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GOAT of each sport
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Finland DTeeVee 
"Traditional" sports: Football: Lionel Messi Tennis: Novak Djokovic Basketball: LeBron James F1: Lewis Hamilton Boxing: Floyd Mawyeather Jr. Ice Hockey: Wayne Gretzky American football: Tom Brady Sprint: Usain Bolt Swimming: Michael Phelps Baseball: Babe Ruth Mixed martial arts: Khabib Nurmagomedov Freestyle wrestling: Buvaisar Saitiev Badminton: Lin Dan Table tennis: Ma Long Handball: Mikkel Hansen Squash: Jahangir Khan Skiing: Ingemar Stenmark Other: Chess: Magnus Carlsen Snooker: Ronnie O'Sullivan Counter-Strike: Filip "NEO" Kubski Counter-Strike: Source: Cédric "RpK" Guipouy Counter-Strike: Global Offensive: Oleksandr "s1mple" Kostyliev Melee: Adam "Armada" Lindgren Street Fighter: Daigo "Daigo" Umehara DotA: Clement "Puppey" Ivanov League of Legends: Lee "Faker" Sang-hyeok StarCraft 2: Joona "Serral" Sotala Quake: Shane "rapha" Hendrixson Team Fotress 2: Grant "b4nny" Vincent
2021-03-08 19:05
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Lebron AND s0mple? 0/8 Are you even a real Astralis fan?
2021-03-08 19:06
18 replies
who is better than simple
2021-03-08 19:06
16 replies
Device accomplished more and Zywoo became better way quicker so technically both but some people prefer 1 or the other.
2021-03-08 19:08
15 replies
Name flag and flair checks out
2021-03-08 20:03
1 reply
Indeed but he is still right
2021-03-08 20:25
ok, ''s0mple_is_in_my_flair''
2021-03-08 22:16
s1mple's been winning games alone since like 2015 so yeah s1mple is the goat, sorry
2021-03-09 02:13
8 replies
goat 0 major nice device 4 major s0mple 0 major get over it
2021-03-09 05:06
7 replies
device zero top1. Shows that even the second best team in the history of cs can’t carry his ass to a top1. But hey at least carried him to 4 majors tho 🤷🏿‍♂️
2021-03-09 08:45
6 replies
s0mple fans only use the rankings when it benefit them. i could bring up zywoo and s0mple fans immediately discredit the top 20. pick 1 is it relevant or not?
2021-03-09 09:03
5 replies
Who said it’s not relevant lmao ? Just bc fatty made it doesn’t mean he will continue it. The only reason he got it in 2019 is bc of 2nd and 3rd place were AFK whilst he was getting set up by his team. In 2020 the only reason is a fucking rmr mvp lmao which sums up his two fluke years. But it’s good your sorry ass went from 4 mAjOrS tO tWo ToP1s. What’s next, sorry ass basement dweller ? Continue to imply for others and imagining kid :)
2021-03-09 09:33
4 replies
ez bait
2021-03-09 09:34
3 replies
That’s when you know this kid took a fat L :) Ez W
2021-03-09 09:35
2 replies
says the kid who wrote an essay no one will read all because you fell for the bait
2021-03-09 09:36
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eZ bAiT “Essay”. Does your essay include 3-4 sentences your small brain can’t read and process, eutardo ? Get back in your moms basement :)
2021-03-09 11:17
#265
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Sweden hilebard
device has accomplished more but not as individual performance. Zywoo has been on a similar level on an individual level but for a much shorter period of time
2021-03-09 11:41
1 reply
+1
2021-03-09 13:16
If you honestly have zywoo over s1mple in the goat conversation you're fucking delusional. Idc who you think is better, s1mple obv is greater
2021-03-09 13:58
+1 mj > lebum
2021-03-08 23:12
device GOAT of CS:GO nt
2021-03-08 19:06
5 replies
lmao no way your main got banned permanently haha
2021-03-08 19:37
lmao no way you are replying to your alt's thread
2021-03-08 19:49
#125
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Serbia LtN))
are you disagreeing with your own alt?
2021-03-08 20:17
1 reply
he is bipolar
2021-03-08 21:58
Ahahha alts are not allowed on hltv
2021-03-10 13:37
#5
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United States sen0r_vac
F1: Schumacher or Clark
2021-03-08 19:07
16 replies
Or senna
2021-03-08 19:43
13 replies
yeah, there's a few GOATs in F1. I guess Hamilton is one of them but I'd like to see a less dominant Mercedes. When people said Ferrari with Schumi was boring, too dominant... Mercedes: Hold my beer
2021-03-08 19:45
12 replies
Yeah but no car has ever been this dominant.
2021-03-08 19:47
5 replies
that's my point lol. I had a bad feeling before they switched to hybrids when I heard how much Mercedes had planned ahead and invested in the powertrain alone.
2021-03-08 19:48
1 reply
Yeah all part of the Mercedes Masterplan.
2021-03-08 19:50
On the other hand, no other driver has ever been this dominant. Even if you look back at Schumacher with Ferrari, Michael was the undisputed number one driver (in the Mercedes of the early 2000's) who was gifted wins by Barrichello. Hamilton never has never been in this position. He's had to beat all of his teammates fair and square. Solely for this reason Hamilton > Schumacher, even if Schumacher was at his peak in the 90's. A case can be made for Clark and maybe Senna and Prost though.
2021-03-08 21:56
2 replies
Hmm I mean he lost to button and Rosberg. But I can see your point. it‘s kind of hard to compare eras tho
2021-03-08 21:59
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He did, but once again, on the other hand, in his maiden season Hamilton beat the (double) defending WDC in Alonso. Button and Rosberg are both great drivers (and WDC's) as well, whilst Michael was never paired with another champion (if I recall correctly). But you are right. It's impossible to compare eras, which makes this kinda pointless xd
2021-03-08 23:00
you can say that about many sports football: messi, ronaldo, pele, maradona bball: lebron, mj, larry bird, magic, kobe, snooker: o'sullivan, stephen hendry, steve davis same for cs 1.6 - f0rest, neo, even markeloff csgo - s1mple, zywoo even device, cold and olof cs overall: get_right
2021-03-08 20:45
5 replies
+1 all have their own unique strengths and playstyles
2021-03-08 20:45
#285
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Luxembourg x1fy
guardian
2021-03-09 13:10
3 replies
nah, i wouldnt say guardian as i wouldnt say kenny, even tough kennys is one of my favorite players probably best dedicated awpers ever, but not goat on the game
2021-03-09 13:52
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#302
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Luxembourg x1fy
yeah but if cold is there and olof too, then kenny would deserve a spot or fallen or guardian
2021-03-09 14:06
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fallen not so much, for the simple reason that when fallen was on his peak he had cold on the team, playing even better but ok, kenny and guardian are some of the goats
2021-03-10 00:06
F1: Leclerc bestest ofc!!! jokes aside i are think schumacher is goat, hamilton close second. only kimi was able to bring wdc to ferrari after schumi left and i think that's a statement. if merc lose hamilton, bring in russell and win like nothing happen (assuming they dont fuck up pit stop again)
2021-03-08 22:18
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hamilton's consistency is from another world tho even tho i hate it, i have to admit it
2021-03-09 13:53
stopped reading at Football: Lionel Messi
2021-03-08 19:07
10 replies
#36
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Brazil UvvU
it's either messi or cr7
2021-03-08 19:26
Leo Messi 6 ballons d'or cr7 5, fact, you can'y disagree.
2021-03-08 23:04
6 replies
+1
2021-03-08 23:04
that's like say that taco is better than s1mple cuz taco have 2 majors and s1mple zero (lol)
2021-03-09 02:22
4 replies
#249
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Morocco royflord
???? that's more like saying coldzera has 2 top 1 and s1mple has only 1 wdym??
2021-03-09 09:14
3 replies
that's exactly my point! lol. numbers do not totally define the best player, because if that were the case Héctor Rial would be the best player who ever played in europe
2021-03-09 12:53
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#294
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Morocco royflord
I'm saying that you're mixing between team achievements and individual ones But yeah, numbers won't show you who the best players are, but in messi's case they do. Just watching him play and you having an eye for football will make you realize that he's by far the best in his generation, literally no one was close to him in the last couple decades except ronaldinho maybe but he wasn't at the top for very long. You're Brazilian, and you guys are known for your love for football and how good you are, so you would know what I'm talking about
2021-03-09 13:42
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I don't disagree that messi is the best, but also I don't agree with the argument used by the guy in # 170
2021-03-09 14:41
You have 0 IQ (not lying) if you think CR7 > Messi without any bias involved
2021-03-08 23:16
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You have 0 IQ (not lying) if you think Messi > CR7 without any bias involved
2021-03-08 23:17
UFC - Connor McGregor. CS 1.6 - elemeNt. CS:GO - device rn. CS Source - shox. Dota 2 - n0tail. Chess - Misha Osipov.
2021-03-08 19:09
29 replies
Neo and F0rest are both far more accomplished than elemeNt lol. Element was good but not carrying his team or 1 tapping heads. That’s kind of like people saying Heaton is a goat. Just look at him trying to aim compared to neo. It’s a joke
2021-03-08 19:11
11 replies
Nope.
2021-03-08 19:11
9 replies
What did element do, win a couple of cpl’s? Do you know how minuscule of an accomplishment that is lol. Even members of his own team were better. SpawN was better
2021-03-08 19:13
8 replies
"SpawN" was better. I don't want to hear anything after that xDDDD elemeNt GOAT IGL, multiple times best player of year + major champion\finalist (foR example, s1mple didn't achieve that while some ppl call him GOAT) Plus mind reader.
2021-03-08 19:15
7 replies
Do you realize there are way better tournaments than cpl that element never even won. There were way better players out there lol. You must be high if you even think he makes the top 10. We’re you even around for 1.6? In NOA xeqtr was the ingame leader and element still was a choke artist. He literally lost them games
2021-03-08 19:20
6 replies
elemeNt carried NOA's ass lul. elemeNt was so strong that he had to change team every year.
2021-03-08 19:22
5 replies
Element and xeqtr were the lowest fraggers on that team. Only difference for xeqtr is he had an excuse not to frag, he was the leader. You are delusional indeed. Also after he left NOA his career was over. Didn’t win anything
2021-03-08 19:26
4 replies
He once had break (1 or 2 years, i don't remember), after the break he achieved semifinals of major tournament xD. After fookin break.
2021-03-08 19:27
3 replies
That’s cool but neo single handedly won eswc. He top fragged every map by a long shot all the way to the final to win. Nobody can say that element has ever done that. He’s never carried anybody in his entire career. He was basically a lurker with average aim
2021-03-08 19:30
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"lurker with average aim" I now see the level of your knowledges. Calling multiple times best player (more than two times, just saying) and mind reader IGL (no one was ever achieved that nickname, even gla1ve) just a lurker.
2021-03-08 19:34
His name checks out man just ignorr him, one of the HLTV special idiots
2021-03-09 00:11
+1 I love elemeNt but the accolades and stats favour f0rest/NEO/Markeloff/GeT_RiGht...
2021-03-08 22:21
elemeNt LUL
2021-03-08 19:34
Misha Osipov lol Arguments can be made for either Kasparov or Carlsen. I think Fischer is a stretch even though he was amazing.
2021-03-08 19:36
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#71
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Europe Vallon4
Carlsen should be better. Stronger opponents, studying from strongest engines AlphaZero/stockfish, and already drawed him at age 13.
2021-03-08 19:44
3 replies
I agree. I am on team Carlsen, but I can see how people can argue in Kasparov's favor based on how long he was dominant.
2021-03-08 19:45
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#267
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Russia Feuerbach
Kasparov was world champion for 15 years, Carlsen can probably beat that. Lasker is the best by period of dominance, he was world champion for 27 years. Another good candidate is Alekhine, who lost the title to Euwe in the middle, but was champion for a total of 17 years and the only one who died undefeated. Also Steinitz was the best for 28 years, but for the first 20 years it was unofficial, so if you count it, you would also have to count Philidor, who was unofficially the best for almost 50 years. Chess wasn't a serious sport back then, so I don't think the unofficial title counts. I would choose Lasker by that criterion. In terms of pure skill it's Carslen ofc, because of the era of computer analysis, even top 20 player would have easily beaten Kasparov in his top form right now, let alone the earlier ones.
2021-03-09 12:08
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+1 I think Lasker was champion in a period where we first hear many famous chess names. Tarrasch, Nimzowitch, Maroczy etc. But I think that Capablanca at his peak was much more dominant in a short period of time than Lasker ever was in his 27 years. youtube.com/watch?v=CnQnJEj-Yxo I think this is a good video that estimates each of their playing strengths by computer analysis. Capablanca was head and shoulders above the rest at 2700 when Lasker only ever got to mid 2600s. I understand that this computer analysis of who is the best isn't perfect, because the game has evolved in a huge way since the days of Steinitz and Lasker, but playing strength is playing strength. Fischer, Kasparov, Kramnik, Anand, and Carlsen's runs above 2900 are all really impressive as well. I think it is hard to say who is truly the best. But I think we are in an age of chess where the player base at the very top has never been stronger. Like you said, today's top 20 are all ridiculously strong compared to even recent periods like the 80s. I think because Carlsen has been so dominant in today's era, he is the best for me.
2021-03-09 18:58
connor mcGregor nice b8
2021-03-08 19:43
9 replies
Not bait lul. Most famous, richest, UFC is relevant because of him. First 2x champion. Only 3 loses in UFC, only 1 relevant lose of them (to Poirer)
2021-03-08 19:47
8 replies
Never defended his belt, being richest and most famous doesn’t make someone GOAT. Guy doesn’t even have 1 title defense 😂😂
2021-03-08 20:04
How can Connor be the GOAT if he got clapped by Khabib? Khabib is undefeated and beat Poirer
2021-03-08 20:05
3 replies
Lost to Khabib only cuz first fight in 2 years + Khabib cheater on wrong weight devision.
2021-03-08 20:08
2 replies
ahhhh yes he is cheating because when he steps on a scale and it says 155 lbs he isn't 155 lbs. All UFC fighters fight below there "walking around" weight but that doesn't mean he is cheating.
2021-03-08 20:53
But Conor wasn't "weight cheating" when he fought at 145(where practically ALL of his success was, he is 1-2 at 155) even though he walks around at 180? 0/8
2021-03-09 01:55
I think GSP and john jones could be in the argument along side Khabib. As much as I love Connor personality he can't be the greatest of all time. The khabib lose is relevant even though he had ring rust and etc. He took the fight and was beaten badly. It really wasn't too close. U can make the argument that he wasn't the best prepared but still that doesn't change the fact that he lost to Khabib. Fame and wealth has no impact on how good of a fighter you are so that is irrelevant. He did make the UFC more relevant and is very entertaining to watch but still that doesn't mean he is the best fighter. First 2x champ is a fair argument but I don't think that is enough to overlook his loses. But I will still say Connor is still one of my favorite fighters to watch.
2021-03-08 20:07
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Khabib may very well be the best fighter P4P based off of his utter domination, but I consider longevity, names and title defenses to be the true determining factor of GOAT status. He is surely top 5/6 but Jones, Silva, Fedor and GSP all have better claim to being GOAT of the sport. I'd probably put Khabib after them, but far above the next few names of Stipe, DC, DJ, and Aldo.
2021-03-09 02:00
1 reply
+1
2021-03-09 10:46
+1 for Misha
2021-03-09 08:49
Mj goat of basketball
2021-03-08 19:08
2 replies
+1
2021-03-08 22:13
+1
2021-03-08 23:11
F1: Michael Schumacher
2021-03-08 19:09
Device GOAT but nt
2021-03-08 19:09
2 replies
You can't be the greatest of all time if you were never the greatest. If device ever gets top 1 I'll declare him the GOAT but it's an oxymoron to claim someone is the GOAT when they were never the best when they played.
2021-03-08 20:06
1 reply
then GTR is the GOAT
2021-03-08 20:18
khabib 🤣🤣
2021-03-08 19:10
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#25
s1mple | 
Russia UM4R
who then? you dont know shit about mma i know that for a fact
2021-03-08 19:14
3 replies
flag checks out
2021-03-08 19:17
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#31
s1mple | 
Russia UM4R
who then? only ones that come to mind are either gsp or jon jones
2021-03-08 19:21
1 reply
GSP, Silva, Jones and Emelianenko all probably have better claim to the title than khabib, even though khabib may very well be the most dominant fighter of all time. He needs more names beaten and title defenses to get goat status
2021-03-09 02:03
#15
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Pakistan LoOuU2
Where cricket
2021-03-08 19:11
5 replies
obvious answer would be tendulkar, ez)
2021-03-09 09:35
4 replies
#258
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Pakistan LoOuU2
Yes but Kohli when his career ends.
2021-03-09 10:08
3 replies
Bradman > all
2021-03-09 17:18
2 replies
#308
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Pakistan LoOuU2
Flag checks out
2021-03-09 17:19
1 reply
when it comes to batting the guy was a freak averaged 99.98 and played in the bodyline series and on uncovered wickets, next best batsman of his era averaged like 60 so to be a whole 40 better then the next best just puts him in a class of his own, even guys like Tendulkar and Kohli don't average much more then those around them. only other players that come close for me would be Kallis and Sobers for there all round bat ball and field skills (sobers averaged 57.78 with the bat and 34 with the ball and Kallis averaged 55.37 with the bat and 32.65 with the ball)
2021-03-09 17:25
lmao Puppey 0/8
2021-03-08 19:11
+1 but I personally think there are better ballers like wilt chamberlain
2021-03-08 19:11
#18
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Hungary Rollie
Serral Goat? I love the guy but I don't think there is a justified GOAT in sc2 yet, it's just too competetive
2021-03-08 19:11
#19
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Kuwait roye
i just knew this thread gonna be bait about djokovic beeing the goat lol probably by fakeflag serb, no djokovic is not the goat and never will be. its between Nadal and Federer, djokovic is second tier compared to them.
2021-03-08 19:12
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#96
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Poland Jutiant
Novak is all around a much more complete player than the king of clay. Its between Djo vs Roger
2021-03-08 19:52
7 replies
#98
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Kuwait roye
Nah, nadal has 20 grand slam titles, Fed also, djokovic 18. Nadal is more all around player because clay gives you brain dominating on clay is extremely difficult.
2021-03-08 19:54
6 replies
#101
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Poland Jutiant
How can you say "more all around player" while most of his titles came on one surface? Djokovic leads h2h vs both of them. Novak will get to 21 in the near future anyways.
2021-03-08 19:57
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#102
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Kuwait roye
im sure even federer will get to 21 in near future if hes healty thats nothing special. Clay surface is more difficult, you are more all around, you have complete game if you dominate clay, for example there is only 2 surfaces, lets be honest 1 tournament of wimbledon per year barely matters as extra surface,
2021-03-08 19:59
#108
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Kuwait roye
how djokovic can be all around if he havent won anything on clay, he just winning everythong on not that important surface the grass, which has 1 tour per year and hes very dominant at it, hes not versatile at all
2021-03-08 20:03
1 reply
#124
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Poland Jutiant
2016 FO? Aussie open 9x, wimbledon 5x, USO 3x
2021-03-08 20:10
#127
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Finland DTeeVee
Why is everyone fixated on 21? It's almost insulting to Djoko. He can go 25+ when all is said and done
2021-03-08 20:19
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#130
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Kuwait roye
because 18 is highest he can go i think
2021-03-08 20:23
nt Djoko is GOAT
2021-03-08 23:08
Djokovic is superior in all numbers. He is the undisputed goat, and with his form and age, he will easy overtake the slamrecord. Its Djokovic, cry is free for everyone who disagrees
2021-03-09 12:57
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#281
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Kuwait roye
your goat lost 6-0 two times from three played :D hes not even close to goat
2021-03-09 13:03
3 replies
oh, okay. I see, nice logic. I can help you get the money together for a brain surgery? That guy who got dounuted two times rekt Fedal in h2h. He played both over 100 times. over 15 years. He took them appart, in every stat, in every number. So you really have to go deep, to find such an unsignificant stat like this, to argue with me. A BIG LUL. Cry is free for you men, I hope you will enjoy reading trash media and build your opinion upon on it.
2021-03-09 13:07
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#291
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Kuwait roye
im gonna be really unpopular here but id say someone who loses 6-0 can barely be called a goat, i can even look from other perspective the guy who beats 6-0 two times from three meetings is true goat, best part is, nadal is not even his best form last years, far from it, most of his grandslam was won 10 years ago, well federer can be beaten in h2h hes like 7 year older than djokovic hes too old to be at his best, many players many players quit age 31, By time Federer should quit tennis because it was normal at that age, he beat djokovic around 10 times, i would like to see how djokovic play at age 38 lol.
2021-03-09 13:34
#293
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Kuwait roye
So you really have to go deep, to find such an unsignificant stat like this>>>>>>>> every stat is significant for you if djokovic is leading it, flags checks out now please stop responding to me peasant.
2021-03-09 13:35
Ronaldo is the GOAT
2021-03-08 19:12
6 replies
#27
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Argentina Proxx_Arg
Yeah... the one from Brazil
2021-03-08 19:15
2 replies
he's not even best in brazil dkmm
2021-03-08 20:04
1 reply
#145
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Argentina Proxx_Arg
Yes he is
2021-03-08 20:49
0 ball knowledge. Not suprised
2021-03-08 23:17
2 replies
#257
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Portugal Jwyz
0/8
2021-03-09 09:46
1 reply
ofc 3iq portuguese will disagree. even your countries legend, Eusebio, thinks that messi is better than ronaldo
2021-03-09 13:16
here we go again
2021-03-08 19:12
#22
perk  | 
Finland eIe
Marcel Hirscher>Ingemar Stenmark Ceb>Puppey
2021-03-08 19:13
2 replies
#128
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Finland DTeeVee
ceb :D:D::D:D:D:D:D:D::D
2021-03-08 20:20
1 reply
#136
perk  | 
Finland eIe
Ceb GOAT, 4 majors as a coach, back to back TI as a player
2021-03-08 20:27
rpk?? are you high? messi is no goat too your list sucks even more after reading s1mple lol
2021-03-08 19:13
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#28
s1mple | 
Russia UM4R
who if not s1mple? he is the goat skill wise
2021-03-08 19:15
23 replies
who won the most majors? who won the most mvps? who has 6 times in a row top5? goat means greatest of all time, not the best of all time
2021-03-08 19:25
22 replies
#39
s1mple | 
Russia UM4R
well then he is the boat, right?
2021-03-08 19:27
#40
s1mple | 
Russia UM4R
but seriously just stfu youre stupid
2021-03-08 19:28
11 replies
His skill is matched by Zywoo. And Device has won more than s1mple. If we cared about most skilled, then Tom Brady shouldn't be up there for greatest American Football player. It is known that he has won the most super bowls, but many people dont think he is the most talented quarterback of all time. Tom Brady is kinda like the device of american football.
2021-03-08 19:38
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#61
s1mple | 
Russia UM4R
"His skill is matched by Zywoo." ok dude ok
2021-03-08 19:39
7 replies
Lol I didn't even say Zywoo was better and you're triggered? 2x HLTV #1 Zywoo is on par with s1mple.
2021-03-08 19:40
6 replies
2018 s1mple is better than anything anyone will do
2021-03-08 23:24
5 replies
1 great year isn't enough to make anyone a GOAT
2021-03-08 23:32
4 replies
He had 3 God like years, 1 great year and 1 good year. May I ask, who the goat is in csgo and 1.6 for you then?
2021-03-08 23:34
3 replies
I'm not saying s1mple is a bad player by any stretch of the imagination. I'm just saying that he needs to take his team to a championship victory before I can call him the GOAT. Otherwise it doesn't matter how hard he carries. If he can't carry them to a win, it's not good enough. And my reply in #63 was to point out that I think s1mple and zywoo can be discussed on equal terms skillwise. They are both some of the most mechanically gifted players counter strike has ever seen. I wasn't even picking which one I thought was better. 1.6 neo (was too young to really follow it properly, so I can be wrong here) csgo device - most successful and extremely talented. Not the most talented, but has taken his team to the most championships.
2021-03-08 23:38
2 replies
S1mple has a whole lot more shit players to carry than device. It's unreasonable to expect him to carry more than he already does/did. Its already inhuman. Why does device not have to be a god like player but s1mple has to for you?
2021-03-08 23:45
1 reply
Because device wins.
2021-03-09 00:00
No-one gives a shit about hand egg
2021-03-08 23:35
1 reply
I car
2021-03-08 23:38
you can not be the greatest of all time if you were never the greatest in your time. if device ever gets top 1 then I will consider him the goat but you can't be considered the goat if you were never the best player. It's an oxymoron.
2021-03-08 20:09
8 replies
That's like saying Brady's not the GOAT because Peyton had a better arm. Winning majors is what counts. Every player that plays competitive csgo wants to win a major with their team. They will transfer between orgs until they find a place where they believe they can do this. Being #1 on HLTV's yearly ranking is just an added bonus for these guys. It's not their goal. When specifically asked about being ranked #1, device said he cares much more about winning another major. It's a team game. Part of being a great player is being on a great team.
2021-03-08 23:34
7 replies
If Brady never won an MVP award he wouldn't be the GOAT but he's a 3x MVP and has been the best 3 times in his career. So he is eligible to be a GOAT. So no, it's nothing like saying Peyton Manning is better than Brady, he just has more MVPs but because they were both the best at some point they're both eligible for the discussion.
2021-03-09 00:34
6 replies
I'm not talking about MVPs. I am talking about actual talent as a quarterback. Maybe Peyton was a bad example. Aaron Rodgers or Mahomes might be better examples. It's the equivalent of saying that s1mple has better aim than device, but that doesn't make him the GOAT
2021-03-09 00:39
5 replies
Yes of course but only s1mple has a right to be discussed as a GOAT because he has an MVP. If you were never the best of your time how can you be the best of all time?
2021-03-09 00:40
4 replies
2021-03-09 01:51
3 replies
MVP as in top 1. As in MVP of the year
2021-03-09 02:04
2 replies
Ok so for you the discussion is between Zywoo, S1mple, Coldzera, GTR, and Olof (dont think im forgetting anybody) If MVP of the year is so important, then why aren't Zywoo, Cold, and GTR all more goated than s1mple?
2021-03-09 02:12
LOL you made a whole thread about this hahaha. +1 for at least bringing more people to this conversation I think it's a good one.
2021-03-09 02:29
0 IQ dog doesn't think messi is the goat, 0 ball knowlegde
2021-03-08 23:17
chess: Kasparov close/
2021-03-08 19:24
17 replies
#42
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Indonesia woooi15
Not even close to best
2021-03-08 19:29
16 replies
who is the best then?
2021-03-08 19:31
13 replies
#52
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Indonesia woooi15
1.magnus 2.lasker 3.capablanca 4.kasparov
2021-03-08 19:34
12 replies
People are so obsessed with old time players just to seem like they're intelligent and know more about chess than others. The fact that you put Lasker above Kasparov is proof you are an idiot. /closed
2021-03-08 19:39
5 replies
#66
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Indonesia woooi15
You are the one wanting to be seen intelligent it seems 0/8
2021-03-08 19:43
4 replies
You don't even have Fischer in the top 4? For real? Hahahahahahhaha
2021-03-08 19:44
3 replies
+1 fisher is top3 chess players of all time for sure
2021-03-08 19:45
2 replies
#90
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Indonesia woooi15
Yes i forgot fischer men, but not top3 imo
2021-03-08 19:48
1 reply
dont really know , my top my top 1)kasparov 2)magnus 3)fisher 4)karpov 5)kapablanca
2021-03-08 19:59
huh, magnus... kasparov has the following achievements: 1)his battle against karpov in 80-90 was one of the most legendary confrontation of all sorts of sports(at chess it is the best scramble) 2)he has the highest fide rating for about 20years(the longest one) 3)he was the youngest chess champion 4)his chess game against topalov is considered to be the best chess game due to the longest chess combination(12 steps) by kasparov) lasker and capablanca pass for the chess genuises but cant really be the greatest ones magnus has the highest fide rating of all time but nowadays top 20 chess players has the way higher rating than players used to have 20-30 years ago ur arguments for ur top?
2021-03-08 19:44
1 reply
#87
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Indonesia woooi15
Hmm maybe thats true, still i think lasker is still better or equal to kasparov cuz his dominance,
2021-03-08 19:48
RJF noob?!?!?!?!?!
2021-03-08 20:54
2 replies
#271
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Russia Feuerbach
What that great Fisher did? Breakthrough and title for a short period of time with fast degradation and diving into conspiracy theories after that? If we talking about real genius it's Capablanca who had insane accuracy rate for his time period by computer analysis. I don't see Fisher can make it to top-5 by any criterion except for charisma and USA cold war PR tbh. Kasparov is overrated too but here I can see at least some reasons to think he is the best. Another example of an overrated champion is Tal. Looks like people tend to overrate eccentric chess players with a combinational style and underestimate masters of positional game
2021-03-09 12:33
1 reply
sorry indonesia but if you dont have Kasparov in your top 2 then you're braindead, I dont wanna call an indonesian braindead because they are awesome, but you crossed the line. congrats
2021-03-08 23:23
yeah, being the best player in the world for 22 years means nothing, indonesian brain
2021-03-08 19:38
1 reply
#73
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Indonesia woooi15
If u open wikipedia abt lasker it literally said 27 years
2021-03-08 19:44
supercross: jeremy mcgrath
2021-03-08 19:26
Messi and Mayweather LMAO
2021-03-08 19:28
1 reply
0 iq not suprised
2021-03-08 23:22
CS:GO > TACO
2021-03-08 19:29
#45
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Spain Crusher_CS
motogp: marc marquez
2021-03-08 19:30
2 replies
flag check rossi>
2021-03-08 19:40
1 reply
Marc will surpass him by quite a mile, look how many titles he have already 8 vs 9 from Rossi, and he is quite young still so... yeah, Rossi legend of the sport tho
2021-03-08 20:08
WTF no cricket((((((
2021-03-08 19:32
#49
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Hungary iamCypress
HAMILTON XAXAXAXAXAXAXA
2021-03-08 19:33
1 reply
+1
2021-03-08 19:46
A millenial list for sure Lebron? Floyd? Carlsen? I think you never heard about Michael Jordan, Mike Tyson and Bobby Fischer in your short span of life
2021-03-08 19:37
5 replies
Mike Tyson being the greatest boxer of all time is the funniest comment so far on this topic
2021-03-08 20:08
3 replies
Muhammad Ali better
2021-03-08 20:33
2 replies
Well, yea, not only Ali, I think there's at least 80-90 different boxers who had a much better resume, and 60+ who could be considered better.
2021-03-08 20:49
1 reply
not that much, but tyson was an incredible talent but he never actalually reached maximum of his potential
2021-03-08 22:13
#129
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Finland DTeeVee
I am sure you were alive in Fischer was playing lol
2021-03-08 20:22
Imagine saying Lewis hamilton goat It‘s either MSC or Senna
2021-03-08 19:38
1 reply
#176
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Brazil vgzz
+1
2021-03-08 23:11
#64
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Poland Hanse
Before picking modern day chess players - remember that people back then had no stockfish, no online lectures and lack of opponents. Imo Kasparov is goat, although Alehine is strong contender
2021-03-08 19:40
3 replies
Mikhail Tal and Bobby Fisher too
2021-03-08 19:44
2 replies
tal is indeed a great player ,his playstyle was 1 of the most exiting but unfortunately he is not even in top 5
2021-03-08 20:07
1 reply
#139
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Poland Hanse
He is #1 when it comes to watching his wins but unfortunately he wasn't close to the top
2021-03-08 20:30
#65
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Poland humen))))
Ski Jumping: Kamil Stoch
2021-03-08 19:41
1 reply
#292
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Finland eIe
Nt Matti Nykänen GOAT by far
2021-03-09 13:35
me
2021-03-08 19:44
F1: Lewis Hamilton? Schumi for now
2021-03-08 19:45
1 reply
Forza Schumi
2021-03-08 19:45
Michael Jordan, Michael Schumacher and Muhammad Ali...
2021-03-08 19:45
My objective comments to this list. Football: Lionel Messi (my pick as well, but both Pele, Maradona and CR7 are in contention) Tennis: Novak Djokovic (would pick Federer over djokovic righr no, sure djokovic can go on to win more, but the way Federer played the game does it for me) Basketball: LeBron James (MJ. As Obama said it "there is a reason you call someone the MJ of ...." goat was invented for MJ F1: Lewis Hamilton (Schumacher. Not Ralf would be my choice, but I guess its fair to say Hamilton also) Boxing: Floyd Mawyeather Jr. (Could go Muhammad Ali, just because he had more class) Ice Hockey: Wayne Gretzky (no contest) American football: Tom Brady (sadly have to agree, not a big fan, but you cant deny the facts on this guy) Sprint: Usain Bolt (Yep) Swimming: Michael Phelps (again no contest) Baseball: Babe Ruth (was going to say Barry bonds, but the guy never won a world series. Ruth won 7. Honorable Mention in Joe DiMaggio (9ws) and Mickey Mantle(7ws) both with less HR than Ruth. Mixed martial arts: Khabib Nurmagomedov (dont like the guy, for that reason alone i pick Jon Jones) Freestyle wrestling: Buvaisar Saitiev (thought og Alexander Karelin, but thats greek-roman wrestling. Lost just once i his carrer to an american farmer who probably wrestledpigs his whole life. 9 wc and 3 olympic gold Badminton: Lin Dan (Cant go wrong there) Table tennis: Ma Long (sure, but Honorable Mention to Jan Owe Waldner as the best player not from china) Handball: Mikkel Hansen (no, even thought im danish, its gotta be Nicola Karabatic Squash: Jahangir Khan (who cares abour squash) Skiing: Ingemar Stenmark (yes, but like Tomba la bomba or Aamodt better)
2021-03-08 19:48
5 replies
#100
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United States BGS
World Series mean nothing in baseball when it comes to your legacy. The game relies on to much individualism for anyone to be knocked by not winning. Go take a look at what Bonds did in the World Series he was a part of. Plus look at Mike Trout. Doesn't even make the playoffs.
2021-03-08 19:56
4 replies
I did say i was close to picking Bonds
2021-03-08 20:03
3 replies
#110
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United States BGS
Yes but you specifically mentioned you didn't because of the World Series.
2021-03-08 20:04
2 replies
Of cause championships count. I'm sure Barry Bonds would give his most HR record to Babe in exchange for 7 world series titles.
2021-03-08 21:30
1 reply
#234
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United States BGS
Then he isn't Barry Bonds and wouldn't be discussed as one of the best baseball players ever. I think that's what you are missing. Yogi won the most rings as a catcher and isn't even considered top 5 in my opinion at the position. No one is arguing you play for rings but unlike a 1v1 competitions or a game like basketball, being the best does not equate to being a good team. There are 8 position players in baseball and at least 1 pitcher and or DH... there is no way for someone to be the reason they win the World Series in that scenario. Again, Mike Trout has a chance to be the best ever and hasn't even made the playoffs since his second year or something. There is nothing Mike Trout can do on an individual level to help his team become good enough to compete for a ring.
2021-03-09 02:54
#89
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Europe legal2333
"Counter Strike : Source : Rpk" KEKW Its actually Richard shox Papillon 2008 top 1 - shox 2009 top 1 - shox 2010 top 1 - RpK 2011 top 1 - shox nt
2021-03-08 19:48
1 reply
massive facts
2021-03-09 00:05
Tennis: Djokovic Yeah...not.
2021-03-08 19:50
2 replies
#131
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Finland DTeeVee
He literally broke the record for most weeks at #1 today
2021-03-08 20:24
1 reply
In a year where we had few tournaments because covid and Nadal coming from an injury and Federer still out since Australian Open. Djokovic is great but he is not even close to the real goat Federer. Basketball or footbal for example you can debate, some may say LeBron and Ronaldo, others can say Jordan and Messi. For me in tennis is no debate at all, Federer was, is and will be the greatest of all times.
2021-03-08 22:35
#97
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France Jaune
Basketball = LeBron 0/8 GOAT is Jordan, always has been, always will be.
2021-03-08 19:52
1 reply
+1
2021-03-09 13:14
Some saying device the goat because of achievements.Those achievements were because of team,not device.Any decent awper could replace device holding passive angles,falling back playing safe.Try replacing simple in Na'vi . It's hard to replicate what simple does.There's just one person who matches his level, zywoo.The only reason he isn't goat is because he hasn't stayed at the top for that many years. Astralis is a goat csgo team,no doubt about it.Can't say the same about device.S1mple in any team is a force to reckon with.device only thrives under astralis because of it's structured style which is more team based. I doubt many people would tune in to watch device playing the safest of cs.You'd see alot more watching s1mple changing the whole round by himself.
2021-03-08 19:54
8 replies
suck off s1mple harder dude. s1mple would be a lot worse if he didn't bait his whole team xDDD
2021-03-08 21:01
7 replies
Appreciating a player who is at the top for so many years is hardly unbelievable.Just because he baits his teammates right now doesn't take away his raw skill as a player.And i wouldn't expect anything less coming out of your mouth having schlong for a name.Just don't project your closet tendancies on other people.
2021-03-08 22:07
6 replies
"Just because he baits his teammates right now doesn't take away his raw skill" - did I ever say he didn't have a high amount of raw skill? Stop jumping to conclusions buddy. I only implied his rating and stats are inflated cuz he baits all of his teammates. That doesn't mean I think he can't aim and is a noob.
2021-03-08 22:10
5 replies
That goes for any star players in the team . Team's follow the bait setup for the same reason. You don't see a skilled player bait for less skilled player.
2021-03-08 22:39
4 replies
I do with zywoo entry fragging :)
2021-03-08 23:14
3 replies
S1mple entry frags sometimes idk what you're talking about
2021-03-08 23:27
2 replies
"sometimes", once in a blue moon you mean? Zywoo goes first on inferno and dust 2 T-side consistently
2021-03-08 23:30
1 reply
Just because zywoo chooses to do so doesn't necessarily mean s1mple has to follow that. Team setups are decided by igl or coach. Zywoo doing that doesn't make him better skillwise. It just shows he's a better team player and his igl/coach is willing to incorporate that into the team.
2021-03-09 06:55
9 is the cs go goat
2021-03-08 19:59
Rapha is currently the best of all the GOATs. Dude literally hasn't lost a tournament during the lifespan of the current iteration of Quake.
2021-03-08 19:59
4 replies
#132
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Finland DTeeVee
Yes. That's why I chose him.
2021-03-08 20:24
I saw him loose to some random guy from BIG and I don‘t even watch Quake normally
2021-03-08 23:29
1 reply
Killsen I think you should know top players from your own country.
2021-03-09 02:09
He did. First season of QPL. Killsen and Cooller have defeated him in stage 1 & 2 if I remember correctly.
2021-03-09 02:06
you can add starcraft brood war - flash to your list
2021-03-08 20:01
Love how nobody has any clue about any of these sports, yet they give their opinion after one google search
2021-03-08 20:03
2 replies
#113
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Kuwait roye
well , for me not that is the funniest, but for example that people talk about things they probably dont understand like f1 or chess,just because someone name' sounds cooler' he is the goat :D
2021-03-08 20:04
#137
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Finland DTeeVee
+1
2021-03-08 20:28
Agree except Formula 1. LH is among the greatest. Not GOAT.
2021-03-08 20:05
Zoomer list with a huge amount of recency bias. Lmao so hard rn at GOATs in tennis and basketball. Le4-6 is Currys long lost son axaxaxxaxa
2021-03-08 20:08
1 reply
#133
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Finland DTeeVee
ok boomer
2021-03-08 20:25
#135
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United Kingdom MiCroE
melee is mang0 nt
2021-03-08 20:27
Stopped reading after Tennis: Novak Djokovic Basketball: LeBron James F1: Lewis Hamilton Must be a zoomer
2021-03-08 20:29
1 reply
+1 About to call you “nT bOoMeR oLd hEaD” lmao
2021-03-09 08:43
stopped reading at Lionel Messi
2021-03-08 20:31
1 reply
ofc 0 IQ dog from portugal is gonna tihnk ronaldo is the GOAT. Just say you have 0 football knowledge
2021-03-08 23:18
Boxing: Muhammad Ali
2021-03-08 20:34
device for csgo and not even close
2021-03-08 20:50
Football: Lionel Messi ?????????? KKKKKKKKKKKK Tennis: Novak Djokovic ?????????????????? kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk Basketball: LeBron James ?????????????????????????????????????? OMEGALUL If these are your goats, you're either trolling or you never watched any of these sports. Football you could say Pelé, Cruyff, and even Cristiano has a better career Tennis: Federer by far Basketball: You gotta be kidding me, any answer different than MJ and you're stupid
2021-03-08 20:57
2 replies
"never watched any of these sports. " so why do ~80% of unbaised commentators, analysts, footballers, ex-footballers, managers say Messi is the GOAT? lmfao actually 0IQ swede. You're the one that does not watch sport
2021-03-08 23:20
youtube.com/watch?v=qBHRpIOVSq8&list=LL&.. i guess this guys never watched football
2021-03-09 12:30
#163
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Spain lordjd3
imagine believing that Djokovic beats Federer or Nadal KEKW
2021-03-08 22:20
OMG Ronaldo>Messi MJ >>>>>>>>>>Lebron Nadal>>>>>Djokivic Schumacher>>>>>>>>>>>Hamilton Rest??? didn´t even read that list to the end smh
2021-03-08 22:21
2 replies
0 IQ dog, 0 sports knowledge, not suprised
2021-03-08 23:20
messi>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ronaldo
2021-03-09 09:11
All extremely respectable opinions, friend. :) Have a good day.
2021-03-08 22:22
s1mple GOAT of cs 0/8
2021-03-08 23:09
#177
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France FanchD
MJ > Lebron
2021-03-08 23:11
respectable, only thing i would change is MJ>lebron
2021-03-08 23:14
weak bait
2021-03-08 23:16
goat of chess is kasparov
2021-03-08 23:23
froyotech cs team when??
2021-03-08 23:26
1 reply
B4nny > gla1ve
2021-03-08 23:27
SC2 WoL: IM-Mvp SC2 HotS: Taeja SC2 LotV: Serral fixed for you
2021-03-08 23:32
> Chess: Magnus Carlsen Hikaru Nakamura >Quake: Shane "rapha" Hendrixson Anton "Cooller" Singov
2021-03-08 23:31
7 replies
#210
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United States logantk
magnus is no doubt better than hikaru lmao
2021-03-09 00:05
5 replies
Ok eurotrash fakeflagger. Even Caruana > Carlson let alone Nakamura. The only reason EU players are currently higher in ranks is that the US players haven't played a single ranked game this year.
2021-03-09 02:15
4 replies
quick escalation but expected from a frustrated trump supporter tbh
2021-03-09 02:17
1 reply
#236
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United States logantk
ik lmao im no fake flagger either
2021-03-09 04:03
#237
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United States logantk
im a fan of hikaru but my man check chess records magnus win more tournaments and higher elo
2021-03-09 04:03
#274
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Russia Feuerbach
Both Caruana and So have higher rating than Nakamura, is there an excuse for that?
2021-03-09 12:47
#273
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Russia Feuerbach
Are you judging by amount of twitch viewers or by bullet rating? He is not even top-10 right now, not even talking about all time.
2021-03-09 12:45
#213
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United States Goob
hot take that hbox isn’t better than armada when you have lebron over jordan ,,
2021-03-09 00:38
1 reply
#269
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United Kingdom MiCroE
2021-03-09 12:02
Judo: Teddy Riner 154 winstreak, undefeated between 2010 and 2020 However Djokovic is clearly not tennis goat, Federer is with the record of Grand Slams won
2021-03-09 02:14
2 replies
#278
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Russia Feuerbach
Nadal also have 20 Grand Slams
2021-03-09 12:54
1 reply
Yes but he's a clay player, while Federer is good on every surface
2021-03-09 14:39
#229
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Vietnam Kaguya
F1: Hamilton 0/8 Aryton Senna is greater
2021-03-09 02:19
Pelé 3 WC There is not even a competition here.
2021-03-09 02:35
Mixed martial arts: Khabib Nurmagomedov NOPE Fabricio Werdum >>>
2021-03-09 02:37
Massive recently bias with Chess. Magnus is great but has the advantage of computers to analyse far beyond the human mind The GOAT for chess IMO is Kasparov.
2021-03-09 02:56
1 reply
+1
2021-03-09 09:12
Tennis: Definitely Federer Football: Cristiano Ronaldo
2021-03-09 07:02
I think this list is pretty accurete
2021-03-09 09:11
Messi G.O.A.T.
2021-03-09 09:37
you included squash but not cricket? kkkkkkkkk
2021-03-09 09:38
#264
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Australia Cheesle2
B4nny deserves more recognition. He is the driving force behind TF2 esports.
2021-03-09 11:35
Have you ever heard about the real GOAT Michael Jordan?
2021-03-09 11:43
#268
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Finland Naiku
Device goat not s1mple xd
2021-03-09 12:01
I love ruth but I don't think the great bambino is the goat of baseball, i'd say its between marino and ted williams
2021-03-09 12:37
Perfect List, But I think Michael Schumacher, is Goat of F1. Cuz he won it different.
2021-03-09 12:49
#276
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Canada JC_123
Babe Ruth not even top 100 mens
2021-03-09 12:51
#279
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Bosnia and Herzegovina Foxxyownz
skipped to csgo and instantly stopped reading at s0mple
2021-03-09 12:57
pele goat
2021-03-09 13:08
boxing : muhammad ali
2021-03-09 13:13
#290
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Brazil twisK
Leo Messi goat lol. messi world cup's 0. football have players more important for thier countries teams, and cities than messi. Ex: johan cruijff (netherland) even Maradona is more important for argentina than messi, Ronaldo (the brazilliam. without the knees injuries he could be the goat), Cafu, Matthaus, and etc. basketball goat Michael Jordan. CS-GO i think is fallen cuz i'm brazilliam :)
2021-03-09 13:29
2 replies
You must be dumb. I can accept a guy to be goat from dinosaur era. Matthaus? I haven't seen a guy more overrated. Literally at his time there was no discipline in defenses like nowadays teams have. Running behind was so easy that he would make those passes all day and farm assists. Anyone before 2000 is irrelevant except Zinedine Zidane. Cafu lmao literally a full back. Just keep saying people from dinosaur era. Cristiano Ronaldo and Zinedine Zidane are clearly greatest of all times. Cristiano over Zidane as ZZ was inconsistent. Cristiano has won a Euros with a shit team.
2021-03-09 13:57
1 reply
#306
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Brazil twisK
ok i'm dumb and you say "anyone before 2000 is irrelevant" bro you don't know about football. keep in cs please. it's the dumbest thing I've ever read in my life. cafu 2 world cup's tied with 3 teams have more than england and spain.if i put all the relevant titles and individual awards of cafu here i will spend over a day here. bro you know who is the REAL GOAT is the one who have 3 world cup's over 1000 goals in carrer and etc. but of course you don't know about football :)
2021-03-09 14:51
ARMWRESTLING: ALIZHAN MURATOV
2021-03-09 13:51
Football: Cristiano Ronaldo(no way that choker) Chess: Gary Kasparov(quite easily, dk what Magnus has over Gary except computers) Counter strike: f0rest 1.6: Neo Source: shox Global offensive: devvegod(lmao somebody said s0mple) F1: Schumacher Tennis: Federer(Djoker is no comparison) Basketball: MJ (Le bron James is just overrated) Swimming: Phelps Boxing: Mohammad Ali
2021-03-09 13:52
Sex with me: Your mom 😎
2021-03-09 13:55
CSGO : Device DOTA : n0tail
2021-03-09 14:47
Handball: Nikola Karabatic or Omeyer but not Hansen for sure
2021-03-10 13:06
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