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Buff the M4A1-S
United Kingdom TheWizardofUh27898 
No on uses it, its far too weak.
2021-01-24 08:23
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2021-01-24 08:23
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Russia pvcure13
It’s great as is
2021-01-24 08:24
21 replies
How? Slower fire rate meaning it kills slower and it has less ammo, if you test its accuracy is also not that much better.
2021-01-24 08:25
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Russia pvcure13
It’s cheap
2021-01-24 08:26
14 replies
Cool, its also shit even for its cost.
2021-01-24 08:27
13 replies
its okay for its price, no need to buff its also good for long range fights or lurk plays
2021-01-24 10:58
11 replies
Ok but you are not thinking of a vital flaw, its usable in certain scenarios, well the A4 is usable in all scenarios and you can have both equipped so you take the A1 you are limiting yourself.
2021-01-24 11:00
10 replies
yeah, that's why it costs 200 less
2021-01-24 11:49
9 replies
But you cant have both in your buy menu at the same time.
2021-01-24 11:51
8 replies
yes, it forces you to use the aug for those scenarios, which creates an appropriate trade off
2021-01-24 11:58
7 replies
No it doesnt as it the AUG actually replaces the A1 as its more accurate when scoped and at long ranged you can afford to scope, the A4 is better in 90% of scenarios than the A1 and the AUG does the A1s only real strength better and the aA1 actually isnt all that much more accurate than the A4.
2021-01-24 12:00
6 replies
the aug is not worse than the m4 in spraydowns though, it's pretty much a direct upgrade. the point is that if you need to anchor a position you can buy the aug, if you want extra util you can buy the a1s. this is by design for cts that want more options than the a4.
2021-01-24 12:17
5 replies
The AUG fires slower, its 600rpm the A4 is 666rpm. The A1 is too weak to be an option, pros agree with me.
2021-01-24 12:19
4 replies
aug does 25 to chest, so zero chance of 92 in 4. a4 is actually a 5 shot kill to the chest, aug is 4 and can do it from a longer range. given that more players will start to main aug(see astralis) i expect the a1s to get used more, i mean simple was already using it around the end of last year
2021-01-24 12:31
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Meanwhile his usage of the A1 is lower than the A4, the AUG also costs more and is less accurate when not scoped, it also has a lower fire rate. hltv.org/stats/players/weapon/7998/s1mpl..
2021-01-24 12:33
2 replies
3 months is too long of a range, he switched in like november. switch it to one month and it's clearer aug costs more but definitely worth it, they buffed unscoped accuracy, i explained above why guaranteed 4 shot kills and the scope make it better for holding positions even though it has lower fire rate
2021-01-24 12:42
1 reply
+1 galil>a1s
2021-01-24 15:39
Not everyone is global elite, m4a1-s is better for silver ranks for easier tapping.
2021-01-24 13:19
#128
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India Bobbobob
4 shot at medium range if you use it right, preaim at stomach level for 4 shot kill or hs for crouch peek
2021-01-24 14:04
3 replies
You should be aiming for the head hence most good riflers have over a 50% headshot percentage, you want to kill as fast as possible, aiming for the chest vs good players will get you killed.
2021-01-24 14:37
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#134
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India Bobbobob
but if youre preaiming for the head its the same time to kill as the a4 all im saying is if you learn to spray so that the 4 shot kill is optimum you can sub it for the a4 also even if youre 3500 faceit elo youre not spraying at head level youre going for body shots
2021-01-25 09:40
1 reply
The 4 shot is never optimum, the 2 shot is. No, most people spray for the head for atleast the first 4-7 shots.
2021-01-25 09:41
remove the a1s, tired of retards dropping me this shit gun when I ask for a drop
2021-01-24 08:25
17 replies
Or just give it 30 rounds like it should have and either make it even more accurate so it makes a real difference or make its fire rate higher than the AK's but lower than the A4's.
2021-01-24 08:26
3 replies
so current aug firerate?
2021-01-24 08:51
2 replies
The aug fire rate is 600 just like the AK, the A4 is 666rpm.
2021-01-24 08:53
1 reply
oh i thought aug was 633 sorry
2021-01-24 09:04
+1 no point having 2 primary rifles in CT it's not budget yet it's also much worse than m4a4
2021-01-24 08:27
12 replies
Also lets say its budget you cant have both selected at once so its pointless, so do the logical thing, buff it, id rather remove the A4 as its not a gun that exists the M4A4 is a WW2 tank not a rifle, the M4A1 exists the M4A4 doesnt.
2021-01-24 08:29
11 replies
AHHAHAHAAH WTF
2021-01-24 11:36
3kliksphillip video incoming hehehhe
2021-01-24 11:41
9 replies
Lol, I got into an argument with him the other day, he blocked me, he kept lying and saying I said something I didnt.
2021-01-24 11:41
8 replies
Interesting, btw where did he block you from exactly ?
2021-01-24 11:44
7 replies
Youtube.
2021-01-24 11:45
6 replies
proof or didnt happen.
2021-01-24 12:05
5 replies
How do you want me to prove it?
2021-01-24 12:06
4 replies
screenshots, a link, or any other way you can prove it
2021-01-24 12:07
3 replies
Well he said this. gyazo.com/f3567915d3d2fe92d9dcdefebfb96f.. He claimed I made a video saying covid doesnt exist, i didnt, i made one showing how a stat my government posted made no sense.
2021-01-24 12:10
2 replies
but thats kliksphillip, 3kliksphillip's brother
2021-01-24 12:15
1 reply
They are the same person.
2021-01-24 12:16
#10
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Georgia Megobari
Valve just should do one M4 for CT's xd
2021-01-24 08:32
They might buff it soon. I lost 150€ back in the day when they nerfed it. Right now I have 110€ m4a1 printstream, hope its going stonks. I am using a1 in long range maps, its a good laser gun. Since I dont tryhard faceit anymore, its fun to play with a1.
2021-01-24 08:34
1 reply
Should've gone for ST FN for more stonks
2021-01-24 09:08
please no
2021-01-24 08:34
#16
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Canada firtlast
make it a 78 damage headshot with regular m4 damage and fire rate! that would be interesting!
2021-01-24 09:06
#18
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Jordan Zereeni
also theres no need to choose either the a1 or the a4 ct economy is so shit, just put both of them
2021-01-24 09:09
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#49
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Other M@GNU5
CT economy so shiet
2021-01-24 11:51
Definently for just holding a site and playing straight up gunfights it sucks, but for some spots where there are def smokes it's not bad for spamming through it. Also it just helps for flanks. Usually you would get like 1 kill with an m4 out of a few people long range not looking at you but with the a1 you'll prob get two assuming you got the crispy aim.
2021-01-24 09:13
L2p
2021-01-24 09:13
#21
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Israel GrandpaZ
Its good for train, sometimes overpass, but thats about it.....rest of the time i just rather have the 4a4 or if i really need a long range rifle i just get the aug. The economy issue is a thing though, i rescued few rounds coz i could buy it instead of semi buy/eco, so idk.
2021-01-24 09:22
I agree. I played with M4A1-S for 2.5 years from 2016 to 2019 (with 20/40 bullets and 3100 price LOL) and when I started to train seriously and started playing FFA DM very often I felt like M4A1-S is bullshit and M4A4 is much more useful
2021-01-24 09:27
1 reply
Also I felt the same feelings about 800x600 resolution. It's bullshit. And I started to play 1024x768
2021-01-24 09:28
#24
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Norway apx-
I use it and will never stop <3
2021-01-24 09:28
#25
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Slovakia ypsylonnn
Ive been using it and i feel like its more accurate than a4, esp. long range
2021-01-24 10:28
I have it equipped but barely ever use it. Most often I go for aug/mp9/deagle/xm. It’s cheaper so I can drop to teammates and still buy myself an mp9 (with which I perform pretty well)
2021-01-24 10:34
4 replies
booml4
2021-01-24 11:27
2 replies
There are many players that do this. Mp9 is underrated as hell
2021-01-24 11:38
1 reply
I don't watch cs as much, just the occasional T1 games
2021-01-24 16:16
Sanji is that you?
2021-01-24 13:21
I use it because Cheaper: can buy an extra flash Recoil is ez because i'm noob It's great in long range for 2 taps You can spam smokes
2021-01-24 11:01
Agreed :)
2021-01-24 11:25
Valve here, No
2021-01-24 11:31
I dont know about you guys but the accuracy for me is just like awp or scout. Maybe suitable for those kind who uses awp or regularly flicking.
2021-01-24 11:33
35 replies
Its actually not that much better when you test it, ill show you, ill show you in a video as then I cant really fake it. youtube.com/watch?v=_Gbor6ZkRkI&ab_chann..
2021-01-24 11:39
34 replies
Errr maybe you can unprivate the video first. . .
2021-01-24 11:41
33 replies
Sorry clicked the wrong thing.
2021-01-24 11:42
32 replies
Wait what? He said it's negligible. It doesn't really makes a difference. meaning it's not worth considering the differences right? So m4a1-s > m4a4 right?
2021-01-24 11:55
31 replies
I mean in terms of accuracy m4a1-s = m4a4 but considering if we look into the prices of both & other aspects m4a1-s > m4a4 but m4a4 has its own advantages as well. Preferences coming first i guess.
2021-01-24 12:00
No, the difference between them in accuracy is negligible. The A4 has more ammo and a faster fire rate meaning it will kill faster and can kill more before you have to reload. That was me in the video.
2021-01-24 12:01
29 replies
#54 but you do noticed most of the pro players who regularly awping as their role by nature will lean on m4a4-s right? I dont know why & how to describe it but must have something to do with your particular skills that make that rifle more comfortable than the other.
2021-01-24 12:05
28 replies
No, most pros are using the M4A4. And if you are an awper you arent going to play the same as you do with an awp with a rifle, so that makes no sense. Their is a meta for a reason, its based around the most effective weapons at the time, the A1 isnt in it.
2021-01-24 12:06
26 replies
Not that the one I'm watching. S1mple using it. Acor using it. Woxic using it. Chrisj also using it. There are more but i couldnt barely remember. Edited: and theyre still using it even now.
2021-01-24 12:07
25 replies
Woxic is awful right now. ChrisJ is awful and has just been dropped by mouz. Acor has used the M4A4 more than the M4A1S look at his weapon usage. S1mple has also used the M4A4 more than the M4A1S look at his weapon usage.
2021-01-24 12:17
24 replies
I'm not talking about the percentages or who's awful & who's not it's not what we're discussing about I'm talking about why dont they stick to it if it's superior to the other right? And particularly players who is known for using awp. Forget about the old buff it's years ago. Talking about currently some of the pro players are still using it during official matches recently. Does this has to do with the matches for them to switch on a particular map? We might have solve something here.
2021-01-24 12:22
23 replies
No. Last 6 months 17.39% of kill are with the A4. Last 6 months the A1 isnt even on the list. hltv.org/stats?startDate=2020-07-24&endD..
2021-01-24 12:25
22 replies
I'm 100% sure s1mple using one in the first match against liquid. Even if they dropped him that gun why dont they dropped him an m4a4? Considering there's only 1 player who used it every often.
2021-01-24 12:26
You get my point or not? You're too relying on statistics right now which I'm not even talking about that. Of all the 5 players in the line up s1mple is the one using m4a1-s.
2021-01-24 12:28
20 replies
But stats show weapon usage, the A1 isnt not used because its not good enough.
2021-01-24 12:29
19 replies
Jesus okay2 if that's what you stand for have it your way. It's still back to preferences. Any goddamn players can use any rifle that suits them. Statistically maybe it's proven lacking some of the aspects but still there are pro players who is known for the awper role are sticking on using it instead of the other. Just watch some of the players i mentioned to you in blast global. You'll see what i mean.
2021-01-24 12:34
18 replies
hltv.org/stats?startDate=2020-12-24&endD.. These are the stats for the last months, its not even on the list. hltv.org/stats?event=5206 Heres the blast event, its not even on the list.
2021-01-24 12:35
17 replies
You dont get my point. No point on discussing just ignore it. Just follow the books if it suits you. Whatever it's in your mind. Have a good day!
2021-01-24 12:37
16 replies
I get your point you said. "It's still back to preferences." No one is showing the preference because the weapons is too bad if it was level and just as good then its down to preference, in this case its not as people who want to use it there was a video recent ill link it at the bottom where they asked pros and about 2-3 said they wanted to use the A1S but its not good enough. youtube.com/watch?v=XjoBybpgdpA&ab_chann..
2021-01-24 12:39
15 replies
THAT'S NOT MY POINT GOSH I'm stating it even the statistics proved so that it's lackluster than the other it comes down down to the preferences of each individual. What my point is why theyre still players who are KNOWN for using AWP are still sticking to m4a1-s? You dont believe me? Watch s1mple's match today. Even if the rifle isnt his or being dropped by his teammates then why the hell the rest of the team are using m4a4 & he's using m4a1-s? He can always use the m4a4 if it's better, according to statistics, than m4a1-s. Edited: switched the rifle on the last sentence.
2021-01-24 12:45
14 replies
So you think oh theres this one player so its preference, no otherwise these other players who also want to use it but wont because its bad dont, I'd rather use it, but its too shit. Do you know why else he might be using it? Hes an awper, its cheaper, more money for awps in the long run, the gun is not good enough hence its low use.
2021-01-24 12:45
13 replies
THAT'S MY GODDAMN POINT IN #54 #57 & #76. I never argued about it being better than another in vice versa you can read back. I never deny those statistics that you gave & even the first thing i said it's like awp & scout for me (as i dont know what everyone else is feeling about it) is more accurate than the m4a4. You should read.properly back because i never intended to win the argument. It's a discussion for chrisj sake.
2021-01-24 12:50
12 replies
But you are saying makes no sense, using it makes no sense, its actually just a bad choice, its actually just playing the game wrong as its a bad weapon. I dont even get why continued to post then, it needs a buff its really that simple, its nothing to do with preference. Its like buying the R8 over the a Deagle, bad choice.
2021-01-24 12:53
11 replies
If it making no sense why pro players are still using it my god that's what we're discussing & my whole point right now. Just watch blast global you'll see theyre players are using it. I'm not saying that hltv statistics you clipped for me is wrong but im 100% sure theyre players using it because i did watch every goddamn match.
2021-01-24 12:55
10 replies
Hardly any are thats the point. "Just watch blast global you'll see theyre players are using it." "I'm not saying that hltv statistics you clipped for me is wrong but im 100% sure theyre players using it because i did watch every goddamn match." Cool and these players are playing with an inferior rifle, even someone like f0rest who used it for years and was one of the few pros doesnt use it anymore, and hasnt really for around a year or so. Its needs a buff. They arent using it. hltv.org/stats?event=5206 This is the exact event you are referencing and its not even on the list.
2021-01-24 12:59
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But you came out with "Last 6 months 17.39% of kill are with the A4. Last 6 months the A1 isnt even on the list." "These are the stats for the last months, its not even on the list." "Heres the blast event, its not even on the list." If its not in the list then what did i watch son? Some hybrid kind of rifle that's not m4a1-s? What's your point exactly cause i certainly think we're not aligning right now.
2021-01-24 13:02
8 replies
So you saw it used once or twice and that it, its good as it is? Meanwhile the Famas is more used than it.
2021-01-24 13:09
7 replies
4 m4a4 & famas equals to 1 m4a1-s? They only have it when they cant afford awp no? OF COURSE STATISTICALLY NOT COMPARABLE SINCE THE ONLY PLAYER WHO USED IT IS USUALLY USING AWP! You know what. I'm going just to ignore this. Its just too hard for me to get the point in your head so as it is we can agree & disagree. Here's a clip youtu.be/wFpQXfHlBto 8:32 I dont want to argue anything & you can have your trophy. Edited: I read back your comment and my god... You still dont understand my point & what we've been discussing this whole time. . . Who said it's good than the other. . .
2021-01-24 13:15
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Ok hes used it once, that doesnt mean anything, the stats show it very clearly and most pros agree so the clear consensus is its not good enough, you dont even really have a point. You dont have anything too argue, youve essentially said, ive seen an awper use it, thats it, thats not an argument.
2021-01-24 13:15
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I read back your comment and my god... You still dont understand my point & what we've been discussing this whole time. . . Who said it's good than the other. . . Well whatever suits you mate have a nice day.
2021-01-24 13:16
4 replies
Your point doesnt make any sense. It has nothing to do with maps, it has nothing to do with preference the gun is worse, meaning playing it actually putting yourself at a disadvantage.
2021-01-24 13:18
3 replies
Because you didnt even understand my point. Well have a nice day ahead.
2021-01-24 13:18
2 replies
No it makes no sense.
2021-01-24 13:19
1 reply
Becaue youre too focus on something else that it makes no sense. Adios
2021-01-24 13:20
Let me deconstruct your argument for you. "but you do noticed most of the pro players who regularly awping as their role by nature will lean on m4a4-s right?" This is not correct, you see this in the stats, look at awpers most are using the A4. "Does this has to do with the matches for them to switch on a particular map? We might have solve something here." This is also not the case, there is no map where you see more A1-S than A4 usage so this makes no sense. Your entire argument is incoherent. reply to #120 No, what you are saying doesnt make sense youve made claims that are wrong, youve then stated youve seen players using it, by players you mean 1. Awpers are not leaning on the A1s. hltv.org/stats/players/weapon/7592/devic.. hltv.org/stats/players/weapon/11893/zywo.. hltv.org/stats/players/weapon/18053/brok.. hltv.org/stats/players/weapon/2023/falle.. hltv.org/stats/players/weapon/7167/kenny.. hltv.org/stats/players/weapon/7998/s1mpl..
2021-01-24 13:27
Ah, shit, here we go again >>silent, no tracer, can spam smokes >>2900$ cost, basically +1 nade >>it being slightly slower makes it more precise for bursts/taps It's already great
2021-01-24 11:42
11 replies
No its shit
2021-01-24 12:17
1 reply
What exactly You are not being argumentative (expectedly)
2021-01-24 12:17
No its not, its also hardly more precise i uploaded a video in this thread to show this, the slower fire rate is only a downfall, its being cheaper doesnt matter its still too expensive for how bad it is.
2021-01-24 12:17
8 replies
3kliksphilip made a video about it back before vital updates (magazine/reserve going to 25/75, cost reduced) a1-s has few advantages over a4, which can be better utilized with particular playstyle and shooting style. Plus be a better choice on per-map basis. I'd be only happier if it was buffed even further as i only use a1-s, but just saying - it's already good.
2021-01-24 12:27
7 replies
He knows nothing about CS, hes clueless. You shouldnt take anything on CS he says seriously.
2021-01-24 12:29
6 replies
That's, uh, pretty convincing, coming from a guy who just tries to be a loud voice on cs forum.
2021-01-24 12:32
5 replies
Tell me what does he know about CS? Does he know more than pros who all says its not viable and then support that by not using it? youtube.com/watch?v=XjoBybpgdpA&ab_chann.. Heres a video where some pros agree with me.
2021-01-24 12:39
4 replies
He's going off by statistics and that doesn't mean he's wrong lmao
2021-01-24 12:59
3 replies
You want some stats? hltv.org/stats?startDate=2020-12-24&endD.. M4A1s isnt on the list. hltv.org/stats?startDate=2020-10-24&endD.. M4A1s isnt on the list. hltv.org/stats?startDate=2020-07-24&endD.. M4A1s isnt on the list. hltv.org/stats?startDate=2020-01-24&endD.. M4A1s isnt on the list.
2021-01-24 13:03
2 replies
I can't find m4a4 either (?)
2021-01-24 13:05
1 reply
Its listed as the M4A1, the M4A1-S is listed as the M4A1_silencer. hltv.org/stats?startDate=2015-01-01&endD.. Thats back from when the S was the most used, you can see the M4A1 in that list.
2021-01-24 13:09
yes pls
2021-01-24 11:42
Bring back the old a1s with 20/40 bullets and make it 3300$
2021-01-24 11:43
2 replies
That would make it too powerful. You can't just add something so OP to competitive tactical game
2021-01-24 12:37
3200 +1 pls
2021-01-24 12:47
nah
2021-01-24 11:51
#51
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Australia B_Tannen
I use a1-s. Very good IMO, so cheap which is amazing for CT economy and very accurate,
2021-01-24 11:58
i tryed so hard to play with it, but tbh it is shit asf compared to m4a4, so low fire rate, less bullets, just because of the fucking 200$? no more. It still usable on long range maps like d2, overpass. but when you'r about to secure a rush like in banana, B site d2, and close range, it is shit asf you need to hit all the shots or you'll get fucked
2021-01-24 12:03
1 reply
+ i was using it since the update that make it cost 2900$, and m4a4 is much better. like i said it's not worth, you may change to M4A4 on close range maps or when you feel shit with it. i did it for a while but now i will kept just the M4A4, when you has no money just go with Famas still a good rifle. *testimony from a spraymen
2021-01-24 12:10
#61
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Netherlands Y0r1ck
I do
2021-01-24 12:06
1 reply
+1
2021-01-24 12:10
I like the sound and feel of the m4a4 but I agree that a small buff might be needed to the silenced variant
2021-01-24 12:11
yes i miss old m4a1-s 2015 it was a better meta than augs
2021-01-24 12:37
CT would abuse defensive positions pre-firing. That's why it has low ammo.
2021-01-24 13:08
For me is good now
2021-01-24 13:25
Yes please
2021-01-24 13:28
i prefer m4a1-s over m4a4
2021-01-24 13:29
#126
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Czech Republic Poloolpp
just give back its og fire rate and ammo, 666 and 20/40
2021-01-24 13:41
#127
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Russia Jmishenko
i use, if u have good aim, this accurate and cheap gun could be overpower
2021-01-24 14:03
#130
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India firejet69
Its great for tapping those who have been tagged. It works best in long range. Not an ideal weapon for short or medium range. Once during casual mode I took out 7 players in d2 with the a1-s and I was the last remaining CT in a-short.
2021-01-24 15:07
the solution is to add it on the buy menu WITH the a4, so u could buy both, and keep all the stats and the prize of them the same. That way a lot more people would use it when u need that extra flash or molo or whatever
2021-01-24 15:06
its good try it
2021-01-25 09:46
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