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It has to be easier to break into the pro scene.
Farlig | 
Sweden CrZCSGO 
I think it's way to hard atm the only way it's possible as a solo player is to play fpl which requieres more luck than skill seeing as there are so many steps to the qualification that you have to win. In other games it's much easier, and honestly I think there are so many players out there that are more than good enough to make it, but don't see a point even trying. The only country where you can make it without FPL is Denmark and just look at the Danish scene.
2021-03-03 13:46
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allu | 
Finland _Top1
Just make a twitch account and target 6 year old ukranians as your main fanbase and ez
2021-03-03 13:49
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that's the way.
2021-03-03 13:57
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Romania Anonym20
for solo it's fpl but the most easy way is esea, find 4 good teammates and play in esea open and grind from there
2021-03-03 13:49
17 replies
I know, but it's even harder to build a team and play your way to the top.
2021-03-03 13:57
16 replies
It's not supposed to be easy
2021-03-03 13:58
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He is right though. In other games you can just play ranked matchmaking and stream and if you are very high up on the ladder scouts of teams will watch your stream and contact you if they like what they see. It's way harder in cs, not a good thing imo
2021-03-03 14:02
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exactly
2021-03-03 17:45
why not? Just shows how much higher the skill ceiling is for csgo than other games. I used to play uni esports and 4 hours a week of siege (I was in plat 3) was enough to get to playoffs in the league. In csgo we kept meeting lvl 9-10 stacks just for a chance to play for playoffs. Literally used to play like 40 hours of cs a week and highest we placed in the league was 31st, whereas in siege highest was 4th.
2021-03-03 23:15
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Romania Anonym20
you can find 4 good teammates dude, there are plenty of forums and sites where there are people like you, try different people and find a team which suits your views, you have to pay for esea but at least you have a chance to get pro if the team is good enough, plenty of teams are grinding in esea
2021-03-03 14:01
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it's the chemistry and everyone has to really want it. I think it's too big of a gamble.
2021-03-03 17:45
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Brazil medonhoso
If you can't play 5x5 you can't play FPL, this game is team based and if you only play solo you wont ever reach sucess
2021-03-03 17:49
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but to make it as a team you do realize you have to play in several ESEA divisions until you finaly qualify for MDL, that takes time, and everyone have to be extremely motivated and pracc etc for no salary.
2021-03-03 18:56
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tl;dr you wanna turn pro but not put in the work.
2021-03-03 19:08
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not if the work is substancial to the point it becomes a risk.
2021-03-03 22:30
everyone did that back in the days you know, we just play the game for fun but also take team pracc seriously to become better? everyone did that in 1.6/css and also csgo. 99% of the top players have done this. fpl pug stars like broky are an exception.
2021-03-03 22:38
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I know, and I think it's hindering really good players that don't want to risk their lives possibly breaking into the proscene. Just look at how it is in other games; way better.
2021-03-03 22:40
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no these "really good players" aren't good then because there's something called dedication, without this you won't make it and you will stumble on the next hurdle because you just don't have to the mentality and commitment to really become pro. there's not many who can actually do that. no matter which way game there's always be a huge amount of dedication needed to become pro, you need to be some kind of lunatic. if you don't have the nerves or are afraid of risks it's simply not for you.
2021-03-03 22:44
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I just don't think 18 year old faceit lvl 10's should have to risk 1-2 years of their life without a salary to possibly break through. These players are extremely dedicated but have other options in life that are less risky.
2021-03-03 22:45
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it's not like you have to no life the game to compete. compete because you have fun playing the game or you won't last. like syrson for example did an apprenticeship as bank clerk while playing before he got signed by BIG.
2021-03-03 22:49
people have taken uni degree's and advanced inlife while waiting for their oportunity. It didn't hinder their drive to play and win on the game, thats why they are pros.
2021-03-03 23:23
Because Valve has no academy system.
2021-03-03 17:46
2 replies
they should implement something close to what fortnite have.
2021-03-03 18:57
1 reply
What do they have? dont expect us to follow this game and know about their pro scene
2021-03-04 11:37
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ropz | 
Netherlands ONGix
It will become harder as the pro scene continue to shrink and dwindle
2021-03-03 17:52
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Yeah, even now it's hard for tier 2 teams to play actual events.
2021-03-03 18:57
Then it's actually easier to enter
2021-03-03 19:04
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ropz | 
Netherlands ONGix
No but name and flair
2021-03-03 19:06
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Pro scène shrinking-> less players - > less teams - > more niches to fill less t1 teams - > déstabilisation-> higher chance for no names to play against higher rated teams and become new t1
2021-03-03 19:10
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Yeah, but less t1 teams-> less big tournaments -> less actually big established orgs interested in the game -> less opportunities for players to make it.
2021-03-03 23:25
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ropz | 
Germany lor3nz
search for a low tier team and grind lesser leagues like ESEA open and bbetter teams will find you
2021-03-03 19:09
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I know, I just think the process should be more obtainable.
2021-03-03 22:31
yea specially when u live in a country that doesnt have good players to pick and play esea with (im from middle east tho ) so u need to play fplc qualifier and then fplc to get to fpl so u need a little bit of luck i guess to atleast get to the fplc
2021-03-03 19:11
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Do you have a team?
2021-03-03 19:13
2 replies
no there is no 5 good players in the country iam in bro :D
2021-03-04 11:59
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I'll start grinding again this month if it all works out and try to reach my old level with the goal of creating a team this year. I can't make any promises whatsoever but if you're interested at some point just hmu :)
2021-03-04 15:49
yeah, I think it's way to complicated.
2021-03-03 22:32
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its not but when u think about team work yea it is
2021-03-04 11:59
You are spot on but it will never change. Valve does not give a fuck sbout cs. Look at the dev cycle. We have had zero changes for well over a year. The "operation" is just a shitty battlepass. The dev team is 5-10 of vales worst devs. We still have 64 tick servers. Vac is still worthless. Cs is and will continue to be valves red headed step child. They are happy to rake in skin money but other than that couldnt care less.
2021-03-03 19:35
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hahahaha couldn't agree more, it's actually funny.
2021-03-03 22:33
you realize that this whole "go soloqueue for fpl to become pro" is more of a recent thing? the only reliable way has always been compete in your local scene with a team and work your way up.
2021-03-03 22:35
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and what I'm saying is that is a very inefficent and risky way of getting into the pro-scene.
2021-03-03 22:41
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?? this is a game, do it for fun like literally every pro did. they didn't compete for the money or fame when they began playing. if you get the opportunity to actually make a career, very nice. if not cool you still have/had fun.
2021-03-03 22:46
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I have to say I think your arguments are lazy, this statusquo is outdated and stupid compared to other games.
2021-03-03 22:50
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no you are lazy in your head, it's not outdated it's reality lol
2021-03-03 22:51
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you're not smart and clearly uneducated, you lack the ability to understand what others say because your brain is clouded, you're clearly stupid if you think the current way to become a csgo pro is fair. The pro scene is just a bunch of 20-30 year olds that clearly arent good enough to play there, but others can't get to it because the system isn't rewarding enough for most talent to even try. There's a fineline between stupidity and dedication.
2021-03-03 22:55
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--- you're not smart and clearly uneducated, you lack the ability to understand what others say because your brain is clouded --- your problem is that you only think about soloque/fpl, it's not how the game is supposed to be played and how the competition works. everyone with a braincell realizes that competing for the top is a real grind (and this is the case in every competitive game) if you don't want to compete with a team, play the leagues and LANs of your country scene then it's your problem. keep crying about the game being unfair but with that mentality you won't become pro in any game, better invest your time somewhere else it's not for you.
2021-03-03 23:02
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I'm not even considering being a pro, and I'm definately aware of the fact that you can play through the esea divisions. Any successful, smart person always looks for a way to improve and effectivize. also don't try and lecture me you poor, pathetic, german. You'll never amount to anything so just be quiet.
2021-03-03 23:07
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i'm just trying to clear your head poor, pathetic, swede. because you seem to be a little deluded. and while i'm not looking to compete in csgo anymore i have probably done a lot more in my gaming career than you will ever do. i was semipro in css and wow arenas, i know a little of what i talk about.
2021-03-03 23:09
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Great achievements! I'll tell you this, I wouldn't even consider wasting my time becoming a pro. Gaming's never been a priority for me I think it's a waste of time. My achievements are academical things that are real.
2021-03-03 23:15
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ýeah that's good for you for real. that's why i said just keep the fun in playing, you can still always play with a competitive mind and look to improve and if a real opportunity rises you can take it but there's no point in arguing if it's too hard to become a top player, it's always hard and you need to be lucky on top of that.
2021-03-03 23:18
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totally agree with you breezy0.
2021-03-04 11:33
Man OP is an spoiled, entitled dimwit lol. Stop Wasting time with him. He won’t get anywhere with that level of intelligence. With if he is the best aimed in the world.
2021-03-04 11:56
just bcuz people go pro at will in lulrant and fortnite doens't mean every game has to lower their standard to fit every wannabe pro
2021-03-03 23:26
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surely more competition does nothing else than higher the standard.
2021-03-04 00:04
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tournaments have limited capacitys regardless, and Its not like there aren't thousands of teams already, most in semi-pro stage. It should be hard for you to be so great at smt that they decide to throw money at you. Îts not one of those learn while you do it type of jobs. And most countrys already have their scene, some bigger than others but thats mostly bcuz of orgs. You do need to throw some money around to make it as a team. I won't say its easy but if your team is good there are even free qualifiers for majors and other big tournaments. You just have to win like 10 games agaisnt decent teams, make it by force to the pro stage and maybe with an upset your team can get a chance with an org.
2021-03-04 00:09
How many cs players have there been since 1.6, source and csgo? How many made it pro in such lenghts that they were set for life from it? Chances for you to become pro are close to zero. You'll grow out of esports eventually when you find that one thing you want to do in life but it's not an easy route.
2021-03-03 22:35
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I'm not trying to make it, I'm just saying I think it's stupid the way it is and has been.
2021-03-03 22:42
A lot of pro today didn't have fpl when they got spotted. They had no other choice than play lan event with a team. Perhaps today cs:go is harder than some other games, but it is damn so easy compared to few years ago.
2021-03-03 22:39
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You do realize it's harder to get into FPL as a solo player than it is to reach a decent esea division as a team. It's stupid and complicated and requieres really good faceit lvl 10 players to risk 1-2 years of their life without funding to possibly make it, that's why the only new pro players we se nowadays are 3rd worldcountry inhabitants where there's no other option.
2021-03-03 22:44
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Do you realize there was no esea either back then? Also, mitsuta, Nivera and Zywoo are not from 3rd world country as far as I'm concern.
2021-03-03 23:04
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ZywOo 2018/19, Misutaa 2019/20. The only person recently would be Nivera and he's a exception.
2021-03-03 23:09
So what is your solution?
2021-03-04 00:00
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Estonia whosmans
you dont need to be in fpl to go pro. The best place to start is assembling a group of four like-minded and driven players to create a team that competes in small tournaments, working up from the bottom to eventually play at a pro level
2021-03-04 00:06
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+1, its not supposed to be a free for all at the pro stage. I partcipated in qualifiers for dreamhack and other "big tournaments" in the past, ofc i didn't make it but i played with players that did make it trough that way. And that was in Portugal where we have a very small scene. In sweden it should be no problem if you and your team are actually good
2021-03-04 00:12
I think it's hard to magically find 4 teammates with different roles that are hungry and willing to grind aswell as have the skill to become top tier.
2021-03-04 12:44
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Estonia whosmans
you don't magically find them lmao
2021-03-04 16:06
Heard of ESEA? If you are half-decent you will get ESEA Intermediate / Main with your team. Improve further and you are in Advanced. If you are in Advanced you play vs pro teams and can maybe get signed by one of them. Oh look, you're basically pro now.
2021-03-04 11:35
#69
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
It was easier back in 1.6 to get semi-professional than it nowadays in CS:GO...
2021-03-04 16:09
#70
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Argentina matebad
flag checks out. In your scene they will prefer to try the same 28 yo for the 4th time over a new guy
2021-03-04 16:12
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France IRVINGx9
playing ESEA leagues can help too
2021-03-04 16:15
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