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BO5 Finals
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United Kingdom FreeScratch 
I get they are often more skillful, and the better team with a deeper map pool usually wins, but for viewership it can get boring to watch. With 5 maps it will prob last like 4/5 hours and thats a long time for one match. For viewership although less competitive I think BO3 finals are better, thoughts?
2021-02-28 17:27
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United Kingdom FreeScratch
bump
2021-02-28 17:28
Naaah, its fine.
2021-02-28 17:28
i agree
2021-02-28 17:29
#4
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Australia B_Tannen
Depends on the teams and maps, of course.
2021-02-28 17:29
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United Kingdom FreeScratch
yeah if its a team I support then its fine, but for general viewing I dont think a BO5 is that enjoyable to watch
2021-02-28 17:30
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Well I am fan of NaVi and I cannot imagine enjoying BO5 finals with their signature slow T-side rounds. And I cannot imagine anybody enjoying 5 maps of throwing utility by astralis either.
2021-02-28 18:13
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yeah youre right, thats just the way CS is played nowadays though, super slow usually in high level play which is why I dont like BO5s
2021-02-28 18:16
Bo5 is way too long imo, now is third map, normally decider map, but no stress at all I feel like. Still such a long way to go, but I guess they have their reasons....
2021-02-28 17:29
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yeah agreed
2021-02-28 17:31
I really enjoyed and looked forward to the BO7 finals back in the days but back than you rarely went to OT and shit usually ended 16-9 or sum
2021-02-28 17:31
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#9
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United Kingdom FreeScratch
no way, what events???
2021-02-28 17:31
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Shiiit cant remember but it was way back 2016 Edit: damn that long time ago hltv.org/matches/2297249/mousesports-vs-..
2021-02-28 17:32
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jesus man, that must be so tiring to play in
2021-02-28 17:34
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yeah thats also why they dropped it. Rounds was much more fast paced and people were not scared to rush today is all tactical 'nd shit
2021-02-28 17:35
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who knows next major all BO7s grands BO9s
2021-02-28 17:40
wtf
2021-02-28 17:35
i agree, all finals of big events should be BO3
2021-02-28 17:30
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yeah, maybe with stuff that is like super prestigious like major grands maybe a BO5 is viable, but imo not preferable :)
2021-02-28 17:32
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bo5 finals should be exclusive to events like esl pro leagues or the iem sydeny's / new york's . super prestigious events like cologne, kato and majors should be bo3 because those events have the most newer viewers and for a good viewing experience it should be keep short and sweet instead of a 7hour+ 5 map game
2021-02-28 19:06
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yea agreed
2021-02-28 19:42
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Denmark Vqwerty03
I love bo5, you see some difference map and the best teams can show, they have a deeper map pool
2021-02-28 17:31
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yeah I agree thats the advantages, but I just feel for watching its not as good
2021-02-28 17:32
because breaks are very long post map analysis is pretty useless imo, not even remotely interesting to listen
2021-02-28 17:32
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yeah true, but still 5 matches is a lot in CS, like the few major esports I know of generally last around abouts 3 hours max or whatver
2021-02-28 17:33
It is mainly so players can rest between maps and prepare tactics for each map.
2021-02-28 18:18
bo5 would be great if we had mr12, but with mr15 it can drag out for sure
2021-02-28 17:33
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mr12?
2021-02-28 17:33
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12 round halves instead of 15. Team who wins 13 rounds wins the map
2021-02-28 17:34
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oh like valorant, my bad I just didnt know what mr meant. Maybe, I doubt people would edit CS that much though, and it would make games quite reliant on pistol rounds with current economy
2021-02-28 17:35
first to 13 wins
2021-02-28 17:34
bo5 12 rounds per half?
2021-02-28 17:34
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flag checks out
2021-02-28 17:35
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ok just wasting lifetime i guess
2021-02-28 17:37
again, I dont mind the idea but it seems there would need to be economy changes or something because pistol rounds ( if converted properly ) would make up 25% of scores as apposed to 20% which seems like a severe switch
2021-02-28 17:37
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The days of the pistol being worth 3 rounds are long long gone. In fact, the 2nd round is way more important these days and since the loss bonus is higher after the pistol it's often times on similar footing no matter who won it
2021-02-28 17:41
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yeah, but a force from both sides should usually go the side of the team that won the pistol since they have better equipment and then the other team has to eco a round
2021-02-28 17:43
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The winning team might be favoured, but not by much. If the CTs won the pistol the 2nd round is probably very close to 50/50. If a team wins both the pistol and the follow up round, why don't they deserve an eco round from the opponents? rounds that are worth more than 1 happen many times in each and every map, thats just the nature of csgo. why should the pistol/follow up round follow a different dynamic?
2021-02-28 17:48
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i mean second round conversion rates for teams after losing pistols are close to 20% most the time
2021-02-28 17:49
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Source on that? That seems completely wrong
2021-02-28 17:49
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stats team during blast, Ill see if i can find a link. With correct play there is no reason you should lose especially on T side
2021-02-28 17:50
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I just went through all the maps of the katowice playoffs and the 2nd round conversion rate of the team that lost the first round is 43%. Now obviously this is not a large sample size, but it's very far off from your 20% number that seems absolutely unrealistic. And you even have to substract the rounds where there was no force in the 2nd round, so it's even higher than 43%
2021-02-28 17:56
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the 20% was last 3 months for a specific team , so a much larger sample size. Im looking for a clip
2021-02-28 17:56
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Stats for specific teams are unusable because the team might have a tendency to not forcebuy in the 2nd round. On top of that, it might just be a team that had a bad (or good) round win% in general in the last 3 months
2021-02-28 18:00
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well if they have a tendancy not to do it its prob because it doesnt make economoical sense. I could be misremembering figures but CBA scrubbing through BlastPremier vods mindlessly for the sake of a dispute on HLTV.
2021-02-28 18:09
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When teams have the option to not force and have a gun-round in the 3rd instead, it would mean that the pistol is only worth 1 extra round though. Your original point was that pistol rounds are worth 20% of the match (6/30 rounds), but that is not true if you are assuming that teams are ecoing in the 2nd and buying in the 3rd. If teams want to go for a risk that "doesn't make economical sense" that's on them.
2021-02-28 18:16
There are many events which have BO3 finals. But for the big tournaments, with most prestige I like BO5.
2021-02-28 17:36
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yeah I get that, again I think things like Majors should have BO5s but I think tournaments like Blast or IEM should be BO3 since its more exciting and seems every moment matters more
2021-02-28 17:38
BO3s are the max amount of time I can watch CS for.
2021-02-28 17:38
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same most the time
2021-02-28 17:38
Only events like katowice, cologne and a major final should be bo5
2021-02-28 17:39
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yeah I could agree with that but I think whilst its not LANs BO5s are a little boring. A lot of the midtime shows at LANs were interesting as now its a snooze fest
2021-02-28 17:41
bo3 ftw I don't understand why so many people have an hard on for bo5 finals. It's nice every once in a while, but most finals should be bo3. Only scenario it should be bo5 is with upper/lower bracket.
2021-02-28 17:43
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Poland blankkoo
thats why 2018 boston grand final will be the best major/s-tier event final for a long time
2021-02-28 17:50
BO5 finals are ok, bring back BO7 to make it even better
2021-02-28 18:01
#51
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Brazil wetdark
If it were a final of Navi x Liquid, 5 maps would be little for us.
2021-02-28 18:04
No its not too long. Wtf do u kids have to do thats so much more important on sunday evening??
2021-02-28 18:05
#59
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Ukraine McSwell
+1 Valve limited their majors only to bo3, because there are reasons why bo3 > bo5. bo5 would only be cool with 10-12 active maps in pool.
2021-02-28 19:08
I agree but it does seem like people/the community likes bo5.
2021-02-28 19:43
as we are looking for the better team to win the tournament I prefer bo5 over bo3 because it gives edge to the better team which should win the thing
2021-02-28 19:44
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ye IG
2021-02-28 19:45
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