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Top 20 of all time
ZywOo | 
France 15yo_friendly_baguette 
Hello, I made a list of the top 20 players of all time based on HLTV top 20s, MVPs, tournaments wins, EVPs (majors wins, majors MVPs & majors EVPs included) The more recent the result, the more it counts Top 20 : 1. device // 3602pts 2. dupreeh // 2705pts 3. Magisk // 2439pts 4. Xyp9x // 2231pts 5. gla1ve // 1896pts 6. coldzera // 1704pts 7. s1mple // 1561pts 8. NiKo // 1457pts 9. EliGE // 1319pts 10. FalleN // 1204pts 11. olofmeister // 1171pts 12. ZywOo // 1114pts 13. NAF // 1103pts 14. electronic // 1100pts 15. fer // 1084pts 16. KRIMZ // 1023pts 17. GuardiaN // 995pts 18. flusha // 956pts 19. JW // 806pts 20. Stewie2K // 798pts Top 20-30 : 21. flamie // 780pts 22. Twistzz // 763pts 23. Brehze // 739pts 24. ropz // 736pts 25. kennyS // 726pts 26. rain // 701pts 27. TACO // 683pts 28. tarik 29. Snax 30. Kjaerbye French players : 12. ZywOo // 1114pts 25. kennyS // 726pts 31. NBK- // 623pts 32. shox // 588pts 33. apEX // 546pts 34. Happy // 539pts --. kioShiMa // 377pts --. SmithZz // 199pts
2021-01-22 15:09
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The more recent the result, the more it counts makes no sense
2021-01-22 15:11
23 replies
yeah so 2012 results count as much as 2018-2020 results ?
2021-01-22 15:11
22 replies
why not??
2021-01-22 15:13
13 replies
because in 2012 it was just shooting ppl and shit tournaments with shit teams, now it's way bigger and way more developed
2021-01-22 15:30
11 replies
#56
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Poland JKG
So ?
2021-01-22 15:45
7 replies
more money -> more teams and smart/skilled players wanting to be pro -> more competitive more playtime -> more strats developed -> harder to shallow players win smthg an average doctor right now is better than the best doctor of 15th century
2021-01-22 16:04
6 replies
In other words Pele is not one of the best players of all time and not ever top 200 football player of all time?
2021-01-22 16:46
5 replies
he's the most important historically, but if you consider 1970 pele vs 2010-14ish messi, messi was way more competitive than pele. im not saying if pele was born nowadays he wouldnt be better than messi. for example, probably a tier 2 team nowadays would destroy a tier 1 team of cs 1.6, but probably if these players had access to nowadays informations about the game, those new strats developed, they would win.
2021-01-22 16:53
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#101
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Czech Republic poledne
+1 100% i remember watching NIP in 2014 thinking like wtf is this strategy ... they were so bad at strats ... it was horible to watch 0 saving stupid rushes soooo many bad smokes ... nad so on
2021-01-22 17:13
if pele in his prime played against teams like barcelona, juventus, real madrid he would be good but nowhere near messi or ronaldo, simply because the competition will always get higher as time goes on and players get better
2021-01-22 16:57
2 replies
+1 u can consider pele as a most important personality for football or a player that could be better than ronaldo/messi if he was born nowadays, but if you compare different generations competitiveness, nowadays it's way better
2021-01-22 17:41
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#127
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Brazil vgzz
até pq ele ganhou 3 copas
2021-01-28 02:41
based on this logic csgo is a shit game with shit tournaments that no one cares about when compared to dota 2
2021-01-22 16:46
2012 yea but from when majors and 250k+ events started it definitely counts as much ar now
2021-01-22 16:50
also you need to reward recent activity
2021-01-22 17:29
Because there were 2 teams in 2012 and they were both dogshit
2021-01-22 16:44
#13
REZ | 
Mexico PS5
yes, beacuse youre doing best players of all time, not best players atm
2021-01-22 15:13
4 replies
then GTR > ZywOo & s1mple ?
2021-01-22 15:30
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#49
REZ | 
Mexico PS5
yes, zywoo has only been relevant for 2 years, get_right stayed consistent for more years and has a mayor, although it wouldnt surprise if zywoo surpasses him in a few years
2021-01-22 15:33
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#102
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Czech Republic poledne
you can´t really be serious ...... i mean on stats ok but look his games where he was good. it was good for that time but come on mis smokes, stupid 1vs5 0 saves ... now a days you would get kicked from teams if you palyed liek that
2021-01-22 17:14
Then it’s a problem with the other filters you’re using
2021-01-22 15:47
that makes no sense. 0/8
2021-01-22 17:25
+1
2021-01-22 17:27
No, but say from 2014 and forward you could give the same points. It’s pathetic to have MIBR core over Fnatic core, makes no sense to anyone.
2021-01-22 18:09
Wtf... shox is way higher than 32 and everyone knows that
2021-01-22 15:10
3 replies
his achievements are old af
2021-01-22 15:22
2 replies
#64
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France Manitex
you said all time, that's make no sense. Shox in top10 top5 top2 teams since 2012, is this irrelevant?
2021-01-22 16:11
cl_logic 0
2021-01-22 17:24
>TACO >fer >stewie every time i see a list like this with Taco, i laught hard
2021-01-22 15:11
4 replies
he's 27th and it's deserved
2021-01-22 15:12
3 replies
its not if you want to make a list about individual performance, you should not consider group achievements. TACO is one of the worst players individual, he was never top20 of the year. Stewie and fer inside top20 of all time its a joke and where is Get RighT? F0rest?
2021-01-22 15:19
2 replies
why ? fer has been insane for a long time
2021-01-22 15:17
Fer - 2 Majors 2 Times top 20, 3rd in 2017 Entry fragger with 1.09 rating throughout his career. 1 bad year and everyone talks shit about him. Taco may not be in top 20 but fer will be.
2021-01-22 15:22
would be cool to have this without the tournament wins
2021-01-22 15:11
5 replies
device 1974 Magisk 1099 dupreeh 1077 Xyp9x 643 gla1ve 343 coldzera 1059 s1mple 1321 NiKo 1122 EliGE 974 FalleN 594 olof 506 ZywOo 883 NAF 713 electronic 880 fer 474 KRIMZ 528 GuardiaN 620 flusha 328 JW 178 Stewie2K 188 didnt do it for the others device s1mple NiKo Magisk dupreeh coldzera EliGE ZywOo electronic NAF etc.
2021-01-22 15:20
lol than what will be the point of the list. Winning tournaments is the most essential part of any game
2021-01-22 15:23
3 replies
hltv top 20 has nothing to do with winning tournaments
2021-01-22 16:35
2 replies
hltv rankings are dependent on that
2021-01-22 16:42
1 reply
hltv rankings have nothing to do with personal stats tho
2021-01-23 11:39
#5
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United States GGtho
Omegalul list
2021-01-22 15:11
#6
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Europe Xnxiety
here even the team of five randomly sorted players is better than Na'Vi (sry for bad englando)
2021-01-22 15:11
1. is correct at least :)
2021-01-22 15:12
1 reply
agreed
2021-01-22 16:06
#10
JD | 
Poland Banzanic
nice list, wish it was acc
2021-01-22 15:13
> Top 20 of all time > The more recent the result, the more it counts ok
2021-01-22 15:13
11 replies
2012 results worth as much as 2020 results then ?
2021-01-22 15:23
9 replies
Yes, because you've made a top of all time, not a top of 2020
2021-01-22 15:24
7 replies
ok so 2012 results with only shit tournaments, players, when cs was just shooting ppl worth as much as 2020 results nice brain
2021-01-22 15:25
6 replies
You can start counting from 2014 for example, but the sentence > The more recent the result, the more it counts < means that 2020 results >>> 2015 results, and if you're making a top 20 of all time, it shouldn't work like that
2021-01-22 15:28
5 replies
but 2016 results don't mean the same as 2019 results for example
2021-01-22 15:28
4 replies
Actually they mean, bcuz in 2016 cs was established enough with solid teams, tournaments and majors. Also everyone was in equal conditions at the same time period, but someone found a way to be better
2021-01-22 15:32
Why tf not? how does the game being more developed mean that winning now is more valuable? if you won back then it just meant u were ahead of everyone else at the time. Your list makes no sense, all astralis players in the top 5 and people like kenny snax guardian behind naf and elige? lmfao
2021-01-22 15:33
They do. You have a point for 2012, 13, maybe 14, but then it's just the same. You can't take level into consideration, maybe they were worse than what we have today, but that's because of context (less playtime, worse PCs etc...). You should only take into consideration competitiveness AT THE TIME which is based of the number of people willing to compete. I think it's approximately the same since 2015.
2021-01-22 16:59
This makes no sense. Sure for 2012/2013 you can deduct points, but an argument like this just shows immaturity.
2021-01-22 18:13
U r rarted)))))
2021-01-22 16:43
+1
2021-01-22 15:39
cs 1.6 not included right?
2021-01-22 15:13
1 reply
just csgo
2021-01-22 15:25
how did you get the results?
2021-01-22 15:13
2 replies
1 reply
what
2021-01-22 15:40
Top 20 players with more achievements *
2021-01-22 15:14
2 replies
yes cuz it's the most important in csgo
2021-01-22 15:29
1 reply
doesn't mean they are the best players
2021-01-22 15:32
your motivations make sense in a vacuum but surely you would understand somewhere down the line that it just doesn't add up? No old NiP guys?
2021-01-22 15:16
2 replies
NiP guys have almost only 2012-2014 results, they have like 300-500pts
2021-01-22 15:26
1 reply
And hence, your methods don't work. Clearly you need to modify your system
2021-01-22 17:54
1) where are GTR and f0reest? 2) Why is your top5 only astralis players?
2021-01-22 15:16
4 replies
cuz only 2012-2014 wins, they have like 300-500pts cuz of achievements, majors, mvps, evps
2021-01-22 15:26
3 replies
oh so this list is 2015-2020, not all time thx
2021-01-22 15:59
2 replies
Not even that. Look at where fnatic is.
2021-01-22 18:16
+1 omegalul newfag making a tier list
2021-01-23 11:47
This is why context is needed for everything and how the list can never be objective as weighting up to someones opinion is required
2021-01-22 15:18
2 replies
device (144 + 126 + 114 + 80 + 72 + 54 + 1) + (120 + 245 + 330 + 20 + 60) + (160 + 665 + 495 + 213 + 20 + 75) + (120 + 193 + 90 + 175 + 30) = 3602 dupreeh (3 + 10 + 27 + 55 + 96 + 35 + 96) + (35 + 30) + (160 + 665 + 495 + 213 + 20 + 75) + (113 + 180 + 157 + 240) = 2705 Magisk (80 + 112 + 84 + 28) + (30 + 175) + (160 + 665 + 495 + 20) + (30 + 195 + 245 + 120) = 2439 Xyp9x (1 + 40 + 48 + 49) + (25) + (120 + 665 + 495 + 213 + 20 + 75) + (38 + 180 + 262) = 2231 gla1ve (78) + (35) + (160 + 665 + 495 + 213 + 20) + (35 + 195) = 1896 coldzera (66 + 100 + 80) + (125 + 220) + (40 + 35 + 30 + 200 + 340) + (123 + 105 + 200 + 40) = 1704 s1mple (152 + 133 + 65 + 68) + (80 + 35 + 180 + 25 + 20) + (40 + 35 + 120 + 25 + 20) + (140 + 158 + 120 + 25 + 120) = 1561 NiKo (136 + 70 + 108 + 95 + 40) + (40 + 70 + 60 + 50) + (40 + 105 + 90 + 100) + (100 + 53 + 165 + 125 + 10) = 1457 EliGE (45 + 36 + 119 + 104) + (40 + 105) + (40 + 245 + 60) + (38 + 105 + 262 + 120) = 1319 FalleN (76 + 75) + (20 + 50 + 30) + (30 + 240 + 340) + (160 + 75 + 90 + 18) = 1204 olof (10 + 62 + 60 + 18) + (40 + 158) + (105 + 30 + 75 + 60 + 345 + 50) + (75 + 63 + 20) = 1171 ZywOo (160 + 140) + (240 + 175) + (100 + 131) + (80 + 88) = 1114 NAF (90 + 98) + (70 + 60 + 25) + (40 + 245 + 60 + 25 + 20) + (195 + 175) = 1103 electronic (102 + 105 + 128) + (40) + (40 + 35 + 120 + 25) + (13 + 195 + 157 + 140) = 1100 fer (24 + 90) + (25) + (30 + 240 + 340) + (40 + 175 + 15 + 105) = 1084 KRIMZ (24 + 42 + 72 + 28 + 32) + (30 + 30 + 20) + (40 + 35 + 60 + 40 + 270 + 50) + (120 + 70 + 60) = 1023 GuardiaN (60 + 60 + 16 + 57 + 20 + 11) + (35 + 30 + 20 + 60 + 10) + (70 + 90 + 75 + 60 + 60 + 20) + (18 + 120 + 63 + 40) = 995 flusha (8 + 38 + 48 + 44) + (30 + 75 + 20) + (40 + 35 + 60 + 60 + 345 + 50 + 38) + (50 + 15) = 956 JW (13 + 32 + 33) + (15 + 10 + 25) + (40 + 35 + 60 + 60 + 345 + 50 + 38) + (15 + 35) = 806 Stewie2K (0) + (25) + (40 + 245 + 255 + 50 + 20) + (75 + 88) = 798 the first part are the top 20s, 2nd mvps, 3rd tournaments, 4th evps
2021-01-22 15:28
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why did you count this all for this irrelevent list that doesn't make any sense lol
2021-01-22 16:37
What all time? All time csgo?
2021-01-22 15:23
1 reply
yes
2021-01-22 15:26
TACO HAHAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAJHIOFWEASDNMFROIPKJEASWIOPFRJEIOPASTGFES75FG685ES4T86GF7ERS+T/9/
2021-01-22 15:24
3 replies
yes ?
2021-01-22 15:26
2 replies
sick joke
2021-01-22 16:34
1 reply
Ty
2021-01-22 16:35
#44
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North America AlanSmith
TACO and Kjaerbye above GeT_RiGhT and f0rest BIGGEST LMAO
2021-01-22 15:30
2 replies
More majors for TACO and more recent results
2021-01-22 16:34
1 reply
#90
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North America AlanSmith
sorry but your list is full shit
2021-01-22 16:52
#45
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Nepal Aguminok
stopped reading at 1. device
2021-01-22 15:31
#50
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Bulgaria JkUP
seems perfect to me , nice one
2021-01-22 15:37
0/8 shit list
2021-01-22 15:39
Good list
2021-01-22 15:39
#55
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Denmark KalasYoP
More recent results count more when you make a list called "all-time". Something is wrong there. Olof top 3, kennyS, Niko, Guardian top 10.
2021-01-22 15:41
1 reply
Yeah olof had 1 good year and sucks since 3 years but ok
2021-01-22 16:34
What a short-sighted, ill-informed, frankly childish view of looking at things -_- Really bad 1/8
2021-01-22 15:45
1 reply
It's stats, it's shit, that's why ZywOo isn't 1st
2021-01-22 16:33
Top 20 of all time - The more recent the result, the more it counts Pick one
2021-01-22 16:04
interesting, nice job but idk, 2015 result are just the same as 2020 for me so
2021-01-22 16:04
zywoo 12 AAHHAHAHA nt kid
2021-01-22 16:34
6 replies
Yeah he should be 1st
2021-01-22 16:34
5 replies
no, he shouldnt be even in top 40
2021-01-22 16:35
4 replies
just like s1mple
2021-01-22 17:06
3 replies
s1mple is top 5 player of all time 100% and maybe top 2-3
2021-01-22 17:46
2 replies
nt sam2k
2021-01-22 17:50
1 reply
i am not sam2k
2021-01-22 18:06
Markeloff 44 GTR 91 Trace 35 Starix 18 Edward 27 F0rest 83 Neo 38 Zonic 13 Moddii 17 delpan 25 n0thing 10 Gux 20 sixeR 8 fRoD 7 roman 6 face 12 peri 4 Xizt 26 zeus 2 dsn 1 Taz 15 Friis 14 Karrigan 13 Kalle 10 ed1k 9 aslak 4 pasha 23 dosia 19 shox 54 NBK 32 scream 26 JW 40 hiko 12 guardian 65 friberg 17 kennys 61 flusha 54 nico 7 smithzz 4 dupreeh 50 Xyp9x 24 device 108 kioshima 2 swag 3 apex 9 byali 8 olofm 44 happy 24 KRIMZ 46 snax 51 Skadoodle 1 allu 2 cajunb 6 flamie 16 dennis 1 fnx 2 Kjaerbye 11 fer 6 Magisk 47 Niko 74 s1mple 87 fallen 34 coldzera 51 bolts 3 adren 4 oskar 12 Konfig 7 Elige 45 hobbit 10 rain 20 fer 18 valde 1 ropz 27 autimatic 4 sunny 5 Twistzz 21 galive 13 NAF 29 electronic 48 ethan 1 brollan 8 cerq 3 jks 8 sergej 8 woxic 9 brehze 14 Zywoo 40 KSCERATO 3 HEN1 5 yuurih 7 hunter 8 stavn 9 syrson 11 blamef 15 This is every player ever ranked since 2010 to now, 1 point for 20th and 20 points for first, i cant be assed to put it in order.
2021-01-22 16:36
top5 is full of astralis squad?this is joke.cold and s1mple are better than everyone in astralis except device.elige is too high aswell.
2021-01-22 16:40
4 replies
Device isn't 'good' remember the summer when he was playing with jugi and snappi? He requires the full support of his team to even be noteworthy
2021-01-22 16:42
3 replies
You could argue hes used to it so he maybe could if he was used to being a more solo player. And Jugi and snappi could probably find a way to drag anyone down.
2021-01-22 16:45
Lol you put those 2 in navi or vitality and lets see how simple and zywoo handles it with Them, device obviously best when he knows where he got his team mates thats not a bad thing Id say
2021-01-22 16:45
but still he is the best player of the most successful squad ever.2x major mvp and more mvp than anyone else in cs history.he is in top5(top3 except 2017) for 6 years.this means he's great individually aswell.not just a team player,devve is something else.
2021-01-22 16:58
Cant do of All time and be biased with new times man then its just greatest of last 3 years and everyone know Astralis ruled those need to be neutral
2021-01-22 16:43
#81
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Hungary raffai
Top 20 of all time: Stewie2K XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
2021-01-22 16:44
#87
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France just_focus
not bad
2021-01-22 16:47
#91
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Argentina atriX^
>The more recent the result, the more it counts >Top 20 of all time One or the other.
2021-01-22 16:54
hm
2021-01-22 17:00
old NiPs?
2021-01-22 17:07
#99
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United States raymoney
Wouldn't put all 5 astralis players since not all of them had high individual peaks
2021-01-22 17:10
#100
NiKo | 
Montenegro G1EX
Other people have said it and pointed everything wrong about your list, admins delete this please so this guy doesn't embarrass himself further.
2021-01-22 17:10
All time... Yeah, right...
2021-01-22 17:18
I like the analysis. From a game-play standpoint, it's reasonable to weight later achievements slightly higher than past achievements but that method is not typically considered when debating "all time" lists. Would be interesting to see what happens when you take the time bias out of the analysis.
2021-01-22 17:18
#105
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Switzerland byter
Good job man. Care to share how you attribute points more in detail?
2021-01-22 17:20
The more recent the result, the more it counts. How dumb can you actually be? The list is so wrong but i just hope that you are trolling because if not, you have some serious mental problems.
2021-01-22 17:24
shit list
2021-01-22 17:29
Something is wrong with your brain. Team results are different from individual performance buddy
2021-01-22 17:54
wow
2021-01-22 18:12
no get_right or forest 0/8 bait
2021-01-23 11:41
shit list 0/8, nt newfag
2021-01-23 11:49
gla1ve have only one mvp of course IGL goat but cs:go top 5 wtf
2021-01-28 02:31
Recon 5
1.35
Mythic
3.03
Virtus.pro
2.61
Astralis
1.49
PACT
3.16
Sprout
1.34
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