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What does that mean?
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Covidiot?
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sry
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Yea, they are taking your freedom man, so why dont you just listen and get high, yeah fuck yea!
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Its temporary, they got (arguably) the finest weed in the world, their women are beautiful, and their country is AMAZING. Dutch people are pretty open-minded aswell.
He should rather go home by 21:00, smoke some of the best with his beautiful girl, cook something nice, make a little love, go to sleep and be SAFE then be all alarmed about his freedom. That shit really kills. He lives in one of the finest countrys in the world, if theres somewhere where the government care about their people's freedom, its netherlands.
If they've called a curfew, its because they just dont want people dying.
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You are Brazilian, but somehow you live in a fantasy world.
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I personally enjoy floating facedown in the canals in Amsterdam, unfortunately can't do that anymore.
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the fuck hahahahahaha????!
hahahahahahaa
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lol what
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i got that, it's a terrible analogy tho
So? Just ignore it and do what you want.
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Yeah so edgy to go out at night, oooooooo so much edge.
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Yeah, these insane people, now think the ones that wanna live like normal are insane, its INSANE!
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Its almost as edgy as pineapple on pizza.
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its deliciiious.
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So good advice. Do you also advocate drunk driving?
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No as that is far more dangerous, going outside is a fundemental human behaviour driving a car isnt.
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You apparently need things spelled out I guess.
What you are suggesting puts not only the OP in danger, but it also risk causing more spread of the virus ie. it puts people at risk for no good reason so exactly the same as saying drunk driving is fine.
Neither is in any way okay, but you seem unable to see the bigger picture.
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No I can see the bigger picture I see its even bigger then you infact, you dont see how these measures are not only not sustainable, not enforceable but furthermore do more damage than they prevent.
In the long run the economic damage caused will cost lives as you can track a pretty stable relationship between excess death and the health of the economy, this will most effect the vulnerable the exact class you think you are saving, when the economy has collapsed, the welfare system stop functioning, the NHS has even less money, when more and more are jobless, you enter a vicious cycle, this will cost a lot more lives over a longer period and it will cost these lives in all areas.
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Actually yes and partying costs money, you need drink, food and other such things, when you buy these it fuels the economy, it the same as going to restaurant, consuming funds the economy so does producing.
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Yeah, but it is not like people will never get to out. It is temporary and the quicker the infection numbers comes down, the faster things can back to normal so doing the smart thing not only save lives it also means everything opening up soon.
Just think of avoiding risks right now as an investment.
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No as avoiding them now causes debt, this debt will harm you in the long run.
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Damn you are really not getting it.
Keeping things closed down means getting back to normal quicker, keeping things open means lots of people to going and that it will be like that for much longer. Plus there is a risk of things getting so bad, that shutting down becomes unavoidable anyway.
You guys have made a mess of the Covid handling, the result is now you have lots of deaths, a hospital system that is overwhelmed and really harsh lock down rules set up to try and regain control. What will happen if the UK goes back to pretending Covid is not that much of an issue, then things are gonna get even worse.
You guys are doing as bad as the US.
Here we are doing much better, we have and also have had lots of shut down measures, but we have not had to been as strict as in the UK. With our lock downs working much better, then it means our economy is mostly fine. Our hospitals have never been near breaking point so while it is no picnic, it just shows that the investments in shut downs are worth it.
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"Keeping things closed down means getting back to normal quicker, keeping things open means lots of people to going and that it will be like that for much longer"
We did that it didnt, work you are again comparing different countries, the same strategy will not work in all nations.
"Plus there is a risk of things getting so bad, that shutting down becomes unavoidable anyway."
There are things you can do without completely destroying your economy.
"You guys have made a mess of the Covid handling, the result is now you have lots of deaths, a hospital system that is overwhelmed and really harsh lock down rules set up to try and regain control."
Well actually statistically it isnt, its at around the same capacity as it is every year at this time of year, the NHS keeps getting cut back so its always near capacity or often at or just above it during the flu season, what can I say the NHS is shit thanks to our governments.
"Here we are doing much better, we have and also have had lots of shut down measures, but we have not had to been as strict as in the UK. With our lock downs working much better, then it means our economy is mostly fine."
You live in a totally different country, smaller population less dense population smaller cities, you are not a major trade hub or travel hub, its not comparable, we have cities with more people in than your country, its not a comparison.
"it just shows that the investments in shut downs are worth it."
No study backs this up actually there is almost no correlation, we locked down longer than you and had it worse, there are places in the world that locked down for about 5-6 months and have a worse death rate than most of Europe, you are looking at this as one solution problem, its not and comparing a tiny nation like Denmark to a major trade hub with cities of greater population than your entire country is laughable.
If you cant see how stupid your comparison is I cant help you.
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What you and hswe_jk explained in your comments is so simple to understand and so easy to follow, but the negationists are always like: "you're sheep", "my freedom", "the economy", and other non-sense stuff. If they followed the rules their "freedom" and "economy" would be back a lot sooner.
Portugal has been doing that 21pm to 5 am shit since like november last year and look what it brought us. Overwhelming numbers (worst in the world atm) and now people can«'t go outside 24/7 (new measures) .
Stoping people from going outside for 8h now you have everyone going outside in the remaining time. So instead you get bigger groups and less time so people are in fact together more time wich equals more virus spreading.
This is a stupid unfounded method of controling people that simply does not work.
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It is of course not just about putting in a curfew, lots more needs doing. The curfew is just one thing, in general people just need to be smart and follow the guidelines. If people are stupid and they don't for what ever reason, the result is more sick and dead people and a need for stricter guidelines.
Here is how the UK is doing.
edition.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavi..
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Also we should actually lock people with covid somewhere controled. Cuz those are the only people capable of spreading the virus, and yet this ahs never been done here. People have the virus but can stay home. So what happens is after a few days without symtoms they start goin outside and spreading it.
It is my opinion the we should have a place to stay till we are definetly cleared of covid instead of locking up sane and healthy individuals for no reason
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No, what did you not understand?? Ridiculous totalitarian rules did not work??? We need even more ridiculous totalitarian rules, it will work now 100%
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Im in Poland right now, we have closed pretty much every restaurant, closed pretty much every "non essential shop", have a national mask mandate even outside and even if you are socially distancing and have like a 3rd lockdown right now, the government was trying to issue curfews but the backlash was too hard and they were found to violate our rights. Guess how our deaths per capita are looking? Some of the worst in the world, worse than countries that did no or very few restrictions.
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Yeah, Its idiotic. You close 90%, guess what happens in the 10%, everyone comes there and with bigger density of people there is a higher chance of infection. Like in this thread, do a curfew in the night? More people will be out at day, so the density increases in the area which as I said contributes to more cases.
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Yeah, and what scares me the most is the amount of people supporting it, you will see a poll somewhere you will see that most people(depends on a country though) support hard lockdowns and closing businesses which I could understand 10 months ago, when we didnt knew that much about the virus. But there are sensible measures that can be made that are actually proven to work, unfortunately we live in a dictatorship of democracy, where the stupid majority makes the decisions.
Two things.
When changes are made it takes time for them to show in the number of infected and even longer they have an impact in the number of people hospitalized, it is the same when opening up in that it also takes a bit of time before the effect can be seen.
Also you guys need to test a lot more, without lots of testing there is a lot of unknown.
As for locking up people, the trouble is that lots of people do not get sick from the virus so they are then just spreading it without knowing. Thus who do you lock up, if you "just" lock up those you know are infected then you need to test up a lot more to make sure you lock up all the infected.
One of our more recent moves has been, that anyone not working from home is asked to get tested once a week - and this without them having any symptoms or having had contact with anyone infected.
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Well we had the 8h night curfew since september last year and we are on the third week of a 24/7 vurfew for everyone except work or food shopping and as you can see that did nothing to stop the virus. I hear stories everyday of people with corona (tested and registered ofc) being found at shopings and on the street just casually spreading the virus. So imo the only way is to massive test and lock people away. EVerything else has been proved to have failed and i'm kinda fed up that after more than a year of this shit and me barelly seing my family and friends (yet never tested positive for covid while being tested 3 times) we will have harder rules aplied on us.
And if you think i have no empathy for people dieing of covid i can let you know two old family members have died of covid but you want to know where they got covid from? The freaking hospital, they went there with some other problem and a negative covid test then after a few days got covid and died within two weeks. So yeah covid sucks but curfews do nothing to stop the virus
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I am sorry for you loss.
In no way am I saying you don't have empathy or anything like that. I see an important difference in the views you have been posting and that UK guy, it is one thing having doubts if some measure works or not and whole different thing being against a measure because of freedom or so.
Here we have rules that says you are not allowed to meet up in a group of more than five, so this combined with all the other things means there is no partying during the day.
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Yet in here, despite the same rule, you are allowed to be running in a group and people have made literal backyard gyms. I guess the virus doesn't spread when you are
gasping for air.
My biggest problem with covid rules is they are made by people that don't live the same life a common people ( politicians in their own buble) so they make stupid rules and give even more stupid reasons for backing them yet at the same time allow stuff that makes the virus easily spread and say that its for the betterment of the economy.
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Sure sounds like there is some stupid exceptions in those rules, however I also think that those people not following common sense are at fault. It is like some people will take a rule, find a loophole and they claim it is fine since they are or in violation of said rule.
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Well no, but it may still be better than doing nothing.
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1 month? We had the longest lockdown.
It went from March to July.
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I actually followed that one.
The public followed the first one very strongly actually, or so most studies say.
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Clearly someone has not been doing as asked, either that or the rules set in place has not been good enough.
edition.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavi..
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Thats not correct.
Belgium.
Population 11,460,000
Deaths 20675
11.460,000/20675=554.29
UK
Population 66,650,000
Deaths 95981
66,650,000/95981=694.4
Per capita Belgium is worse.
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The CNN site says they are using numbers compiled by Johns Hopkins so I supposed their numbers are different. Or maybe they ignore small countries, however it is not like it is a competition. My point is really that your numbers are really bad, this is not changed by them being even worse elsewhere.
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Well yeah we are a worst case scenario, small country, densely populated, people travel all around the country to work, central trade and travel hub, we are a worst case scenario.
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Because I need to live.
I'm not a charity, I'm a person, I need certain things and I need money for those things.
How does going out past curfew make you anymore likely to get covid? Its not like covid has a higher infection rate at night. they didn't even say they weren't gonna wear a mask or be safe. You'd have a point if PaasWaas was talking about going to covid parties or some shit, but a curfew like this is just retarded.
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Don't be silly. How many people go out at night just to take a walk.
You go out at night to socialize and the later the time the more likely there is alcohol involved, so the risk of people forgetting how to stay safe is higher in the late hours.
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as someone who works til midnight. I mostly do my shopping at night, because its the only time I'm able.
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You think socialising is unimportant? This shows how little you know about human and social animals like humans.
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You do realise not socialising has a massive negative impact on the health of people.
apa.org/monitor/2019/05/ce-corner-isolat..
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depressed people die with or without covid.
We have better and more effective methods of stopping the spread but instead they lock us for 8h as if that would make a difference.
Portugal shows it doesnt it actually has the opposite effect and people find 1000 reasons to go out during the time its allowed so in the remaining hours you have bigger groups outside
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As if people won't meet each other anyway and most of the times in worse conditions like at airports with full flights, schools or shoppings etc. People meeting outside is actually less risky. Enforcing good mask usage and social distancing is 100x more effective than 8h curfew.
But what we actually should be doing or it should've been done bfore 2nd wave was have better hospitals and health care systems along with better and more thorough cleaning processes (covid infections in hospitals and nursing homes is through the roof and as always its the weak and old that die to covid) as well as stop spread and take better care of hospital staff (constant tests and extra protection measures)
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thats what i do
there is no one controlling to make sure those rules are met
so i also dont give a shit
the only ppl who do that are ppl who go out partying / fucking and spreading covid. you wear mask while dancing, drinking, shagging? no, that's why theres night time curfew))
(just in case anyone comes into this thread going "huehue covid sleeps during day and spreads in night only ofc xaxaxax")
we should have one here too, idk why we dont already
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Because people should have the right to go outside whenever they want, no one owns the outside, its a free place where everyone can go whenever they want unless they are in prison.
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Its clear to see you lack any literary skills, maybe you can try again some time.
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Thanks for further strengthening my theory.
Clearly some people are unable to care properly for them self, but what is much worse they are also egotistical idiots unable to see their actions impact others as well.
Therefore rules like a curfew comes into play, just be glad it is not to the level that idiots are put down.
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Someones a bit of an extremist, also most of these people can look after themselves hence they go out when they want.
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FFS
Covid19 is not just about looking out for one self. As has been clearly demonstrated by the numbers your guys are seeing, taking any advice on how to handle the situation from a UK person is not something one should do.
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And since they care so much about us they didn't advocate for the usage of masks till mid last year. Also forcing an 8h curfew during the time most people are at home sleeping doesn't have a huge impact of virus spread, and it forces people that mb only went out at night to go during the day so now you have alot more people spreading it during the day.
Yeah that should stop the virus for sure
true but we gotta live by these stupid ass rules
cuz we are in a country
a country that has laws
we are in someone elses land
thats why u pay taxes
u understand?
if u lived in amazonia, maybe no one could stop you :|
you must be very fun at parties
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You honestly think hes ever been to a party?
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i can confirm hes never been to one
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sorry to confirm otherwise, but i have been to more than enough. went out every night during freshers. I'm not the type to go out that often, only for celebrations or get togethers, but it's more than enough.
I am dying to leave the house like everyone else, trust me. It may not seem that way, but I really enjoy going out with friends and enjoying myself. Over summer I will admit I went out to clubs with friends, abiding by the rules ofc.
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and im not on the pro protest side.. never was :\
Good to see you're back on the pro-protest side tho and defending these people, i knew i wasn't wrong. Sucks when you go back on whatever you previously said because of your personal grudge against me. Guess I was being too hopeful believing in you.
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bro its a joke... dont take everything 100% as serious
obviously i didnt mean what i said about ur parties :p
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you can never know dude, amount of anti lockdown ppl here. how can i take anything relating to covid as a joke unless it's really obv
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i thought i was clear about my position, i never backed these protestors bashing the covid restrictions, i just made some jokes here and there to spark discussions
anyway, sorry if my sarcasm wasnt clear ^^
to make it even more clear, i never said covid was fake or like the flu or anything like that
the fun thing is that i tried to warn everyone in december/january 2019 that the virus in china was coming to eu and the rest of the world and i've been labeled "nutjob" or "conspiracy theorist" lmao
hahaha no but i wanted to be nice
i guess only retarded people go out lol
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No usually people with social skills, I guess these may seem retarded to you but these are actually the successful group within our species.
Its likely that no one actually wants to spend any time around you, thats a reflection of you not them.
I'm not willing to waste my youth, I'm not willing to waste my time as my government wont compensate me for either.
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as I said in #55 I enjoy going out. That isn't to say I should go out without a mask drinking and partying in a closed space, that's just fucking stupid lmao.
There's a big difference between having social skills, being able to talk + laugh to others while socially distanced and being downright idiotic by joining the chavs in a crowded place breathing on each other without repercussions. You can have fun without being drunk, if you can't that's actually your own lack of social skills. Don't project on me man.
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"That isn't to say I should go out without a mask drinking and partying in a closed space, that's just fucking stupid lmao."
Not really, it depends whos there.
"There's a big difference between having social skills, being able to talk + laugh to others while socially distanced and being downright idiotic by joining the chavs in a crowded place breathing on each other without repercussions. You can have fun without being drunk, if you can't that's actually your own lack of social skills. Don't project on me man."
So you make the assumption that anyone at a party is a chav, who said I got drunk or they all got drunk, some do, not all of them do, you just made multiple sweeping generalisations, that backs up my theory, you have no social skills.
I dont want to socially distance, I like real human contact, I mean ill give you an example, due to current issue I cant live with my partner, we were going to get a place but that went to shit, now under my governments rules I cant go and have sex with my girlfriend as she is at her parents house and I'm at mine and we dont fit the criteria for a bubble, this is far past any reasonable line.
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I've been in the city when it was summertime, and I can confirm that the majority of people in the bars without masks were indeed chavs who think north face jackets x adidas bottoms combo is the peak of fashion. I didn't say all of them were chavs, but most of them are clearly uneducated fucks, that's the long and short of it. Am I being classist? Definitely. Does that make me wrong though?
You "don't want" to socially distance. It's not a necessity to you though. You can still see your partner if you want to. Seriously, there is a huge difference between "wanting" and "needing", you can live and keep people around you safe by social distancing.
If you went to your gfs house and you had COVID-19, and you were the only person your gf and her parents met, and a week or so later one or both of them fell ill or died from COVID-19. Your girlfriend would only have herself and you to blame. What say you? Will you tell your girlfriend that having sex was more important than her parents life?
Use your brain and get some empathy for others, dude. Seriously.
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It certainly makes your point look prejudice.
"You "don't want" to socially distance. It's not a necessity to you though. You can still see your partner if you want to. Seriously, there is a huge difference between "wanting" and "needing", you can live and keep people around you safe by social distancing."
I can see her sure, but do you know what a relationship is? Theres something called intimacy, its one of the most important parts of a relationship, under current rules I cant be intimate with her.
"If you went to your gfs house and you had COVID-19, and you were the only person your gf and her parents met, and a week or so later one or both of them fell ill or died from COVID-19. Your girlfriend would only have herself and you to blame. What say you? Will you tell your girlfriend that having sex was more important than her parents life?"
This is statistically extremely unlikely, if you spend your entire life planning for the extreme you will never do anything so this isnt really a valid point, also her parents are in their early 40s, life itself is a risk, the fact is a life lived with the sole purpose of preventing death will never be enjoyed.
"Use your brain and get some empathy for others, dude. Seriously."
I do have empathy for others and thats why I understand that the damage from these measures will be worse long term than this virus, I feel terrible for all of the people who will end up jobless, homeless, in poverty, dead, ill or just have their lives, futures and presents ruined by these measures, its awful that the very people you think we are saving with these measures will feel the largest impact from the damage they cause.
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There are 2 different viewpoints here where we clash.
To make it clear, my stance is that a hard lockdown where everybody follows the rules in the short term would have worked from the beginning and would have been much better for the long term, for EVERYBODY. I can refer to New Zealand, Australia, Japan, Korea as examples. You have no examples because there is as of yet no data where your scenario has played out in a beneficial way.
Your stance is that lockdowns cause other issues, which I agree with in terms of soft lockdown, especially with how our government has dealt with it. For example in 2020 we still allowed people to fly in without quarantining. Now we are actually worse for it, not better, because of people complaining about freedoms and the economy.
Could you and I reach a mutual agreement that IF we had a proper hard lockdown back in March 2020 with proper measures and essentially militaristic enforcement in preventing people from spreading it, we would be in a much better position now? If we don't agree on this specific point then there is no point arguing further, we wouldn't be able to agree on the fundamentals.
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"To make it clear, my stance is that a hard lockdown where everybody follows the rules in the short term would have worked from the beginning and would have been much better for the long term, for EVERYBODY. I can refer to New Zealand, Australia, Japan, Korea as examples. You have no examples because there is as of yet no data where your scenario has played out in a beneficial way."
This cant work as you wont just eradicate the virus like that in a country like the UK, its not a one size fits all New Zealand, Australia, Japan and Korea are not the same as US, Australia doesnt have bad flu seasons, the climates arent the same, same for New zealand, they also arent densely populated, they dont see the same amount of people moving around the country for work as we do, its much the same for Korea and Japan, its not a one size fits all, to relate this to CS, you cant play Nuke like its Dust 2.
"Your stance is that lockdowns cause other issues, which I agree with in terms of soft lockdown, especially with how our government has dealt with it. For example in 2020 we still allowed people to fly in without quarantining. Now we are actually worse for it, not better, because of people complaining about freedoms and the economy."
No hard lockdowns are far worse in terms of their impacts, you are basically just moving death down the line.
"Could you and I reach a mutual agreement that IF we had a proper hard lockdown back in March 2020 with proper measures and essentially militaristic enforcement in preventing people from spreading it, we would be in a much better position now? If we don't agree on this specific point then there is no point arguing further, we wouldn't be able to agree on the fundamentals."
No as you wont eradicate it, as soon as you come out it will just snap right back again.
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"You are basically just moving death down the line"
Vaccines, hello? Purpose of lockdown is to give the NHS some breathing space and to delay spread til we have a vaccine for the people who need it? Unless your mindset is "we all die in the end" your point isn't making much sense.
You think it's more beneficial to the economy/society to overwhelm our health services with COVID-19 cases on top of what they already had to deal with?
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They dont have to die of Covid, the economic damage in the long run will mean more people dying of other things, it will mean more poverty, worse health care, more homelessness, more crime from poverty, it has a negative effect on everything.
"You think it's more beneficial to the economy/society to overwhelm our health services with COVID-19 cases on top of what they already had to deal with?"
Well who's fault is that? Who keeps making cut backs on the health services? The government does, why should we have to pay for their idiocy.
Its a cycle, you damage the economy to try and save the vulnerable, in turn you damage the very thing that supports them in the long term undermining your work.
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Your solution is to go out and spread Covid? All of what you just said isn't for certain. You're only focusing on the future and not what's happening right now, but we need a balance of both to make the right decisions. Literally what is the point of going out right now?
You can't just say "Our government is making mistakes/bad decisions, fuck them, we're going out and risking people's lives because i won't let BoJo tell me what to do" Maybe next election vote for someone else who will support the NHS properly.
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No, what is the point of going out? Your own health as staying indoors is actually bad for you mentally and physically, I also go out and spend time with my friends, so no there are points in going out, and the future is more important than the present, I also go and spend time with my partner so we cant be close to each other, not 2m apart by physically touching eachother.
"You can't just say "Our government is making mistakes/bad decisions, fuck them, we're going out and risking people's lives because i won't let BoJo tell me what to do" Maybe next election vote for someone else who will support the NHS properly."
Well I can as I didn't make the decision that put us in this position so I'm not willing to pay for it, I can vote for whoever I want if other people vote another way it wont make a single bit of difference, the fact is that what they are doing is not sustainable and in the end its going to effect the working class the most.
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When I say "going out" I mean "nights out / partying / etc". I didn't mean normal going outside, I walk my dog every day, I know that lmao.
When you say you're not "willing to pay for it", you realise it's not for you? It's for the vulnerable people in society to survive. If you don't value them over the people who may have to have a lower wage in future but still survive anyway, then ??? that is just where we disagree I guess.
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Ok well i go around my friends house, thats not legal, the point of going out? Enjoyment, you know the main reason to be alive, living life solely to prevent death is pointless, if the act of preventing death ruins life itself its pointless.
They wont just have a lower wage there are people who literally will be homeless, poverty will go through the roof, so will unemployment, crime will rise, quality of life will fall, the health care system will suffer more and this will impact the vulnerable, its not that I value them less, the very action you are taking will harm them the most in the long run, financial ruin causes deaths.
"When you say you're not "willing to pay for it", you realise it's not for you? It's for the vulnerable people in society to survive."
I'm not willing to pay for my governments short sightedness and idiocy, I pay taxes this means i help pay for health care and welfare.
I mean our government just got into trouble for spreading false information in an advert.
youtube.com/watch?v=Ycs7LU2z_lc&ab_chann..
I'm sorry but these people have no credibility, they are holding us hostage to a policy that aims for something we cannot attain and a policy that cannot sustained.
honestly how fucking dumb are you lmao, he's not fun at parties because he cares about covid?
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"not fun at parties" its an expression to say its someone who likes to break the mood
dont take it literally lol
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if he didnt understand fuck him
I thought it was kinda like to people who take shit too serious, the thing that is covid is pretty serious
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Covid is pretty serious depending on who you are.
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alot of people probably had it without knowing
hurr durr dont have fun because of covid
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Your life must be pretty sad, if going out and partying is the only way you can have fun.
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Or we value our individual liberties above all else as they have a massive value to us since we all nearly lost them not too long ago and we intend on keeping them and enjoying them when we see fit.
We also dont appreciate the damage these rules are doing.
This isnt a work camp, its a society and you have no right to tell people they must stay locked indoors and if its legally enforced its house arrest, you need a good reason for that, you need to prove they have done something, its innocent until proven guilty so you dont have covid until its proven you do.
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theres proof enough what covid does, youre just choosing to ignore it. Its called ignorance and british people struggle with this. The only damage that is being done right now, are people like you not listening and making sure this virus keeps circulating the world, the more it does, the more it adapts, the more it'll adapt to become more dangerous/spread faster. Look at your "UK variant", the only reason variants and shit exist is because YOU LET IT. You are denying something so fucking obvious, visit a hospital, talk to a nurse, go and see it for yourself. Stop using ignorance as your defense mechanism, its fucking lame.
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"theres proof enough what covid does, youre just choosing to ignore it."
No im not i just dont agree with the stance my government has taken.
"Its called ignorance and british people struggle with this."
This is actually a xenophobic comment and baseless, but ok, given Belgium has worse cases per million and more deaths per million than the UK I guess you are even more ignorant.
"The only damage that is being done right now, are people like you not listening and making sure this virus keeps circulating the world, the more it does, the more it adapts, the more it'll adapt to become more dangerous/spread faster."
No the current damage being done is too the economy and therefore by extension the system within our society like welfare and the healthcare system, things vulnerable people rely on.
"Look at your "UK variant", the only reason variants and shit exist is because YOU LET IT."
Not really, the fact is random mutations happen, it could happen anywhere happened to happen here, we dont even have the worse cases per capita in europe, guess what? Belgium is worse than the UK for deaths per capita and cases, so stfu mate.
"You are denying something so fucking obvious, visit a hospital, talk to a nurse, go and see it for yourself. Stop using ignorance as your defense mechanism, its fucking lame."
When did I deny it existed? I dont think I ever did, I live 1.1 miles away from Southampton general I've been in there recently, its not close to full, I know about 5 people who work there.
Let me hit you with a stat our government posted, they said every 30 seconds some is admitted to hospital with covid, this may sound bad but it actually isnt and let me show you why.
There are 86400 seconds in a day.
86400/30=2880
This mean 2880 people a day are being admitted to our hospitals according to our government with covid.
we have 1257 hospitals.
2880/1257=2.29
This means according to the government there are only 2.29 new admission a day per hospital from covid, every 10.48 hours or so.
itv.com/news/2021-01-17/covid-19-patient..
independent.co.uk/news/health/ambulance-..
telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/01/17/covid-pa..
They all posted this and didnt realise it debunks their own stance, also just to state it again Belgium has worse deaths per capita and worse cases per capita than the UK, you are infact the second worst in the world.
You're on whole nother level of sheep
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When did he say he never believed in it?
Sure its a problem, its not a problem worth damaging society over.
Let me put it this way, this virus is mostly killing the old and vulnerable, now the measures put in place are going to effect things like UC in the UK so welfare, the care industry will be impacted, the NHS will ne negatively impacted by the shrinking economy, who do you think will hurt the most? Its going to be the exact people you are trying to save with these measures as these measures harm the systems they rely on.
Then you take into account people being pushed into poverty and state reliance and then you go into a vicious spiral and on the other of that spiral are far more deaths than 94k, we are talking million over a period of years and many more will suffer.
So what you are is short sighted, you cant just rack up masses of debt and just hope it will go away it must be repaid and guess who will pay, the vulnerable mostly with their lives and the working class will pay with their wallets, kids will pay with their educations and childhoods, many people will be pushed closer poverty and therefore crime, it will ruin everything.
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Maybe if you had listened the first lockdown you had or listen in general, nobody would go bankrupt, your hospitals wouldnt be overflowing & your economy wouldnt of taken such a bad hit. & the more youre gonna not listen to rules, the longer its gonna keep going. Continue not listening and ruin your country even more. Gonna be funny seeing the UK join the Union back cause you guys cant take care of yourselves.
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You do realise we had something like a 95% obedience to the first lockdown.
You say this, yet per capita your country is worse than mine.
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No this was to show you have worse rates of covid than us.
It was stated by either Hancock or Boris on one of their announcement streams.
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I have not in any way said that this wasnt true... What is your fucking point???
"yeah people in my country suck ass too, atleast I dont defend that type of behaviour like an ignorant cunt."
Stop tryna argue cause youre not even arguing what you started with. Consider this conversation over.
edit: ah yes believe them, that makes you the sheep dumbass. Believing politicians over scientists who actually understand what a virus is/does.
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This wasnt about the virus, this was about public obedience, they held some polls and this is what was stated and based on how after the first lockdown the cases basically evaporated its clear it was followed, the issue is it did massive economic damage.
If you look at some articles back from about Febuary to August we were actually one of the most pro lockdowns nations in Europe, this was shown on many polls.
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No you have no clue, its laughable how stupid you really are, this was never a conversation this was you spouting nonsense and me trying to stop you drooling everywhere.
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You have no evidence for either claim.
You havent posted 1 article to back up anything.
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Put on your muzzle while you type, sheepie
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You mean face nappy.
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Yes but there is something very important to humans and thats reading facial expressions, we cant see those properly with half your face covered.
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Actually they are as they are a very important part of communication, do some research.
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No they do, facial expression are a major part of our communication, this a known fact.
helpguide.org/articles/relationships-com..
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Depends on the overall impact of the measures and societal impact.
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Actually its not, you really are thick.
If the economy actually collapsed causing society to go along with it you dont even want to know what would happen, you know what ghettos are like? Massive crimes rates it would be that, but everywhere, more and more people would be homeless, unemployment would be at an extreme high, and excess death from poor health would go through the roof.
The fact is the average of death from covid is 82, these people are not really a large active part of the economy so the damage from death because of covid to the economy is actually rather low.
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its kinda of a blessing in desguise to the economy cuz those people are only receiving gov funds and don't comtribute shit.
Now i don't advocate we kill old people bcuz of that, but its easier to lock up a % of the population wich is more vunerable to the virus than it is to shut down the whole country.
Who told you that the virus doesnt exist or whatever typical shit you guys say, Bolosenaro or some guy on twitter. ShEeP
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Can't hear you through that face diaper, say it again?
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whole bunch of soy in this one
why do you want ot go outside in night?
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take a walk? visit a friend? idk there can be alot of reasons
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who goes visit a friend at 2 am wtf
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21pm is not 2am.
But still i have friends that work night shift so do those people only matter when its time to work and fund the economy?
Its a fact there is alot less people inb the streets at night A FACT so its not actually productive to lock people in when there are less people in the streets and spread of the virus is less likely
let say 11pm friend calls you and he wans to hangout with you that is 1 reason
Because you can.
I got home from a nice walk just over an hour ago, maybe 0230am, it was nice because there was no sun and it's down to 32°c right now which is refreshing because it's going to be hot AF today.
Funny thing though, we don't have a curfew and I still didn't see a single person on my walk, zero risk of infection. So if we actually did have a curfew the only risk of infection would have been if the police stopped to fine me which they certainly would have if that rule was in place.
Anyway, more to the point, why not go outside at night?
Obey your owners.
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noone owns me
look at my edge!!
hahaha
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Claim your religion, race, sex, gender and all other identities is time lord and say its mid day.
non sense.
Het aangelijnd uitlaten van de hond. Dit moet je dan wel alleen doen.
Mensen die dak- of thuisloos zijn en geen gebruik willen maken van de maatschappelijke opvang.
Bij rampspoed, ofwel dringende omstandigheden zoals bevallingen of ongelukken, evenals ernstige omstandigheden in de familiesfeer.
Mensen die vanuit het buitenland naar Nederland zijn gereisd en kunnen aantonen dat ze vanwege die reis 's avonds nog onderweg zijn.
Opsporingsambtenaren, brandweer- en ambulancemedewerkers hoeven geen verklaring te hebben.
Bij internationaal goederenvervoer volgens Europese afspraken is een verklaring ook niet nodig.
even the homeless people can chill outside, see #2 and just be outside and if they ask u u say ye im walkin my imaginary dog that just shit on ur shoes.
coronga is more dangerous at night ,researches have shown
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Yeah man, it waits in a bush with a crossbow just waiting for you to walk past.
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yes, this is why i always carry a shield
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ubereats werkverklaring B-)
they did the same here. but it doesn't work much haha. ppl go outside with their dogs, ppl go for a run. people pretend they need to go working. all this laws are retarded just a demonstration of power.
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Good, its nice to see people making their own choices.
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Arent you tired of this bullshit yet?
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thats the thing lmao, everyone is tired of it and more ppl get infected.
lowiq society
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name doesn't check out
we cant go out between 8pm and 5am (?) since a month or two
only if you have special documents or you're walking your dog close to your home
Suck it up. It is merely a question of months and then things will go back to normal. The people that fail to follow the rules are unfortunately not only costing lives, they are also causing the whole thing to require things like curfew. So don't listen to those people.
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"It is merely a question of months and then things will go back to normal. "
ive heard this so many times in the past year its not even funny
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I do not know who here has been saying that, no one here has made that claim apart from maybe back in February or so. Science rules here, not politicians afraid of telling bad news.
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i've heard this claim every 2 months for the past 12 months,
just 2 more months of lockdown and everything will be back to normal, the vaccine is gonna fix everything, now boom we have unknowns new virus strains more deadly and more contagious and noone knows if the vaccine will be enough and we are back to scratch
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I did not state it was 2 months. The term months merely means not something you start counting in years, so it could be 6 months or 4 months or...
My prediction is that the combination of vaccinations, measure to limit the spread and spring time with people being more outside will have a good chance of us getting closer to normal. Then with even more vaccines, the number of people infect staying low and summer arriving we hopefully will get close to normal.
Do I expect it being a summer of music festivals and big spectator sporting events, not at first but maybe come August/September.
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your prediction could make sense if the vaccine works against all the new strains popping up, im not a doctor but im pretty sure the virologists said its too early to say if the vaccine will work
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Lots of unknowns that is for sure, plus making predictions is also ignoring that it is one thing what we can do in the resourceful countries of the World another is what about the rest of the World.
From what I hear so far, the strains found are all so close to the original that the vaccines should still work. Another question though is how long will the vaccines work, it could be that those vaccinated now needs re-vaccinations in the summer in order to keep up a high enough level of people immune. Also not sure is if people that are vaccinated can still get the virus and spread it, as in it may mean they just can not get sick.
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"Also not sure is if people that are vaccinated can still get the virus and spread it"
i remember reading that some of these vaccines dont prevent u to still catch and spread but just lower the chance of dying if u catch it
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Not a doctor, but I am pretty sure what they mean is the vaccine will stop aprox. 95% getting sick from the virus.
There is btw. vaccines in the pipeline that are just one shot ones and also able to be stored in normal fridges, those will be lots easier to distribute and use. Imagine you can go to the normal pharmacy or doctor and get a shot, just like a flu shot.
All in all I hope things are back to normal soon.
Personally I have not lost anyone, so many others are much more hurt by the pandemic. Also work wise my situation is the pandemic has me more working more hours than ever, so I am not impacted economically - the opposite actually as more hours = more pay and there is less time to use money.
who the fak cares about a coronneh
krass
My region got downgrade to "red zone" start on monday...
this shit all over again, i can't stand this anymore
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me neither
its fucking stupid, and im tired of these rules and these rulers
fucking morons
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in fact, in this casa i blame more stupid selfish people traveling on new year's eve and christmas, big parties and barbecues.
I knew this going to happen everyone should or know, but don't care.. thats the price of living among idiots.
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expected from holland dictatorship
Enjoy "freedom" and "democracy".
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you go outside after 10pm you kill grandma instantly, hltv confirmed
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This seems really hard to enforce. This rule seems unconstitutional and I wont bother taking this seriously.
government decisions throughout the whole corona thingy are so fucking retarded
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what u would do?
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true, hltv users never leave their homes
too busy playing cs and fap fap
Interesting, so your strain is particularly virulent at night. Here in Australia it can only spread in small businesses so any large chain or franchise can stay open for normal trade.
The first strain we had actually spread in doctors and specialist clinics and through surgeries, but not at hairdressers. So if you needed your brain tumour removed, that had to wait, but you could get your head shaved at a hairdresser in anticipation of booking a new surgery date when things reopened.
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Damn that does sound bad, sorry to hear that.
We had a similar one last year but managed to eradicate it by sitting down while eating and drinking, it turned out standing up is what really made it spread after all.
That discovery was an incredible relief because it enabled us to have a beer at a bar or a meal out knowing we weren't going to spread the virus provided we didn't eat or drink anything until seated.
yea because eating inside a restaurant face to face with somebody else is not contagious right?
what are u trying to say here? i see people breaking rules anyway
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i agree some measures they've taken are absolutely hilarious but it doesnt matter because people dont give a f*** and do what they want anwyay
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ez
play cs
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But its breaking of human rights lol, same wearing stupid masks why you listen to this shit?
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21.00 to 08.00 in Turkey
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My town got that restriction for a while until they realised it changed nothing.
yea same here but its very soon 20:00.
anyway i will go for a walk and smoke a jay, no one cares about the rule in my village and when i go out after 20:00 its literally a ghost village, no one looks out thee window and im always the only person outside lol
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Actually im outside around 1am if we drink with friends so not true no1 is out after 11pm lel
Corona is just a joke, dont wear masks you looks like dogs in it if you not a medic ofc. Its not even possible to not allow people walk out, its breaking of human rights lol
coronavirus in 2021 lol
