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VITALITY STREAMSNIPING
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Germany wiggleCS 
I think many people dont know that the stream sniping which they paid 10000$ for wasnt really stream sniping. Every stream has atleast 90sec GOTV delay, manually in most of the cases even more, at least 2 minutes. Team can only streamsnipe in terms of keeping the economy of the enemy team in view, so they see the money. even if there is a delay they can calculate the money the team has in a few round, by losing or winning those rounds. thats the only advantage you can get. there is no real streamsniping, just economy sniping and maybe strats a little bit. So dont be retarded and think you can actually streamsnipe.
2021-02-23 10:19
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#1
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Netherlands ___Snowy___
Only Bofa knows how to streamsnipe
2021-02-23 10:21
7 replies
who tf is bofa
2021-02-23 10:24
6 replies
#6
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Netherlands ___Snowy___
Bofa deez nuts in your mouth gotteemm
2021-02-23 10:24
5 replies
#8
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Portugal DaHunter
Holy shit dude
2021-02-23 10:25
3 replies
I can't resist when I see it. I have to ask like its just I wanna spring the trap yknow
2021-02-23 10:25
2 replies
#12
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Portugal DaHunter
Nah man it looks like a bump, u can say whatever but he got you
2021-02-23 10:26
1 reply
+1
2021-02-23 10:31
#120
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Spain SS_SS
goteeem
2021-02-23 12:14
#2
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Germany wiggleCS
bumb
2021-02-23 10:22
6 replies
bomb
2021-02-23 10:31
4 replies
#34
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Russia Syonamaru
bongb
2021-02-23 10:39
3 replies
#64
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Germany wiggleCS
bangb
2021-02-23 10:56
2 replies
bengb
2021-02-23 11:01
1 reply
#75
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Germany wiggleCS
bungb
2021-02-23 11:03
#63
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Germany wiggleCS
READ THIS BEFORE YOU HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS #62
2021-02-23 10:56
all online tournaments have atleast a 4 minute delay
2021-02-23 10:22
4 replies
#4
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Germany wiggleCS
even more clear streamsnipe isnt really possible
2021-02-23 10:22
3 replies
but still, watching a stream of your own game is not fair
2021-02-23 10:27
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#29
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Germany wiggleCS
sure it isnt
2021-02-23 10:35
i mean it was behind their back and you could see every one of their backs was tunred to that TV so i doubt that even if they looked they could gather a lot of info like positions someone used to play ETC...
2021-02-23 12:10
#7
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Portugal DaHunter
Ok hear me out, Vitality get called for stream sniping and win the tournament Vitality no stream snipe anymore and lose to tier 2. Think about that
2021-02-23 10:24
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+1
2021-02-23 10:34
#25
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Germany wiggleCS
apex gone, team out of rhythm, apex tilt, shox not performing, there are a lot of reason, these relations your pointing out show the brain capacity of an ape
2021-02-23 10:34
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Apex left because he lost so goddamn hard he needed 1 week just to calm down 2iq smol pp smol brain lost 2 ww still mad
2021-02-23 10:51
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#77
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Portugal DaHunter
+1 BabyRage
2021-02-23 11:06
#9
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Yugoslavia Khmzbg
Also ESL have their ig sound recorded if at any moment there were some infos that they werent supposed to have they would've been disqualifed.
2021-02-23 10:25
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#27
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Germany wiggleCS
yes +1
2021-02-23 10:34
do you mean the same ESL that didn't find word.exe in the first place and didn't even try before the enemy teams said they should look for cheats on a fucking Lan? You mean this ESL Pepegalaugh
2021-02-23 10:40
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#124
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Yugoslavia al0))
what you mean, the admins did find it otherwise we wouldnt have known it :D
2021-02-23 14:02
Bro they didnt even use the TV ESIC reviewed the cameras and the comms and found nothing
2021-02-23 10:25
7 replies
#16
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Portugal DaHunter
Aaaa proof?
2021-02-23 10:28
5 replies
4 replies
crying is free
2021-02-23 10:33
1 reply
#28
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Bosnia and Herzegovina Foxxyownz
name checks out
2021-02-23 10:35
#38
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Portugal DaHunter
I read... so what? Why do people call the ex-mibr stream snipers since the same happened as well? Because they had their stream on, it's still very hard to tell if they were stream sniping, the only thing we can conclude that it's fishy they win the tournament where they "stream sniped" and lose miserably the next one
2021-02-23 10:40
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Yikes... nice brain Ive already said ESIC confirmed its not stream sniping and they didnt win the event this incident happened in
2021-02-23 11:23
#21
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Germany wiggleCS
yes ik but even if, it wasnt really streamsniping, retards really think you can do that
2021-02-23 10:32
yes you can see ONLY economy and strats, have u ever played cs?
2021-02-23 10:26
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#22
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Germany wiggleCS
strats u can also see after you lost the round, most of it at least, u dont need enemy perspective for that. economy is the bigger problem, but still, one guy said the delay is even 4 min, its really hard to completely keep up over 2 rounds difference and also, ESL and co are, as u might have noticed, keeping an eye on it...
2021-02-23 10:33
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yes you can only see their positions, rotations, how they play standard rounds, how they throw nades and from which positions they usually do it, yeah nothing really special xd
2021-02-23 10:35
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#31
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Germany wiggleCS
yeah prof teams do not prepare for that. AS IS SAID, its possible, maybe u read the thread header again, my words but there is preperation and also the things u see from your perspective, and tounament organizers are keeping an eye on stream sniping...
2021-02-23 10:37
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lmao i think you don understand 1 thing. everyone knows they were not live streamsniping like checking their positions in real time because of course there's a delay, we are talking about all the other possibilities that i wrote in my comment above, and yes thats also potentialy stream sniping, and even if they checked their teamspeak and didnt find anything suspicious they should still be punished for this dumb thing
2021-02-23 10:43
If Vitality plays t-side they can se on the stream where the CT side has their usual playsment even if its like 3 rounds back, as ct you almost always hold same angles. so they kinda can streamsnipe still
2021-02-23 10:26
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2021-02-23 10:30
#33
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Germany wiggleCS
still tho thats things u dont need to streamsnipe to recognise and change up for game, teams are prepared for strats and so anyway
2021-02-23 10:38
That is stupid af. Cuz when you are a team or a player with the integrity of fair play you don't start the stream in the first place. This isn't about how much you get out of it. You shouldn't start it in the first place. People like you probably defend also all this coach bug abusers and blame Valve for the shit morality of the coaches.
2021-02-23 10:37
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#35
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Germany wiggleCS
people like you really have no brain. didnt say stream sniping is good. didnt say you shouldnt punish. didnt say having a tv on is right. its all shit. i just made clear that u cant streamsnipe in the way, many people think you can....
2021-02-23 10:39
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stream snipping was at this point forbidden no matter of the delay. So Vitality did stream sniping by definition and by rules. There is nothing to discuss except you want to defend no Fairplay behaviour.
2021-02-23 10:42
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#48
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Germany wiggleCS
I DONT DEFEND STREAMSNIPING, I OFFEND RETARDS THINKING YOU CAN STREAMSNIPE LIKE YOU COULD WITH NO DELAY
2021-02-23 10:45
3 replies
and makes it better?? No. Cuz fair play shouldn't be a question of what TOs do to minimize the cheat effort of teams.
2021-02-23 10:50
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#60
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Germany wiggleCS
YES YES YES WE HAVE THE SAME OPINION, STILL I GET TRIGGERED BY PEOPLE SAYING VITALITY PLAY BAD COZ THEY CANT STREAMSNIPE ANYMORE COZ THEY REALLY THOUGHT ITS POSSIBLE TO 0 DELAY STREAMSNIPE. SO THERE IS MY THREAD TO TELL THEM THATS NOT RIGHT. STILL WE AGREE ON STREAMSNIPING THAT ITS SHIT :)
2021-02-23 10:53
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#69
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Germany wiggleCS
#62 my conclusion
2021-02-23 10:58
well it sort is valves fault, because pita let them know about the bug in late 2017, he dmd valve because in 2014 he had tweeted some random shit about valve, and valve reached out and said dm us, pls dont tweet it publicly and he did what they asked but they didnt even respond/read his dms
2021-02-23 10:42
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It is never Valves fault when coaches abuse it or when it happens never call an admin. Pita could have make the bug public but he didn't. hunden could have make it public but he didn't No 0% of this is Valves fault. The coaches decided to do it this way.
2021-02-23 10:43
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well it is valves fault in the way that they said to pita to only dm us and then they dont even open his dms, but yeh it aint valves fault coaches used the bug
2021-02-23 10:46
its called able to see what team does. maybe ever start of round on dust 2 4 guys stack long. or there some special boost that team can see. Even after like a 5 mins delay if you are able to see first 5-10 rounds you could then change stuff to help win last 5 of a half.
2021-02-23 10:40
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#47
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United States vip3r_k1ng
+1 A similar thing happens in baseball, the coaches play delayed video of the opposing pitcher and try to figure out if the pitcher is doing anything noticeably different when he throws different types of pitches. If they find something they tell their players so when they go up to bat again they will have an advantage over the pitcher.
2021-02-23 10:44
#51
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Germany wiggleCS
yes yes its still a problem but not as big as with 0 sec delay. also teams are prepared for strats etc, most of the times they would just see the same in stream what they already expect. still you are right, tournament orgs need to keep an eye on it.
2021-02-23 10:46
#39
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United States vip3r_k1ng
If you have the stream on in the background you should be punished, even if there is 5 minute delay or even if they managed to prove that they never actually looked at it and used the information. Its against the rules and made the TO look bad, there is no good reason for the stream to be on behind the players, I dont think Vitality cheated but I think this mistake deserved a sizable punishment.
2021-02-23 10:40
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#52
Bymas | 
Kuwait roye
they did cheat just think about it, streamsniping... There is no point to see your own team is stream sniping because you can see them live, im pretty sure they even took technical timeouts so they can streamsnipe harder.
2021-02-23 10:47
#53
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Germany wiggleCS
you are right, i already explained what i mean in #35
2021-02-23 10:47
#40
Bymas | 
Kuwait roye
bye zywoo top spots in player of the year even hltv will probably realise their mistake, btw its very good info on maps like inferno you can see which player rotating most so if you killed 1 you know how many players left in plant etc etc , also rotating tendencies overall >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. btw economy sniping you act like its a no problem, to know what guns will likely be in next round is nice help if rounds is really important. you can literally die just checking what guns others have
2021-02-23 10:43
who car. vitality is a tier 2 team
2021-02-23 10:46
People who still believe in this " streamsnipe case" are just retarded, and it's really sad to see that there are a lot of people who actually think that Vitality was streamsniping Liquid Like guys, use your brain pls You think they need to streamsnipe to know the economy of the opponent ? You think they need to streamsnipe to know opposing strategies? Like guys, these guys are pros, they analyse all those things before the match And you guys really think a huge esport org like Vitality will use a huge tv in front of everyone for streamsniping ? You think they will risk to lose everything by trying to streamsnipe the opponent team with the dumbest way possible ???
2021-02-23 10:53
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#62
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Germany wiggleCS
already told this many people in the thread, we agree :) 0 DELAY streamsnipe: impossible economy stream snipe: helpful, but you can keep up with enemys economy anyway, but stream would help strats streamsnipe: helpful, you can get info about enemys playing style. though, teams are prepared for enemy anyway, they would just see on stream what they already know, still could be useful STREAMSNIPING = shit and shall be punished, banned, whatever
2021-02-23 10:56
there are russians who somehow have no delay tools (possibly related to stream google reads from, as the score on google is usually 3 rounds ahead).. they are selling radar hack that has no delay for katowice 2021 someone from hltv tweeted this already. so there is a possibility that vitality WERE streamsniping, a.k.a connected to no delay stream. thats why ESIC fine, but thats just my guess.
2021-02-23 10:57
"they analyse all those things before the match" LMAO this reasoning
2021-02-23 11:17
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and why ? Give an argument, everyone can do that And do you know how cs pro scene works ?
2021-02-23 11:22
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Dude, any pro scene works the same, no matter what sport. The more information, the better. If that information is from 10 minutes ago instead of 10 month, of course it is more valuable. common sense.
2021-02-23 11:42
every1 knows that dummie
2021-02-23 10:56
Knowing your opponent's economy is already a huge advantage!
2021-02-23 10:57
Everyone knows, it's just a bunch of CIS nerds malding about zywoo beating simple for a second time in a row and looking for any oportunity to blame Vitality
2021-02-23 10:57
#78
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Ukraine McSwell
If it wasn't streamsnipe - it wouldn't be against the rules. If it wasn't against the rules - Vitality wouldn't be fined. But Vitality streamsniped and was fined. Case closed.
2021-02-23 11:07
Even with delay you still get a lot of info, for example about setups and tendencies in CURRENT opponent's plays or certain antistrats against YOUR team in particular. Money/economy isn't hard to calculate without stream... It doesn't matter even if all of this gives you only 1% advantage, it's still an advantage and it's against the rules and against fairplay.
2021-02-23 11:23
#106
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United Kingdom Leftie
You can use stream sniping to get info on what the enemy team usually do tho, and who usually goes to what position
2021-02-23 11:36
economy sniping and maybe strats a little bit = streamsniping
2021-02-23 11:42
#113
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France skzzzz
zywoo clearly stream snipes lol, thats why he became shit once they got fined
2021-02-23 11:42
It was bullshit because this was like the 3rd tournament where Vitality had the stream running in the background. Then even after ESIC said there would be a no tolerance policy for watching the stream Vitality did it again yet only got a tiny fine. It showed two things: the people organizing those bootcamps for Vitality were retarded and ESIC have no balls.
2021-02-23 11:47
#116
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Sweden Lagge15
False. The actual team they had on had a longer delay than usual, because of the ESIC statement in late 2020 and the incident in Flashpoint 2. I think the delay was either 3 or 5 minutes. But what you can gain from stream sniping is much more than just economy. You can get protocols and situational biased plays. You watch demos and whatever to gain knowledge of a team. That knowledge combined with what you see on a delayed stream gives you an advantage, that you shouldn't have. For instance on Overpass. If you see in lots of demos that your opponent do the quad boost two times per game, and you see on the stream they've done it only once, going into last round, you will pre-aim the boost spot and start the round 5v4 and their AWPer down, plus you've isolated the remaining 4 players
2021-02-23 12:01
When MIBR was fined nobody said that the stream had delay and etc. Both were fined because somebody found evidence /closed
2021-02-23 14:05
+1 smart thread
2021-02-23 13:59
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