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Astralis vs Vitality vs NaVi (on LAN)
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Finland TuureBoelius 
Astralis, Vitality, and NaVi are the undisputed top 3 teams at the moment, and they are the three best teams of the online era. Which one of them do you think has been hit the hardest by cs being online-only and which one has benefitted from online play ? I personally think that online has punished NaVi and Astralis but helped Vitality. I could see Vitality exiting the top 3/top 5 and another team rising to replace them at the top with Astralis and NaVi when LANs come back. Here's why I think so: Factors that benefit Vitality in online: *They play all matches from bootcamp *0 distractions in their playing environment *They are allowed to have their owner and manager in the playing area with them *They are allowed to have a TV behind them *Nivera and misutaaa are inexperienced on LAN *The core of Vitality is used to playing online matches cos Vitality had to grind online qualifiers in 2018-2019 when they had to prove themselves to tournament organisers to get invites *shox seems to play better online for some reason *6-man roster can be awkward on LAN and Vitality are the ones who use the 6-man tactic the most *They are not that popular internationally so they won't have a massive fan presence at events unless it's an event in France, no home crowd for them to draw energy from *Relatively low ping due to location + the speed of French internet connections *They have a performance team behind them making sure that they don't burn out due to playing too much Factors that hurt Vitality in online: N/A Factors that benefit Astralis in online: *Low ping due to Danish internet being good and Denmark's relatively central location *They sometimes play from bootcamp Factors that hurt Astralis in online: *They are popular internationally so they will always have fans in a crowd that will boost their performance *They usually don't have all 5 players playing from the same location *They get burned out cos they play too much (as was proven with Xyp9x and gla1ve being force to take breaks) *Lot's of things to be distracted by when they play from home (dog, gf etc) *Not used to playing online matches *No support staff to help them with anything when they play from home Factors that benefit NaVi in online: N/A Factors that hurt NaVi in online: *They don't play from bootcamp *High ping due to Russian internet + playing on EU servers despite being in Russia *They are popular internationally so they will always have fans in a crowd that will boost their performance *Lots of things to be distracted by cos they play from home *No support staff to help them with anything cos they play from home *They are not used to online play, NaVi didn't play any (!) online maps in 2019
2021-01-27 13:31
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#1
Russia Water_Bottle
Didn’t read but navi>everyone else
2021-01-27 13:33
8 replies
#13
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Finland TuureBoelius
NaVi have to win a little bit more than 1 event per year for that statement to be true.
2021-01-27 14:03
3 replies
#14
Russia Water_Bottle
Tournaments don’t matter, how a team plays matter. I fall asleep when I watch astralis play, nothing happens because they play by the book. In navi games you will see at least one crazy moment in a match and their individual skill is better than astralis
2021-01-27 14:10
2 replies
#27
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Italy kyoor
entertaining =/ good
2021-01-27 17:49
#39
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Switzerland MRKNUSPER
0 iq comment, expected by russki
2021-01-28 11:32
#36
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Finland TuureBoelius
VITALITY JUST HAD EVERYTHING TAKEN AWAY FROM THEM BY VALVE KKKKKKKKKKKKK
2021-01-28 11:29
3 replies
#37
Russia Water_Bottle
What are you talking about ?
2021-01-28 11:30
2 replies
#38
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Finland TuureBoelius
In tandem with their ruling on coaches attendance at Majors, Valve has determined that no one besides participating players will be allowed in the room where the team is playing or on the server during online RMR matches. The rule applies to both coaches and support staff, who will not even be allowed to communicate with the team during matches.
2021-01-28 11:31
1 reply
#40
Russia Water_Bottle
Yeah I read that, not like it had any effect when like 20 people were behind vitality when they were playing. Coach on the other hand is interesting
2021-01-28 11:33
#2
Russia LYFZ
ok
2021-01-27 13:37
#3
electronic | 
Lithuania henry69420
true, electronic has 70ping most of the time and playing vs 5ping :(
2021-01-27 13:39
#4
NAF | 
France Kurin
Vitality is clearly not as avantaged by online as you say
2021-01-27 13:40
#5
swazt1ka | 
African Union NotZazir
Factors that hurt Vitality in online: When- Nivera is underperforming, they lose the map, that's why they lost BLAST.
2021-01-27 13:40
8 replies
#12
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Norway N3sHie1k
imagine thinking that if one player is underperforming it means they lost because of him
2021-01-27 13:58
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#15
swazt1ka | 
African Union NotZazir
just check blast then, everymap they lost was with nivera underperforming :=)
2021-01-27 16:16
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#18
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Norway N3sHie1k
even if one player is underperforming, the team can still win.
2021-01-27 17:23
3 replies
#32
swazt1ka | 
African Union NotZazir
not when the player is the one that is supposed to shine, its like when electronic play badly, NaVi lose. That's the same with vitality and shox/misutaa/nivera.
2021-01-27 22:03
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#33
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Norway N3sHie1k
lol, elec was heavily underperforming on blast, wdym? and they still managed to win
2021-01-27 22:05
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#34
swazt1ka | 
African Union NotZazir
because the other player of navi were over performing at this time, boomb4 and flamie never do high score like this usually
2021-01-27 23:11
#44
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Serbia LtN))
they lost blast cuz no streamsniping anymore
2021-01-28 12:17
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#45
swazt1ka | 
African Union NotZazir
they didn't get any advantage from "streamsniping".
2021-01-28 12:30
#6
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Australia Kuunto
Holy crap that’s a long read, i fully agree though, vitality won’t be able to fully utilise their 6 man roster on lan because of tournament rules so it’ll be intersting to see how they perform
2021-01-27 13:41
2 replies
#16
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Finland TuureBoelius
Majors do not allow 6 players.
2021-01-27 17:19
1 reply
#21
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Slovakia hassenux
Yeah, that's what he said m8.
2021-01-27 17:27
#7
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Sweden quacke
I agree partially but I don't think it's as big of an indication of how they will perform on LAN as you think. People like to point to "well they got good online, so obviously the only reason for their success is that they were playing online!" which isn't necessarily true. Vitality have elevated their game itself, and aren't just benefited by being online, and the gameplay itself does carry over to LAN play at least to some extent. I think Vitality have done a good job with optimizing their play to be as successful as possible in online play, but I don't think it's the only reason for their success. They simply got better as well. They might have a slight dip when we eventually hit LAN, but not enough to put them out of the top 5, at least not in my opinion. For a comparison, ask yourself: will Heroic, FURIA and BIG go back to being tier 2-3 teams once we get back to regular LAN play? Probably not, their players have genuine skill and they're not just having an online advantage, they genuinely innovated in their playstyle and found a setup that works well versus tier 1 teams. That's not just online advantage, as I said, that experience carries over to LAN play as well.
2021-01-27 13:45
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#22
gla1ve | 
Denmark flapdur
+1
2021-01-27 17:30
#8
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United Kingdom DJ_Nr8
True but it will depend on how well teams adapt, NaVi were always better on LAN so I dont expect them to perform worse once lans are back but it doesnt mean that Vitality wont adapt to LAN after some time, after all they already play together in the same room next to each other, only things are missing is crowd and lan experience. S1mple adapted really fast to Lans and I expect Zywoo to do the same considering their Skill
2021-01-27 13:45
#9
misutaaa | 
Ireland Vitality_Fan
"*not used to playing onlinr matches*" because vitality are? This whole thread is bullshit
2021-01-27 13:49
2 replies
#10
dycha | 
Poland Roxin
still mad sfter semi-final?
2021-01-27 13:51
1 reply
#11
misutaaa | 
Ireland Vitality_Fan
I was never mad about any match,i dont care enough
2021-01-27 13:53
#17
Turkey Hector3149
Navi has taken the biggest hit due to the players' location. Connection isn't really stable in Russia while playing CS, so they have had many struggles, and they might still have those problems.
2021-01-27 17:22
#20
Turkey Hector3149
*They are not that popular internationally so they won't have a massive fan presence at events unless it's an event in France, no home crowd for them to draw energy from* This is bullshit btw. You seem to forget about ESL One Cologne 2019. The crowd was going wild for them.
2021-01-27 17:27
1 reply
#31
EliGE | 
United States DELUSIONAL_EliGE_FAN
that’s bc they were up against liquid. obviously an eu crowd isn’t going to root for an american team even if they weren’t a hometown team ofc liquid trashed vitality, and it was an even more brutal clapping at chicago with the american crowd
2021-01-27 18:30
#23
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Canada i_car_about_i_car
"0 distractions in their playing environment" yep ok
2021-01-27 17:33
#24
saju | 
Poland pajalockk
s1mple vs vitality on lan 1,08 simple vs vitality online 1,27 zywoo vs navi on lan 1,29 zywoo vs navi online 1,27 simple onliner
2021-01-27 17:35
#25
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Finland who_asked
s1mple, Flamie, and Perfecto play from Ukraine, and it's something around 30-40 ping on Jerman servers. Still not that good, but at least not 70 like elec or boombl4. And still when quarantine rules allow, their bootcamp is in Kyiv. But now as I know it's not so easy for Russians to fly to Ukraine, probably that's the reason why they didn't have bootcamp on Blast
2021-01-27 17:40
2 replies
#28
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Finland TuureBoelius
dont the russian players live in moscow too so they get higher ping than say from st petersburg ?
2021-01-27 18:19
#30
EliGE | 
United States DELUSIONAL_EliGE_FAN
the fact that electronic is a top 5-7 player even with his ping is impressive
2021-01-27 18:29
#26
electronic | 
Europe Darklord1998
+1 good detailed post, and i agree with you, tht misutaa and nivera has no LAN experience and shox is suddenly god mode in online cs
2021-01-27 17:46
#29
EliGE | 
United States DELUSIONAL_EliGE_FAN
+1 agreed if this was lan: 1. astralis 2. navi massive gap between 2 and 3 3. vitality/liquid (sadly) vitality really benefited from the online environment since they brought in inexperienced players who wouldnt perform well under the pressure at lans and they would probably be at the mercy of zywoo carrying again if it was lan. cheatroic are tier 2 on lan and big with this lineup is unproven on lan, tho they looked promising at dh lepizberg
2021-01-27 18:28
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