anyone follow valorant scene?
how big are the prize pools and the audience compared to cs?
cuz i think the only good reason nahtE would leave a tier 1 cs team to play valorant is because of moneys, right?
But could it also partly be because of how society works in NA? In Europe, bothering with things such as paid studies and healthcare isn't an issue which would lead me to believe there is more room for an individual to hone their skills in videogames. Also any hope NA had of being relevant in CSGO died with IBP matchfixing.
What is all esports lol, tell me what greece has done. I swear people who live in Europe act like its the continents achievements when they just riding a few countries success. Instead of saying EU> NA, why don't you look at greece vs us or Greece vs Canada. There isn't really any esports scene in NA outside of CA and the US, which is only 2 countries. There are 44 countries in Europe so you would expect them to have a lot more great teams. In terms of countries with the most esports success the US and Canada are both up there.
I think the reason as to why the NA scene is suffering and players going over to valorant is because there isnt many paying orgs except Liquid and EG. example, freak and swole patrol tried to be relevant, but in the end they couldnt finance themselves and rather left for a game where there are fresh orgs willing to pay salarys so they could actually live off gaming.
in esports they are the most rediculed region. the only game they are successful at is cod (KEKW)
also idk how you managed to assume that i am attacking him personally, bold of you to assume i actually care about him.
great mentality comparing yourself to a small country. you're supposed to be a major region with major investors and you're still ass. If you want to be considered a major region and not just a bunch of talentless paycheck stealers, stop comparing yourselves to countries 1/50th your size lmao
You can't have it both ways. You either compare a 500m people region with a 700m people region and you account for those extra 200m. Or you don't compare a 320m country with a 10m country like denmark (even though you lose again).
Some of the best MY ASS. You guys should have 70% as many teams in the top30 as EU. Same for players. Yet you are consistently stinking shit in every esport. Dota (dead), CSGO (dead), LoL (utter trash and soon to be dead).
In LoL for example: If there are 2 eu teams making semis in Worlds you'd need to have 1 NA team making semis. Yet you have 0 teams getting out of groups, or even winning a single game. Funny isn't it? Even though NA players get paid more. And have more infastructure around them. Funny isn't it?
NA is a region as is EU so comparing NA to smaller countries like Greece is not right. But I saw someone saying that one of the key things to success in the EU is that you don't have to pay as much for education thus you can invest more money and time into your interests outside of your studies. Like in the U.S you can get a scholarship to play basketball for example. If a similar solution would be applied to producing eSports talent, that would most certainly lead to U.S most likely being on top of eSports.
LMAO literally right now, no tournaments, just streamers (no shroud or ninja btw, only regular players and pros) i.imgur.com/PyuLmzw.jpeg
VALORANT has 6x more viewers than CSGO and you talk it's a "horrible game to spectate". Apparently, facts > your fragile feelings.
Read my comment again.
I was talking about esports side by clearly saying VCT TOURNAMENT OR SOMETHING! You cheese burger loving orange man worshipping illiterate 0 iq murican.
Learn from your brother Slyckz at least please. Stop embarrassing yourself and NA please.
Also, i not sure why stupid, bimbo and skinless noob woman streamers like Pokiman and Nekolul are playing Valorant nowadays instead of just sticking to Just Chatting.
I think its because how alive and thriving NA scene for Valorant is, involvement of devs and csgo is a stale game: same maps and same everything.
Also good money
Not to mention valorant is more marketable (no terrorists, bombs (ofc there is spike but not IRL c4), more cartoonish (attracting casual players too)
Completely irrelevant as long as Riot is unable to make anything on the scale of the Steam Workshop. I never said anything about the potential of the game, only that currently CS has more and produces more content than Valorant which is true. If you enjoy a specific gamemode within Valorant more than what currently is developed in CS' community then none of this really matters but CS simply has more things to do than Valorant and likely always will.
Oh? You're* not stupid, right? iscoq?
15 abilities flying across your screen with wallhacking characters and cartoon rocket launchers LMAO bruh, stfu. this game is for kids and kids only. trash movement, trash gunplay with random spray pattern after 6 bullets, stuuuupid agent updates all the time with no new maps lmao icebox was garbage, what else? Want me to keep moving on?
well new map is coming as well, yes atm map pool is small but it keeps increasing. I personally didnt play valorant since beta in june/may 2020 until november 2020 but still did not like it. In beta is was lowkey fun but now too many abilities and somethings you cannot control makes me dislike the game.
Wolves, turrets, invisible heroes, rpg and etc. Not for me, gunplay (headshots) are good but abilities ruin for me
My point is that we have been playing dust 2, mirage, inferno, nuke, train and etc for years literally same maps, they brought vertigo which is a bit of a mess for competitive. Which map is in horizon to be added? Yes cache literally same map with few adjustments so nothing new again
Just like NBA for example you can win 0 matches but you will be still in the league
Also franchise mean that orgs needs to pay at least the salary cap ground-limit
That's why salaries gonna be bigger than they are now
Nope. You can't compare League there with loL and Dota.
First of all, if sponsors demand viewer in Europe, they will not pay as much as they do in loL cuz in Europe you get not much viewer.
Second is it is still a shooter football clubs etc will not join this market.
third you compete with an open league in cs where young kids grow up with. I mean s1mple played cs since he was 4. How will RIOT beat this by money only argument?
can you stop with the "there are terrorists in this game" meme already?
nobody gives a fuck about it, the sponsors or viewers. CSGO target audience is young adults not karen boomers. sponsors try to sell you logitech mouse and redbull, not rolex or gardening tools
this is no meme. In my country, it is always a political topic. So when you have no idea shut the fuck up.
Schalke who has a LoL team and the brother of the esl founder as the manager who knows exactly what esports is denies to invest in csgo teams cuz of this issue.
Hoeneß president of Bayern münchen said he would never invest in "Killerspiele".
Mercedes is a big sponsor in ESL Dota but not in CSGO...
VW sponsor a lot in Fifa but not in CS
SAP sponsored in Dota and Liquid but not in CS.
It is no meme it reality that shooter have still a big marketing issue. Especially on big companies that would bring a lot of money.
Nope as I said they will not join the market... I already wrote that will be an issue for Valorant as well.
And COD has success in Europe? nope.
You need that compassion "no matter what" to bring CS to the level as it is today. It would never happen when ESL in 2001 waited until a big sponsor said "CS is great".
It is also what they feel like is a good place to invest, Audi still did it with Astralis after all
Although it may seem unfavorable to invest for a big audience, in the western world id imagine no one would really care tbh
I strongly disagree with you. It's hard to compare Riot and Valve in terms of patches and content. CS is more complete game comparing to Valorant. I mean that Riot has to work a lot on Valorant because otherwise game will die pretty soon. Valorant is pretty fresh and has almost nothing yet Valve biggest problem is that it's hard to add a lot of content to CS because it has almost everything what community wants for now. Also there is a big problem because of the game code that is pretty old and it's hard to work with it (That what've seen on reddit from ex valve developer)
There is one more thing that is great from Valve. They gave an opportunity for the community to bring a lot of content in game by the community itself (like coop maps, retakes, kz, bhop, surf, even among us and so on)
P.S. I don't say that Valve>Riot but Valve obviously deserves a respect for what they have done
Valve definitely deserve there flowers absolutely... I mean there community support is and will always be NUMBER 1! The skins, maps, mods, etc etc. It's one of the main reasons the community is so strong.
Now, CSGO is the 3rd iteration of what is a 20+ year old game... So yes, CSGO is much more complete then an 8 month game like Valorant... But let's be realistic here... Riot releases a patch for Val every 2 weeks.. 2 WEEKS! lol. They release new content every 2 months which include a new agent, & battle pass at minimum. They also release Big updates every 6 months for things like maps, reworking rank, etc. And look at there esport scene in less then a year... I mean they designed a system for almost every region in the world lol. Except India cuz uhh idk China.
Both companies are amazing at what they do and I dont want to discredit Valve cuz I love there games. But bro, outside of the community and a random operation there support IMO is lackluster. IMO... If you feel differently thats cool. But R6: Siege has more support & content then CSGO.
Have you seen how many patches did CS:GO had when it came out? :)
Same question with releasing new maps. There were like 50-80 maps for sure released by Valve. Most of them were removed later of course.
I didn't play Valorant since September - October if I'm not wrong. But aren't battle pass as well as the skins just a waste of money? I mean that it's not even possible to sell your skins.
They are realising tons of new skins that usually are better than previous and forcing community to spend even more on pricey skins that are worthless. Since August (when I played with my friends a lot) I've seen that a huge part of the Valorant community were asking Riot for a marketplace and as I know Riot will never create it. So they do care a lot about money (as well as Valve do) but don't really care about the community at all :)
I respect and understand your point of view bro but I still don't really agree with you.
It's really not possible to sell skins in ANY game lol... Valve titles and a handful of others use the market place but look at PUBG, Fortnite, Siege, CoD, Rocket League, LoL, etc etc. I mean... However; I sold my WoW acct back in the day so thats the loop hole if you're trying to sell.
But yeh I'll leave it at that... Lets agree to disagree lol... +1 buddy
Riot looks better than Valve because Riot cares about their game.Valve has thrown away csgo.They are sucking the shit out of Dota 2,Gaben goes to majors and Valve helps to improve price pool,but csgo receives none of those.Csgo is like stepchild to Valve.Only reason for CSGO to be alive today is its community and esport teams' investment
There is quite a lot of money, and Riot is involved creating a franchise. VCT or whatever league.
so its easier for orgs to get along there, they probably wont lose as much money compared to CS.
But lets be honest, Team Liquid, 100T, NRG, TSM, and a few others that have mostly CS:GO washed up players and players who left for valorant because "Cs iS DyInG" are literally not winning any of the big tournaments. Which is a good reality check.
Many young guns, and people who dont know about before, who lived up playing valorant only, are much better xD.
Not interesting enough to follow yet, for now it's mostly just either washed-up CS:GO pros, former blatant cheaters *cough cough* subroza *cough cough*, there are exceptions obviously but for now it's basically just a retirement home for former csgo pros who for one reason or another can't compete in CS:GO anymore.
last time i watched hey got around 10k depending on the team playing, and riot is doing the same they do with LoL, they organize their own tournaments, divide them by region with prize pool being around 30-150k, and them make 2 or 3 "major" a year with big prizes, its not huge right now but its consistent so teams get in because still a platform for ADS so there will be money, and considering that valorant still a new e-sport (dont even had a real champion or world championship yet) its actually good money
Valorant is overall better than csgo as an eSport long term, and csgo needs valorant (competition) toget better and better, this way csgo is going to improve faster, i prefer csgo over valorant but hey valorant its not a bad game tbh, i can play both games regularily and get good at both since they're have almost the same gamemode and shooting mechanics.
i feel like the shooting mechanics are quite different. I mean yeah they are similar in a general view but you still cant say that they are in direct competition. I dont understand how so many people see it as either valorant or csgo as they really are quite different overall
Yeah, they are different games but in the same genre, VALORANT is basically a familyfriendly and new version of CS game mode, R6 its a waaaaaaay different game but is in the same genre but it isnt a direct competitor like VALORANT is, i mean LOL its a better product than Dota2 in the same genre, take it like an example, VALORANT would be basically the same but obviously it depends of the liking of the players.
The 3 biggest tournaments in peak viewers were Twitch Rivals, 100T Invitational and First Strike NA, with 700k, 400k and 300k respectively.
The 3 biggest tournaments in prize pool were the 3 First Strikes (EU, NA, Korea) + Twitch Rivals with 100k.
Hard to compare it to CS because the game came out not even a year ago. It's going to take time to build a community and viewership.
For me personally the game is more fun to play than CS because it's 128 tick and people are actually playing in west coast NA unlike CSGO so I don't have to wait 10 minutes or more for a game.
like its honestly gonna get bigger as time goes, possibly bigger than cs because the game is already growing much more than CS in Asia region and NA scene is gonna die and move to valorant pretty soon. Also if one region dominates, that region is gonna play more valorant as well. Its way more popular between streamers, less hackers and updates/fixes are much faster. If there wasnt a covid, firststrike prize pool combined woulda been pretty massive when its only the first riot tourney
Their first strike tournament had 300k viewers.
Katowice had what, 500k today?
Riot knows how to do esports, valve is lazy sacks of shit.
CS and Dota are the superior games for sure to League and Valorant, but that doesn't matter.
Valorant will overtake CS in 2 years.
It's a much deeper game with a higher skill ceiling. Similar to how CS:GO has more mechanics than Valorant.
This leads to a lot of theory crafting, and a more interesting game overall. But much less accessible to casuals.
Here are some mechanics that Dota has that LoL doesn't:
-juggling creep aggro
-most items have actives
-every hero has different power spikes and some are hard countered by others, making the draft insanely important
-heroes are not shoehorned into a single role, some supports can be played mid, or carry
-almost every hero has a purpose
-rune control and runes in general
I could go on.
I have not played League since 2013 though, so maybe the game is deeper now, but I doubt it. I usually tune in around the world championships and the game hasn't changed much except for like 1 new creep camp, a few new items, the drakes, and an early version of a nashor that helps you take towers. It's also sad to see only new heroes dominating the meta cuz Riot wants to sell RP.
I can say from a ex German cs Pro player he had daily streams 700-1000k viewer since he plays valorant he only has 200 viewer.
Valorant is shit and even if RIOT would start a closed league as in LoL it will have not much success.
Europe is the cs base and that will not change by money. Surprise here in Europe people love the games they play and watch and some teams as mouzsports have a long history in cs you can't transport that Fanbase to another game.
Valorant is the CSGO retirement home lol. All the washed NA players or pug stars who never made it go there. Game is pretty boring. Their matches are lucky to get 20k on twitch or break 5k on YouTube. I’m immortal and takes 5-10 minutes for a queue just for someone to dodge at times. Game is pretty much dead, all the generated hype is gone. Give it a year or so before it officially dies.
CS is literally dead in our region bro. I'm Diamond 3 and I can get a comp game in valorant in 2-3 minutes usually, meanwhile I'm DMG and it usually takes like 10-15 minutes to find a csgo mm game, just for it to be east coast or BR game with 100 ping.
NA CS isn’t dead dude lol. I’ve legit never had to wait 10-15 mins ever for CS and I’m LE. Maybe if you’re queuing maps like Agency or something dumb. That part doesn’t make sense. Valorant is made for noobs. That is a reason why a lot of new players like it. It’s easy, I think you can agree to that. The skill gap is a lot lower compared to CS. Diamond 3 is a good rank but even when I was diamond, I was surprised how many players were in that rank with terrible movement but decent aim (not saying you’re bad but just in general). I just can’t play that game with Run and gun and rng spraying. The awful maps with 9000 corners/angles to clear doesn’t help either. Sorry for rant, didn’t mean to make it this long.
The maps are definitely the worst part about the game right now, also unavoidable flashes are really annoying too because Phoenix and others can throw perfect pop flashes with a click. Not sure when you've played last but they've removed a lot of the annoying corners and angles and they also just recently nerfed run and gun to where you don't see it as much.
The game is not perfect but I'm having more fun playing it right now than CS, but I've been playing csgo on and off since it came out in 2012 so maybe I'm just burnt out on it at this point. I still prefer watching pro CSGO matches over valorant, but valorant esports is in its infancy so it shouldn't really be judged.
All these people salty about Valorant is like SC2 fans talking shit about how LOL will never overtake it. We all know how that turned out. Riot is better developer than Valve, and they created modern esports model, nobody can compete with them in this category. There are zoomers now who didnt grow up with 1.6/Source, for them CS is not legendary name, its just another game with outdated graphics and mechanics.
It will be same as with Dota, League is bigger everywhere but in CIS, Valorant will be bigger everywhere but CIS and maybe Europe. Once Riot pulls franchised league with guaranteed profits teams like G2 will drop their CS team for Valorant if they see profit, Ocelote came from League and he knows Riot, G2 has no historic ties to CS.
i wanted to like the game but it has inferior mechanics,maps and terrible graphics. so even if i think valorant sucks i don't really care about it being bigger than cs as long as pro cs scene doesn't die out and we can watch some banger games like navi-liquid last week. skins and free market made csgo this big anyway not the game itself.
I love CS and have played it for years, but the game is fucking dead in NA.
3k players on west coast NA, not many more for east coast too. Probably most of those players are silver/gold nova, I'm DMG rank and it takes me 15 minutes just to find a comp game these days. Just no excitement around the game at all, playerbase is toxic and bored. FACEIT and ESEA for NA is even more dead. Also 128 tick servers, unrated mode that is actually 5v5, much newer and better engine that doesn't feel like shit.
Don't blame Ethan for leaving this game, because it's dying in our region while Valorant is thriving.
FACEIT can take 10 minutes too and it's usually east coast or texas server so I'll have shitty ping, also FACEIT anticheat makes the game feel like shit for me and I have a 2080 and i7-9700k.
I haven't had ESEA in a couple years but it's definitely better. It's hard to justify the monthly fee though because I'll go long stretches without playing.
Does Riot has somehow superior servers for their games?
My country fellow from LoL called Caps could play on Chinese super server or Korean one straight from Berlin
Also one more question does Valorant has big impact on OWL scene? CoD is prolly untouched cuz they're playing on consoles
Yeah Riot servers are better for sure. Almost all the high level OWL players from NA switched to Valorant so OW is pretty much a Korean/Chinese game now for the highest levels, still definitely a playerbase in NA but it's mostly just casual players. OW2 might change that but it's still over a year from release.
bruh Riot has server only in Chicago for LoL, so half the playerbase has to play with like 60 ping. It's actually one of the reasons NA pros think they are bad at this game compared to other reegions xD
Valorant scene is much smaller than csgo, smaller prize pool and less viewers, there are online events and like the most viewers is like 100k when there are finals , but usually it's around 50k viewers or less
Valorant is in a pretty good place for a game less than a year old. But orgs are banking hard that Riot know-how with LoL will translate seamlessly to Valorant (and not fail like Blizzard did with Overwatch League). IMO that's a pretty high risk bet on a field as crowded as FPS - if they lose their "flavor of the moment" status without a huge player base I'm not sure they'll be able to recover.
I never follow the scene cuz its pretty much the same as csgo and it is boring af. Plus the game has more negative review than positive review on metacritic so it must be in a pretty bad spot depending from experience
depends on whether or not he was cut, if he was cut VAL was his only option because EG and Liquid are the only valid NA teams
if he wasn't cut its a stupid decision because tier 1 VAL salaries are still not as good as tier 1 CS salaries + prizepool money
wants a new team, doesnt want to live in eu because of girlfriend (most likely), too good for other na teams besides liquid, hes the best player that moved from cs to val individually and only nitr0 would be more valuable in the current na valorant scene
i don't think that the esports part will be big or is big.
i played this game for couple days and there are 14 agents with each 4 abilities and they plan to add 6 per year.
it is already really messy and imo for a 3rd person game this huge amount of abilities is overwhelming from a viewer perspective. there is just way too much happening at the same time.
in LoL this is less of a problem, because half the game is laning phase which is manageable as a viewer and the teamfights arent that bad either, because you look from the top and not 3rd person.
tl:dr this game will end up like overwatch.
even if price money is more than it should the scene is composed by whased up csgo pros.
i would not follow it much coz is cs but for casuals and does not have the same skill gap that you can see in cs.
It will suffer the same that overwatch had, not fun to watch and not competitive enough