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anyone follow valorant scene? how big are the prize pools and the audience compared to cs? cuz i think the only good reason nahtE would leave a tier 1 cs team to play valorant is because of moneys, right?
2021-02-28 19:55
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hazed, hiko, reltuc plays in top teams. why would we follow to senior scene
2021-02-28 19:56
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Not for long
2021-02-28 20:02
+1 lol only NA washed ups play this childish shit for money of course. NA seriously have no competitive spirit in any game
2021-02-28 20:03
34 replies
nt jerman
2021-02-28 21:40
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#129
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Greece hekzy
Well its a fact. It's why you're shit in all esports
2021-03-01 03:02
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#136
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Hong Kong TROIIDA
But could it also partly be because of how society works in NA? In Europe, bothering with things such as paid studies and healthcare isn't an issue which would lead me to believe there is more room for an individual to hone their skills in videogames. Also any hope NA had of being relevant in CSGO died with IBP matchfixing.
2021-03-01 03:12
What is all esports lol, tell me what greece has done. I swear people who live in Europe act like its the continents achievements when they just riding a few countries success. Instead of saying EU> NA, why don't you look at greece vs us or Greece vs Canada. There isn't really any esports scene in NA outside of CA and the US, which is only 2 countries. There are 44 countries in Europe so you would expect them to have a lot more great teams. In terms of countries with the most esports success the US and Canada are both up there.
2021-03-01 06:03
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#157
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Sweden frozze90
I think the reason as to why the NA scene is suffering and players going over to valorant is because there isnt many paying orgs except Liquid and EG. example, freak and swole patrol tried to be relevant, but in the end they couldnt finance themselves and rather left for a game where there are fresh orgs willing to pay salarys so they could actually live off gaming.
2021-03-01 06:10
poor greek man you stomped him so hard he wont talk in the internet for a week
2021-03-01 06:30
8 replies
#181
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Greece hekzy
think again fakeflagger amerimut
2021-03-02 11:54
7 replies
do people even play cs in greece? what are you even doing there guys? cool thing you have internet tho
2021-03-02 11:57
you are actually atacking the guy like its his fault that na is not doing great at esports, even tho in sports afai they are doing great, even tho he just said you should not compare eu to usa
2021-03-02 12:00
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#185
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Greece hekzy
in esports they are the most rediculed region. the only game they are successful at is cod (KEKW) also idk how you managed to assume that i am attacking him personally, bold of you to assume i actually care about him.
2021-03-02 15:21
3 replies
well you called him a crybaby thats kinda mean
2021-03-02 15:23
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#187
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Greece hekzy
meh ive called people worse
2021-03-02 15:24
1 reply
understandable, have a nice day
2021-03-02 15:25
nt no scene Greece boosted country as usual.. go play minecraft
2021-03-03 16:02
#164
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Greece hekzy
great mentality comparing yourself to a small country. you're supposed to be a major region with major investors and you're still ass. If you want to be considered a major region and not just a bunch of talentless paycheck stealers, stop comparing yourselves to countries 1/50th your size lmao
2021-03-01 14:37
#165
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Greece hekzy
point here is i never said Greece > NA You're just a deluded crybaby, idgaf about greece. My point that NA is garbage stands
2021-03-01 14:38
11 replies
and my point is that NA isnt nearly as big as europe, so they should be expected to be worse. If you compare individual countries NA has some of the best.
2021-03-01 14:57
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#180
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Greece hekzy
You can't have it both ways. You either compare a 500m people region with a 700m people region and you account for those extra 200m. Or you don't compare a 320m country with a 10m country like denmark (even though you lose again). Some of the best MY ASS. You guys should have 70% as many teams in the top30 as EU. Same for players. Yet you are consistently stinking shit in every esport. Dota (dead), CSGO (dead), LoL (utter trash and soon to be dead). In LoL for example: If there are 2 eu teams making semis in Worlds you'd need to have 1 NA team making semis. Yet you have 0 teams getting out of groups, or even winning a single game. Funny isn't it? Even though NA players get paid more. And have more infastructure around them. Funny isn't it?
2021-03-02 11:53
4 replies
Can't agree more except for the ''csgo is dead part''
2021-03-03 09:35
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#206
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Greece hekzy
i meant NA csgo is dead
2021-03-03 10:55
2 replies
thats true, 500 million people only 2 teams close to top tear.
2021-03-03 11:34
1 reply
Maybe not everyone want to look at a monitor all day. What a geek.
2021-03-03 16:06
NA is a region as is EU so comparing NA to smaller countries like Greece is not right. But I saw someone saying that one of the key things to success in the EU is that you don't have to pay as much for education thus you can invest more money and time into your interests outside of your studies. Like in the U.S you can get a scholarship to play basketball for example. If a similar solution would be applied to producing eSports talent, that would most certainly lead to U.S most likely being on top of eSports.
2021-03-03 12:48
you can’t show off when you haven’t even accomplished anything relevant since 1452
2021-03-02 21:07
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#201
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Greece hekzy
"point here is I never said greece > NA" Where did i show off? Typical imbecilic amerimut fakeflagger with reading comprehension issues
2021-03-03 09:21
2 replies
which leads to #152
2021-03-03 13:01
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#212
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Greece hekzy
0IQ
2021-03-03 14:15
DK, French and swedish CS > NA cs actually
2021-03-01 06:05
3 replies
Swedish cs hasnt done anything since early cs, but I do agree. France and sweeden are 2 of the most accomplished countries when it comes to cs.
2021-03-01 15:04
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#182
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Greece hekzy
And Dota. And LoL.
2021-03-02 11:55
1 reply
this isnt about either of those games though.
2021-03-03 20:24
all esports? lmao EU got shit stop at the last invite in Siege by NA and BR with SSG winning the whole thing Esports isn't 3 games tzatziki for brains
2021-03-03 16:35
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#237
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Greece hekzy
Dota (shit). LoL (even greece > NA). Csgo (shit). Starcraft (shit). Whatelse?
2021-03-03 18:43
Its all about money dude.. not where u are from racist bastard
2021-03-03 15:56
#32
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North America joeS
+1 retirement home game
2021-02-28 20:15
3 replies
lmfaoooo valorant is where old men go to retire xDDDD
2021-02-28 20:24
2 replies
#126
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Slovakia Daev0n
Don't say that or olof and GuardiaN will move to that shit scene as well.
2021-03-01 02:53
1 reply
No its where washed people who wanted to keep playing but couldn't go. Olof and guardian choosing to retire, not forced to.
2021-03-01 06:04
hazed and cutler play for TSM. TSM was good a few months ago though they're looking like a tier 2 team atm
2021-02-28 20:51
Audience:0 Biggest prize pool:50000$
2021-02-28 19:56
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2021-02-28 20:17
16 replies
Weebs and reditors doesn't count
2021-02-28 20:21
1 reply
#116
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Peru TheJuan
so csgo will lose 80% of its viewers
2021-02-28 23:52
100K is ninja for sure.
2021-02-28 20:23
1 reply
ninja gets 30
2021-02-28 20:59
#123
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Netherlands poeya1
now make a screenshot when Shroud is offline
2021-03-01 02:23
#127
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Slovakia Daev0n
Just chatting - 300k. What has this world come to....
2021-03-01 02:54
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#147
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Asia Torsyen
Normally girls showing boobs booty are in just chatting category
2021-03-01 04:16
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#148
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Slovakia Daev0n
Yes, that's what I was talking about. It's just not normal that that many people watch it.
2021-03-01 04:40
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#220
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Austria SplasJ
way to many degenerates on twitch/ social media that dont have anything better to do ^-^
2021-03-03 15:48
1 reply
Like you?
2021-03-03 17:08
that's with all the tournaments happening and players like shroud and sykkuno playing
2021-03-01 03:02
bronze boobie streamers doesn't count. I saw during one of the VCT tournament or something only had 2k viewers. Its such a horrible and shit game to spectate.
2021-03-01 05:14
4 replies
LMAO literally right now, no tournaments, just streamers (no shroud or ninja btw, only regular players and pros) i.imgur.com/PyuLmzw.jpeg VALORANT has 6x more viewers than CSGO and you talk it's a "horrible game to spectate". Apparently, facts > your fragile feelings.
2021-03-01 06:10
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#161
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United States Slyckz
think he was talking about esports side, not streamers, and in that regard, its literally nothing compared to cs
2021-03-01 06:26
cus NA
2021-03-01 14:45
Read my comment again. I was talking about esports side by clearly saying VCT TOURNAMENT OR SOMETHING! You cheese burger loving orange man worshipping illiterate 0 iq murican. Learn from your brother Slyckz at least please. Stop embarrassing yourself and NA please. Also, i not sure why stupid, bimbo and skinless noob woman streamers like Pokiman and Nekolul are playing Valorant nowadays instead of just sticking to Just Chatting.
2021-03-03 09:16
But players salaries is bigger than
2021-02-28 21:19
1 reply
Salaries for the most part are smaller according to people in the scene however; your bigger names like nitr0, Ethan, ScreaM etc. have similar CSGO salaries...
2021-03-02 17:50
he left because he was probably burnt out on cs, money was better, he could play from home, not from eu
2021-02-28 19:56
14 replies
true Imagine playing same game 12h/day for idk 7 years
2021-02-28 19:57
13 replies
ye thats why messi will retire from football and play tennis
2021-02-28 20:11
12 replies
lul
2021-02-28 20:15
+1
2021-02-28 20:21
#46
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Denmark BadTakes
kkkk
2021-02-28 20:26
lmao
2021-02-28 20:41
Retk'DDDD =D
2021-02-28 20:44
Lmao funny af xD
2021-02-28 21:05
lol
2021-02-28 21:21
well didn't Micheal Jordan pull this move?
2021-02-28 22:48
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#101
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Portugal dracø
yeah, but not cuz he was bored
2021-02-28 22:54
LOL YE
2021-03-01 02:26
rofl
2021-03-01 06:06
Limao
2021-03-01 06:13
I think its because how alive and thriving NA scene for Valorant is, involvement of devs and csgo is a stale game: same maps and same everything. Also good money Not to mention valorant is more marketable (no terrorists, bombs (ofc there is spike but not IRL c4), more cartoonish (attracting casual players too)
2021-02-28 20:00
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#33
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North America joeS
"stale game same maps and everything" so you talking bout valorant or what? its got 4 maps and only 1 of them is halfway good. I do not understand this comment at all lmaooooo
2021-02-28 20:17
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#37
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United States codgun
CS not only has more official gamemodes with more variation, it also has twice that in community gamemodes lmao
2021-02-28 20:20
6 replies
Valorant has 5 game modes (Unrated, Competitive, Deathmatch, Spike Rush, Escalation).
2021-02-28 21:40
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#121
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United States codgun
CSGO Official: Comp, Casual, DM, Arms Race, Demolition, Flying Scoutsman, Guardian, Unranked, and Wingman Community: Bhop, kz, jailbreak, surf, 1v1, ffa (with many variations), and many more
2021-03-01 01:55
4 replies
Yeah, because cs has like 10000 years more than valorant, what a retard logic lol
2021-03-01 20:48
Come on dude... CS been around for 20+ years... CSGO is literally the 3rd iteration of the same game lol. Of course CSGO will be more complete then Valorant lol. Dont make NA look crazy bruh
2021-03-02 17:51
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#194
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United States codgun
Completely irrelevant as long as Riot is unable to make anything on the scale of the Steam Workshop. I never said anything about the potential of the game, only that currently CS has more and produces more content than Valorant which is true. If you enjoy a specific gamemode within Valorant more than what currently is developed in CS' community then none of this really matters but CS simply has more things to do than Valorant and likely always will.
2021-03-02 21:04
1 reply
Lol was talking more about the official modes & content itself not really the steam workshop or mod community but hey. I hear ya bud...
2021-03-02 21:28
your not stupid right? you know that valorant is a new game so he has a point still?
2021-02-28 20:24
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#47
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North America joeS
Oh? You're* not stupid, right? iscoq? 15 abilities flying across your screen with wallhacking characters and cartoon rocket launchers LMAO bruh, stfu. this game is for kids and kids only. trash movement, trash gunplay with random spray pattern after 6 bullets, stuuuupid agent updates all the time with no new maps lmao icebox was garbage, what else? Want me to keep moving on?
2021-02-28 20:26
9 replies
did i ever defend the abilites you idiot, who the f actually asked? i said he has point when it comes to valorant and maps.
2021-02-28 20:34
8 replies
#51
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Denmark urm@m
ignroe him lol. What an idiot, if he doesnt like the game then he doesnt have to.
2021-02-28 20:36
3 replies
#55
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North America joeS
ignroe him lol
2021-02-28 20:46
2 replies
#66
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Denmark urm@m
gj for spotting a typo, trophy for u my son
2021-02-28 21:01
1 reply
#74
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North America joeS
it's my thing
2021-02-28 21:13
#54
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North America joeS
you said that because valorant is new that it is not stale? it is stale from day 1 lmao retirement home game
2021-02-28 20:46
3 replies
#122
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France Nairelav
Ye, I believe leaf vanity food s0m (you want more names?) were close to retirement
2021-03-01 02:09
2 replies
#125
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North America joeS
All t2 names? every single one of those names does not excite me at all except vanity (it TICKLES me)
2021-03-01 02:34
#142
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United States Swadplan
>food washed >s0m 1 good tourney, was playing like shit before he moved >leaf onliner, and 3rd best player on his team
2021-03-01 03:57
well new map is coming as well, yes atm map pool is small but it keeps increasing. I personally didnt play valorant since beta in june/may 2020 until november 2020 but still did not like it. In beta is was lowkey fun but now too many abilities and somethings you cannot control makes me dislike the game. Wolves, turrets, invisible heroes, rpg and etc. Not for me, gunplay (headshots) are good but abilities ruin for me My point is that we have been playing dust 2, mirage, inferno, nuke, train and etc for years literally same maps, they brought vertigo which is a bit of a mess for competitive. Which map is in horizon to be added? Yes cache literally same map with few adjustments so nothing new again
2021-02-28 20:28
>4 maps Ascent‎ Bind Haven Split Icebox you CS fanboy can't even count smh
2021-02-28 21:38
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#134
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Indonesia kiryuki
but we can count how many people defending that trash game is
2021-03-01 03:10
Valve really needs to rotate the map pool more often. Always the same maps to watch and play. MM is 90% Mirage
2021-03-01 20:36
5 replies
yes that what I mean! I dont say maps are bad but playing same maps all the time is boring for years.
2021-03-01 20:43
I legit have more fun playing Train than I do Mirage
2021-03-03 09:42
so why queue mirage? you can literally select what maps you play
2021-03-03 14:43
1 reply
#222
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Austria SplasJ
yeah i havent played mirage in a year
2021-03-03 15:50
To be fair, you can just click mirage off.
2021-03-03 16:10
#5
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Lebanon Dogman69
since all big orgs are there, especially NA, then salaries are huge and once franchise league is announced, salaries will be 5x higher
2021-02-28 19:57
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#21
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Greece m3s0v
franchise league. meaning?
2021-02-28 20:10
7 replies
#24
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Estonia qoznyyy
like LCS/LEC
2021-02-28 20:13
like lol. just specific teams compete every year, u dont have an ‘easy’ way to grind for it.
2021-02-28 20:13
#26
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Lebanon Dogman69
like Na sports, NBA, NHL etc. You buy a spot, no relegation or qualifiers. Riot will announce it soon and it will be region based basically like it is in League of Legends
2021-02-28 20:14
4 replies
#35
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Greece m3s0v
So like taking for instance top30 csgo teams and spliting them in two groups?
2021-02-28 20:18
2 replies
#36
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Lebanon Dogman69
doesnt matter, you just have to buy a spot in the league, so all big orgs like 100T, TSM etc will be there most likely since others dont have money
2021-02-28 20:19
Just like NBA for example you can win 0 matches but you will be still in the league Also franchise mean that orgs needs to pay at least the salary cap ground-limit That's why salaries gonna be bigger than they are now
2021-02-28 23:02
Never understood that idea, you isolate it from newer talents and big upsets
2021-03-01 03:12
Nope. You can't compare League there with loL and Dota. First of all, if sponsors demand viewer in Europe, they will not pay as much as they do in loL cuz in Europe you get not much viewer. Second is it is still a shooter football clubs etc will not join this market. third you compete with an open league in cs where young kids grow up with. I mean s1mple played cs since he was 4. How will RIOT beat this by money only argument?
2021-02-28 21:19
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#82
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Lebanon Dogman69
can you stop with the "there are terrorists in this game" meme already? nobody gives a fuck about it, the sponsors or viewers. CSGO target audience is young adults not karen boomers. sponsors try to sell you logitech mouse and redbull, not rolex or gardening tools
2021-02-28 21:20
5 replies
this is no meme. In my country, it is always a political topic. So when you have no idea shut the fuck up. Schalke who has a LoL team and the brother of the esl founder as the manager who knows exactly what esports is denies to invest in csgo teams cuz of this issue. Hoeneß president of Bayern münchen said he would never invest in "Killerspiele". Mercedes is a big sponsor in ESL Dota but not in CSGO... VW sponsor a lot in Fifa but not in CS SAP sponsored in Dota and Liquid but not in CS. It is no meme it reality that shooter have still a big marketing issue. Especially on big companies that would bring a lot of money.
2021-02-28 21:27
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#88
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Lebanon Dogman69
so you think these corps will market in Valorant lol? they wont also sponsor COD etc its not a problem with CS:GO, its a problem with "Killerspiele" FPS in general
2021-02-28 21:31
2 replies
Nope as I said they will not join the market... I already wrote that will be an issue for Valorant as well. And COD has success in Europe? nope. You need that compassion "no matter what" to bring CS to the level as it is today. It would never happen when ESL in 2001 waited until a big sponsor said "CS is great".
2021-02-28 21:36
they actually do sponsor cod, cod has had many big sponsors like pepsi, us air force, etc
2021-03-03 14:45
It is also what they feel like is a good place to invest, Audi still did it with Astralis after all Although it may seem unfavorable to invest for a big audience, in the western world id imagine no one would really care tbh
2021-03-01 03:15
#7
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United States xiquo
I think once LAN events come out it will get bigger
2021-02-28 19:59
i watch it regularly, everything is small compare to cs, except of na and asian scene maybe. but its alright for an 8-9 months game
2021-02-28 20:00
#9
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Argentina RommelLP095
The only place in the world where the Valorant triumphs is in NA haha yakees and their strange tastes
2021-02-28 20:01
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#31
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Lebanon Dogman69
they will suck at it like they do in LoL or Dota compared to other regions
2021-02-28 20:15
#162
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United States Slyckz
even then liquid has a bigger fanbase than any valorant team eg is not far off too
2021-03-01 06:28
Prize pools and fan base are much smaller but the paychecks are very nice I’ve heard since the game is sponsorship friendly
2021-02-28 20:01
I follow Valorant and Riot is simply a better company in terms of support, patches, content, listening to feedback, communication. I mean it's night and day... Not saying Val >> CSGO I'm speaking on Riot as a company. CSGO premier tactical FPS playvalorant.com/en-gb/news/esports/anno.. liquipedia.net/valorant/VALORANT_Champio.. They have huge sponsors already and... I mean... It's what u expect from Riot.
2021-02-28 20:02
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I strongly disagree with you. It's hard to compare Riot and Valve in terms of patches and content. CS is more complete game comparing to Valorant. I mean that Riot has to work a lot on Valorant because otherwise game will die pretty soon. Valorant is pretty fresh and has almost nothing yet Valve biggest problem is that it's hard to add a lot of content to CS because it has almost everything what community wants for now. Also there is a big problem because of the game code that is pretty old and it's hard to work with it (That what've seen on reddit from ex valve developer) There is one more thing that is great from Valve. They gave an opportunity for the community to bring a lot of content in game by the community itself (like coop maps, retakes, kz, bhop, surf, even among us and so on) P.S. I don't say that Valve>Riot but Valve obviously deserves a respect for what they have done
2021-02-28 20:24
3 replies
Valve definitely deserve there flowers absolutely... I mean there community support is and will always be NUMBER 1! The skins, maps, mods, etc etc. It's one of the main reasons the community is so strong. Now, CSGO is the 3rd iteration of what is a 20+ year old game... So yes, CSGO is much more complete then an 8 month game like Valorant... But let's be realistic here... Riot releases a patch for Val every 2 weeks.. 2 WEEKS! lol. They release new content every 2 months which include a new agent, & battle pass at minimum. They also release Big updates every 6 months for things like maps, reworking rank, etc. And look at there esport scene in less then a year... I mean they designed a system for almost every region in the world lol. Except India cuz uhh idk China. Both companies are amazing at what they do and I dont want to discredit Valve cuz I love there games. But bro, outside of the community and a random operation there support IMO is lackluster. IMO... If you feel differently thats cool. But R6: Siege has more support & content then CSGO.
2021-02-28 20:33
2 replies
Have you seen how many patches did CS:GO had when it came out? :) Same question with releasing new maps. There were like 50-80 maps for sure released by Valve. Most of them were removed later of course. I didn't play Valorant since September - October if I'm not wrong. But aren't battle pass as well as the skins just a waste of money? I mean that it's not even possible to sell your skins. They are realising tons of new skins that usually are better than previous and forcing community to spend even more on pricey skins that are worthless. Since August (when I played with my friends a lot) I've seen that a huge part of the Valorant community were asking Riot for a marketplace and as I know Riot will never create it. So they do care a lot about money (as well as Valve do) but don't really care about the community at all :) I respect and understand your point of view bro but I still don't really agree with you.
2021-02-28 21:02
1 reply
It's really not possible to sell skins in ANY game lol... Valve titles and a handful of others use the market place but look at PUBG, Fortnite, Siege, CoD, Rocket League, LoL, etc etc. I mean... However; I sold my WoW acct back in the day so thats the loop hole if you're trying to sell. But yeh I'll leave it at that... Lets agree to disagree lol... +1 buddy
2021-02-28 21:08
Riot looks better than Valve because Riot cares about their game.Valve has thrown away csgo.They are sucking the shit out of Dota 2,Gaben goes to majors and Valve helps to improve price pool,but csgo receives none of those.Csgo is like stepchild to Valve.Only reason for CSGO to be alive today is its community and esport teams' investment
2021-02-28 21:30
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#144
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Indonesia LosD
+1
2021-03-01 04:13
#223
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Austria SplasJ
riot as a company is a lot worse than valve imo but I would agree that the valorant devs are for sure more active than csgo devs. But company wise valve is miles ahead
2021-03-03 15:52
#14
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Andorra Buldogeusz
max 10000$
2021-02-28 20:04
weeb shooter full of magic and shit for people that like comic book movies
2021-02-28 20:05
4 replies
idk if u play for some time u didnt really feel those magic things. maybe ults can be very annoying sometimes, but other than that pretty standard fps
2021-02-28 20:14
3 replies
Played it enough to undestand that its garbage
2021-02-28 21:23
2 replies
+1
2021-02-28 21:43
+1
2021-03-01 15:14
There is quite a lot of money, and Riot is involved creating a franchise. VCT or whatever league. so its easier for orgs to get along there, they probably wont lose as much money compared to CS. But lets be honest, Team Liquid, 100T, NRG, TSM, and a few others that have mostly CS:GO washed up players and players who left for valorant because "Cs iS DyInG" are literally not winning any of the big tournaments. Which is a good reality check. Many young guns, and people who dont know about before, who lived up playing valorant only, are much better xD.
2021-02-28 20:05
1 reply
Didn't 100T win the major?
2021-03-03 09:46
The average salary for LoL in America is like $410,000. Top players get over a million. If valorant continue to grow and Riot takes good care of it, salaries will inflate.
2021-02-28 20:06
1 reply
Well the minimum salary in LEC is 320K/year so i assume average salary in NA is much much bigger since it's 2nd richest league after China
2021-02-28 23:08
#18
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Peru TenoriPEEK
ETHAN MOVES TO VALORANT AND HE IS GOING TO PLAY FOR 100THIEVES WTF :,C
2021-02-28 20:07
Not interesting enough to follow yet, for now it's mostly just either washed-up CS:GO pros, former blatant cheaters *cough cough* subroza *cough cough*, there are exceptions obviously but for now it's basically just a retirement home for former csgo pros who for one reason or another can't compete in CS:GO anymore.
2021-02-28 20:08
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#96
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Estonia FancyFitty
+1
2021-02-28 21:48
#224
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Austria SplasJ
+1 might be worth to look at in a year or so
2021-03-03 15:53
Uma coisa é certa, em 1-2 anos o valorant estara maior que o cs em questoes de premiação. A riot é mt melhor q a valve, e sempre ta atendendo os pedidos dos players
2021-02-28 20:09
last time i watched hey got around 10k depending on the team playing, and riot is doing the same they do with LoL, they organize their own tournaments, divide them by region with prize pool being around 30-150k, and them make 2 or 3 "major" a year with big prizes, its not huge right now but its consistent so teams get in because still a platform for ADS so there will be money, and considering that valorant still a new e-sport (dont even had a real champion or world championship yet) its actually good money
2021-02-28 20:11
its pretty simple dude, he recently bought a house and has a gf and with the pandemic he would rather not be in another continent for half of the year
2021-02-28 20:15
Tier 2 cs players have bigger salaries than tier 1 valorant players (except 100T), I hope that answers your question.
2021-02-28 20:23
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#145
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Indonesia LosD
any source article or something?
2021-03-01 04:14
Valorant is overall better than csgo as an eSport long term, and csgo needs valorant (competition) toget better and better, this way csgo is going to improve faster, i prefer csgo over valorant but hey valorant its not a bad game tbh, i can play both games regularily and get good at both since they're have almost the same gamemode and shooting mechanics.
2021-02-28 20:22
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#226
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Austria SplasJ
i feel like the shooting mechanics are quite different. I mean yeah they are similar in a general view but you still cant say that they are in direct competition. I dont understand how so many people see it as either valorant or csgo as they really are quite different overall
2021-03-03 15:55
1 reply
Yeah, they are different games but in the same genre, VALORANT is basically a familyfriendly and new version of CS game mode, R6 its a waaaaaaay different game but is in the same genre but it isnt a direct competitor like VALORANT is, i mean LOL its a better product than Dota2 in the same genre, take it like an example, VALORANT would be basically the same but obviously it depends of the liking of the players.
2021-03-11 01:12
the viewership online is much smaller than an cs and same goes with prizepools
2021-02-28 20:34
2 replies
Because CSGO is 8 years old and Valorant not even a year.
2021-02-28 23:05
1 reply
ik he just asked where it was
2021-02-28 23:18
#56
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Poland dziad5
its gay game. for gay old and noskill cs go players
2021-02-28 20:48
1 reply
#57
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Poland FitPolak
No minuses at this point
2021-02-28 20:50
#59
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Netherlands BigBoyTies
The 3 biggest tournaments in peak viewers were Twitch Rivals, 100T Invitational and First Strike NA, with 700k, 400k and 300k respectively. The 3 biggest tournaments in prize pool were the 3 First Strikes (EU, NA, Korea) + Twitch Rivals with 100k.
2021-02-28 20:51
Why leave for a DOA game.
2021-02-28 20:52
Hard to compare it to CS because the game came out not even a year ago. It's going to take time to build a community and viewership. For me personally the game is more fun to play than CS because it's 128 tick and people are actually playing in west coast NA unlike CSGO so I don't have to wait 10 minutes or more for a game.
2021-02-28 20:56
1 reply
2nd part makes me confused Is it possible to play from East Coast on EU faceit servers? (London, Paris or Madrid) Ofc Northeast not southeast
2021-02-28 23:11
like its honestly gonna get bigger as time goes, possibly bigger than cs because the game is already growing much more than CS in Asia region and NA scene is gonna die and move to valorant pretty soon. Also if one region dominates, that region is gonna play more valorant as well. Its way more popular between streamers, less hackers and updates/fixes are much faster. If there wasnt a covid, firststrike prize pool combined woulda been pretty massive when its only the first riot tourney
2021-02-28 20:58
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#158
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United States 3manu3l
Name checks out
2021-03-01 06:13
#63
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Lithuania Sedge
NA scene purely, EU doesnt care about that game. if they did, they would dominate it.
2021-02-28 20:58
4 replies
Why dont you make any more video?
2021-02-28 21:33
3 replies
#173
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Lithuania Sedge
no real good answer tbh, just lazy i guess. :/
2021-03-01 19:14
2 replies
make new videos or reported
2021-03-01 20:20
1 reply
#190
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Lithuania Sedge
i try
2021-03-02 17:13
new_gen_brainfart_retard_topic MUTED.
2021-02-28 20:59
Their first strike tournament had 300k viewers. Katowice had what, 500k today? Riot knows how to do esports, valve is lazy sacks of shit. CS and Dota are the superior games for sure to League and Valorant, but that doesn't matter. Valorant will overtake CS in 2 years.
2021-02-28 21:07
2 replies
Dota superior over LoL? In what way, if I may ask?
2021-02-28 23:06
1 reply
It's a much deeper game with a higher skill ceiling. Similar to how CS:GO has more mechanics than Valorant. This leads to a lot of theory crafting, and a more interesting game overall. But much less accessible to casuals. Here are some mechanics that Dota has that LoL doesn't: -jungle stacking -denying -juggling creep aggro -orb walking -turn rate -neutral items -most items have actives -trilaning -every hero has different power spikes and some are hard countered by others, making the draft insanely important -heroes are not shoehorned into a single role, some supports can be played mid, or carry -almost every hero has a purpose -rune control and runes in general I could go on. I have not played League since 2013 though, so maybe the game is deeper now, but I doubt it. I usually tune in around the world championships and the game hasn't changed much except for like 1 new creep camp, a few new items, the drakes, and an early version of a nashor that helps you take towers. It's also sad to see only new heroes dominating the meta cuz Riot wants to sell RP.
2021-03-01 00:37
I can say from a ex German cs Pro player he had daily streams 700-1000k viewer since he plays valorant he only has 200 viewer. Valorant is shit and even if RIOT would start a closed league as in LoL it will have not much success. Europe is the cs base and that will not change by money. Surprise here in Europe people love the games they play and watch and some teams as mouzsports have a long history in cs you can't transport that Fanbase to another game.
2021-02-28 21:09
#72
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Lebanon Dogman69
all cs go washed ups going to NA Valorant to eventually get rekted by EU like in cs:go
2021-02-28 21:11
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#75
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United States Shr3y
Asia scene is much faster growing in valorant i think only EU is where valorant is slow. I guess EU doesn't like ability based games
2021-02-28 21:13
2 replies
#76
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Lebanon Dogman69
probably will become more popular in EU, CS:GO is just culturally too relevant in Europe to lose popularity fast to Valorant.
2021-02-28 21:15
#146
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Indonesia LosD
yep asia val scene is like in the peak
2021-03-01 04:15
#73
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United States Shr3y
Valorant is a big deal everywhere except EU maybe in Asia, it's growing really fast
2021-02-28 21:12
Valorant = CS for retired pros
2021-02-28 21:16
Valorant is the CSGO retirement home lol. All the washed NA players or pug stars who never made it go there. Game is pretty boring. Their matches are lucky to get 20k on twitch or break 5k on YouTube. I’m immortal and takes 5-10 minutes for a queue just for someone to dodge at times. Game is pretty much dead, all the generated hype is gone. Give it a year or so before it officially dies.
2021-02-28 21:17
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steamdb.info/servers/ CS is literally dead in our region bro. I'm Diamond 3 and I can get a comp game in valorant in 2-3 minutes usually, meanwhile I'm DMG and it usually takes like 10-15 minutes to find a csgo mm game, just for it to be east coast or BR game with 100 ping.
2021-02-28 21:53
2 replies
NA CS isn’t dead dude lol. I’ve legit never had to wait 10-15 mins ever for CS and I’m LE. Maybe if you’re queuing maps like Agency or something dumb. That part doesn’t make sense. Valorant is made for noobs. That is a reason why a lot of new players like it. It’s easy, I think you can agree to that. The skill gap is a lot lower compared to CS. Diamond 3 is a good rank but even when I was diamond, I was surprised how many players were in that rank with terrible movement but decent aim (not saying you’re bad but just in general). I just can’t play that game with Run and gun and rng spraying. The awful maps with 9000 corners/angles to clear doesn’t help either. Sorry for rant, didn’t mean to make it this long.
2021-02-28 22:47
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The maps are definitely the worst part about the game right now, also unavoidable flashes are really annoying too because Phoenix and others can throw perfect pop flashes with a click. Not sure when you've played last but they've removed a lot of the annoying corners and angles and they also just recently nerfed run and gun to where you don't see it as much. The game is not perfect but I'm having more fun playing it right now than CS, but I've been playing csgo on and off since it came out in 2012 so maybe I'm just burnt out on it at this point. I still prefer watching pro CSGO matches over valorant, but valorant esports is in its infancy so it shouldn't really be judged.
2021-02-28 23:53
waiting for LAN
2021-02-28 21:20
#87
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Slovakia VERGiLx
All these people salty about Valorant is like SC2 fans talking shit about how LOL will never overtake it. We all know how that turned out. Riot is better developer than Valve, and they created modern esports model, nobody can compete with them in this category. There are zoomers now who didnt grow up with 1.6/Source, for them CS is not legendary name, its just another game with outdated graphics and mechanics. It will be same as with Dota, League is bigger everywhere but in CIS, Valorant will be bigger everywhere but CIS and maybe Europe. Once Riot pulls franchised league with guaranteed profits teams like G2 will drop their CS team for Valorant if they see profit, Ocelote came from League and he knows Riot, G2 has no historic ties to CS.
2021-02-28 21:30
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i wanted to like the game but it has inferior mechanics,maps and terrible graphics. so even if i think valorant sucks i don't really care about it being bigger than cs as long as pro cs scene doesn't die out and we can watch some banger games like navi-liquid last week. skins and free market made csgo this big anyway not the game itself.
2021-02-28 23:05
5 replies
Yeah Valve cannot let CS die cuz they would be swarmed by all these millionaires who bought all this skins etc By adding skins they literally made CS immortal
2021-02-28 23:18
4 replies
which also prevents new cs from coming out, they will wait until csgo will be dead af to make this happen.
2021-02-28 23:25
2 replies
I think new game not gonna happen, when Valorant will get closer they will just pull rabbit out of the hat if not then Valve is literally 0iq
2021-02-28 23:28
1 reply
hahaha but valve can be a 0iq of their own they waited for everyone to forget what half-life was before releasing new shit
2021-02-28 23:32
It's will be undead just like TF2. No updates, no support, just bots farming skins on idle servers.
2021-03-01 06:22
I love CS and have played it for years, but the game is fucking dead in NA. steamdb.info/servers/ 3k players on west coast NA, not many more for east coast too. Probably most of those players are silver/gold nova, I'm DMG rank and it takes me 15 minutes just to find a comp game these days. Just no excitement around the game at all, playerbase is toxic and bored. FACEIT and ESEA for NA is even more dead. Also 128 tick servers, unrated mode that is actually 5v5, much newer and better engine that doesn't feel like shit. Don't blame Ethan for leaving this game, because it's dying in our region while Valorant is thriving.
2021-02-28 21:45
8 replies
How about FACEIT/ESEA queue? Does it takes similar time to find the match?
2021-02-28 23:15
6 replies
FACEIT can take 10 minutes too and it's usually east coast or texas server so I'll have shitty ping, also FACEIT anticheat makes the game feel like shit for me and I have a 2080 and i7-9700k. I haven't had ESEA in a couple years but it's definitely better. It's hard to justify the monthly fee though because I'll go long stretches without playing.
2021-02-28 23:47
4 replies
Does Riot has somehow superior servers for their games? My country fellow from LoL called Caps could play on Chinese super server or Korean one straight from Berlin Also one more question does Valorant has big impact on OWL scene? CoD is prolly untouched cuz they're playing on consoles
2021-03-01 00:16
3 replies
Yeah Riot servers are better for sure. Almost all the high level OWL players from NA switched to Valorant so OW is pretty much a Korean/Chinese game now for the highest levels, still definitely a playerbase in NA but it's mostly just casual players. OW2 might change that but it's still over a year from release.
2021-03-01 00:22
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#225
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Lebanon Dogman69
bruh Riot has server only in Chicago for LoL, so half the playerbase has to play with like 60 ping. It's actually one of the reasons NA pros think they are bad at this game compared to other reegions xD
2021-03-03 15:56
1 reply
damn really? I never played LoL but they have servers all over the country for Valorant and I get lower ping on them than csgo servers.
2021-03-03 22:33
esea/faceit q times are long and ranks are inflated af due to all the semi pro players leaving
2021-03-01 03:04
makes sense tbh, the ppl who play mm are casuals and valorant took all of the casual players, sad
2021-03-01 03:09
#100
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Sweden hilebard
salaries are large because teams are investing a lot to get into the scene. Prize pools are still quite low
2021-02-28 22:52
salaries are overinflated because na orgs are stupid
2021-02-28 23:16
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#131
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Slovakia VERGiLx
They are not stupid, they are banking on the fact that esports will become huge in the future and those millions they pay now will give them great returns
2021-03-01 03:03
#139
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United Kingdom fal36
+1 Then theyll complain that the scene is unsustainable for orgs
2021-03-01 03:19
1 reply
+1 then they will leave for the next hype game like among us esports or something, and overinflate salaries there
2021-03-10 15:05
Money is good and you don't have to live in eu for half a year
2021-03-01 03:03
#138
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Indonesia kiryuki
Still a dogshit game
2021-03-01 03:18
#140
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United Kingdom fal36
Most teams filled with paycheck stealers Give it a year and the young talent will come through and displace all the mdl level cs players
2021-03-01 03:22
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#221
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Lebanon Dogman69
nah, the mdl pros are gatekeeping and only picking friends to orgs
2021-03-03 15:49
Valorant scene is much smaller than csgo, smaller prize pool and less viewers, there are online events and like the most viewers is like 100k when there are finals , but usually it's around 50k viewers or less
2021-03-01 03:22
Paycheck from orgs is whats keeping the scene alive. Other than that its as fragile as the 2013-2014 csgo scene
2021-03-01 04:10
1 reply
When reltuc,hiko,hazed are pro players you already know it xD
2021-03-01 14:52
Valorant is in a pretty good place for a game less than a year old. But orgs are banking hard that Riot know-how with LoL will translate seamlessly to Valorant (and not fail like Blizzard did with Overwatch League). IMO that's a pretty high risk bet on a field as crowded as FPS - if they lose their "flavor of the moment" status without a huge player base I'm not sure they'll be able to recover.
2021-03-01 04:54
4 replies
This is the most accurate way to explain it.
2021-03-01 20:50
It's gonna fail, not enough viewership because the game is simply trash. Here's an example what happens when there's no profit for RIOT. dotesports.com/league-of-legends/news/oc..
2021-03-02 17:18
2 replies
#219
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Lebanon Dogman69
Australian CS omegalul
2021-03-03 15:48
1 reply
Exactly lol.
2021-03-03 18:46
I never follow the scene cuz its pretty much the same as csgo and it is boring af. Plus the game has more negative review than positive review on metacritic so it must be in a pretty bad spot depending from experience
2021-03-01 05:17
depends on whether or not he was cut, if he was cut VAL was his only option because EG and Liquid are the only valid NA teams if he wasn't cut its a stupid decision because tier 1 VAL salaries are still not as good as tier 1 CS salaries + prizepool money
2021-03-01 14:42
i heard 100t has a roster that actually works on lan and can be the nip of valorant by the looks of it
2021-03-01 14:58
wants a new team, doesnt want to live in eu because of girlfriend (most likely), too good for other na teams besides liquid, hes the best player that moved from cs to val individually and only nitr0 would be more valuable in the current na valorant scene
2021-03-01 20:28
The winner of the valorant major only got 40k in prize money soooo
2021-03-02 15:25
1 reply
CS source and first CS tourneys had a prizepool of 3 to 10k for the winners... I'm talking about big tourneys :D
2021-03-03 09:18
no stupid irrelevant game and stupid question ur stupid dont ask nobody asked so nobody cares
2021-03-03 09:19
i think the name looks cool " VALORANT" in italics its nice
2021-03-03 09:21
i don't think that the esports part will be big or is big. i played this game for couple days and there are 14 agents with each 4 abilities and they plan to add 6 per year. it is already really messy and imo for a 3rd person game this huge amount of abilities is overwhelming from a viewer perspective. there is just way too much happening at the same time. in LoL this is less of a problem, because half the game is laning phase which is manageable as a viewer and the teamfights arent that bad either, because you look from the top and not 3rd person. tl:dr this game will end up like overwatch.
2021-03-03 09:44
i mean in 2022 it can be a big esport if all the leagues are established and the player doesnt fall off
2021-03-03 14:45
#217
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Germany Droidd
prize pools small as of rn but wait til international event + 100T buyout and paycheck are huge. Would you rather get big bucks smurfing on NA in val or getting shit on EU in cs??
2021-03-03 14:50
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#218
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Lebanon Dogman69
who the fuck cares about prize pool in a Riot game
2021-03-03 15:44
Nadeshot SUPER desperate for his little Valorant project OMEGALUL
2021-03-03 16:17
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#233
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Germany Droidd
Exactly
2021-03-03 16:23
even if price money is more than it should the scene is composed by whased up csgo pros. i would not follow it much coz is cs but for casuals and does not have the same skill gap that you can see in cs. It will suffer the same that overwatch had, not fun to watch and not competitive enough
2021-03-03 16:32
This game is highly boring to watch even when tier 1 teams are playing..
2021-03-03 20:33
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