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Map pool is becoming too stale, when are they gonna change things up ? Any other map to suggest ?
Cache = trash
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anubis then
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Cobble
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latest version of Cobble is poop
forever destined to be Casual only map
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Well, in this case, tell Gaben to bring back old cobbble. That map was legendary...
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too bad the map is made by Valve and not some community person who would have listened to pros how to make the map good. Well maybe they did, the boost spot in Drop room was called for, but the rest is just stupid. They closed the entrance from T spawn to b and now CTs are earlier at the boost than Ts lmao
At least it's not biome where they "improve" the map so many times that it becomes unplayable
NIP best anubis team
Anubis kekw
+1 bestest map but noone realize it
So are vertigo and mirage atleast cache isnt stale af
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Vertigo = Mirage > Cache
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mirage is luvvvvvvvvvv bro inferno is the one that is dying
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Mirage is good map but overplayed af
Im basically convinced players in faceit dont rly play cs but rather play mirage lmao.
inferno top tier map, wtf
id like a d2 revamp but it wouldnt happen ig
Vertigo is a good map wtf
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Cache = trash
so much cache hate mens((((
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Cache fun and competitive map
Cache bestest map
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-boring -boring +boring +boring
Whats the difference?
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What do you suggest to replace mirage?
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Aztec Dust
-nuke -overpass +cache +cobblestone
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Gold nova spotted
map is hard = map is bad
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map is unbalanced = map is bad
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Cobble isn’t yes?
Op is literally 55-45 CT sided, so no idea why the fuq you think its unbalanced.
Nuke has gone from 75-25 CT to 65-35 CT, so yet again, PRETTY balanced.
Cobblestone had a 70-30 T to CT* ratio so no idea why the fuq u think its more balanced lmao
Cache is the most balanced map(50-50) so if anything put out nuke and bring in cache, Balance-wise, for entertainment i'd say keep nuke and change mirage/op for cobble.
-8/8
Silver opinion
cache?????
Why not bring in a new map like swamp or mutiny or ancient or de_santorini or tuscan?
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de_Favela first
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was that 1.6 or source? Haven't played it on 1.6.
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I know it was for source, dont know if a version was in 1.6 already. It was in one of the earliest operations in CS:GO as well, I can remember because there were some dark as hell spots where you could hide and you could not be seen by the enemy at all.
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I'll have to fire up 1.6 again and see if i can find it/play it.
I think favela was on some operation in csgo, maybe in 2014 or 2015
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I guess the map hasn't had an update since then?
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Probably not, might be full of bugs and visibility problems
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0/8 name checks out
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Never cache = garbage /close
-cache +cobble
-D2 -Mirage
+Ruby +Cobble
Tuscan isn’t even finished
tuscan overrated
You suck my dick
That's it
+ Cache
+ Cobblestone
gimme cobblestone
If d2 is removed there is no more competitive cs.
and fuck new cache, it sucks.
The reason the map pool is so stale is partly because Valve aren’t exactly rushing the remakes, but I think the biggest issue is that the pool is too small. Why does it always have to be just 7 maps???
Bring in more, and then draw maps a month or two before every tournament so that things stay fresh for the viewers and teams have some time to prepare.
In that case I’d like to see cobble and cache return, bring in tuscan, rework season and start redoing more old maps like they did vertigo. I could see aztec working in an updated form. Maybe even prodigy!
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aztec only on mm, layout of this map makes no sense on proffesional scene
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It would obviously need a proper remake. The original has a lot of dead space and certain parts are notoriously hard to pass through... but I could see it working. Prodigy has the same issues, but so did nuke and vertigo and they’ve been fixed.
At least they have layouts that don’t mimic every other competitive map. They all follow the same basic pattern of a main, b main and mid routes and a random connector or secondary route. Look at inferno, d2, mirage, cache... Strip off the cosmetics and they’re all the same.
That’s why cs is stale. You don’t need source 2 or 128 tick. We need new maps that are actually playable, casually and competitively, and have a fresh take on level design.
Rant over.
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9 years 9 maps :(
i dont think the problem is how small the map pool is, there is teams that hardly can play 6 maps out of 7, now imagine 9. At the same time it will make a bigger mappool and more maps to watch, it will reduce part of the skill on the maps since they would need to train more maps + rotate maps too often would reduce it aswell.
Aztec is also pretty hard to remake without changing the original vibes, maybe becoming a green cache 2.0, great map, good layout, but not really that much well accepted. But imo the biggest problem would be bring Tuscan back, as i already stated on other comments, i do believe this map doesn't suit CSGO that well, multiple corners to check, molotov mechanics, too much claustrophobic places, etc.
Imo new maps should be created instead of only working on doing the old ones, the metas had change a lot over the years. Anyway, i would like to see some "old" maps returning, but it would be purely the 2016-2017 version of cobble or a cache with some new updates. About Aztec, i feel like this map has big balance problems, maybe a rework for casual / scrimmage, but not competitive for the reasons i already said before in my comment, on the other hand, Ancient could take the place, it is similar to Aztec in graphics, if the map becomes more nice to play and the textures become more colorful, i would definitely play this map + i dont think it would have as much pressure as Aztec would.
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I respectfully disagree with your first opinion. If you’re a paid professional who spends all of his working time playing a game then I don’t really think learning a few extra maps is that hard. Besides, I still think the map pool for each tournament should be drawn in advance so teams have some time to prepare.
Your second point is valid, but I still believe that with the proper remakes most of these maps could be competitive. They just need some streamlining. A few places need to be opened up and some places maybe removed altogether. But it could work.
i bet they will remove mirage when tuscan will be done, nothing more, it's volvo(or maybe +cache also but i don't see this coming)
-dust 2
+ cobble
no
-train
+cache
-vertigo +aztec
Maps that should stay:
Inferno - Best map
Nuke - Unique and 2nd best map
Train - Unique with little map control and 2 big bombsites, fun to play and to watch
Overpass - some say it's boring, but not as much as vertigo, mirage and d2
Maps that are in question to be replaced:
Vertigo - I get that it's fresh, but is boring to play and to watch, just fight over ramp every round, A executes, some B execs, people can hear rotations all over the map, no good ways of flanking without it being obvious, boring af imo
Mirage - fun map but it's been played so much that the map is getting stale in the pro scene, though i see this being like cache 2.0, rework will come but will change very little about the gameplay and people will complain that valve reworked it even though they begged for it.
Dust II - Map can be hype af though I get that it's just the same strats every round and little variety, aka. fight for long, take short, maybe go mid to b, b rush, that's it.
Maps that can replace these 3:
Cobble - If reworked good
Cache - Would be more fun but rework changed very little so could become stale easily
Anubis - New map, seems intresting, the fact that valve have kept this map in the mm pool for almost a year now suggests to me that they actually will want to implement this into the pro scene soon and tbh i hope so.
y'all talking about tuscan but what about season my friends
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-overpass
-vertigo/mirage
+cache
+new map (something never used in csgo)
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tbh, CSGO as a community is usually resistant in accepting new maps. Valve basically had to force Vertigo down our throats for people to like it (although I liked ever since they put in active duty). And most operation maps are called thrash by a good portion of the community just because they arent used to it, even if they are objectively good maps.
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Tuscan looks interesting, but I've never played it. My favorite, from back in the days of pub play, was Cobble. I want that back most. I also kind of wish they'd find a way to make Office and original Dust altered enough to be in the Competitive pool. Damn. Miss Italy too. Been too long.
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sadly i hardly doubt they will find a way of making Office and Italy competitive.
The hostage mode is extremely t sided on CSGO, when i play one of those maps on casual i spam the t side button because i know that i will win + get a good k/d; the economy favorizes the T; The layout favorizes the T; the guns favorizes the T.
It is possible but i highly doubt
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You're right of course, but they'd rework it to address balancing issues. Idle chatter, though, as they've had plenty of time to do something about changing it to make it Competitive and haven't bothered putting any work into it. That doesn't mean I can't wish. :)
-d2 and vertigo
mirage, while old, is still fun to play and watch
dust 2 is too stale and one dimensional and vertigo is just a garbage map plain and simple.
-MIRAGE
+CANALS
- mirage
- dust II
- vertigo
+cache
+cobble
+dust I
i never understood why rotate the same maps over and over instead of creating new ones prepared for competitive play, is so boring seeing the same maps for years and years with same utility, same strats etc, i would do a rotation every 6 months, so 2 in a year for example when the season starts remove 2 maps and introduce one of the old rotation maps and one fresh new, and the same for the second part of the year, that would spice things up.
I dont even try to hate anything nowadays. But valve is earning so much from cs/skins. But they have never done anything good for players expect operation which is also mainly for missions for skins. I would like to see better servers, better anti cheat, they should be talking more with community, map changes are so late, there has been never a really good update. And thats why valorant is doing much better. With the gameplay of cs, this game can be literally so big, only if valve ever tried to help it. And now covid has really made things much worse but valve can partner up with tos and help having lans or something. Make a documentary or something. But nope and thats why people are shifting to valo
i don´t see another map besides cache entering on the place of mirage, maybe office
