Didn’t read but navi>everyone else
true, electronic has 70ping most of the time and playing vs 5ping :(
Vitality is clearly not as avantaged by online as you say
Factors that hurt Vitality in online:
When- Nivera is underperforming, they lose the map, that's why they lost BLAST.
Holy crap that’s a long read, i fully agree though, vitality won’t be able to fully utilise their 6 man roster on lan because of tournament rules so it’ll be intersting to see how they perform
I agree partially but I don't think it's as big of an indication of how they will perform on LAN as you think. People like to point to "well they got good online, so obviously the only reason for their success is that they were playing online!" which isn't necessarily true. Vitality have elevated their game itself, and aren't just benefited by being online, and the gameplay itself does carry over to LAN play at least to some extent.
I think Vitality have done a good job with optimizing their play to be as successful as possible in online play, but I don't think it's the only reason for their success. They simply got better as well. They might have a slight dip when we eventually hit LAN, but not enough to put them out of the top 5, at least not in my opinion.
For a comparison, ask yourself: will Heroic, FURIA and BIG go back to being tier 2-3 teams once we get back to regular LAN play? Probably not, their players have genuine skill and they're not just having an online advantage, they genuinely innovated in their playstyle and found a setup that works well versus tier 1 teams. That's not just online advantage, as I said, that experience carries over to LAN play as well.
True but it will depend on how well teams adapt, NaVi were always better on LAN so I dont expect them to perform worse once lans are back but it doesnt mean that Vitality wont adapt to LAN after some time, after all they already play together in the same room next to each other, only things are missing is crowd and lan experience. S1mple adapted really fast to Lans and I expect Zywoo to do the same considering their Skill
"*not used to playing onlinr matches*" because vitality are?
This whole thread is bullshit
Navi has taken the biggest hit due to the players' location. Connection isn't really stable in Russia while playing CS, so they have had many struggles, and they might still have those problems.
*They are not that popular internationally so they won't have a massive fan presence at events unless it's an event in France, no home crowd for them to draw energy from*
This is bullshit btw. You seem to forget about ESL One Cologne 2019. The crowd was going wild for them.
"0 distractions in their playing environment" yep ok
s1mple vs vitality on lan 1,08
simple vs vitality online 1,27
zywoo vs navi on lan 1,29
zywoo vs navi online 1,27
s1mple, Flamie, and Perfecto play from Ukraine, and it's something around 30-40 ping on Jerman servers. Still not that good, but at least not 70 like elec or boombl4. And still when quarantine rules allow, their bootcamp is in Kyiv. But now as I know it's not so easy for Russians to fly to Ukraine, probably that's the reason why they didn't have bootcamp on Blast
+1 good detailed post, and i agree with you, tht misutaa and nivera has no LAN experience and shox is suddenly god mode in online cs
if this was lan:
massive gap between 2 and 3
3. vitality/liquid (sadly)
vitality really benefited from the online environment since they brought in inexperienced players who wouldnt perform well under the pressure at lans and they would probably be at the mercy of zywoo carrying again if it was lan. cheatroic are tier 2 on lan and big with this lineup is unproven on lan, tho they looked promising at dh lepizberg