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DISQUALIFY VITALITY
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United States jack4000 
youtube.com/watch?v=_i2UbKVOqxM Richard is so right (as always)
2021-01-23 13:12
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Netherlands TyStackz
Leave that boy in the past.
2021-01-23 13:13
9 replies
+1 who cars about random dude being toxic on youtube..
2021-01-23 15:56
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#138
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Lithuania Mexzy
Random? he's the only honest guy in cs scene
2021-01-23 16:17
some random dude? are you braindead?
2021-01-23 16:20
danish brain dead
2021-01-23 17:34
5 replies
We have misses too, don't blame it on the whole Kingdom of Denmark....!!!
2021-01-23 23:13
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It's Nikolaj Nyholm's anonymous account dw, only one miss
2021-01-23 23:53
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Nikolaj Nyholm never misses. One miss only rule - is redundant
2021-01-24 00:01
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Idk dude, the Astralis org is gonna look pretty shit once the roster's contracts expire. With all the shady shit going on they're gonna have a hard time retaining tier 1 players.
2021-01-25 00:29
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Yir Astralis is only going to the shitters from now on. They tried with expanding the roster but it did not work so now they try with a talent team... They are searching, but will they be successful?
2021-01-25 01:14
#2
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United Kingdom EddieNahui
+1 if they don't dq them it shows the blast is a paper tiger and has no integrity at all
2021-01-23 13:14
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#10
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Sweden Lagge15
You don't figured that out when their admins said that they disregard their own rulebook ro testat a round that shouldn't be restarted? I stopped watching and caring about Blast after reading that they restart a round because they assumed something happened. Even though server logs didn't confirm their assumption
2021-01-23 13:21
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server logs only show when a player disconnect, not when he froze
2021-01-23 13:56
they won't because they are "top" team
2021-01-23 13:15
I don't think they were watching the stream but interesting to see what happens if they are deemed to be streamsniping lol ... maybe they will lose to Astralis because of it now
2021-01-23 13:18
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#17
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Sweden quacke
MIBR were fined for the same thing in Flashpoint and ESIC very clearly stated that it wasn't allowed earlier in 2020. Even if they didn't use it they still broke the rules.
2021-01-23 13:42
21 replies
exactly after MIBR were fined, I thought they said no tolerance and harsher sanctions now...
2021-01-23 13:43
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#29
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Finland Khroni
they did but it wasnt even ESIC that took action, it was FP itself so far ESIC has done nothing about stream sniping other than say they were aware of it but wouldnt give retrospective punishment
2021-01-23 13:56
2 replies
be surprised if BLAST do nothing, I bet behind the scenes vita be given fines maybe...
2021-01-23 13:57
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#58
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Finland Khroni
i doubt it, i feel like blast keeps things professional at the least and there is no way that someone there havent seen vitality threads at this point so i'd expect an announcement already if they dont announce a penalty or something either before the match on stream or twitter then they probably wont do anything at all
2021-01-23 14:19
clips.twitch.tv/CovertCulturedChickpeaSt.. Not the same, mibr players were clearly watching and reacting to the stream. There is not a single image that show vitality looking at the stream
2021-01-23 13:46
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#98
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Sweden quacke
But you can't rule it out, can you? ESIC specifically outlined that you're not allowed to have a live feed of the stream in your game-room. It's that simple. Vitality broke the rule.
2021-01-23 15:23
9 replies
It wasn’t in the game room though and it was behind them so you would be able to see it without someone noticing
2021-01-23 15:38
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#110
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Sweden quacke
That's a gray area. Up to BLAST and ESIC to decide on that one.
2021-01-23 15:45
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its not gray coach can see it so he give info in lan coach cant see the stream so why he can here?
2021-01-23 15:59
ESIC will review all the footage and comms to see if it was stream sniping, or if it was merely a mistake, and that they forgot to turn off the stream
2021-01-23 15:58
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#121
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Sweden quacke
That's good. Hopefully it gets a satisfying ending.
2021-01-23 15:59
4 replies
I know the Vitality coach pretty well, and from what I've seen, he's not the guy to try to gain unfair advantages
2021-01-23 16:00
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#136
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Sweden quacke
They were just fined $10,000.
2021-01-23 16:17
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Yea, I just saw, but as I thought "There were no malicious intentions"
2021-01-23 16:19
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#153
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Sweden quacke
Yeah I didn't think there were any either, but ESIC can't ever rule it out.
2021-01-23 16:27
They have the players recorded and cameras on them 24-7 if they cheated with the tv you would have seen it I am not a vitality fan either they just beat liquid but there was no wrong doing
2021-01-23 14:11
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yes no wrong doing but can argue MIBR did the same....
2021-01-23 14:23
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The tv was 50 feet behind them and if I am not mistaken the players comms were not recorded at flashpoint so no way to say they didn’t use I love the ex mibr guys but you can’t prove they didn’t use it without the team comma and the tv was right behind them
2021-01-23 14:37
2 replies
yeah, I'm expecting BLAST to do nothing tbh
2021-01-23 14:45
1 reply
They don’t need to though
2021-01-23 14:47
#100
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Sweden quacke
2021-01-23 15:23
Flag, flair, name checks out. Expected from brainless B.
2021-01-23 13:19
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#104
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United Kingdom Triturn
0/8
2021-01-23 15:32
WTF RL got hairs? When? :O I haven't seen him for a while, when did he get hair transplantation done? :O also, no don't disqualify them.. Leave them to us. We will destroy them after Astralis are done with them.. We will bring back 2010 this year <3 #NAVINATION
2021-01-23 13:20
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I think that he's always had hair though just used to shave his head
2021-01-23 16:06
1 reply
Haha, I never noticed it. Lol
2021-01-23 23:02
2010 navi <3
2021-01-23 23:49
VITALITY must FORFEIT the match where it was discovered, where they BLATANTLY used a TV screen playing a match on delay against LIQUID
2021-01-23 13:20
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Salt
2021-01-23 15:11
#147
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France Poloqua
Blatantly rofl
2021-01-23 16:23
He is completely right. Rules are rules and they are foe fking everyone. No exceptions
2021-01-23 13:28
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#139
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Lithuania Mexzy
+1
2021-01-23 16:18
I agree, I don't think the screen was the reason why they won against Liquid but it really isn't that hard to just shut off every stream that's somewhere where a player could see it
2021-01-23 13:31
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#108
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Canada MiLkBaGzz
+1 I dont think they used it at all or cheated even slightly. BUT a rule is a rule
2021-01-23 15:41
1 reply
yeah I agree but if you don't disqualify a team once it's just gonna happen again and again and again
2021-01-23 16:49
#14
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Brazil Madamrocas
Yeah, they must be fined
2021-01-23 13:32
5 replies
I don't think a fine would be enough at this point
2021-01-23 13:51
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that was the punishment for mibr
2021-01-23 14:00
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That was before ESIC said they would no longer tolerate stream sniping at all
2021-01-23 14:00
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No proof they stream sniped. You just have evidence to suggest they had the possibility of stream sniping.
2021-01-23 15:12
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a tv with the stream on where the coach can easy see
2021-01-23 16:02
If they don't even fine/warn Vitality, they are very clearly biased against Brazilians. Mibr was punished for this. Even they had "just forgotten to turn off" the stream.
2021-01-23 13:33
why??
2021-01-23 13:39
disqual!
2021-01-23 13:42
#22
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Sweden X-rAy
Lets be honest, if it was MIBR everyone would be on top of them and they would already be DQ
2021-01-23 13:51
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#25
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Finland ye6ok
not rly
2021-01-23 13:54
2 replies
i mean yeah
2021-01-23 13:55
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#30
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Finland ye6ok
it would happen to mibr and any other irrelevant tier 3 team, ESIC holding on vitality case because they're too scared of banning them, but saying that nobody on top of vitality is just untrue
2021-01-23 13:56
+1
2021-01-23 13:55
#41
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Italy ROMAG
true, just look at the comments, you can see the overreacting hltv.org/news/30754/mibr-fined-by-flashp..
2021-01-23 14:07
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and about "cheaters" jermans speak first hahah
2021-01-23 15:18
meh people are losing their shit for the wrong reasons. the real concerning thing about all of this is that there is no effective way of supervising the players. you need to be a moron to stream snipe using a monitor in plain sight of the camera. it's like that dude who stormed the capitol while wearing a name tag. if seeing a monitor in the background with the stream on is the only thing that makes you concerned about stream sniping then you are an idiot. there are a bunch of ways they could stream snipe and you wouldn't have a clue. the coach could be watching the stream on his phone, they could have a monitor in a place not covered by the cameras, you see people go in and out of the room - one of them could watch the stream and tell them about ct setups or whatever. when it comes to players who play from their homes they could easily have the stream open in the background or on another monitor. the real issue is a lack of any kind of meaningful supervision in place and no viable way of administering it. welcome to online cs.
2021-01-23 13:53
11 replies
well said +1
2021-01-23 13:57
#37
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Norway dudpro
Yes, there isn't the proper way to monitor online CS. But TO can make rules like Riot as mentioned in the video. Express your view: Is it ok to subside the issue while MIBR was fined just because they forget to turn off the TV ? Rules are rules, it should be followed and applied for all. No matter what the team ranking or no. of star players they have.
2021-01-23 14:00
#43
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World Beard43
We literally have an example here of a team being caught breaking the rules and not a word being spoken about it, no penalty, nothing. What exactly do you think would be the point in any kind of further supervision? So we can catch them doing more things wrong and do fuck all about that too?
2021-01-23 14:10
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i think the system as a whole is flawed. it's like if you wouldn't test people for drug usage during the olympics but then threaten to penalize anyone who was throwing away a used syringe before their competition. like sure, go ahead and penalize them for being an idiot (even though it's not a 100% proof of them cheating either just like an open stream in the bg isn't 100% proof of stream sniping) but is it really the thing you should to be concerned about? im not saying vitality shouldn't be penalized. if they fined mibr they should fine vitality as well but i think most people are missing the bigger picture and would still do if this issue wasn't brought up by RL. personally, i thought the whole thing was retarded ever since online CS became the norm cuz there is no robust way of assuring stream sniping cannot happen. the only way that would work for certain is to stream a replay / demo after the game has been finished but i doubt the fans would tolerate that.
2021-01-23 15:52
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"the only way that would work for certain is to stream a replay / demo after the game has been finished but i doubt the fans would tolerate that." at first i wanted to say make the delay even bigger. but none of this is a real solution because as far as i know all match information are passed in real time if you have the match id. i could be wrong on this. but if its true a parser like the one hltv uses could gather the information in real time. so you could extract all informations you want in real time and would have even more, better and faster knowledge than watching the stream. the real problem is VALVE. its their game. they need to come up with a solution. but they are careless about esport / competetive cs. all in all it is a shame that valve does not care in the least about all the problems that have arisen lately. ESIC is a joke and should not be allowed to exist at all. as long as all the idiots buy skins without end and thus fill the pockets of valve nothing will change anyway.
2021-01-23 16:17
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+1 it's kinda like the cheating discussion all over again. personally i don't think that cheating is as rampant as some people believe but i'd like valve to minimize the chance of it being possible in the first place as much as they can, be it a technical solution (like vods, mouse & keyboard loggers, etc) or regulatory. they never bothered with that. it's the tournament organizers that end up introducing various features. valve don't care.
2021-01-23 16:23
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yes it's unbelievable how valve behaves. just because csgo works on the surface doesn't mean you don't have to worry about the underlying problems. otherwise the construct collapses like a house of cards. i found several API options on google within 5 minutes that output data in real time. docs.gamescorekeeper.com/#live_api_csgo all the people crying here about stream sniping are real idiots. with an api in connection with a mobile app or something else much more damage can be generated. this is a real security hole instead of stream sniping with a delay of 4 or 5 minutes.
2021-01-23 16:31
at least twitch and hltv are synced. so maybe im hopefully wrong about the API stuff.
2021-01-23 16:51
#152
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World Beard43
Well I definitely agree that the system is severely flawed and I think your example is fairly spot on, but I don't see that as a legitimate reason not to penalise people who are actually caught. On the note of it not being proof of sniping, I would argue that after an extremely blunt "zero tolerance" announcement from ESIC, that is hardly relevant. Consider for a moment the 28 Australian players who were just banned for 12 months for placing a bet on CS, a bet that was specifically not on a game they had anything to do with; Some of those guys would literally have just joined some throw together team that they tried out for after school or work and qualified for MDL with, then decided to place a random bet on a NaVi vs Vitality game on the other side of the world between people with whom they share exactly zero mutual acquaintances. Boom, 1 year ban. Fair? Yes, fair. Zero tolerance rules like that simplify the process because they negate the need to prove intent or gain. They remove what would otherwise be a serious flaw in the system and the only downside is that pro CS players can't bet on pro CS, or teams can't have a stream playing within eyeshot...
2021-01-23 16:25
#69
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France HippzZ
+1
2021-01-23 14:35
the first clever and complete comment about this
2021-01-23 16:15
Power of online matches haha
2021-01-23 13:57
Pro players getting banned just for betting on CS matches, but when Vitality streamsnipes no one gives a fuck XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
2021-01-23 13:59
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#42
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Serbia LtN))
+1
2021-01-23 14:10
8 mins of delay so its not really stream snipe its useless
2021-01-23 14:13
10 replies
Flag checks out
2021-01-23 14:15
4.5 minute delay and it's literaly against the rules
2021-01-23 14:16
"8 mIn DeLaY bTW" hahaha it's not close to 8 min. But expected from KQlY country to make excuses for cheating
2021-01-23 14:26
7 replies
6min delay, pretty much useless yes + kqly was armenian
2021-01-23 14:41
6 replies
source: trust me bro
2021-01-23 15:50
5 replies
Source : Blast rulebook, 5min delay + Gotv delay
2021-01-23 15:55
4 replies
what about the kqly was armenian part?
2021-01-23 15:57
2 replies
Hovik "KQLY" Tovmassian (born August 29, 1990) is a retired professional Counter-Strike: Global Offensive and Counter-Strike: Source player of Armenian descent.
2021-01-23 16:04
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wtf bro, did you just copy & paste the entire part just without it saying he is actually french dude? :D:D:D:D:D Here is what it actually says: Hovik "KQLY" Tovmassian (born August 29, 1990) is a retired French professional Counter-Strike: Global Offensive and Counter-Strike: Source player of Armenian descent. Nice try tho dude :D:D:D:D:D:D
2021-01-23 16:14
to be fair in professional CS any info is useful info. No matter what delay you have, as long as its not 30 minutes
2021-01-23 16:13
No proof they stream sniped. You just have evidence to suggest they had the possibility of stream sniping.
2021-01-23 15:14
There was someone else watching the game, its also behind their back and wall. Also stream is delayed. Cringe long video by some wanna-be smart old man.
2021-01-23 14:02
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#40
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Poland v1ctorex
Flair checks out If you think its ok to break the rules than kkkkkk
2021-01-23 14:05
#44
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Korea ramza72
+1111 agre this is cheating a 5 min delay won't help you figure out your opponent's game plan, but it sure is enough to predict the state of their economy, and call out new boosts they're trying
2021-01-23 14:10
screen in another room + delay + nobody watching it I see some of you are a bit confused about this, hope this helps.
2021-01-23 14:10
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#51
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World Beard43
It's against the rules. I see you're a bit confused about this, hope this helps.
2021-01-23 14:14
4 replies
+1
2021-01-23 14:15
1.re-read the rules 2.even if true who car
2021-01-23 14:18
1 reply
the one who write the rules care
2021-01-23 16:08
#180
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Nepal sasukeee
+1
2021-01-24 06:55
+1
2021-01-23 16:11
#47
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World Beard43
Yeah Blast can pretty much go fuck themselves, I'm not watching their shit show again. I have no issue with Vitality here btw, I'm sure they made a stupid mistake but it's one they needed some form of penalty for to remind them, and others, not to do it.
2021-01-23 14:12
5 replies
The players are recorded and so are their comms if they cheated blast would have said something
2021-01-23 14:39
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#84
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World Beard43
Did I say they cheated? No I didn't, I literally speculated that they didn't cheat. There is video footage of Vitality with a stream on within eye shot and Blast haven't addressed it in any way. I have absolutely no reason to believe that they "...would have said something" when they haven't even hinted that they're looking into it despite the footage being widely shared. Blast are quite clearly a zero integrity organisation.
2021-01-23 15:02
3 replies
They didn’t do anything wrong though and if they did blast would punish them
2021-01-23 15:14
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#161
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World Beard43
2021-01-23 17:04
1 reply
Because everybody was flaming blast for a tv behind them 50 feet away through glass that is stupid that they had to pay
2021-01-23 18:25
So DISQUALIFY Liquid too they had the stream on their back too check 2nd half of nuke
2021-01-23 14:12
4 replies
that's the coach pov isnt it?
2021-01-23 14:19
1 reply
they have like2/3 screen one was coach pov and one of the two last was the stream we saw like 2 sec of replay on it
2021-01-23 14:48
That's the coach's POV. It's not the stream.
2021-01-23 14:33
I mean I was defending vitality but after reading this shit I’m done bro
2021-01-23 14:40
omg who gives a fuck
2021-01-23 14:13
Name checks out just shut up pls
2021-01-23 14:18
#59
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Russia AlexFrutis
stupid online era every can watch the stream from his phone or smt
2021-01-23 14:21
#60
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Austria Cheesle2
they probably weren't cheating with the monitor, but they should have been punished. Also the amount of people just walking around in Vitality's rooms is stupid, they could be doing anything on their phones and you wouldn't know.
2021-01-23 14:22
> RL > truth and good journalism pick one
2021-01-23 14:22
Can Americans stop crying FOR ONE GAME, jesus christ you guys are pathetic, always looking for excuses, take the 2-0 and move the fuck on, starting dramas for no reason.
2021-01-23 14:24
4 replies
It’s actually crazy that you blamed this on Americans you absolute retard I don’t think I have seen any Americans say they cheated the fact that you typed this without looking at the people who said it is really telling on how stupid of a human you are.
2021-01-23 14:42
3 replies
too long didnt read, also flag
2021-01-23 14:55
2 replies
and u prov his point gg
2021-01-23 16:19
1 reply
most people crying about it are americans, thats what it is
2021-01-23 17:32
#68
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Bosnia and Herzegovina Biske
Already made thread about this situation
2021-01-23 14:34
#74
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Korea ramza72
SO MANY FRENCH FLAG AND ZYWOO FANS WILL DENIED THIS THIS IS WHY HLTV USER TOXIC JUST READ YOUTUBE COMMENT BETTER THEY AGREE VITALITY CHEATING
2021-01-23 14:41
2 replies
Of course they will, what do you expect genius? Any fan would do the same for their team. You can expect as well salty NAVI/s1mple fans to shit on Vitality/ZywOo for having a new reason to do so.
2021-01-23 15:03
The only ones toxics are the S1mple fans with tehir ALL CAPS thread all year long about their favorite player being the GOAT and now trying to discredit Zywoo and his team.
2021-01-23 15:06
#75
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Finland sexygrill
Expected from filthy french rats
2021-01-23 14:41
#80
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India icle
expected from cheater shox and zywoo
2021-01-23 14:51
I seriously dislike Richard Lewis. But he has a point here. It's about setting the precedent and sending a message. If they don't take an action, they would be a joke. A rule had been broken. Regardless of whether it was deliberate, or whether it affected any team, the rules were broken. They need to be punished.
2021-01-23 14:51
So you cant watch rounds that already happened 5 minutes ago, because it somehow impacts game being played? Are you crazy?
2021-01-23 14:59
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#97
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Russia RogueDecay
nt silver
2021-01-23 15:22
10 replies
I may be not best, but im not silver. MG. People overreact here. Pro teams know about enemy economy anyway. They see enemy plays eco or forced and can anticipate what would they buy. 5 mins is like 3-4 rounds in the past. Pretty much useless info.
2021-01-23 15:30
9 replies
No, that's not the only thing. They will have knowledge of the setups they are trying, the defaults they are using, the patterns they are following, etc. Why do you think teams watch VODs if they already played against that team? Opponent's POV gives a lot of info about their teamplay. It's against rules for a reason.
2021-01-23 15:59
#128
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Switzerland noxer*
Yeah you very clearly are MG and you know jack shit about the game. 5 minutes delay allows you to see tedencies, positions usually played, etc.
2021-01-23 16:08
7 replies
They watch hundreds of demos to figure out enemies so they already know who plays what positions. Its not that there are thousands of possibilities either. You make round played 5 minutes ago way more important than it really is. Also past doesnt determine future. Just because they played these positions last round it doesnt mean they will play it again. Anyway, if that is against rules- give them a warning or smal fee. Disqualification is way too severe punishment for minor thing like that. It wasnt live and they werent watching it. Also BLAST has their audio feed so can determine if they ever used any of that info.
2021-01-23 16:54
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#163
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Switzerland noxer*
You are MG, your opinion is worthless, sorry
2021-01-23 17:33
5 replies
Thats what i thought, you are unable to participate in normal conversation, hence personal attacks. And funny thing is you are probably worse than i am anyway, so its waste of time to try to talk to you. So eot from me.
2021-01-23 17:44
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#169
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Switzerland noxer*
I just learned to use my time better on HLTV. When a user claims to be MG as some sort of pride thing thats when I know arguing with him its a lost cause
2021-01-23 17:47
3 replies
You called me silver, im just explaining im not. There is no pride in it. And statistically watch how many people have which rank. Its Gauss curve. Highest number pf people (about 10%) are Gold 3. So MG is better than average. And please tell me your rank, im really curious. Because from experience and what you wrote i assume you are silver or low gold. Also i dont even start that knowledge about game =/= skill in this game. Someone may be silver but with deep understanding of tactics, but i guess its too hard to comprehend for you. You take low significance factor (like round played 5 minutes ago) and build whore narration over it. At that level of play it doesnt even matter, because they already know most of it. Now you can go and use your time better. Hopefully learning.
2021-01-23 17:56
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#171
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Switzerland noxer*
See, that's exacly why I know you are dumb and your opinion worthless. I didnt call you silver. Also: "And statistically watch how many people have which rank. Its Gauss curve. Highest number pf people (about 10%) are Gold 3. So MG is better than average" Here is the pride talking, about fucking master guardian LOL. I was Global Elite in 2015. Haven't played since, nor I claim to know the game, but its pretty fucking obvious to anyone with a brain cell (not MG guys, obv) that a stream with a 5 mins delay helps
2021-01-23 18:13
1 reply
Yea it helps like knowing history helps, to not make the same mistakes. The rest is your exaggeration.
2021-01-23 18:19
richard lewis literally said "I'm sure it was an accident" "The act of stream sniping is using someone's live broadcast to gain information to sabotage the streamer." if you think that this was an accident then the zero tolerance policy esic have promised wouldn't concern this matter because it wpuld be, by definition, not a streamsnipe If after reviewing their comms and cameras they were found to be guilty of streamsniping then yes obviously they should be disqualified if no proofs of streamsniping were found they should be warned/fined not disqualified
2021-01-23 15:03
2 replies
i shoot u by accident is not illegal then? they broke the rule but discualify i think is too much maybe just money like 10k or somenthing
2021-01-23 16:22
You are confusing things. They might have not stream sniped at all, but the rule is that a team cant have access to stream of the game in the same room, but they did. Rules are rules, even if they never used it.
2021-01-23 16:22
#90
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United Kingdom scrayfever
+1
2021-01-23 15:12
+1
2021-01-23 15:16
tldw
2021-01-23 15:16
#95
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Sweden BOBAHHAX
Vitality should hang TV over the players' monitors so that TV do not get into the camera
2021-01-23 15:17
1 reply
Smart man.
2021-01-23 15:36
Ban Vitality and Zywoo Give top1 to s1mple
2021-01-23 15:23
#101
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Brazil ZerongBr
As I said in another thread, I don't care
2021-01-23 15:24
They have like 100 people in rooms aswell including that guy who looks like a budget dan bilzierian
2021-01-23 15:24
Stupid baiter, as always xD. (both of you)
2021-01-23 15:32
#109
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Canada MiLkBaGzz
I don't think they cheated. BUT they should be fined. Its against the rules so they should be punished not let off they hook because they are the second best team in the world. Disqualified? no way.
2021-01-23 15:43
Since its online and coach or staff can easily watch the stream or hltv match page, probably 90% of teams watch it. Let it go and implement a reliable system once the lan come back. Why not use it when everyone can use it. Its sad but its the reality
2021-01-23 15:51
thats how they are top 3 team in 2020, they r actually tier 2 team at lans
2021-01-23 15:51
retarded as fuck
2021-01-23 15:56
#129
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Switzerland noxer*
disqualify zywho and vitality, its the only fair thing to do ngl
2021-01-23 16:09
#130
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Lithuania ElephantX
+1, fuck yeah
2021-01-23 16:10
(as always) lmao
2021-01-23 16:14
easiest +1
2021-01-23 16:22
2021-01-23 16:23
vitality is over, zywoo will never win a major.
2021-01-23 16:24
what a joke punishment
2021-01-23 16:28
I don't think Vitality knowingly cheated but something must be done regardless. It all comes down to what BLAST opt to do and something tells me it is probably nothing. At least release a statement on the matter of nothing else.
2021-01-23 16:30
#165
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Nepal sasukeee
I agree with richard
2021-01-23 17:36
#166
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Netherlands atsook
agree , but imagine losing even with stream snipes AHAHAHAHHAAH
2021-01-23 17:39
2 replies
without stream snipes they lose their map pick. what a meme team
2021-01-23 17:45
1 reply
it was proved they didnt do anything wrong, nt murican
2021-01-23 18:16
#181
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India sid76820
vitality games bring in a lot of money as do other top tier teams. so blast wouldn't want to do it right
2021-01-24 07:11
I'm fine with them only being fined here. Blast have access to comms + camera footage of the room, and afaik were able to clear them of any wrongdoing. Punishment only needs to be symbolic, to show that some action will be taken even in the case of carelessness. I disagree with RL on this one tbh.
2021-01-25 00:31
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