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"Traditional" sports:
Football: Lionel Messi
Tennis: Novak Djokovic
Basketball: LeBron James
F1: Lewis Hamilton
Boxing: Floyd Mawyeather Jr.
Ice Hockey: Wayne Gretzky
American football: Tom Brady
Sprint: Usain Bolt
Swimming: Michael Phelps
Baseball: Babe Ruth
Mixed martial arts: Khabib Nurmagomedov
Freestyle wrestling: Buvaisar Saitiev
Badminton: Lin Dan
Table tennis: Ma Long
Handball: Mikkel Hansen
Squash: Jahangir Khan
Skiing: Ingemar Stenmark
Other:
Chess: Magnus Carlsen
Snooker: Ronnie O'Sullivan
Counter-Strike: Filip "NEO" Kubski
Counter-Strike: Source: Cédric "RpK" Guipouy
Counter-Strike: Global Offensive: Oleksandr "s1mple" Kostyliev
Melee: Adam "Armada" Lindgren
Street Fighter: Daigo "Daigo" Umehara
DotA: Clement "Puppey" Ivanov
League of Legends: Lee "Faker" Sang-hyeok
StarCraft 2: Joona "Serral" Sotala
Quake: Shane "rapha" Hendrixson
Team Fotress 2: Grant "b4nny" Vincent
Lebron AND s0mple? 0/8
Are you even a real Astralis fan?
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who is better than simple
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Device accomplished more and Zywoo became better way quicker so technically both but some people prefer 1 or the other.
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Name flag and flair checks out
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s1mple's been winning games alone since like 2015 so yeah s1mple is the goat, sorry
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goat 0 major nice
device 4 major s0mple 0 major get over it
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device zero top1. Shows that even the second best team in the history of cs can’t carry his ass to a top1. But hey at least carried him to 4 majors tho 🤷🏿♂️
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s0mple fans only use the rankings when it benefit them. i could bring up zywoo and s0mple fans immediately discredit the top 20. pick 1 is it relevant or not?
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Who said it’s not relevant lmao ? Just bc fatty made it doesn’t mean he will continue it. The only reason he got it in 2019 is bc of 2nd and 3rd place were AFK whilst he was getting set up by his team. In 2020 the only reason is a fucking rmr mvp lmao which sums up his two fluke years. But it’s good your sorry ass went from 4 mAjOrS tO tWo ToP1s. What’s next, sorry ass basement dweller ? Continue to imply for others and imagining kid :)
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ez bait
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That’s when you know this kid took a fat L :)
Ez W
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says the kid who wrote an essay no one will read all because you fell for the bait
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eZ bAiT
“Essay”. Does your essay include 3-4 sentences your small brain can’t read and process, eutardo ? Get back in your moms basement :)
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If you honestly have zywoo over s1mple in the goat conversation you're fucking delusional. Idc who you think is better, s1mple obv is greater
+1 mj > lebum
device GOAT of CS:GO nt
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lmao no way you are replying to your alt's thread
Ahahha
alts are not allowed on hltv
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Or senna
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Yeah but no car has ever been this dominant.
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Yeah all part of the Mercedes Masterplan.
On the other hand, no other driver has ever been this dominant. Even if you look back at Schumacher with Ferrari, Michael was the undisputed number one driver (in the Mercedes of the early 2000's) who was gifted wins by Barrichello. Hamilton never has never been in this position. He's had to beat all of his teammates fair and square.
Solely for this reason Hamilton > Schumacher, even if Schumacher was at his peak in the 90's. A case can be made for Clark and maybe Senna and Prost though.
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Hmm I mean he lost to button and Rosberg.
But I can see your point. it‘s kind of hard to compare eras tho
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He did, but once again, on the other hand, in his maiden season Hamilton beat the (double) defending WDC in Alonso. Button and Rosberg are both great drivers (and WDC's) as well, whilst Michael was never paired with another champion (if I recall correctly).
But you are right. It's impossible to compare eras, which makes this kinda pointless xd
you can say that about many sports
football: messi, ronaldo, pele, maradona
bball: lebron, mj, larry bird, magic, kobe,
snooker: o'sullivan, stephen hendry, steve davis
same for cs
1.6 - f0rest, neo, even markeloff
csgo - s1mple, zywoo even device, cold and olof
cs overall: get_right
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nah, i wouldnt say guardian as i wouldnt say kenny, even tough kennys is one of my favorite players
probably best dedicated awpers ever, but not goat on the game
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fallen not so much, for the simple reason that when fallen was on his peak he had cold on the team, playing even better
but ok, kenny and guardian are some of the goats
F1: Leclerc bestest ofc!!!
jokes aside i are think schumacher is goat, hamilton close second.
only kimi was able to bring wdc to ferrari after schumi left and i think that's a statement. if merc lose hamilton, bring in russell and win like nothing happen (assuming they dont fuck up pit stop again)
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hamilton's consistency is from another world tho
even tho i hate it, i have to admit it
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Leo Messi 6 ballons d'or cr7 5, fact, you can'y disagree.
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that's like say that taco is better than s1mple cuz taco have 2 majors and s1mple zero (lol)
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that's exactly my point! lol. numbers do not totally define the best player, because if that were the case Héctor Rial would be the best player who ever played in europe
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I'm saying that you're mixing between team achievements and individual ones
But yeah, numbers won't show you who the best players are, but in messi's case they do.
Just watching him play and you having an eye for football will make you realize that he's by far the best in his generation, literally no one was close to him in the last couple decades except ronaldinho maybe but he wasn't at the top for very long.
You're Brazilian, and you guys are known for your love for football and how good you are, so you would know what I'm talking about
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I don't disagree that messi is the best, but also I don't agree with the argument used by the guy in # 170
You have 0 IQ (not lying) if you think CR7 > Messi without any bias involved
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UFC - Connor McGregor.
CS 1.6 - elemeNt.
CS:GO - device rn.
CS Source - shox.
Dota 2 - n0tail.
Chess - Misha Osipov.
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"SpawN" was better. I don't want to hear anything after that xDDDD
elemeNt GOAT IGL, multiple times best player of year + major champion\finalist (foR example, s1mple didn't achieve that while some ppl call him GOAT)
Plus mind reader.
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Do you realize there are way better tournaments than cpl that element never even won. There were way better players out there lol. You must be high if you even think he makes the top 10. We’re you even around for 1.6? In NOA xeqtr was the ingame leader and element still was a choke artist. He literally lost them games
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elemeNt carried NOA's ass lul.
elemeNt was so strong that he had to change team every year.
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He once had break (1 or 2 years, i don't remember), after the break he achieved semifinals of major tournament xD. After fookin break.
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"lurker with average aim"
I now see the level of your knowledges. Calling multiple times best player (more than two times, just saying) and mind reader IGL (no one was ever achieved that nickname, even gla1ve) just a lurker.
His name checks out man just ignorr him, one of the HLTV special idiots
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I love elemeNt but the accolades and stats favour f0rest/NEO/Markeloff/GeT_RiGht...
Misha Osipov lol
Arguments can be made for either Kasparov or Carlsen. I think Fischer is a stretch even though he was amazing.
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I agree. I am on team Carlsen, but I can see how people can argue in Kasparov's favor based on how long he was dominant.
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Kasparov was world champion for 15 years, Carlsen can probably beat that. Lasker is the best by period of dominance, he was world champion for 27 years. Another good candidate is Alekhine, who lost the title to Euwe in the middle, but was champion for a total of 17 years and the only one who died undefeated. Also Steinitz was the best for 28 years, but for the first 20 years it was unofficial, so if you count it, you would also have to count Philidor, who was unofficially the best for almost 50 years. Chess wasn't a serious sport back then, so I don't think the unofficial title counts. I would choose Lasker by that criterion. In terms of pure skill it's Carslen ofc, because of the era of computer analysis, even top 20 player would have easily beaten Kasparov in his top form right now, let alone the earlier ones.
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I think Lasker was champion in a period where we first hear many famous chess names. Tarrasch, Nimzowitch, Maroczy etc. But I think that Capablanca at his peak was much more dominant in a short period of time than Lasker ever was in his 27 years.
youtube.com/watch?v=CnQnJEj-Yxo
I think this is a good video that estimates each of their playing strengths by computer analysis. Capablanca was head and shoulders above the rest at 2700 when Lasker only ever got to mid 2600s. I understand that this computer analysis of who is the best isn't perfect, because the game has evolved in a huge way since the days of Steinitz and Lasker, but playing strength is playing strength. Fischer, Kasparov, Kramnik, Anand, and Carlsen's runs above 2900 are all really impressive as well.
I think it is hard to say who is truly the best. But I think we are in an age of chess where the player base at the very top has never been stronger. Like you said, today's top 20 are all ridiculously strong compared to even recent periods like the 80s. I think because Carlsen has been so dominant in today's era, he is the best for me.
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Not bait lul. Most famous, richest, UFC is relevant because of him.
First 2x champion. Only 3 loses in UFC, only 1 relevant lose of them (to Poirer)
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Never defended his belt, being richest and most famous doesn’t make someone GOAT. Guy doesn’t even have 1 title defense 😂😂
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Lost to Khabib only cuz first fight in 2 years + Khabib cheater on wrong weight devision.
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But Conor wasn't "weight cheating" when he fought at 145(where practically ALL of his success was, he is 1-2 at 155) even though he walks around at 180?
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I think GSP and john jones could be in the argument along side Khabib. As much as I love Connor personality he can't be the greatest of all time. The khabib lose is relevant even though he had ring rust and etc. He took the fight and was beaten badly. It really wasn't too close. U can make the argument that he wasn't the best prepared but still that doesn't change the fact that he lost to Khabib. Fame and wealth has no impact on how good of a fighter you are so that is irrelevant. He did make the UFC more relevant and is very entertaining to watch but still that doesn't mean he is the best fighter. First 2x champ is a fair argument but I don't think that is enough to overlook his loses. But I will still say Connor is still one of my favorite fighters to watch.
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Khabib may very well be the best fighter P4P based off of his utter domination, but I consider longevity, names and title defenses to be the true determining factor of GOAT status. He is surely top 5/6 but Jones, Silva, Fedor and GSP all have better claim to being GOAT of the sport. I'd probably put Khabib after them, but far above the next few names of Stipe, DC, DJ, and Aldo.
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Device GOAT but nt
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then GTR is the GOAT
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GSP, Silva, Jones and Emelianenko all probably have better claim to the title than khabib, even though khabib may very well be the most dominant fighter of all time. He needs more names beaten and title defenses to get goat status
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obvious answer would be tendulkar, ez)
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Bradman > all
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when it comes to batting the guy was a freak averaged 99.98 and played in the bodyline series and on uncovered wickets, next best batsman of his era averaged like 60 so to be a whole 40 better then the next best just puts him in a class of his own, even guys like Tendulkar and Kohli don't average much more then those around them.
only other players that come close for me would be Kallis and Sobers for there all round bat ball and field skills (sobers averaged 57.78 with the bat and 34 with the ball and Kallis averaged 55.37 with the bat and 32.65 with the ball)
lmao Puppey
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+1 but I personally think there are better ballers like wilt chamberlain
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im sure even federer will get to 21 in near future if hes healty thats nothing special. Clay surface is more difficult, you are more all around, you have complete game if you dominate clay, for example there is only 2 surfaces, lets be honest 1 tournament of wimbledon per year barely matters as extra surface,
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nt Djoko is GOAT
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oh, okay. I see, nice logic. I can help you get the money together for a brain surgery?
That guy who got dounuted two times rekt Fedal in h2h. He played both over 100 times. over 15 years. He took them appart, in every stat, in every number.
So you really have to go deep, to find such an unsignificant stat like this, to argue with me.
A BIG LUL. Cry is free for you men, I hope you will enjoy reading trash media and build your opinion upon on it.
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im gonna be really unpopular here but id say someone who loses 6-0 can barely be called a goat, i can even look from other perspective the guy who beats 6-0 two times from three meetings is true goat, best part is, nadal is not even his best form last years, far from it, most of his grandslam was won 10 years ago, well federer can be beaten in h2h hes like 7 year older than djokovic hes too old to be at his best, many players many players quit age 31, By time Federer should quit tennis because it was normal at that age, he beat djokovic around 10 times, i would like to see how djokovic play at age 38 lol.
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0 ball knowledge. Not suprised
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ofc 3iq portuguese will disagree. even your countries legend, Eusebio, thinks that messi is better than ronaldo
here we go again
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rpk??
are you high?
messi is no goat too
your list sucks even more after reading s1mple lol
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who won the most majors?
who won the most mvps?
who has 6 times in a row top5?
goat means greatest of all time, not the best of all time
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His skill is matched by Zywoo.
And Device has won more than s1mple. If we cared about most skilled, then Tom Brady shouldn't be up there for greatest American Football player. It is known that he has won the most super bowls, but many people dont think he is the most talented quarterback of all time. Tom Brady is kinda like the device of american football.
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Lol I didn't even say Zywoo was better and you're triggered? 2x HLTV #1 Zywoo is on par with s1mple.
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2018 s1mple is better than anything anyone will do
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1 great year isn't enough to make anyone a GOAT
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He had 3 God like years, 1 great year and 1 good year. May I ask, who the goat is in csgo and 1.6 for you then?
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I'm not saying s1mple is a bad player by any stretch of the imagination. I'm just saying that he needs to take his team to a championship victory before I can call him the GOAT. Otherwise it doesn't matter how hard he carries. If he can't carry them to a win, it's not good enough. And my reply in #63 was to point out that I think s1mple and zywoo can be discussed on equal terms skillwise. They are both some of the most mechanically gifted players counter strike has ever seen. I wasn't even picking which one I thought was better.
1.6 neo (was too young to really follow it properly, so I can be wrong here)
csgo device - most successful and extremely talented. Not the most talented, but has taken his team to the most championships.
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S1mple has a whole lot more shit players to carry than device. It's unreasonable to expect him to carry more than he already does/did. Its already inhuman. Why does device not have to be a god like player but s1mple has to for you?
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Because device wins.
No-one gives a shit about hand egg
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I car
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That's like saying Brady's not the GOAT because Peyton had a better arm. Winning majors is what counts. Every player that plays competitive csgo wants to win a major with their team. They will transfer between orgs until they find a place where they believe they can do this. Being #1 on HLTV's yearly ranking is just an added bonus for these guys. It's not their goal. When specifically asked about being ranked #1, device said he cares much more about winning another major. It's a team game. Part of being a great player is being on a great team.
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If Brady never won an MVP award he wouldn't be the GOAT but he's a 3x MVP and has been the best 3 times in his career. So he is eligible to be a GOAT. So no, it's nothing like saying Peyton Manning is better than Brady, he just has more MVPs but because they were both the best at some point they're both eligible for the discussion.
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I'm not talking about MVPs. I am talking about actual talent as a quarterback. Maybe Peyton was a bad example. Aaron Rodgers or Mahomes might be better examples.
It's the equivalent of saying that s1mple has better aim than device, but that doesn't make him the GOAT
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.. device has MVPs??
hltv.org/news/27806/device-wins-starladd..
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Ok so for you the discussion is between Zywoo, S1mple, Coldzera, GTR, and Olof (dont think im forgetting anybody)
If MVP of the year is so important, then why aren't Zywoo, Cold, and GTR all more goated than s1mple?
LOL you made a whole thread about this hahaha.
+1 for at least bringing more people to this conversation I think it's a good one.
0 IQ dog doesn't think messi is the goat, 0 ball knowlegde
chess: Kasparov
close/
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who is the best then?
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People are so obsessed with old time players just to seem like they're intelligent and know more about chess than others. The fact that you put Lasker above Kasparov is proof you are an idiot.
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You don't even have Fischer in the top 4? For real? Hahahahahahhaha
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+1 fisher is top3 chess players of all time for sure
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dont really know , my top
my top
1)kasparov
2)magnus
3)fisher
4)karpov
5)kapablanca
huh, magnus...
kasparov has the following achievements:
1)his battle against karpov in 80-90 was one of the most legendary confrontation of all sorts of sports(at chess it is the best scramble)
2)he has the highest fide rating for about 20years(the longest one)
3)he was the youngest chess champion
4)his chess game against topalov is considered to be the best chess game due to the longest chess combination(12 steps) by kasparov)
lasker and capablanca pass for the chess genuises but cant really be the greatest ones
magnus has the highest fide rating of all time but nowadays top 20 chess players has the way higher rating than players used to have 20-30 years ago
ur arguments for ur top?
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RJF noob?!?!?!?!?!
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What that great Fisher did? Breakthrough and title for a short period of time with fast degradation and diving into conspiracy theories after that? If we talking about real genius it's Capablanca who had insane accuracy rate for his time period by computer analysis. I don't see Fisher can make it to top-5 by any criterion except for charisma and USA cold war PR tbh. Kasparov is overrated too but here I can see at least some reasons to think he is the best. Another example of an overrated champion is Tal. Looks like people tend to overrate eccentric chess players with a combinational style and underestimate masters of positional game
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sorry indonesia but if you dont have Kasparov in your top 2 then you're braindead, I dont wanna call an indonesian braindead because they are awesome, but you crossed the line. congrats
supercross: jeremy mcgrath
Messi and Mayweather LMAO
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0 iq not suprised
CS:GO > TACO
motogp: marc marquez
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Marc will surpass him by quite a mile, look how many titles he have already 8 vs 9 from Rossi, and he is quite young still so... yeah, Rossi legend of the sport tho
WTF no cricket((((((
HAMILTON XAXAXAXAXAXAXA
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Muhammad Ali better
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not that much, but tyson was an incredible talent but he never actalually reached maximum of his potential
Imagine saying Lewis hamilton goat
It‘s either MSC or Senna
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me
F1: Lewis Hamilton?
Schumi for now
Michael Jordan, Michael Schumacher and Muhammad Ali...
My objective comments to this list.
Football: Lionel Messi (my pick as well, but both Pele, Maradona and CR7 are in contention)
Tennis: Novak Djokovic (would pick Federer over djokovic righr no, sure djokovic can go on to win more, but the way Federer played the game does it for me)
Basketball: LeBron James (MJ. As Obama said it "there is a reason you call someone the MJ of ...." goat was invented for MJ
F1: Lewis Hamilton (Schumacher. Not Ralf would be my choice, but I guess its fair to say Hamilton also)
Boxing: Floyd Mawyeather Jr. (Could go Muhammad Ali, just because he had more class)
Ice Hockey: Wayne Gretzky (no contest)
American football: Tom Brady (sadly have to agree, not a big fan, but you cant deny the facts on this guy)
Sprint: Usain Bolt (Yep)
Swimming: Michael Phelps (again no contest)
Baseball: Babe Ruth (was going to say Barry bonds, but the guy never won a world series. Ruth won 7. Honorable Mention in Joe DiMaggio (9ws) and Mickey Mantle(7ws) both with less HR than Ruth.
Mixed martial arts: Khabib Nurmagomedov (dont like the guy, for that reason alone i pick Jon Jones)
Freestyle wrestling: Buvaisar Saitiev (thought og Alexander Karelin, but thats greek-roman wrestling. Lost just once i his carrer to an american farmer who probably wrestledpigs his whole life. 9 wc and 3 olympic gold
Badminton: Lin Dan (Cant go wrong there)
Table tennis: Ma Long (sure, but Honorable Mention to Jan Owe Waldner as the best player not from china)
Handball: Mikkel Hansen (no, even thought im danish, its gotta be Nicola Karabatic
Squash: Jahangir Khan (who cares abour squash)
Skiing: Ingemar Stenmark (yes, but like Tomba la bomba or Aamodt better)
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Then he isn't Barry Bonds and wouldn't be discussed as one of the best baseball players ever. I think that's what you are missing. Yogi won the most rings as a catcher and isn't even considered top 5 in my opinion at the position.
No one is arguing you play for rings but unlike a 1v1 competitions or a game like basketball, being the best does not equate to being a good team. There are 8 position players in baseball and at least 1 pitcher and or DH... there is no way for someone to be the reason they win the World Series in that scenario.
Again, Mike Trout has a chance to be the best ever and hasn't even made the playoffs since his second year or something. There is nothing Mike Trout can do on an individual level to help his team become good enough to compete for a ring.
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In a year where we had few tournaments because covid and Nadal coming from an injury and Federer still out since Australian Open.
Djokovic is great but he is not even close to the real goat Federer.
Basketball or footbal for example you can debate, some may say LeBron and Ronaldo, others can say Jordan and Messi.
For me in tennis is no debate at all, Federer was, is and will be the greatest of all times.
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Some saying device the goat because of achievements.Those achievements were because of team,not device.Any decent awper could replace device holding passive angles,falling back playing safe.Try replacing simple in Na'vi . It's hard to replicate what simple does.There's just one person who matches his level, zywoo.The only reason he isn't goat is because he hasn't stayed at the top for that many years.
Astralis is a goat csgo team,no doubt about it.Can't say the same about device.S1mple in any team is a force to reckon with.device only thrives under astralis because of it's structured style which is more team based.
I doubt many people would tune in to watch device playing the safest of cs.You'd see alot more watching s1mple changing the whole round by himself.
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suck off s1mple harder dude. s1mple would be a lot worse if he didn't bait his whole team xDDD
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Appreciating a player who is at the top for so many years is hardly unbelievable.Just because he baits his teammates right now doesn't take away his raw skill as a player.And i wouldn't expect anything less coming out of your mouth having schlong for a name.Just don't project your closet tendancies on other people.
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"Just because he baits his teammates right now doesn't take away his raw skill" - did I ever say he didn't have a high amount of raw skill? Stop jumping to conclusions buddy. I only implied his rating and stats are inflated cuz he baits all of his teammates. That doesn't mean I think he can't aim and is a noob.
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I do with zywoo entry fragging :)
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S1mple entry frags sometimes idk what you're talking about
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"sometimes", once in a blue moon you mean? Zywoo goes first on inferno and dust 2 T-side consistently
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Just because zywoo chooses to do so doesn't necessarily mean s1mple has to follow that. Team setups are decided by igl or coach. Zywoo doing that doesn't make him better skillwise. It just shows he's a better team player and his igl/coach is willing to incorporate that into the team.
Rapha is currently the best of all the GOATs. Dude literally hasn't lost a tournament during the lifespan of the current iteration of Quake.
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I saw him loose to some random guy from BIG and I don‘t even watch Quake normally
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you can add starcraft brood war - flash to your list
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Zoomer list with a huge amount of recency bias.
Lmao so hard rn at GOATs in tennis and basketball. Le4-6 is Currys long lost son axaxaxxaxa
Stopped reading after
Tennis: Novak Djokovic
Basketball: LeBron James
F1: Lewis Hamilton
Must be a zoomer
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About to call you “nT bOoMeR oLd hEaD” lmao
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ofc 0 IQ dog from portugal is gonna tihnk ronaldo is the GOAT. Just say you have 0 football knowledge
Boxing: Muhammad Ali
device for csgo and not even close
Football: Lionel Messi ?????????? KKKKKKKKKKKK
Tennis: Novak Djokovic ?????????????????? kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
Basketball: LeBron James ?????????????????????????????????????? OMEGALUL
If these are your goats, you're either trolling or you never watched any of these sports.
Football you could say Pelé, Cruyff, and even Cristiano has a better career
Tennis: Federer by far
Basketball: You gotta be kidding me, any answer different than MJ and you're stupid
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"never watched any of these sports. " so why do ~80% of unbaised commentators, analysts, footballers, ex-footballers, managers say Messi is the GOAT? lmfao actually 0IQ swede.
You're the one that does not watch sport
youtube.com/watch?v=qBHRpIOVSq8&list=LL&..
i guess this guys never watched football
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0 IQ dog, 0 sports knowledge, not suprised
messi>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ronaldo
All extremely respectable opinions, friend. :)
Have a good day.
s1mple GOAT of cs 0/8
weak bait
goat of chess is kasparov
froyotech cs team when??
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B4nny > gla1ve
SC2 WoL: IM-Mvp
SC2 HotS: Taeja
SC2 LotV: Serral
fixed for you
> Chess: Magnus Carlsen
Hikaru Nakamura
>Quake: Shane "rapha" Hendrixson
Anton "Cooller" Singov
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Ok eurotrash fakeflagger.
Even Caruana > Carlson let alone Nakamura.
The only reason EU players are currently higher in ranks is that the US players haven't played a single ranked game this year.
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Mixed martial arts: Khabib Nurmagomedov NOPE
Fabricio Werdum >>>
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Tennis: Definitely Federer
Football: Cristiano Ronaldo
I think this list is pretty accurete
you included squash but not cricket? kkkkkkkkk
I love ruth but I don't think the great bambino is the goat of baseball, i'd say its between marino and ted williams
pele goat
boxing : muhammad ali
Leo Messi goat lol. messi world cup's 0. football have players more important for thier countries teams, and cities than messi. Ex: johan cruijff (netherland) even Maradona is more important for argentina than messi, Ronaldo (the brazilliam. without the knees injuries he could be the goat), Cafu, Matthaus, and etc.
basketball goat Michael Jordan.
CS-GO i think is fallen cuz i'm brazilliam :)
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You must be dumb.
I can accept a guy to be goat from dinosaur era.
Matthaus? I haven't seen a guy more overrated. Literally at his time there was no discipline in defenses like nowadays teams have. Running behind was so easy that he would make those passes all day and farm assists.
Anyone before 2000 is irrelevant except Zinedine Zidane. Cafu lmao literally a full back. Just keep saying people from dinosaur era. Cristiano Ronaldo and Zinedine Zidane are clearly greatest of all times. Cristiano over Zidane as ZZ was inconsistent. Cristiano has won a Euros with a shit team.
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ok i'm dumb and you say "anyone before 2000 is irrelevant" bro you don't know about football. keep in cs please. it's the dumbest thing I've ever read in my life.
cafu 2 world cup's tied with 3 teams have more than england and spain.if i put all the relevant titles and individual awards of cafu here i will spend over a day here. bro you know who is the REAL GOAT is the one who have 3 world cup's over 1000 goals in carrer and etc. but of course you don't know about football :)
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