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Are people still following the Astralis gospel as truth or is it now TOO OBVIOUS that reality isn't their thing?
Seperate the players from the org and you'll realize almost everything they've said has been lies for years.
Why else would they delete the evidence of the "10-man lineup"
Where are the linked articles to their web page about JUGi signing, Snappi joining on loan, Xyp9x leaving, Gla1ve leaving, Bubzkji replacing JUGi, etc?
Or that Bubzkji blame Valve's RMR rule changes to be the cause of their roster issues, when their roster issues have been a thing for 12 months, but the rule change has only been two months old?
Or that he should get more maps played when it contradicts the whole issue about RMR rule change?
Or that Device tweet where he forgot to take away his own name?
or the part where they promised nobody would be a substitute and that everyone would get equal opportunities within the roster?
its so sad that the best roster of all time is going to end their activities tainted by the fame of liars
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What exactly do you think sports team say when they get a player on loan?
Or what exactly do you think sports team declare when they buy a player just to resell him for profit?
"We are doing for the money"?
"We know he isn't good enough for us"?
Lies lmao
This is how you run a business, you guys follow just cs and it shows.
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No team has done that, because no team has reached the point Astralis has reached,
Fact its Astralis is run like a real team, a sport team, so a business before even being a team, that's why they're "at fault", no one would bat an eye at any of those "lies" in football for example, because we are used to it.
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and they do.
New promising player? Sign him, talk about how he is the future of the club and then loan him every single year.
"Real Madrid boss Zinedine Zidane has branded Vinicius Junior "the future" of the capital giants. "
Lets see where vinicius jr will play in the next years, shall we?
Astralis made some profit off useless players like esetag and jugi in a time where even paying salaries is difficult, a smart move, all the "lies" about their playtime or their future are a givine, you can't announce a player as a money operation, you need to lie to him too to give him confidence
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that is not a lie though - that is a prediction going wrong
Sir Alex Ferguson said Johnny Rödlund was the most talented youngster he's ever seen playing. He barely even made it to highest tier within Sweden.
That is just seeing potential and realizing potential.
The lie would be "I will make sure Vinicius Jr will be the best player he can be" and never even let him play with either A-team or reserves - that's what Astralis are doing right now
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Then pick all the youngsters bought from Chelsea and loaned out for years and years to their partner teams like Vitesse.
Even they know they will never play for Chelsea, and do they care? No because being owned by Chelsea is already a good thing for their career, just like it was for jugi (called for standin for a t1 team) and esetag (found immediately a t1 team, at least salaries wise), some team might think "what did chelsea see in them? let's try" and that's what happened for example to Pasalic, loaned for 4 straight years, never ever touched the Chelsea shirt and now is playing for a CL team like Atalanta.
Astralis revitalized their careers
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You most likely know as well s I do that there are differences in culture and rules around loans among youth players. Which means Italian and English teams got a culture of loaning out youth players while Spanish teams got a B-team instead
And now you're just arguing for my point.
If it was to make the best for Bubzkji they'd loan him out to another org, like the North AGF agreement
And if it was to have the best roster with 6 or more players we'd see Bubzkji play more maps like Vitality and Na'Vi have done it
what device tweet
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twitter.com/Thorin/status/13131757802858..
Sorry for Thorin tweet, multiple people got it but his was the first to show on google
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what does this even mean ? i thought they were just memeing
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that device is being told what to tweet
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No shit sherlock
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It's still weird that the org has to tell them what to tweet at all. And the fact he deleted it fast to hide it definitely empowers the idea that every tweet they make is actually not their own. It's just gives power to the idea that Astralis org are control freaks about the information that gets out about them following all the weird bullshit statements around their "7 man lineup"
The memes about it came from this mishap.
Someone in the PR department sent out what each person should tweet. Everyone managed to do it correctly except Device, who forgot to take away his name.
Gla1ve quickly joked about it, because he understood the severity if they didn't
Fun story about this, that I haven't heard anyone talk about: Xyp9x was seen practicing with the team for 2 months on their Instagram stories before these tweets, which just makes the tweets more cringe-worthy
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Also bad spelling, no one calls him clutch MASTER, it is cluth MINISTER
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why are you blowing this up? dev1ce made at mistake and that is all there is to it. The PR workers maybe need a better understanding of the community they are trying to target, then they wouldent have made the obvious mistakes of 1. MINISTER 2. That the community knows who pracc with who, so instead of trying to hype the official comeback they should have tackled it another way...
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I agreed with you on the other ones, you can read it at #80. Idk why you're trying to pick a bone with me on matters which I already agreed on. This was one I didn't agree with and asked why it is such a big thing that you mentioned it with the other points. And now you are like: Nah, he's an Astralis fan time to bait him in and have an argument.
This tweet had nothing to do with lies, and never will, that's what I was trying to point out, I honestly couldn't care less about the org, I'm supporting them because of the players, you can talk as much shit about the org as you want, I would most probably agree with it.
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I can't keep track of who is who, sorry.
What other PR managers openly lie?
The tweet in question is nothing if it was an individual thing. But it includes a lie and is clearly not his own words. Not a bad thing, but with the rest of the history of the org and their PR management, it raises eyebrows and is an easy example of how the org is using the good will of the players in a bad way.
"the severity" lmfaooo. There is zero severity, you think all public people tweet themselves all of the time? This is standard especially when it comes to sports.
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Navi and Vitality can, even 2019 Liquid does so shut up already
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You are delusional if you think 2019 Liquid was even close to Astralis level.Vitality was really powerfull in 2020, but for now let's see what they will do this year.Please, stop lying to yourself that NaVi is better than Astralis.I'm waiting for the moment when a team is gonna destroy Astralis just purely tactic, not by having a godlike player making 50 kills every game.Even in a year like 2020 wich was a bad year for Astralis because they had a lot of problems, teams couldn't reach their level.
oh yeah totally there were no other people invovled in the forming of Astralis and all the other dudes are hired BY THE PLAYERS
why are Astralis fans so dumb and blind to facts?
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Welcome to the world. Everything that's "professional" is managed by someone. Astralis is just a brand. Like in every other sports.. Some are even on the stock market.
Its players are not the brand itself but rather employees. In this job category they are the "star" and can act like a corporate influencer on social media to boost its brands status.
Literally every big org / brand is doing that. Some better, some worse. And some are doing it in a way that you don't even notice it. Maybe they just have a bad pr department, could be possible.
Just so you know and can make a comparison. Elon Musk is also considered as a corporate influencer boosting his own brand.
I'm not defending it, I hate it. I studied psychology and I can smell this things from miles away. But sadly all the orgs need to do that to continue to grow. I can't follow any of my most favourite sports teams etc on social media because it's so cringe. But it's not even only on sports... Everyone is doing that.. Newspapers.. Stars... Literally everyone, so wake up.
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I doubt you will
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ok
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If the director of sports/director of football would say "we wanna integrste more youngsters into our rosters" and then play a full season with one single youngster playing 5mins every 10th game, while having an average age of 30. I'd guess the fans would get quite irritated.
I can't recall any traditional sports club lie as much as Astralis
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But at this point it isn't what the CEO says anymore. It is what the players, coach and manager says.
Take the Gla1ve interview where he says they watched the demo to check their mistakes... Like that was something new and specific for that 16-1 loss.
But then you listen to interviews with him and Zonic from when they were at their peak: they did this for every event and every game where they thought they could learn something.
So he says that they did this specifically for the Spirit loss, but have earlier admitted they do it as a standard practice.
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"Or that Device tweet where he forgot to take away his own name?" why is that such a huge problem lol
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well you basically like someone's artifical personality if you like the Astralis players lol
they're being told what to do, how to act, they tweet in their name and yall danes go like "UH SUCH HUBMLE AND GREAT GUYS MAN I LOVE EM ALL GIVE ME SOME GOOD NICOLAI"
other teams probably do this too but not on an obvious level like this
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idrc about how they are outside of the game though lol
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so you don't even care about who's playing? you're just there to watch the name "device" displayed and a first person view?
man...
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i care a bit but their social media is pointless to me. most important thing is their level of play
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he's on thorins pattern lol
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Patreon, pattern was a typo
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This is false.
Surely alot of players have management behind their social accounts, but most doesnt. hence you get these extremely salty ''accusations'' etc from bigger names like s1mple, niko, etc etc.
Astralis obviously wants to look as proffessional as possible and in denmark esport is even bigger than normal sports at this point, hence why they get management, just as in football etc.
Well, you do have a point, Astralis management is really a joke and so is the whole organisation. I personally was super hyped when Astralis signed Kasper Hvidt, and I thought that Astralis would not only elevate the level and meta of Counter-Strike, but also how a team was run and the management and organisation behind it. Sadly I have been very disappointed in Astralis as an organisation, though I have never been disappointed in the team.
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Nah dude.
Astralis org is not the best, but certainly not the worst. Everyone is whining about the 10 man lineup, but always forget why they brought in Jugi, Bubzkji and Es3tag. Xyp and Gla1ve were burnt out for almost the entirety of the 12 months . Xyp just joined and Valve restricted mid game switches, so Bubzkji can't play 1 map anymore he has to play all 3 or none.
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oh yeah and other teams are cheating then right? :DDDDD
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Thank you for giving me knowledge, I didn't know about this and based my thoughts upon the fact that RMR had started and almost every tournament was included. This also applies to #90 due to the enlightenment from these combined posts.
But you're right they made some poor management decisions, I really hoped that they would use Bubzkji more (only one left of the substitutes).
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It's fine, i'll reply here to your #74.
As said Bubzkji has to play either an entire series or no maps in a bo3. So guess in that way they want to replace someone with Bubzkji against certain teams. I may be wrong and understanding the entire 6-man system wrong.
And Astralis started the 7-man roster because Xyp and Gla1ve needed a break due to their mental health (which were caused by bad management from Astralis). So I don't see what is wrong with not using the players thats not there.
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Xyp on break, can't use him so they're left with Gla1ve, Dev1ce, Dupreeh, Magisk, Bubzkji and Es3tag. They switched Bubzkji and Es3tag around for some maps when they started working on their strats. It takes time for them to build strats around different rosters, Vitality was just better at it than Astralis.
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If what you say is true, then the announcements would be different than they are now, and nobody would call them liars.
Getting substitutes isn't something bad, especially not for a team like Astralis. The issue is the reasoning they had in their statements and that they wouldnt use substitutes. Yet JUGi barely played, Es3tag called himself a substitute in an interview and we've all seen the Bubzkji situation.
I don't particularly like Thorin, but his takes on this situation are spot-on. Every shady thing that the Astralis org does is for one of three reason:
- to suck up to politicians for money
- to bring up their stock value
- (most notably) to discredit the players as much as they can and take all the credit to themselves (the management) so that when this roster inevitably leaves/dies out at one point they still have a strong brand left to rebuild on, which is something they've proven themselves terrible at as seen by their LoL roster
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Iow I am saying everything other people say that don't have emotions invested to the org?
I haven't seen any of them react to the Bubzkji interview yet, so here is a sneak preview:
twitter.com/lagge15/status/1364616330876..
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yeah just read it
you should've also specified how they took quote - "voluntary" paycuts (but are really all forced paycuts) to sign these random players
I mean the thing with investors is - they'll only look at the fancy articles and Nyholm is notoriously a good talker so they have no reason to look at some random Twitter users underlining bullshit he says. That being said, the org is financially fucked seems like and if they don't stabilize in a few years, they'll probably be ceasing operations because in a few years they won't have this CS lineup to bring them all the money. They've probably only recently realized that the average age in Astralis is like 25 and that they don't have much left.
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This literally makes no sense.
twitter.com/lagge15/status/1364616330876..
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You are delusional about Astralis
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idk i just dont care? why ppl care
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I think that there needs to be a fine line of what is factual, what is merely rumoured and what is conspiratorial nonsense.
Astralis as an organisation is not perfect but we must always treat rumours, conspiratorial nonsense and fact as they are.
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The problem with Astralis is the conspiratorial nonsense and rumour outweigh the overall facts of the matter, especially when they are not in favour of Astralis either...
What do we ACTUALLY know about Astralis as an organisation?
What are the rumours?
What is the conspiratorial nonsense?
Can these factors be changed?
Are any of the above questions actually in favour of Astralis?
There just seems to be far too much "what if?" instead of any actuality with Astralis as an organisation, when such questionable activity could easily be avoided.
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Exactly my point.
Always more questions than answers...
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No, not at all. :) I agree with most of what you state, I'm just generalising the fact there is far more conspiracy and rumour than there is factual activity.
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Yes. There is never really anything positive or in favour of the Astralis organisation, just points you and I have highlighted overall.
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I was always sure he kept his name for the jokery, I would do so myself. Even if he actually didn't write it and copied it as it was, it's still nice for him to show that he doesn't care and can do whatever he wants, nothing will change. And nothing has changed.
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Well bubzkji did have equal opportunity with xypex, the problem is bubzkji and jugi are just to bad and didnt learn anything, while playing, i literally saw bubzkji do the same mistake in 4 different games
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who the fuck cares?
have the "lies" that they have told hurt anyone? effected anyone negatively?
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get a life man
shit org and shit team, what else is new
Late but +1.
Thanks for sharing this, I hope it doesn't get deleted hmm...
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they also were sponsored by some scam site (I think esports.com) which owners are in court/jail over.
Without those 5 players and zonic AST are nothing. Look at their LCS team xaxaxax they are incompetent at best
