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Vitality deserved more punishment
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Turkey RumpLe73 
So ESIC basically said ""After assessing the VOD and player camera footage, ESIC found no evidence of the players being given information from the stream or that they gained an advantage in their matches due to the rulebreaking." Totally bullshit. Whoever watch the stream for Vitality side can tell calls or strats with hiding the real source. He can say "lets do 3b this round" and this call can come from stream analyze. Totally biased fine. Even in school life there is many ways to hide your cheating tool. Also they are not low tier shit team, they DEFINITELY knew that watching stream is forbidden. They intentionally did this. Why a team would open match stream while playing? To gain advantage with seeing strats or positions. Even without telling anything, they can make sure some things and they can play with confidence. They should've been disqualified
2021-01-23 17:48
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That Dust2 choke was their punishment.
2021-01-23 17:49
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lol
2021-01-23 18:19
Delusional s2mple fan
2021-01-23 17:51
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Give me argument or talk with logic or get the f outta here. I don't wanna waste my time with a kid who has no life and only thing he can do is hating s1mple and trying to get attention.
2021-01-23 17:55
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Im a s1mple fan, but there is a difference between someone cheering for the guy and someone being so blind that he will argue with a very reasonable verdict against a team he hates, cause a guy who took 1st place plays there.
2021-01-23 17:58
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I am not a die hard s1mple fan. tbh i don't care both s1mple and Zywoo. in 2019, for me device deserved more than s1mple, in 2020 s1mple deserved more than Zywoo. Even hltv articles kinda said it. s1mple lost #1 because of RMR's. It doesn't matter i am not caring hltv lists that much but the point is you are coming to my thread. You saw a opinion with a logical point. You can say opposite arguments, you can say your opinion, you can come from different perspective but you said "Delusional s2mple fan"
2021-01-23 18:01
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Yeah, because this is my opinion
2021-01-23 18:15
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Your opinion isn't about this thread, this topic or anything. You just said meaningless random thing.
2021-01-23 18:19
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Yes, and?
2021-01-23 18:21
#42
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United States loveai
You are a crying kid that has no idea what’s going on in the game. Basically every team watches the stream. Also these are pros, they don’t need to watch stream to figure out what potential strategy the other team can have. If you rely on last round’s stream to determine next round play then you more likely get loss during speculation. Learn. Kid
2021-01-23 18:56
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"Basically every team watches the stream. " well watching stream is forbidden so you don't have correct argument. "Also these are pros, they don’t need to watch stream to figure out what potential strategy the other team can have." the other team has this aswell, how you can win? Having a better strategy and individual skill, this argument is so flat and wrong aswell. "If you rely on last round’s stream to determine next round play then you more likely get loss during speculation." They are not all rely on this but they can gain advantage from this. You basically understand wrong and gave wrong answer aswell. Learn. Kid
2021-01-23 19:00
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Netherlands TyStackz
You already wasted your time when you started begging.
2021-01-23 18:03
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I gave my point with this thread. As you can see there is no opposite argument came. Only hate or nonsense comments. I can argue about this topic and we can come a conclusion.
2021-01-23 18:07
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Netherlands TyStackz
Very totalitarian point of view you have.
2021-01-23 18:08
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I respect your opinion.
2021-01-23 18:13
The first map against astralis is plenty of karma though
2021-01-23 18:02
#7
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Netherlands TyStackz
0/8, also reported for slander.
2021-01-23 18:02
most retarded thread of 2021 so far congrats
2021-01-23 18:03
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#10
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Netherlands TyStackz
+1.
2021-01-23 18:03
Give your opposite opinion or argument. All things i've said can happen. They can gain many different advantages. They can play with confidence first of all.
2021-01-23 18:06
+1
2021-01-23 18:09
+1
2021-01-23 18:10
+1
2021-01-23 18:57
+1
2021-01-23 19:03
Here's a thought for you: If Vitality were intending to use the stream for cheating (i.e. with malicious intent), would they put the stream behind all the cameras (and the players themselves!!) where it can clearly be seen when MIBR had already been busted in similar circumstances, or would they put the stream in front of the players (i.e. on a wall-mounted monitor above their PCs) where the cameras they know are being recorded can't see? You admitted yourself that they knew that watching the stream was forbidden: so why would they play it on a big screen where their players can't easily access it, on a large screen so the player cameras can see it?
2021-01-23 18:07
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It is one of the logical points yes but there is a 3rd point; What you're saying is can be true yes, I assume they are not stupid. But every angle is recording if i am not mistaken. So basically if you want to cheat or watch the stream, you have to open the stream in game room. Probably going somewhere is also suspicious. "If Vitality were intending to use the stream for cheating (i.e. with malicious intent), would they put the stream behind all the cameras " but they fined 10k. This is same with cheating also.
2021-01-23 18:13
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There isn't really a counter-argument here. I don't think all angles are recorded, as you can't see any cameras at the back of the Vitality room which would record the other way. It's more obvious that a screen-facing camera isn't necessary in cameras such as Xyp9x's, where the wall behind him is obviously bare, so I think you're mistaken in your assumption. Your last point goes against the very quote from the ESIC which you yourself gave. They administered the 10k fine when they believed no malicious intent (cheating) was at foot. This implies that either: (a) the fines for rule-breaking (without malicious intent) and cheating are the same, or, (b) the fine had they found malicious intent behind this would be greater than 10k, or there would be an additional punishment (such as a ban).
2021-01-23 18:22
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I think launders or spunj(idr which one) said there is strict camera rules. Which if you are bootcamping, every angle must be seen and if you are alone you are not allowed to go somewhere too long. In every computer you have to have many programmes(which allows Blast to control the players). Also blast wanted to record every player's screens but idk it happened or not. About your last paragraph; I get it but it is sensitive situation. You cannot accuse completely if the team didn't give up many clues and proofs behind them. And what i'm saying is, any team can benefit from stream without giving a proof or clue. Maybe disqualification would be too much because we don't have proof but this can be abused.
2021-01-23 18:30
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I don't see cameras pointing the other direction like you're saying is in the rules in all the camera angles that have been shown on stream. You'll have to give me a direct quote for me to believe you on that. I think my point about Xyp9x still stands: stopping him from going somewhere doesn't stop him from putting his phone next to his monitor on the stream, in a position where his camera doesn't capture it. He is the most obvious example where there is no camera behind him that would capture such a device. "In every computer..." - this part is irrelevant as I never said that the stream was running on the players' computers. I agree that proving malicious intent in such circumstances is generally difficult. I also agree that any team can benefit without giving an obvious proof: we saw this with the coach bug abuse. However, since the evidence of the stream usage here is particularly obvious (it's literally a giant screen in the background), it would suggest that its use is non-malicious, as there is no attempt to mask the behavior. It also suggests that it is a managerial employment, as the players would have put it in a less obvious spot that was more readily available for themselves (i.e. in front of them). Ultimately, I think the judgment and resultant action by ESIC was fair given these circumstances, as a harsher or lesser punishment would imply they knew more information about the case (and its effects) than they possibly could. I have to go do life stuff now, so have a nice day!
2021-01-23 19:00
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Thanks for your giving opinions with respect, have a nice day too!
2021-01-23 19:04
#41
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France Manitex
+1
2021-01-23 18:51
#16
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Canada Minami
Nobody cares about your opinion on the matter
2021-01-23 18:10
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Then pass this thread. I don't care your opinion either. HLTV forums does work for opinions. This is funny actually you need to stop using hltv forums then.
2021-01-23 18:31
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#39
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Canada Minami
Already told you nobody cares about you opinion, but you still think you have to share it... don't care!!
2021-01-23 18:48
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So get out kid are you stupid? This is a forum. Before entering a forum, learn how it works.
2021-01-23 19:02
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#52
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Canada Minami
And still!!!
2021-01-23 19:03
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You keep saying nonsense "nobody cares about your opinion" stuff but you are writing my comments every time :D You are not doing what you are saying. If you are not interested in this topic or thread, pass it.
2021-01-23 19:05
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#59
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Canada Minami
What should I care about your opinion?
2021-01-23 19:33
+1 All of their players and Organization should be banned for life from participating in eSports events. Pathetic cheaters ruining our beautiful game.
2021-01-23 18:10
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#20
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United Kingdom Multiplism
That is harsh as hell, and if NaVi was doing this would they get a ban? Or will ESIC have to pay them for having s1mple on the team?
2021-01-23 18:11
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NaVi never have and will never do anything disgraceful like this. Infact NaVi are the biggest victims of these cheating teams and coaches.
2021-01-23 18:14
are you still mad for zywoo getting #1?
2021-01-23 18:13
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#43
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France insaneliar
I think he wants to see s1mple top 1 so bad that he prefers having zywoo banned rather than s1mple besting him to the top 1 race
2021-01-23 18:56
Analyzing strats. Bruh after like one round you already know wtf their strat is if you base it off of previous games and demo watching.
2021-01-23 18:12
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Imagine you are t and you executed B but you lost the round without killing anybody. You cannot know how A players react to this execute or you cannot know what utilites they have. You can guess economic situation they have. Demo watching is a thing but enemy team can come with "different" stats or positions. 1 or 2 months ago xantares said in his stream "we had OG game and we changed our positions, I played in pit on inferno and OG wasn't expecting this and they screwed. We didn't changed after this and enemy teams knew how we play so we had hard times" Basically this is an important thing.
2021-01-23 18:18
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Okay? That won't help shit cause you never know how many people are going to rotate in any round. Also fairly sure it's outside of the glass sound proof wall. And people like you who talk about these things should always ask yourself why would x do y. If they wanted to cheat why would they show that they had the stream.. they could have it on xtqzzz computer or something and no one would ever know.
2021-01-23 18:22
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Blast is checking every computer. Also they want many cameras for seeing every angle of the room. Idk which Blast air-talent said but one of them said thta Blast has strict rules about this. You know last Blast tournament drama. Last tournament, Blast wanted self recording, many cameras as well and many 3rd party software which works for Blast.
2021-01-23 18:36
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They can literally have the stream playing in the basement and blast will never know.
2021-01-23 18:49
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Some member from Vitality stuff can watch the stream from other room but can't talk because Blast also listens and recording teamspeak.
2021-01-23 19:01
#50
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United States loveai
Yes he is delusional.
2021-01-23 19:02
I dont think any of the teams should be fined for, but its crazy to compare the old mibr fine thread and these ones, lmao. Totally different ways of approaching it
2021-01-23 18:13
Many teams already cheated with streamsniping to this day, but tbh I don't think it would make a difference anyway CS is all about momentum.
2021-01-23 18:15
ESIC had access to comms, player cams and all, they could assess whether there was actually an assist coming in from outside This was just some guy watching the game from the couch lol + the games weren't even close
2021-01-23 19:00
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also dev1ce or any player could just have the stream on another monitor, at least with vita you know the players or coach aren't watching the stream
2021-01-23 19:01
#53
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France Nairelav
They have acces to every cams + have access to the whole coms, like if they would see something suspicious they would give more than just a fine lol
2021-01-23 19:04
#57
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India xEleanorex
It's reasonable stop parroting Richard Lewis
2021-01-23 19:06
ofc. Someone from staff can kick their IGL's ass using left foot, when Astralis going B and using right foot when it's A, for example. WHILE S1MPLE PLAYED AGAINST CIS COACH - BUG ABUSERS, VITALITY CHEATING BY THEMSELVES. HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE?
2021-01-23 19:14
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They can tell which site they are going by watching 4 mins 30 seconds delayed stream? 0iq
2021-01-23 19:34
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ok, but they can check tactics and economics
2021-01-23 20:03
1 reply
yes
2021-01-23 20:21
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