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Elige is entrying
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?????????????????????????????????
stew is running in AND THEN EliGE is killing them / trading
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If stewie is only running why not hire Usain Bolt
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cant argue with that
how long it take to come up with that one
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instantaneous
6.9 seconds
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LOL ok then, hahahah
+1 xaxaxaxaxa
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No Elige is running in first and Stewie is baiting. He only entries on eco's so he can get some easy kills.
0/8
elige is second entry, stewie creates a ton of space which makes him probably the best entry in NA. and one of the best, even though he doesnt always get kills when he entrys, he has the ability to get a double entry and just win the round before the other team has a chance, or even if he dies he creates a ton of space and makes trades easy
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next excuse after stewie is igl his frags no needed
Stewie getting entry frags.. Not just that.. Double entries
If that was happening with Liquid, this thread wouldn't have existed.
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... nt learn to read. Creation of space.
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Yeah very underrated trait. Silvers won’t get it bro
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im silver bro :((
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Mens((
Mmens((
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serious question - what do people mean when they say the entry fragger "creates space"?
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When you say an entry fragger creates space it means he disturbs the CTs setup, he makes them play unconfortable positions where they are vulnerable to his teammates and/or forces them to fall back.
He gives crucial info and tries to create a situation where his team can succeed.
Entry fraggers are expected to die frequently without a kill but it doesnt mean they dont contribute to the round.
Space is more important than frags in some situations.
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Thanks man - very helpful. I hadn't thought of it that way.
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np mens))
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dont agree, stewie is pretty good at doing just that
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I just see him dying. If you think he creates space ok, but he constantly dies and it doesnt matter how much space you create if you are constantly in a 4v5, its just that fallen became IGL for Liquid and therefore the other teams dont know what strats they'll come up with, once they realize everything, we shall see if stewie has the impact you are saying. But for now, its just fallen's strats working out well while stewie dying every round.
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once the other teams realise and adapt they'll try to bring new things and adapt too, that's how the game goes
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go watch overpass against navi yesterday and look at the double entries or his ability to create spaces by being quick. He is able to maneuver quickly and stay alive long enough to push ct back. Hes prob the best entry fragger in NA
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lol i didnt know how to phrase what I was trying to say but his aim and reactions are quick, and he takes very tradeable fights.
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say that to the player with 6th highest earnings in csgo only behind astrallis. Not to mention when he has joined teams they have become one of the best teams and when he leaves they fall apart. All of that isnt a coincidence
because he is entry fragger
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he's actually a really good entry fragger
Anyone with a persona would be hated by hltv users
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+1 this is perfect description of hltv
+1 9/10th of HLTV is completely brainless
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Steven?
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Grim=Minecraft Steve
Checkmate dumbass
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hltv.org/nemiga
He'll be good for a while yet. Just keep your eyes on Brehze or jks if those projects break up
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Maybe Ethan???
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Ah you're right about that for sure
Ethan is the same as Stewie. High skill ceiling but extremely inconsistent.
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except stewie even though he has low ratings even when he dies he creates space as an entry fragger. He plays a different style of entry frag that doesnt get very many kills but is super helpful. He could swap roles with grim and be a super star
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+1 for the inconsistencies
In terms of skill ceiling I feel that Ethan has a higher ceiling. But I don't really think Ethan would be a solution if changes needed to be made... I only mentioned Ethan because a lot of people seem to forget about him since Brehze is there and is arguably better in every way.
He is a funny guy
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FR. Liquid literally started winning only after they added Stewie lmao
bUt kiLlS brO, hE doESnT fRAg MenS
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xD Sense of humour 8/8
Without Valens help and Tarik's IGL and Stewie's (IGL who learned from slemmy and other IGLs) then they wouldn't have won. The fast plays of Cloud9 were incredible but it doesn't make stewie any better. It was autimatic/skadoodle and tarik getting the shit. If FaZe didn't choke then they wouldn't have won the major.
He did well on Liquid but close games against Astralis and they weren't dominating the whole year also remember that they have adreN and TACO was on a downhill the time they replaced him.
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stewie carried c9 1v5 2016-2018 before he changed roles. hes one of the only reasons auti/tarik joined
why u trying so badly to downlplay what he did, constant string of 2nd places before he joined and then tl won everything for like 5 months before they took a break, name 1 american player who couldve made them be at the top for an entire year
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BnTeT
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not entry
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Yeah he's definitely better to have alive in the mid and late round scenarios.
Of course Bntet can entry if he has to but obviously that's not his actual role.
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just like naf, elige, and used to be twistzz, they dont need more of those type of players, someone has to do the shit
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Correct
lol
Aizy
SunNy
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+1 for Miikka "Firepower" Kemppi
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no pls
kobruh
name checks out
Why did they pick him up if he wasn't gonna be igl?
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cuz hes versatile
He’s their hype man.
Why not keep him?
He's doing not bad since FalleN got IGL role.
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I genuinely want to know this as well, I'd become a hideous fan of them if he suddenly disappears from there.
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Same, he's so damn annoying
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thats what liquid opponents think as well
Who knows, maybe those sub .95 ratings are what's doing it. Though of course we all have something to blame that for. They just believe he adds a lot more to the team than what a replacement could at this point in time. Whether it's true in reality or not is another question.
Team chemistry
Play-making
Support (in a loose sense)
Space maker
Secondary caller
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I also forgot to mention he’s a very important factor in team hype, but that could come under team chemistry idk
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There’s a reason he’s the highest earning NA player in terms of prize money :D
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That reason is being in the right team at the right time, lmao
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Doesn't change the fact that he's a dumb player who throws man advantages away. I can't even count how many times stephanie has lost a 5v4 situation due to making a solo push through a smoke (a very obvious push)...
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Not gonna bother explaining how important he is as a piece of liquid to a blind hater.
Yes, he creates and loses advantages, but that's just part of his playstyle.
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You are pretending like he's the only player who creates space & advantages, just gtfo lol, he is holding TL back
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He elevates TL wtf you on about
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How so? TL were a solid top5 (even top2) team before he joined them, after he joined they had a honeymoon period in the summer of 2019 where they dominated and since then it's been a huge downfall, are you blinded by your delusion?
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When you talk about their downfall, you're not going to account for Twistzz completely falling off and taking 'supportive' roles as well as nitr0 leaving for Valorant. They essentially lost a star player, dedicated awper, and IGL all in the span of a month or two.
No team is gonna improve after that happens you dipshit!
A honeymoon period isn't from Jan-September, that's actual improvement and consistency. A honeymoon period happens shortly after a player joins and lasts at most a month.
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Twistzz definitely wanted to become a support, yup!
nitr0 definitely left willingly, yup!
They were on their downfall even before that, 0/8
Their honeymoon was during the summer, Jan-Sep??? tf you on about
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Twistzz literally did a course titled "Rifling and Support", you don't know shit.
gamerzclass.com/games/csgo/classes/twist..
twitter.com/BLASTPremier/status/12087978..
Just get off the internet you fucking idiot.
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What does that fucking prove? Exactly - nothing
Where does it say he wanted to become a support again? You are so delusional it hurts to read your replies
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Dear lord watch the interviews and read the articles you braindead cunt.
Liquid completely fell off because:
A star player transitioned to support
They lost their IGL + AWP
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Link one interview/article where Twistzz says he wanted to be a support, I'll wait.
In the summer of 2020 they still had nitr0, yet they were only #11 in the world and as I said - Twistzz didn't WILLINGLY become a support.
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Twistzz STILL became a support regardless of willingness. Flag and IQ check out. Cya in 10.
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Are you really this delusional? Twistzz became a support because stephanie didn't want to be a support so he forced it onto someone else (that someone else was Twistzz). Hence why he ruined TL. You are more delusional than sam2k I swear.
I'm fakeflagging, but either way funny coming from a noscener. And yes, I'll cya in 10, but I'm not the one getting 10yeared, you are for insulting me by "IQ checks out". Have a nice evening.
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lmao your bait seems to work, congrats
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except it's not a bait lol
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you are a fool then
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no I'm just being realistic, most fanboys are blinded by the delusion that it's still 2017 and that stephanie is a good player (smoke criminal duh), but they couldn't be more wrong
he is the most overrated NA player
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k silver
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3.7k elo, not sure who's the silver in this conversation
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you can have 100000000K elo but that doesnt change the fact that you dont understand pro level. that's silver mindset
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wtf are you talking about? what mindset? just because I think that stephanie2k is overrated? 0/8, gtfo fangirl
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sorry if truth offends u little flower
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you have brought 0 arguments whereas I've explained why Twistzz most likely became a support and why Stewie ruined TL
you're just a child or a baiter, in that case still 0/8 mr. "pro"
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but TL is not ruined my dear retard.
also, i didnt say i was a pro lmao
i did say that you dont understand pro level cs which is evident when reading your comments
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imgur.com/a/yedT7FY yeah right TL is completely fine
I'm assuming since you understand pro level cs you must be a pro? can you sign my profile?
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pic just prove they are improving fast, how dumb can you be to bring proof against your own argument?
congrats, you unlocked a whole new level of idiocy!
btw i cant sign ur profile but i can sign your ass out of this conversation nonetheless. woll, to be fair it was your inability to think straight what signed you out so props to you. lololol ppl these days
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A honeymoon period doesn't mean improvement LMAO
you honestly just sound like a mad kid who's a stephanie2iq fangirl who can't admit the truth since he is blinded by his own delusion, keep the insults coming so I can report you instead of providing actual arguments, you are sadder than a homeless person
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for me its impressive how stew can do a masterclass play and a shitty play at following rounds. i just remember him doing really shitty job at nuke's bomb A and when he was doing the backup on bomb B he notices the terrorist couldnt aim the smoke blocking bottom ramp vision cause he needs to see NAF. he goes through smoke and that creates a player advantage to trade the kill and win the round.
entry and also his personality is important to them. Remember 2018 liquid, always losing to astralis in the finals. Now compare it to 2019 liquid. What's the difference?
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Astralis were too busy grinding out BLAST Events?
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Astralis were at 2/4 Grand Slam events.
This revisionist history is actually boring. I see it all the time and it's just not true.
The only one that was 'given' to Liquid was Sydney but then they went and won Chicago anyway so they still would have won the IGS without the Sydney win.
5 IEM/DH events in a row is insanely impressive even if Astralis were at none of them. You are still facing off against a scene that includes teams with Simple, Niko, Zywoo, Ropz, Brehze etc etc. And none of them were slouches in 2019. Mouz went on a crazy run. EG went on a crazy run. Vitality picked up a couple of events.
Like be real people.
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It's a joke. I wouldn't have to explain that to anyone from EU. Or anyone with more than room-temperature IQ.
Vitality did Liquid a favour in Cologne by beating Astralis in the semis. Regardless their summer run was still really impressive. But it was always sad to look Liquid play against Astralis. They had the skill to match them up but you could always tell how nervous they were by just looking at their faces during those games. Astralis really got into Liquid players' heads like no other team. Hopefully this changes with Fallen in the lineup.
I don't know. We still beat them in a lot of grand finals.
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The difference was stew
Who's gonna replace him? Who is an upgrade from stewie?
Because he is a good player.
didnt age well, top fragging rn vs NaVi
be a bait foe elulige
It’s only a matter of time before Moses kicks him, that’s why he brought in Fallen to IGL for liquid.
Stewie2k is washed up like his other previous teammates who ran to Valorant. He chose to IGL so that they wouldn’t kick him and have an excuse to be trash.
Now that Fallen is IGL Moses wants Stewie2k to either step up or go and be replaced by another more consistent fragger. And we all know that he will play well for a few games and then that’s the final nail in the coffin for him in terms of actually being good at the current level.
But he is smart he probably knew a while ago that he didn’t have much left before they eventually kick him like they did with Nitr0 so Im sure he saved up a-lot of money and started living on a budget.
Thats my 2 cents...
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I think Liquid are gonna keep this roster for entire 2021
Stewie is really important player for the team.... and he is not that bad
Fallen is the awper/IGL ....... but he is missing alot of shots and not consistent(atleast now) but the results are great recently
Elige is Elige
Grim is decent
NAF has been really great in 2021... fitting in the roles and putting up stats
stew is fallen's personal friend, he was living with dead (ex-sk/lg/mibr manager) for a long time. they had a lot of photos together. i dont think fallen would allow that thing, specially if u consider how thankful fallen is with his old teammates.
if you consider how stew plays, i'd say his stats doesnt show exactly his impact. i can agree with you he can be the weakest player on nuke's ct (by far), for example, but he still has a really huge impact even with low amount of kills and that's related to his trash roles. did you know during 2020 stew had almost the same amount of impact as NAF? and he was igl. stew has some impressive brain plays cause he has a good knowledge about tactics. that's why he was known as smoke criminal for example.
They wont kick Stewie. He is the one who keeps the pace. We can all agree that he isnt the biggest fragger, but somehow he has always been in good teams. So these ppl need him.
When Stewie left Cloud9, Cloud9 died en never been back again.
When Stewie left MIBR, they stop existing.
So no way Liquid wants to stop being relevant in csgo.
delusional
reminder that stew is actually playing decent without igling (and liquid as a whole)
cos he doesnt choke like other liquid players
no one else in liquid would have won that 1v1 against simple
he is not that bad
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+1, don't make same mistakes like ENCE or Na'Vi.
their results are vs trainwreck lineups. none of their wins has been vs a team playing well
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bro navi suck lol, take s1mple out and they're top 20
Nah man they just beat a team on a 10 win BO3 streak.
Like what?
You euros really had yourselves convinced this team was done. Fuck it must hurt.
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meh this is the weakest the scene has ever been, spirit look way more impressive than liquid do
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I know bro. It's always the "weakest the scene has been" when an NA team does well.
I heard it in 2018 and I heard it in 2019.
It's just silly. The scene only ever gets stronger and more refined tactically. This is the most negative IQ take ever so I hope it's bait but it usually isn't.
This is so old hat and it surprises me how little a lot of you know about CS.
Opening kill ratio1.01
Opening kill rating1.11
Team win percent after first kill75.3%
This is Apex's stats for comparison.
Opening kill ratio0.96
Opening kill rating1.06
Team win percent after first kill75.7%
So basically they keep him around because A. he's actually a really good entry fragger, one of the best. The nature of the role will make him look stupid at times. B. He's versatile and can pick up the secondary AWP and be proficient with it which in the new look Liquid frees up NAF to frag out. C He is a passionate player who hypes up the team and often helps with calling.
This shit should be self-evident to all you global elites out there.
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No they really are.
I see all these Europeans talk about how Americans don't understand CS or we don't respect it or we're just dumb.
And they are literally too stupid to see the man plays a role on the team. A really important role that specifically allows Elige a huge amount of room for multi-kills. He doesn't affect NAF as much because he's more then often on the wing but Stewie makes a huge amount of room and sets up Elige for insane multi-kills on the T side almost every game I watch.
Also Liquid even without Twistzz doesn't need more firepower. The only upgrade I see for Stewie statistically is Ethan as he plays a really similar role. Most dedicated entries as I showed above have worse stats straight up. However Ethan would cost a shit-ton of money and it would be a huge chemistry change on the team.
ok, but some people can do it better than him? imagine C9 disband + Xeppaa - Stew
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Again it surprises me how little you actually know.
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They have the same roles , right?
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Sure.
But what the fuck has Xeppa done in Tier 1 counter-srike? Had like three good maps? Has no understanding of the Liquid system? A system that's already gotten them top 4 at the most stacked tournament so far this year by the way. Also has literally zero chemistry with anyone on the team. Doesn't mid-round call.
Like need I go on.
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In 2020, Xeppaa fought in NA tier 1 for the team chaos. he AVERAGED 1.18 RATING as an entry. Grim, in 2019, playing in NA tier 1, with Triumph, averaged 1.10 rating.
In cloud9, Xeppaa had the best rating of all his team (as a fucking entry) even though the team was stacking up the losses.
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Here's Xeppa's entry stats.
Opening kill ratio1.07
Opening kill rating0.97
So better then Apex, worse then Stewie basically.
Liquid is a team built to win now. They don't need another prospect on the team. How this shit isn't self-evident I literally have no idea at this point.
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HAHAHHA
good lies, propangandist.
In 2020, where we have tangible stats:
STEWIE2K
Total opening kills
624
Total opening deaths
671
Opening kill ratio
0.93
Opening kill rating
1.06
Team win percent after first kill
73.1%
First kill in won rounds
17.3%
XEPPAA
468
Total opening deaths
381
Opening kill ratio
1.23
Opening kill rating
1.00
Team win percent after first kill
77.8%
First kill in won rounds
12.9%
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Why would I bother with those stats?
Xeppa has never played in front of a crowd literally ever.
Anyway this is a stupid ass conversation because even if Xeppa is some god tier entry fragger you'rre still ignoring everything else Stewie brings to the team.
And you're ignoring he plays way better when he's not calling.
Also I'm not even hating on Xeppa I like the kid. But he's played a year on Chaos totally online and a few maps in EU. Straight up that is not enough for a team on the cusp.
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so you lie on stats to prove your point and after you say stats dont matter??? xaxaxa
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No my stats are just lifetime stats.
Stewie has competed in EU for five years. Xeppa has competed in EU for like 5 maps.
How fucking hard is this to understand.
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So 2018 prime Stewie is as good as 2020 stewie? So kennyS is so good at 1.13 rating right?
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Now that he's not calling again? Yeah I think he could be absolutely he's only 23. Plus I prefer a larger sample size when I'm comparing a player who's played one year online in NA.
Again this should be really easy to understand. I've said what I'm going to say on this.
Xeppa better than stew as an entry?? As a support?? As secondary awp?? Ahahaha, You guys just wanna focus on stats, don't you?
+1, People have no respect for good entry fraggers like Stewie or K1to because everyone expects every entry to be Electronic or Dupreeh, not every entry aims to get kills off flashbangs, some of them are made to rush into the site ad get the site without much utility and when they do, they always win round caus etheres plenty of flashes and smokes for post plant, also as you said stew specifically is super versatile and you can see from the comms and just the way he acts, he brings a ton of energy and mental fortitude to a team with 3 very queit players personality wise(elige,grim and NAF) and I think everybody knows how good it feels to have someone hyping you up while playing, it makes you do way better, Stew deserves his spot in liquid
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+1 omg thx someone with brain!!
+1 It's time for TACO to return
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Given the roles he plays, it's a tall task to perform consistently like that.
Hes working as a second caller, and is the only aggressive rifler and entry fragger on the roster. If they kick him it has to be for an entry.
Lol.. why talk shit about stew. He's young. He hasnt reach his prime yet but already have enough experience to play the game a bit more wiser. He is the type of player that is so hard to find now adays. He can be flashy, decoy, clutch and xfactor to any teams. Never discredit a major champ bra. He's more skilled player than you ever thought.
entry fragging
he is only 23 and is already a major and grand slam winner.
Stewie is an asset. Dont listen to bitter hater bots in here who dont like him.
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yea wtf is this retard on they basically have identical stats the only difference was that obo was playing against t1 teams and flamez was farming t3 cups
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only on nuke though is what he meant
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so you are telling me that the guys on HLTV dont know more than the professional analysts at team liquid?
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because he won the 1v1 vs s1mple on the 3rd map, bringing the map to overtime in which Liquid won.
Stewie_1_major_s1mple_0
Because personality
I think the mood would go to shit without him
because they need someone to call on nuke, or else they will have 2 perma bans, obviously...
because he's an entry fragger and team player lol
When Stewie left C9 C9 fell apart. Even the manager Jack Etienne (who doesn't know anything about CS) knew that. He was the rock in the team. He adds as much morale outside the game as inside the game. He was the one who kicked Shroud and N0thing and brought them to the major. As for inside the game he creates space and makes many mid round calls. Not only that but he can entry well.
There is still a belief in the scene that he will turn into a star one day.
Why would you get rid of Stewie right now? Are y'all high?
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Secondary caller. Aggressive playstyle. Decent player whose proven he knows how to win.
Secondary caller, aggressive entry. Good leader, hype man
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fuck I´ll bite this bait
>fallen cant awp
>beated the shit out of zywoo and s1mple in the past two matches
pick just one, ma frend
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The team is winning why change?
Now that Stewie isn't IGL, he is freed up to play the way that he used to. It is clear that it was the right decision, if the vitality and navi games are anything to go by.
Because Stewie is the guy who gets two kills and then dies so his team can clean up. Also, everyone on the team except fallen beside him is super emo and will just give up at 10-0. If Stewie isn't keeping the spirits up then the liquid would probably all enter a suicide pact with each other. Who else would they sign? autimatic? lol.
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