10:30
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ban xiters
2021-01-22 10:31
noone is even looking at it, they all have their backs turned and the stream has delay so 0/8
2021-01-22 10:32
26 replies
#5
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United Arab Emirates DynamicAWM
Probably the worst take I've seen in this site up till now.
2021-01-22 10:33
11 replies
He is right about the delay. I think there is a 2 or 3 minutes delay.
2021-01-22 10:37
9 replies
#11
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United Arab Emirates DynamicAWM
2021-01-22 10:37
6 replies
If they are doing it then it's probably allowed. The stream is not for the players, it's for staff members.
2021-01-22 10:40
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#114
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Ukraine NiP_sux
Do you really think staff members are not going to tell important info to players? It is forbidden to watch stream and that's it
2021-01-22 12:43
4 replies
Well, if it's forbidden then ok they are not respecting the rules, but can you link me to a source where they say it's not allowed.
2021-01-22 18:58
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#129
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Ukraine NiP_sux
i dont have a source but i believe in the beginning of december there was an article on hltv concerning streamsniping
2021-01-22 19:19
2 replies
I thought they solved the problem of stream sniping by adding delay to the streams. And it was after MIBR was accused I believe.
2021-01-22 19:37
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#131
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Ukraine NiP_sux
there was always delay, especially on the biggest events like blast, esl or dreamhack. The thing is you can get important info that was not available to just players on server. You can calculate team money more accurately or catch some plays by opponents that were not seen by your players yet (although it could be like 2-3 rounds before, opponents might come up with the exact same idea a bit later) For example, there was the moment on that Vitality screen when RPK got triple-naded from T-roof. Coach might rewatch stream and get crucial info about who was throwing nades and what positions can be pushed because players responsible for holding some positions are just not there. If they throw nades again coach calls to push certain positions and they get huge advantage even if they lose rpk or any other player
2021-01-22 21:43
Its depending site, 20-30 sec delays on some betting sites and u can get advantage on it
2021-01-22 12:47
Well, esic said that even if steam has delay, you will still get punished. Just like with flashpoint and the MiBR situation
2021-01-22 14:22
0/8
2021-01-22 10:40
MIBR got fined for the excact same thing, so its illegal yes
2021-01-22 10:45
7 replies
#30
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Lithuania FakeDoggo
0/8
2021-01-22 10:49
6 replies
But its true tho. Comment hunter
2021-01-22 10:49
5 replies
#35
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Lithuania FakeDoggo
Coach looking at the stream is not equal to stream running in a place where coaches/players dont see it
2021-01-22 10:53
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#79
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Poland v1ctorex
V coach is walking freely and can see
2021-01-22 11:34
No it's not. MIBR had their screen in their room and they were obviously looking at it.
2021-01-22 11:36
2 replies
Dude, both coach and players can see it. No matter what, it shouldn't have been in the place where the players play the game. Coach is also walking around and can see it
2021-01-22 12:29
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if the players can see it theyd be playing much much worse than they are now, there is no point in players watching the stream
2021-01-22 12:31
But why the fuck the stream is running if they dont streamsnipe, there is no logic at all, why is it running ffs
2021-01-22 10:46
4 replies
Players and coach are not watching. But if you think, the players and the coach are not the only people in the organization. The staff want to watch their team playing.
2021-01-22 11:03
cuz its their facility .. every facility streams their games in their space.. u can see in every org facility tour .. they just forgot to turn off behind them .. and blast obviously recording whole room and teamspeak if they found anything to confirm they used any information or watched the stream they will take action .. just chill
2021-01-22 11:08
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Liquid did not btw..
2021-01-22 12:29
Literally every team's staff watch the game's livestream.
2021-01-22 12:25
ya noone is looking at it i.imgur.com/wAq2Xok.png also, their coach isn't in and out of the room every other round.
2021-01-22 12:57
>fan of the Natus Vincere okay, this will be the shitstorm
2021-01-22 10:32
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#6
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United Arab Emirates DynamicAWM
Has nothing to do with it.
2021-01-22 10:34
We have to have patience till investigation happens. (Don't see it in the first place )
2021-01-22 10:32
#7
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Namibia KhT
stream has 3 min delay
2021-01-22 10:34
24 replies
#9
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United Arab Emirates DynamicAWM
How do people think that actually matters? its still streamsniping... they can easily see how the opponents are setting up and positioning each player. Even if it shows 2 rounds prior, the chances that the opponent will use the same setups again are fairly high.
2021-01-22 10:37
11 replies
while the scoreline on your pc is 2-2 for example(4th round), they are something like 4-4 playing the 9th round on real time, plus that vitality are one of the teams that dont even care to use any kind of streamsniping against any team rn. noone is risking his carreer for that so dont be a fool
2021-01-22 10:40
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#16
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United Arab Emirates DynamicAWM
Despite what your (or even mine) opinion is, streamsniping is still punishable even if its by accident.
2021-01-22 10:41
4 replies
As a Vitality fan I will obviously be annoyed if drastic action is taken but I can understand it and hopefully it won't overshadow the whole tournament
2021-01-22 11:23
3 replies
DAVID
2021-01-22 12:29
2 replies
reply needs to have actual content.
2021-01-22 13:21
1 reply
david isnt content? u dissed urself :(
2021-01-22 14:58
#19
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Namibia KhT
you can still see how your opponents positioning and setups. Like elige was being problem to them,and they created an anti strat with flashpeek,got the entry. apex started to call really well like last round of nuke. To the stream,liquid was also wathcing it,g2 was before too. they were memeing there,I see nothing wrong tbh but we need to wait if esic will intervene or not.I think not but everything can happen these times.
2021-01-22 10:42
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#120
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Brazil 2de
also they could get the lineup an do the same grenades against them, but they probably didn't cause that would make it obvious, people seem to not understand the importance of setup information, even if its 4 or 5 rounds later
2021-01-22 13:01
lol no.
2021-01-22 11:34
+1
2021-01-22 11:37
#101
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Estonia cuntycorn
Indeed. Setups, positioning, economy and how they react to certain plays. That's why I think it's retarded to have the stream on in the same room. Just put an analyst to a separate room to watch and feed info to coach who can call pre-round. "Okay they are probably having an eco do this", "Throw the same smokes as round 4 but then go here and watch out for the guy there"
2021-01-22 12:15
#10
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France Kaaai
5 minutes actually
2021-01-22 10:37
11 replies
#21
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Ireland DaFlame
Doesn't matter, ESIC said they will have a zero tolerance policy, they need to punish Vitality. If they don't punish Vitality now and set a precedent, they can't punish anyone. Even with 5 mins of a delay, even if it's 2 rounds prior information on economy, positioning etc. is huge. If they used it or not is not what's being debated. Vitality had information that could give them an unfair advantage and ESIC has to punish them. The form of the punishment is what worries me though, disqualifying Vitality fucks the bracket and decreasing their prize pool seems far too lenient for a "Zero tolerance policy". It's a really tough spot for ESIC and I hope they and Blast can find a solution that is fair for all of the other teams in the tournament.
2021-01-22 10:43
10 replies
it's funny because you probably think liquids loss has something to do with a tv being on in another room
2021-01-22 10:46
9 replies
It's funny how you are ignorant enough to not read a single thing he said. It doesn't matter if they won against liquid using streamsniping or not. It is illegal to have that tv running the stream while the match is ongoing, it's as simple as that. hltv.org/news/30741/esic-wont-take-actio.. If you don't understand what a zero tolerance policy is, please go back to middle school
2021-01-22 11:01
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#38 zero tolerance policy on actual stream sniping; they will be, and have probably been already warned by the admins since the tv was turned off during the match. if they did actually use it to their advantage they should obviously punished, saying they should be punished but at the same time saying it was an accident is stupid
2021-01-22 11:07
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Oh my, you really don't know what a zero tolerance policy is. Lemme break it down to you, if you can't prove beyond doubt that the stream running in background was indeed an "accident" as you like to call it, then it is punishable. Funny of you to call it an accident btw, it is the stupidest thing done by an org like Vitality. Also, #61 and #47 if that helps you understand
2021-01-22 11:26
6 replies
You’re basically saying „guilty until proven innocent“. Blast is recording and monitoring all the players cams and ts. Additionally the tv got turned off during the game. If there will be an investigation, they can go over ts and cams. It’s not unusual that the stream runs in a teams facility. Most likely even from the previous game or for staff members. If the intend would have been stream sniping, I doubt they’d use a tv visible on the player cams. Punishment where punishment is due, a warning could seem reasonable.
2021-01-22 11:30
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Mibr has been punished for the same thing, a tv running in the background. They were fined. An org like Vitality should already know. It is against the rules when fellow teams have been punished for the same and ESIC gave an statement. hltv.org/news/30741/esic-wont-take-actio.. They still somehow let the stream run and broke the rule. That alone proves them guilty. Unless they do have significant proof to show they are innocent.
2021-01-22 11:35
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Nah, it doesn’t prove them guilty. It puts pressure on them to explain the situation. I remember the mibr fine. The TV was running where the players could see it. Here they can not see the TV. I agree that an organization like Vitality should have awareness enough to not have that happen, yet we don’t know under what circumstance the TV was running.
2021-01-22 11:42
2 replies
It's not just the players, since coaches are allowed to talk. they are also part of the roster and it is totally visible to Xtqzz. especially online when they don't even need tactical timeouts to talk. In teamspeak you might just hear "push lobby". You won't hear something like, "hey guys, I've been watching the stream and they left this part of the map for last 5 rounds, lets push here". And ofcourse even mibr said they let the tv on by "accident" when asked to explain the situation. I think it is part of the job to be well informed of the rules and abide by them. Vitality failed to do so and they should be punished for it.
2021-01-22 11:56
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Well, if a sanction is reasonable is by the professionals to decide who get to review the full evidence. Should they be informed? Yes. Are they informed of the rules? Most likely. We haven’t monitored xtqzz and what he was doing. If he was walking around so that he could have looked at it and made according calls. A general fine or sanction for not being cautious enough can be justified. A punishment for actual stream sniping, not so easily.
2021-01-22 12:07
> if they did actually use it to their advantage they should obviously punished let me break it down for you. since admins have access to cameras and comms they can see/hear if they turned around or if they had any information, therefore they have every tool they need to prove beyod doubt that they weren't stream sniping. if you can't prove the tv was used to gain information then you can't say that it wasn't a simple mistake. and since i'm afraid you can't read i literally said in the comment reponding to you that they should be punished if they did use it gain an advantage, but, if after having reviewed the comms and the vods there is no substantial proof to say they streamsniped, then it was an accident and they shouldn't be punsihed but they should be warned. hope this clears it up for you buddy i also hope you're not stupid enough to think a team would streasnipe by using a tv in another room and in plain view of the cameras
2021-01-22 11:47
they literally put cameras all around the room how stupid would they be if they just turned around and checked the tv, the admins can get access to those cameras around the room, it was clearly a mistake
2021-01-22 10:39
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#17
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United Arab Emirates DynamicAWM
2021-01-22 10:41
8 replies
they will probably be warned or something. why tf would they punish the team if some random guy in another room left the tv on
2021-01-22 10:43
7 replies
#25
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United Arab Emirates DynamicAWM
If I remember correctly, ESIC ignored all past cases of streamsniping and said from that point on, any cases of streamsniping will have a zero-tolerance policy regarding it.
2021-01-22 10:45
6 replies
if you agree that this was an accident you can't say that this is streamsniping. there is no such thing as an "accidental" streamsnipe, either you state that you think this was not an accident or just stop posting. and if this was not an accident it will be uncovered very soon since admins have access to everything
2021-01-22 10:50
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#34
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United Arab Emirates DynamicAWM
Dude its really not that hard to understand. Its a zero-tolerance policy, the stream was running and it was clearly visible and thats all that matters, whether they used it to their advantage or not it doesnt matter.
2021-01-22 10:52
4 replies
> whether they used it to their advantage or not it doesnt matter. i mean it does because if they weren't it does not constitute a streamsnipe "The act of stream sniping is using someone's live broadcast to gain information to sabotage the streamer." They should be warned not punsihed
2021-01-22 10:56
So having a loaded gun and killing someone with it is basically the same thing? Im pretty sure they will check vitalitys teamspeack, watch the cam footage and then maybe give them a warning or even punishment if they deserve it
2021-01-22 11:21
Zero tolerance policies actually have to prove stream sniping happened... not just evidence to suggest. Zero tolerance just means if they are guilty they will get the maximum punishment regardless how little they stream sniped. You still require due process to prove without a doubt they stream sniped... based on the fact they have camera and team speak comms... I'm sure we will find out.
2021-01-22 12:06
1 reply
And to zero this home even more... the hltv link has 3 supporting statements... in regards to the points; 1. "ESIC has therefore concluded that the only sensible solution for the CS:GO community was to draw a line in the sand as of the date of this statement by indicating that we are closing all current investigations without prosecution and reiterating that any violation of this rule from today onwards will be prosecuted vigorously and the maximum available sanction sought if the player, coach or team is found guilty," ESIC said. This means an investigation will deem if the team is found guilty... regardless of zero tolerance. 2."Rules prohibiting the viewing of a CS:GO broadcast should be reviewed and, if necessary, strengthened, republished and notified to all participants" Depending on the use of "Participants" you would have to prove it was the players or the coach "Viewing" the stream, you can't expect no one in the building to have the stream up. 3."ESIC reinforces prohibition on stream sniping in CSGO with its notification of a zero tolerance policy." Stream sniping is specifically mentioned... meaning they have to be proven guilty of stream sniping for the zero tolerance policy to be effective. In short they can reprimand them on having the stream visible... but they have to prove the players stream sniped for that zero tolerance policy to have standing... take it as you will.
2021-01-22 12:28
#18
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Indonesia FinZzz
Thats why the players have their own cams and its constantly monitored by the admins. If they turn around for quite awhile the admins definitely would have noticed
2021-01-22 10:41
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#23
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United Arab Emirates DynamicAWM
I don't think they are cheating, that was not my point at all. Its the fact that the stream was running at all and the fact that it was very much accessible by the players and the coach makes it punishable. Also #16
2021-01-22 10:44
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#26
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Indonesia FinZzz
Well you got a fair point sir. I do kinda agree that they should just have seperate rooms for it
2021-01-22 10:45
It's probably very easy to stream snipe in the online games at the moment - the manager or coach or something could just leave the room and bring up the stream on his phone and no-one would know.
2021-01-22 10:42
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#29
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United Arab Emirates DynamicAWM
I agree, many teams probably do it but this is a particularly interesting case because they showed the stream running right in the background of their player cams lmao.
2021-01-22 10:47
9 replies
lol yeah it was clearly a mistake but a very careless one
2021-01-22 10:50
8 replies
#36
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United Arab Emirates DynamicAWM
Weird thing is many people claim that it has been running in the background for many tournaments now.
2021-01-22 10:53
7 replies
Hmm I don't know it looked like they had turned it off by map 2 but you would think if they were cheating it wouldn't be so blatant
2021-01-22 10:58
6 replies
#40
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United Arab Emirates DynamicAWM
2021-01-22 10:59
5 replies
Oh yeah fair enough. I don't think the punishment should be too drastic if there is one but ESIC seem pretty harsh
2021-01-22 11:00
4 replies
#46
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United Arab Emirates DynamicAWM
They had previously said there would be a zero-tolerance policy so I'm guessing it would be a fine and disqualification at the very least.
2021-01-22 11:02
3 replies
#97 You really want this disqualification... :)
2021-01-22 12:08
2 replies
If proven that they used it, they would be lucky to get away with just a disqualification lmao.
2021-01-22 12:18
1 reply
If proven
2021-01-22 12:39
#119
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Germany suriel666
especially since Vitality have 50 people walking in and out all the time, like a whole F1 team behind them consulting and watching every different detail. Should be punished hard 10/10, because ESIC said "zero tolerance from now on"
2021-01-22 12:59
the stream have about 10 minutes of delay
2021-01-22 10:53
4 replies
#41
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United Arab Emirates DynamicAWM
and that matters why?
2021-01-22 10:59
3 replies
because it means that they aren't stream snipping
2021-01-22 11:01
2 replies
#49
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United Arab Emirates DynamicAWM
2021-01-22 11:03
Such logic, much wow.
2021-01-22 11:04
#45
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Finland siloquez
No man, French CS players would never cheat! Some of them cheated 100%, I am not gonna say names but I think ppl know ;)
2021-01-22 11:01
ban. they know the rules and "it was an accident" doesn't hold any merit. if i accidentally let my baby die because i forget to feed him i still go to jail. It's part of the job description to not be negligent.
2021-01-22 11:02
3 replies
You don't accidentally stream snipe. You need to prove they used it to cheat, you can do this via voice comms and camera audio.
2021-01-22 12:09
2 replies
They use morse code transmitted through electrical pulsing ankle bracelets though
2021-01-22 14:17
1 reply
Wtf, they aren't supposed to do that. Well played vitality.
2021-01-22 15:29
they also have zywoo cheating
2021-01-22 11:02
6 replies
#51
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United Arab Emirates DynamicAWM
Xi Wu just good mens))
2021-01-22 11:03
5 replies
maybe, but this looks sus: youtube.com/watch?v=kLZvRfgF9D4&t=333s
2021-01-22 11:04
4 replies
#57
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United Arab Emirates DynamicAWM
That literally proves nothing lol, if that was solid evidence flusha would be on death row by now.
2021-01-22 11:07
3 replies
I accept what you think, but please watch whole video first
2021-01-22 11:07
2 replies
#62
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United Arab Emirates DynamicAWM
watched it, still proves nothing.
2021-01-22 11:11
1 reply
I agree that not all the clips show something obvious, but when he flicks through walls to heads for info (aimkey) I mean its suspicious
2021-01-22 11:19
they have had that every event almost, and it seems like they don't abuse it
2021-01-22 11:04
we will see
2021-01-22 11:06
p0mple_1_ESL_cheater_banned
2021-01-22 11:06
Was this exactly the reason why MIBR also faced punishment? They also had a TV running in the background, with the stream on, right? I'm sure they didn't do it deliberately, however, that's not the point. If a rule has been broken, they have to be punished, regardless of it being intentional or not.
2021-01-22 11:10
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#63
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United Arab Emirates DynamicAWM
I agree, and considering ESIC's previously made statements they won't let Vitality go so easily.
2021-01-22 11:12
#64
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Ukraine McSwell
Expected from french. Makes me remember when they used light version of olofboost in 2014, but then cried about fnatic had been using it against them.
2021-01-22 11:15
Liquid did this too you know ? in the back of fallen you can see the stream
2021-01-22 11:15
4 replies
#70
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United Arab Emirates DynamicAWM
doesn't matter who does it, all should be punished.
2021-01-22 11:25
#76
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France Vipair
clip ?
2021-01-22 11:32
2 replies
Im not gonna watch the stream again for just a clip i don't care about this if they don't use the stream to cheat just trust me or not if you want to check yourself its was on nuke 2nd half
2021-01-22 11:38
1 reply
#116
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France Vipair
fair enough
2021-01-22 12:53
First of all, stop crying I am pretty sure its XTQZZZ´s PC, cuz coaches are on the server but X is always behind players. Same as Moses, thats why U can see the same thing with Liquid.
2021-01-22 11:27
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#73
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United Arab Emirates DynamicAWM
no one is crying, you can be as delusional as you want and think they should get away with this but the fact of the matter is that it is still punishable.
2021-01-22 11:29
7 replies
Its literally allowed wtf? He is on the server, they cannot see opponents economy etc. Do you really think that if they wanted to cheat, they would do this? You are the delusional one.
2021-01-22 11:30
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#77
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United Arab Emirates DynamicAWM
#23 Also, you are like one of maybe 2 people who are defending it, even most vitality fans agree it was pretty stupid of them to have the stream running in the background.
2021-01-22 11:32
5 replies
I am not a fan of Vita, but they have this monitor behind them since online era started. They would surely get fined already. Also, I am pretty sure it is not a stream but XTQZZZ´s spectator
2021-01-22 11:34
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#85
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United Arab Emirates DynamicAWM
Its not XTQZZZ's view, you can clearly see the aerial view that they do just before the round starts which does not happen on spectator view.
2021-01-22 11:38
3 replies
Clip?
2021-01-22 11:38
2 replies
#88
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United Arab Emirates DynamicAWM
its literally at the top of the post, you didn't even take the time to read the post before defending them lmao.
2021-01-22 11:39
1 reply
Mb, I did not pay attention to this in the clip you have posted. Well, I guess thats pretty weird. It´s most likely for the Vita staff, but I agree it can b punishable
2021-01-22 11:42
Everyone who's saying it has 3 min delay it doesn't matter, mibr got a fine of 10K$ last year for the same shit
2021-01-22 11:27
4 replies
+1 this 3 minute argument is the dumbest argument and people still use it all the time
2021-01-22 11:37
1 reply
+1 You can still get really good grasp of opponent´s economy.
2021-01-22 11:40
#92
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United Arab Emirates DynamicAWM
agreed, its the worst argument.
2021-01-22 11:46
+1 fanboys being delusional and defending their team no matter what. its shameful and should be looked into, and if they were in fact using it in any capacity then fine them the same MIBR.
2021-01-22 11:52
#96
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France iatis
We could also argue that there are members of the staff in the same room with their phone switch on. So they could watch it from their phone also. Or receive info from other watching. I'm not saying they cheated thought, just that it seems really easy to do so. Online cs is not great ...
2021-01-22 11:59
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#103
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World Beard43
I don't think there's any real need to speculate about what they 'could' be doing when there's video footage of the actual stream playing on a large screen within eye shot of their playing area. I'm not suggesting that they're deliberately cheating either btw, but having announced a zero tolerance policy to this I am expecting ESIC to address it.
2021-01-22 12:21
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#106
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France iatis
I agree with you, ESIC should address it (except if somehow Blast allowed the setup). But, if you really want no information circuling during a side, the rules need to be more strict. When i do a certification exam from my home office, doors need to be closed, no one but me can be present in the room, no phone or anything ...
2021-01-22 12:28
#110
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Morocco royflord
same honestly, i don't think they're using it to cheat but they need to get fined as a warning for other teams
2021-01-22 12:29
There is a delay between 6-9 min (Source: TabseN said it on stream), ther are many reasons for it: -delay for not stream sniping -the production (guys who mix the Video an the Audio) -also it is normal in a TV Production and add a Delay if there are Technical Difficulties, so in case of a power loss they can react early There is another Proof, if you go on a bet site, some sites have a scoreboard which is real time, so you can see the score a few rounds ahead then in the twitch stream.
2021-01-22 12:34
Man flaf checks out
2021-01-22 12:57
for cheating they would be stupid.. as you can use the stream on your phone while playing discretly and not get caught... some guys here have zero iq.. more than 10 years with online tournament do you think they didn t think to that issu ? thats why there is delay .. just the online qualification to major ect.. it would be a clown fiesta.. anyone can watch the stream at same time on any online match while playing , only now you realize that? but it won t help at all in 95% of the game , more the opposite
2021-01-22 19:08
#128
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Switzerland Sylleo
Cant wait for lans to be back, online cs is dogshit for an unholy amount of reasons
2021-01-22 19:01
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