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Transitioning to Valorant to get benched/kicked
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El Salvador laughingatmadbettors 
liquipedia.net/valorant/Davidp liquipedia.net/valorant/AZK liquipedia.net/valorant/JasonR Likely more "retired" CS players in the same wagon. Reached this point, should you just search for a 9 to 5 job?
2021-03-04 12:39
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#1
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Japan Peine
I see NA flag = Valorant
2021-03-04 12:40
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#7
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United States Hubterbean
Valorant is terrible boring to play and watch and it’s full of little kids at least for me
2021-03-04 12:57
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#13
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Japan Peine
Playing is up to personal preferences but I do agree that watching it is pretty terrible
2021-03-04 13:08
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#49
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Indonesia woooi15
i hope riot dont add to much agent or else it will be like overwatch which is impossible to watch lol
2021-03-04 17:42
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#52
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Austria SplasJ
There will be even more agents in a few years
2021-03-04 17:48
at least overwatch is fun to watch , this is just plain boring
2021-03-04 19:26
They will do the same thing that they did to LoL. They've literally admitted in the past that it would be impossible to actually balance all the champions in LoL. Same thing will happen in VaLULrant
2021-03-04 19:27
If Valve cared about CS GO as much as they cared about Dota 2, then no one would leave this game
2021-03-04 12:41
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Valve didn't care about Dota until this year. That's why Lol pretty much wiped the floor despite being less complex and graphical appealing.
2021-03-04 12:51
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#15
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Netherlands Titanos
That's exactly what's happening to CSGO and Valorant. It's less complex and graphically appealing to a broader audience, hence it's going to wipe the floor with CS.
2021-03-04 13:11
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Valorant is harder to follow than CS because of "classes" and "powers". CS broke viewership records during Katowice. And Valorant is "better" in graphics (from two low standards). The art style is subjective. There's also the fact that right now, Valorant it's just "Rejected CS:GO players field", so it diminishes the value to watch it for many people who watch CS. Also, Valorant still isn't established in betting sites. CS will be fine, especially now that Valve is more focused on having an eSports structure. Will Valorant be more popular than T1 CS events? Who knows, but it won't be because CS dips in viewership like Dota.
2021-03-04 13:29
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#24
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Netherlands Titanos
First of all, thank you for not being "hurr durr valorant sucks"! :) "Valorant is harder...style is subjective." I think that Valorant is easier to jump into and watch because it looks like a more casual game and the displays of skill are easier to see and experience. It's easier to get hyped because the game's basics are easier than CS:GO's. "There's also the...in betting sites." True! But we have to consider that CS:GO is 8 year olds and Valorant 8 months. Sure it had a better start, but the eSports scene will be growing seeing how much Riot is investing into the scene. Right now it is only a retirement home, but in some time there will be a lot of new talent and the scene will really thrive. "CS will be...viewership like Dota." Oh I don't doubt it, actually. CS:GO is and will always be in our hearts and there are diehard fans. I play Valorant but I have spent 1600 hours in CSGO and so many events have I watched. Heck I still follow all of the matches. It surely won't die out but I do expect Valorant to become bigger. Looking forward to a reply!
2021-03-04 14:24
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I think EU CS scene is going to stay strong. Biggest problem for CS is that Valorant is BIG in Asia rn. If they manage to build a proper worldwide scene, I think in few years, Valorant will become a bigger game. They gotta change something about observing though. I can't watch a game for more than 3 to 4 mins.
2021-03-04 15:06
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#36
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Netherlands Titanos
That is true! The NA and Asian scene are growing like crazy! I think the EU scene will also follow at some point though.
2021-03-04 15:29
I think about the viewing experience you're taking too much into account the knowledge you've developed from playing it (Not intentional). I just feel like Valorant is adding more things to the variables CS already has, making it harder to spectate as a casual. Obviously, the more you watch the more you'll understand, but I think CS's success will always be his simplicity. The only really "hard" thing to understand in order to enjoy it as a casual is the economic system. Hltv pretty much proves that understanding gameplans, utility, roles, etc. is meaningless to follow the game. About Valorant player base potential. Thats why I said, "right now". Obviously, the longer the game lasts, the more new talent that will come out. But I think Lol and Valorant's situation are different. - Lol success came up as being the first big f2p game focused on competitive gameplay. Valorant doesn't have that factor since f2p is pretty standart now days, especially for any type PC of shooter game. - When LoL came out free, not many of the people it attracted knew what a Moba was or that something like Dota existed. Even more, many Lol players were console-only players, so that was the first time they really played on PC People do know what CS it's still being played a ton (fewer people they can actually capture). Also, Valorant will have to deal with Overwatch 2. Will the players that migrate stick with it after the release? Or will they go back to Blizzards game? - Last but not least, Dota never had an eSport structure to compete against Lol. They've decided to do so this year... when they pretty much would be better just doing a close league with the teams that will play the major (because they're so far apart from the semiprofessional teams that are filling those regional leagues...). CS:GO and Valorant will play in the same field since Valve now really is trying to structure the eSport aspect of their game. Those are the reasons why I can't be certain about how big Valorant will eventually get. But I'm positive CS isn't decreasing any time soon. People thought R6S and then OW would end CS, but I think even with the online era, CS as an eSport is stronger than ever. Time will tell. But I'm certain CS:GO won't g
2021-03-04 15:56
#53
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India sid76820
another take is valorant will introduce a lot of ppl in to the fps scene and they will most probably realise CSGO is better and play it instead of valorant. Just a scenario and for me the best one possible.
2021-03-04 17:56
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#54
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Netherlands Titanos
Is this really plausible though? Sure some might, but CSGO is harder than Valorant and I wonder how many people that are playing Valorant and enjoying that really want to switch to a harder cut-down version of Valorant.
2021-03-04 17:57
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#58
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India sid76820
csgo is easier to get into i.e. play your first game. also the movement in csgo provides more mechanical freedom then abilities do. and i dunno but this could be a personal preference but kids these days dont like slow movement. and if you are a kid willing to get into hardcore fps then prolly csgo is the only game to go for.
2021-03-04 18:03
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#61
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Netherlands Titanos
CSGO is easier to start with as your first one, but not to go after Valorant in my eyes. CSGO is way harder as a tactical shooter than Valorant, and kids dont wanna invest hours upon hours to actually shoot things.
2021-03-04 18:04
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#63
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India sid76820
yeah but those kids who like abilities and heros aren't they already in lol/overwatch. given that mobas are pretty large.
2021-03-04 18:34
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#64
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Netherlands Titanos
Well I mean, a lot of Overwatch players are switching as well because of Overwatch dying (due to OW2 delays), look at the pro scene as well. Apart from people who just start gaming and start with Valorant, people can switch games just because they find something more fun.
2021-03-04 18:36
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#66
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India sid76820
see you are taking the brain required for abilities and the aim required for csgo into valorant. i'd say that a better more interesting clone would be overwatch right however i don't know much about the game.
2021-03-04 18:42
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#67
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Netherlands Titanos
Overwatch is currently stagnating a lot. Their eSports scene is in shambles due to organisations selling and swapping all around, everyone is leaving due to lack of new content and it is just, ehh. Overwatch 2 is supposed to be a MASSIVE game but it is only releasing in 2022, hopefully
2021-03-04 18:43
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#68
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India sid76820
yeah so what i m saying is that overwatch 2 and valorant will be the real competitors and not csgo. and in that race too i am guessing overwatch will win. its just because valorant is literally if csgo and overwatch fucced and gave a baby and ppl who like their respective games will most probably just stick with that game. Drawing a comparison to lol and dota 2 from dota all stars is different because that was 2 knockoffs competing. here it is a lovechild competing with its parents
2021-03-04 18:51
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#70
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Netherlands Titanos
Thats a very cool and fair analysis! I love all 3 of these games and I play 'em all, either way Valorant and Overwatch have good developers and I am excited for the future!
2021-03-04 19:13
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#71
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India sid76820
lmao gud to see chilled out ppl
2021-03-04 19:17
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#72
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Netherlands Titanos
Thanks! You too!
2021-03-04 19:25
#27
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Greece RedWinter
I find LoL much more graphically appealing than Dota. It's hard to tell what's happening in the latter unless you know the game
2021-03-04 14:56
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One thing is the art style (And even spectator mode settings), another is the graphics. Dota is the better game in terms of graphics. By a lot. But I kinda agree it' gets harder to follow what's happening on screen the more overpowered the characters get (But imo it has to do more with the spectator cam being far more closely in Dota than Lol)
2021-03-04 16:06
is that AZK the north american player
2021-03-04 12:55
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Yes. iBuypower's legend himself
2021-03-04 13:08
but the titan he is the french stars
2021-03-04 13:56
#48
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Spain SS_SS
but the titan he is the french stars
2021-03-04 17:41
but the titan he is the french stars
2021-03-04 19:32
#5
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Belgium Jasper55
DavidP is signed by a new org, but not announced yet... Whilst it's known to be xL btw :)
2021-03-04 12:55
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Who cars it’s valarante xddddddd
2021-03-04 12:56
But was he benched?
2021-03-04 13:01
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It did not seem that Davidp and azk were benched for underperforming. They did quite well and will probably be picked up by other teams. Jasonr is not a good player so what do you expect. Its not like he had a career in cs either. I just dont understand this religious shitting on valorant. You are like a dumb christian shitting on atheists. Valorant people dont even bother you but you because of your own insecurities proactively come and look for things to shit on valorant and the criticism doesnt even make sense.
2021-03-04 13:27
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1. When a team changes a player, is because they're not satisfied with their performance. 2. Not shitting on Valorant, shitting on players who transitioned and are already getting kicked from their teams. 3. I'm not the one crying about people "shitting" a videogame (Something not even the case in this post). I feel like you're more like some Christians/muslims who get butthurt whenever there's some joking around over their religion, lol
2021-03-04 13:46
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2/3 players did not even had a career in cs go. And david was a subaverage player in tier 3 teams. Are these the most exciting transitions to valorant to you? Would it even surprise anyone if they were kicked for a bad performance which is probably not even the case except for jason. And that is not even interesting to anyone except for irrational religious-like cs fanboys who are to dumb to find real reasons to criticise valorant about.
2021-03-04 14:24
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Are you always this triggered by meaningless things? lmao. "buaaaaah, they're speaking badly about something I like"
2021-03-04 16:03
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Yep you are meaningless. I agree
2021-03-04 16:11
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Yet you've spent so much time clarifying something no one asked you for or care about it while channeling your frustrations over people "making fun of Valorant". You're welcome, I guess.
2021-03-04 16:26
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Belgium Jasper55
DavidP did not get benched for performance but for his IGL style, David did good as a player, but his IGL'ing wasn't of the standard required of the rapid evolution of tactics in Valorant... Therefor G2 got Zeek thinking he'd IGL better
2021-03-04 21:15
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Japan imustat
*insert soyjak.jpeg*
2021-03-04 13:49
#33
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United States laiff
JasonR would have been on fazes current overwatch valorant team if they let him be captain and choose the players but in the end he never got what he wanted
2021-03-04 15:03
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I think his ego and self-unawarness are things that hurts him the most.
2021-03-04 15:40
davidp blocked me on twitter what a fragile nerd
2021-03-04 12:59
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#55
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Sri Lanka w7tv
he isn't obligated to see spam of 2girls1cup on his social media
2021-03-04 17:58
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uh what all i did was call him a bitch boy for hoarding over an esea spot and then going to valorant afterwards and it wasnt even in his replies lmao
2021-03-04 20:46
#56
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Finland _Top1
2021-03-04 18:02
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2021-03-04 19:33
davidp is 26 bruh
2021-03-04 13:02
btw is there a hltv for valorant
2021-03-04 13:05
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2021-03-04 13:09
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both look exactly as hltv XDDDDDDDDD
2021-03-04 13:30
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Yeah what a surprise. Are you also amazed when you see bikes made with two pedals and two wheels by different companies?
2021-03-04 14:53
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lmao
2021-03-04 15:33
#57
allu | 
Finland _Top1
Same as valulrant too just a blatant copy of cs but they added magic for 9 year old children
2021-03-04 18:03
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Who uses 9 year old to illustrate that point? 12-14 year old would make much more sense because people that age are actualy playing the game but you yourself are probably barely older than that so you cant use it without shitting on yourself lmao.
2021-03-04 21:10
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Japan imustat
you forgot infinite his esports career is ruined at this point, rn he’s playing mdl since he got nowhere else to go xaxaxaxaxa
2021-03-04 13:28
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#30
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North America pkheat
ex-cs pro now ex-val pro LUL
2021-03-04 15:00
Wasn't azk ahead of everyone when the game was launched? I remember, when players were losing to the game devs, this guy was already good enough to be called as a top player.
2021-03-04 13:52
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#28
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United States laiff
That T1 team (Brax,AZK,Crashies,Food,Skadoodle) won one of the first tier 1 tournaments that the game had, the tourney had teams that had streamers/barely formed teams in it then after that they never won anything since
2021-03-04 14:59
none of these players were very good in csgo either
2021-03-04 15:00
#32
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United States ShawnM
i mean jasonR is just a streamer so im not surprised he played CS for like 3-4 years without being on a team, just playing FPL and was a funny streamer
2021-03-04 15:01
jasonr left if im not mistaken
2021-03-04 15:06
none of these players are good enough to play cs on a professional level anyway
2021-03-04 15:33
Jasonr was only signed for 2 months and during that time he didnt play a single game.
2021-03-04 15:42
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Netherlands ONGix
The skill ceiling in Valorant became much higher than tier 1 CSGO in less than a year which is pretty insane, that's why a-lot of CS former pros find it hard to adapt if they don't put in the effort (they thought they will just dominate the game forever lmao)
2021-03-04 16:08
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#59
allu | 
Finland _Top1
0 / 8
2021-03-04 18:04
Yeah I'm sure all those washed cs players made it really hard to compete in valorant.
2021-03-04 19:34
JasonR didn't play a game for Faze and left because he didn't like the way they were going about the roster
2021-03-04 16:28
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players have no say in any of this, its mostly just PR and picking up someone with good reach.
2021-03-04 17:46
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i mean. hiko had the say in picking the original members of the second iteration of the second 100t roster. JR thought he would be able to construct the faze roster which just ended up being false
2021-03-04 22:04
I think Valorant will grow, and be as large if not larger than CSGO for at least a short period of time. How well will it do long term? We don't know! I only say this because it's new. Not even just graphics, but everything. I think people, especially Pro's who play the same maps day in and day out over and over get bored of it. So if you're not top tier and making a salary, why not hop over to something new that you can do well in?
2021-03-04 17:46
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allu | 
Finland _Top1
Flag
2021-03-04 18:04
valarante child game.... look to cartoon grapfix to make kid player happy like children show.. valarante cartoon world with rainbow unlike counter strike chad with dark corridorr and raelistic gun.. valarante like playhouse. valarant playor run from csgo fear of dark world and realism
2021-03-04 18:10
yes but they dont even know how to make a coffe
2021-03-04 18:40
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