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"device GOAT of CS:GO"
EliGE | 
United States camdavis9 
Many people cite device's long list of achievements and top 5 rankings for proof of his GOAT status. While all that is certainly proof he's one of the greatest to ever play the game, how you can be the greatest of ALL TIME if you were never the greatest in YOUR TIME? It's an oxymoron to claim you can be the greatest of all eras of CS:GO when you were never the best player in a single era.
2021-03-08 20:12
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not that again ResidentSleeper
2021-03-08 20:13
He was the best for a long time. HLTV.org top1 isn't official. Its just one moron and his opinion. Just like you have an opinion and I have an opnion. Device top1, device goat
2021-03-08 20:14
31 replies
it's literally based on analysis by several people (and some personal thoughts)
2021-03-08 20:17
10 replies
No, its not. Its one person and his opinion.
2021-03-08 20:18
5 replies
source: ;)
2021-03-08 20:18
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2021-03-08 20:18
#85
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United States GGtho
Just trust him bro
2021-03-09 00:43
Professeur or someone from hltv said that last word always goes for twgri1s
2021-03-09 02:09
#93
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
The list is created by one person but more than one person oversees the creation of the "Top 20 players of X year". As opposed to still being technically an opinion, it is objectively based upon the websites statistics, leading to a more "officialised" version of statistically the best player of that year; however, like always, context needs to be taken into account.
2021-03-09 02:24
AND whatever pre-arranged order they want to push into people subjective rankings dont mean shit
2021-03-09 06:33
3 replies
If the top20 doesnt mean shit at all so just make your own list based i your analysis. HLTV isnt an absolute true but its the best he got + would suck not having someone or some org not trying to do a serious ranking of the players
2021-03-09 08:20
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my dude, that's something OBVIOUS. there's no absolute, empirical way to know the "best" at any given sport or activity because not everyone has the same concept of "best" and what it actually means. there's no actual best player whatsoever. same as in football or anything else. the top20 ofcourse grossly ressembles, statistically, the list of players who are more influential to the game. but from that, the actual n°1 spot will always be a close battle between the top3, there will be variability in that. and any other spot in the list anyway. n°1 could be split between the first 5, n°10 could be anyone from 5 to 10, and so on. it's approximative but not perfect.
2021-03-09 09:15
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q passa boludo calm down
2021-03-09 09:31
2015 dev wasnt best, olof bestest 2016 cold bestest 2017 cold bestest again 2018 best year a cs go player has ever had, s1mple was on another dimension 2019 same as 2018, but slightly worse, zywoo was on another level 2020 same as above lol
2021-03-08 20:25
Successful with his team - yes, never the best tho
2021-03-08 20:31
14 replies
How do you measure 'best'? Stats? The bait and exit kill-era. Confirmed by zoomer on HLTV.org.
2021-03-08 20:32
13 replies
Individually ''the best'', stats have something to do with it, but most people see it clearly even on the eye test. Ofc you would say others baited their way to top1 lol.
2021-03-08 20:34
11 replies
Using NaVi fans logic s1mple cannot be the goat. He have 0 majors - so he is not the most achieved He have 1 #1 on hltv - cold and zywoo have 2 Dev1ce if you count achievements Coldzera or Zywoo if you count personal glory
2021-03-08 20:46
10 replies
Not really, it's still ongoing and many things can change. s1mple consistent at being a top1-2 player for 3 years now and still going strong while cold not even in top20 for some time. Zywoo doing good, but 2 years is not nearly enough to talk about goat, we should wait and see.
2021-03-08 20:51
3 replies
s1mple's career hasn't been long enough for him to be a goat either.
2021-03-09 05:48
2 replies
Yeah, but surely much longer than ZywOo, including playing on tier1 ofc.
2021-03-09 07:53
1 reply
Yes definitely longer than Zywoo
2021-03-09 18:38
GTR 2x #1 and Major winner. He is bestest then.
2021-03-09 05:48
5 replies
I’d love to call gtr goat, but I honestly think S1mple is. If you take out achievement and team form, S1mple has had the best performances, maybe no major, but has been showing up big for the majority of the scene. Zyw0o has only been here a few years so we’ll have to see how he turns out, but I don’t feel like he’s had the same kind of big standout performances. Statwise yes, but he doesn’t usually make big plays solo, most of it is teamwork
2021-03-09 06:21
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But that's the thing. I don't think we should be taking out achievement and team form.
2021-03-09 18:41
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I suppose that’s fair. I suppose my counter is that it’s importance should be limited. As an example, hltv.org/matches/2345742/astralis-vs-nat.. Navi lost to astralis, but simple outperformed everyone in total (obviously I cherry picked this example but still). Are you saying that device should in theory be considered the greater player here for leading his team to a win, or S1mple, for the fact that his solo performance made a massive impact on the game? For this reason, I think the biggest part to deciding a goat should be their impact in the game. However, it’s super hard to decide what that is, because the “impact” rating doesn’t necessarily give the full story.
2021-03-09 21:19
olof 2 majors top1 without baiting major mvp graffiti play made major finals and won tier1 events with completely different roster
2021-03-09 12:28
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+1
2021-03-09 18:41
you can only go so far baiting your teammates to get better stats. The reality is no one baits enough to get top 10 stats solely because of sacrificing their teammates.
2021-03-09 00:39
#41
k1to | 
Germany BadBro
its just one moron and his opinion bruh haha its literally funny because you are also just one moron with your opinion
2021-03-08 20:34
He was never the best, not even close to it
2021-03-09 02:18
1 reply
he had multiple periods in his career where he was the best. name checks out
2021-03-09 12:31
#133
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Netherlands PasscaLl
+1
2021-03-09 12:29
Fan of teams Natus Vincere /closed
2021-03-08 20:14
7 replies
/open you're fat.
2021-03-08 20:15
5 replies
Boombl4 flair... American flag....
2021-03-08 20:16
4 replies
lol
2021-03-08 20:17
#39
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Finland DTeeVee
REKT
2021-03-08 20:33
ahahaha
2021-03-08 21:10
double trouble
2021-03-08 21:14
/Open Name checks out /closed
2021-03-08 21:43
It does make sense. I would argue it is between Olofmeister and S1mple, but S1mple keep this up in 2021 he will take over the top 1 GOAT status of CSGO.
2021-03-08 20:15
9 replies
s1mple is goat, such HUGE impact
2021-03-08 20:16
No he wont 1st of all zywoo is better 2nd of all device is goat /closed
2021-03-08 20:16
2 replies
You can't just be good for 1 or 2 years and be that good. You have to keep it up much longer. Nice try though.
2021-03-08 20:18
#62
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Algeria LOBYA6AJIN
If zywoo gets 1 more top 1 this year and next 2 years maybe top 2 i think he can be the goat.
2021-03-08 20:48
#10
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Ecuador Ageless
Olof career done after wrist injury, cs didnt just stop for him...
2021-03-08 20:16
And some idiot will say Zlatan is the best footballer ever. You're both morons.
2021-03-08 20:22
#89
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Vietnam Kaguya
no major yet
2021-03-09 02:13
Olof???
2021-03-09 04:34
olof until s0mple wins a major
2021-03-09 12:25
No Top#1 No Goat
2021-03-08 20:15
#6
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Finland RamboAAA
Why do you kids keep doing these shitty threads?
2021-03-08 20:15
s1mple is the GOAT
2021-03-08 20:17
1 reply
nah
2021-03-08 21:14
4 Majors 2 Major MVPs Most MVPs Most trophies along with xyp9x and dupreeh consistently in top3
2021-03-08 20:19
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#33
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Brazil pooternd
even i can do that abusing the awp
2021-03-08 20:30
8 replies
then do it
2021-03-08 20:32
1 reply
+1
2021-03-08 20:48
Then how do you explain Device being top 3 in 2015 as a rifler?
2021-03-08 20:36
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#49
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Brazil pooternd
baiting teammates, hunting kills desperately at ecos, the moment he knows 1 player has pistol he goes running to kill them all
2021-03-08 20:42
3 replies
Dude, we're not talking about S1mple here.
2021-03-08 20:44
2 replies
0/8
2021-03-08 20:58
+1
2021-03-08 21:16
+1
2021-03-09 12:25
#20
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North America Straf3R
not the greatest, but the most consistent for sure. At least until zywoo and s1mple put up the same numbers they have for as long as dev1ce. No one can deny that dev1ce has been probably the most consistent performer in t1 csgo for pretty much the whole game
2021-03-08 20:21
thread by prob stupid s0mple or zywho fan no major no goat, man. just accept
2021-03-08 20:20
#22
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Denmark urm@m
dumb thread but its s1mple by far. Dominated everywhere he went.
2021-03-08 20:21
9 replies
#27
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Panama Bill_Bait
except in majors... and tournaments wins.... but he did dominate in bait and exit frags so you got that one right
2021-03-08 20:23
Ever seen a major?
2021-03-08 20:23
7 replies
#50
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Denmark urm@m
sure, the one he carried liquid to the finals?
2021-03-08 20:42
6 replies
The one he choked?
2021-03-08 20:42
5 replies
#52
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Denmark urm@m
top rated player, didnt know csgo was a 1 man game. defo a baiter
2021-03-08 20:43
4 replies
Bottom rated player in the final
2021-03-08 20:44
3 replies
#56
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Denmark urm@m
actually was top on his team, but ok lol. no more replies dumb b8
2021-03-08 20:45
2 replies
hltv.org/matches/2303403/sk-vs-liquid-es.. 0.63 rating. I love s1mple, but please don't go around spreading lies. In the grand final against SK he didn't perform well. Nobody did though.
2021-03-09 05:53
hltv.org/stats/matches/mapstatsid/32417/.. final vs sk s1imple worst player in the final and vs astralis hltv.org/stats/matches/mapstatsid/74128/.. true zeus was the worst player in the final not simple
2021-03-09 05:58
#24
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Norway Lassii
I would say he's the Most Decorated CSGO player yes, but not the goat
2021-03-08 20:22
"Greatest in YOUR time" is a pretty vague phrase now isnt it, you cite being top1 as great, which is fine in its own way, but device was greatest in his own time cuz of his achievements, which is another way to look at it All in all, he is one of the GOATs, others exist too.
2021-03-08 20:22
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I don't think anyone has enough to be considered the undisputed GOAT but if device had an MVP year I think he would have the most rightful claim to it. That being said, I don't think he'll ever be the greatest player in the world.
2021-03-09 02:25
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Like I replied to you in the other thread: device does not ever play for stats. Astralis is not built around getting him good stats like Navi is built around s1mple. Or even the way Zywoo was in the ALEX IGl era ("zywoo go kill"). Device has played at the highest level (consistently top5) for slightly longer than s1mple and has accomplished more than him. I can't understand why you don't think major wins matter when it comes to determining a GOAT. Even if you don't want to pick device, there's still GTR and coldzera who have both won more majors than s1mple and have had more #1 spots than s1mple.
2021-03-09 05:59
#26
device | 
Denmark JKTP
But no matter who you think it is it's an oxymoron Is it S1mple? But he has no Major wins Is it ZywOo? But he too has no major wins and he is quite a new face Olof or cold? But they where only at their peek for a 1-1.5 year/years. Dev1ce is not the most capable player of all time but he has been the most consistent. He is also by far the player who has achieved the most (Except maybe his won comrades)
2021-03-08 20:22
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+1 for now goat is device, but it can get more competitive in future, zywoo has a good run so far, s1mple very consistent since he started playing, anything can happen.
2021-03-08 21:08
device is goat, 4 majors 5 top 5s 4 top 3 /closed
2021-03-08 20:29
Depends on your criteria for GOAT. The argument for what constitutes the GOAT is personal opinion. If you believe you need hltv top 1 to be the GOAT, then under your criteria dev1ce cannot be it. However, for others that might not be the case
2021-03-08 20:31
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It's funny how people always so stuff like "no top 1 no goat" but completely disregard Zywoo and Coldzera's 2 top 1's. If they value top 1's that highly then surely S1mple is not the goat. It's obvious how biased S1mple fans are.
2021-03-08 20:40
7 replies
You can't decide goat rn, it's still ongoing, but the least I can say that s1mple and device are more consistent than cold and zywoo has played not enough yet
2021-03-08 20:47
+1, cold and olof should get more shouts for GOAT over s1mple tbh, looking at all other sports GOATs, not the most talented always, but almost always the most successful and consistent Tom Brady is not the most talented football player, but def the GOAT due to consistency and success or look at another esport, pengu is not the most skilled Siege player, but was the most consistent and successful the idea you have to have some arbitrary #1 makes no sense if you actually look at the bigger picture
2021-03-08 20:48
4 replies
"Tom Brady is not the most talented football player, but def the GOAT due to consistency and success" who? Messi and Ronaldo are the GOATs of football
2021-03-08 20:51
3 replies
muricans
2021-03-08 21:21
#98
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Algeria LOBYA6AJIN
Its american football mens :D
2021-03-09 02:34
1 reply
who cars? its not the real football
2021-03-09 04:15
The thing is that it's about Greatest of "ALL TIME" which implies there needs to be an element of longevity throughout all 8 years of the game in which device is the best.Cold has 2 top1s which is absolutely great,but where are the other 6 years?Same for Zywoo but even more pronounced. They had incredible peaks but not a lot of longevity,thats why its hard to pick them as the GOAT
2021-03-09 13:07
I think he is likely to be considered Best Of All Time, as the greatest like you said implies that he beat everyone individually when there were many throughout his career who bested him individually
2021-03-08 20:33
he may be the most consistent of all time but 100% not the best
2021-03-08 20:41
#60
ropz | 
Netherlands ONGix
No one with a brain actually thinks he is the GOAT, he has pretty achievements won by his team for him but mechanically not even top 50 in CS history
2021-03-08 20:48
12 replies
"but mechanically not even top 50 in CS history", can you name me 50 better players then thanks
2021-03-08 21:05
11 replies
#69
ropz | 
Netherlands ONGix
I can but I don't want to type that much, you can take the best 100 players in your opinion and with a probability of near 1 you'll pick a better player each time 👌
2021-03-08 21:10
10 replies
you sure? might be kinda hard to do that when dev1ce is on almost every top 20 hltv list for csgo
2021-03-08 21:12
9 replies
#71
ropz | 
Netherlands ONGix
You don't need to be good mechanically to be in the top 20, you can also have a high impact or a ton of mvps.
2021-03-08 21:13
8 replies
so you're telling me you can magically get mvp's and high impact while not being mechanically skilled? If so, please teach me so I can go pro too
2021-03-08 21:14
7 replies
invent cheats that can never be detected
2021-03-08 21:16
#77
ropz | 
Netherlands ONGix
Yeah sure, I'll list the steps roughly: 1) Get to a mechanical level of faceit level 8 2) Gain years and years of experience just to achieve mediocre game sense 3) Surround yourself with superb teammates that'll build their entire game plan with 200iq around the angles you hold 4) Click mouse button 1 when enemy model appears 5) Profit
2021-03-08 21:16
5 replies
so why is only 1 dev1ce in pro play? why astralis dint get a better sniper? why in first place u turn ur best rifler into a awper? why ur answer have 0iq?
2021-03-09 06:04
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#112
ropz | 
Netherlands ONGix
"why only 1 device in pro play" - Because other awpers also have pro-level mechanical skill to fall back on "why astralis didn't get a better sniper" - because they are usually going for harder kills which doesn't suit the "hold the corner and click enemy model" super tactic "why in first place u turn ur best rifler into an awper" - because he isn't Any more 0iq questions you need me to answer? I have nephews so I'm kinda good at this
2021-03-09 06:14
2 replies
all lies and once again a trash bait
2021-03-09 12:29
like the men above me only lies and trash bait so sad
2021-03-09 20:29
Its okay to think device isnt as skilled as someone like Zywoo and s1mple but its dumb to go full clown mode and say he is an average MM player which he clearly isnt.He is still a very highly skilled player,he has been one of the best for 5 years and thats not a coincidence. You cant use that stupid teammates argument because he was #3 in 2016 despite his team being absolute trash,he hardcarried them into relevance.
2021-03-09 13:00
Yeah.............no............ not being ranked #1 on hltv top 20 doesn't mean anything. This guy is playing top tier CS for YEARS with one of the highest consistency in the scene for years, major winner, mvp, and more and more. If that's not a goat for you, that's your problem.
2021-03-08 21:38
3 replies
how can you be the greatest of all time if you were never the greatest of your time?
2021-03-09 02:19
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#111
ropz | 
Netherlands ONGix
+1
2021-03-09 06:12
you're too dumb to understand, not worth my time.
2021-03-09 09:10
s1mple is the best to touch this game. There will most likely be no one like him again
2021-03-08 21:41
he is the goat at angle-holding
2021-03-08 21:42
device is known for being CONSISTENT.. he's not that flick guy, or for making "stop blowing my mind" moments, but he ALWAYS deliever.. he has a different style from most of the best awpers we've seen in CS, but he's still a BEAST in this game!
2021-03-09 00:44
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I know you didn't directly talk about s1mple, but still have to mention that he's just as consistent. Both rarely have bad games.
2021-03-09 08:05
#87
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United States GGtho
I think you misspelled "bot"
2021-03-09 00:50
#90
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Vietnam Kaguya
get right goat
2021-03-09 02:16
ever heard the story of the tortoise and the hare? you can be great in the short term and thats all well and good, but being great in the long term is far more impressive
2021-03-09 02:27
4 replies
the tortoise was shit in the long term and beat the hare who was great in the short term so what you're saying is: shit in long term > great in short term therefore edward > olofmeister
2021-03-09 14:58
3 replies
the tortoise was great in the long term, shit in the short term. the hare was great in the short term, shit in the long term. dont u know the story
2021-03-10 17:40
2 replies
the tortoise was slow as fuck idk what youre talm bout
2021-03-10 17:44
1 reply
yeah thats bad in the short term, but the tortoise never stopped and was very consistent. the hare was fast in the short term, but was inconsistent.
2021-03-10 18:42
#97
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
The problem with yet again the "GOAT"/"BOAT" is the conundrum that it cannot be treated as though it were factual, it isn't and never will be, it can only be contested and treated as an opinion despite the results, statistics and accolades. There should be contenders for the title, it would be impractically improbable to name just one due to the amount of variables needed. The difference being that Device is the best "candidate" for the title given the accolades, statistics and overall achievements but that still doesn't make it factual. Discussions about "GOAT" are never treated properly, unfortunately...
2021-03-09 02:27
1 reply
we can have a great discussion about this but we only get this type of post
2021-03-09 06:05
This is a classic argument against device. Although some of it is spite and disrespect, there is actually some truth in this. This leads us to the fact that no player in CSGo has everything. Every contender lacks something. I believe device is the closest. However, the argument that he was never the best, is actually a valid point, hindering him from being the undisputed GOAT.
2021-03-09 04:35
7 replies
its amazing cuzz dev1ce only need 1 top 1 to be goat, but for astralis playstyle i think they will get a 5 major and not that top 1
2021-03-09 06:08
2 replies
True :D And I believe device values that major more than a Top1 placing. That being said, many people think of this as an excuse for him not being the best, and regardless of reasonable justifications by people like us, it's difficult to convince otherwise.
2021-03-09 06:45
If Astralis didn't have that playstyle, it would be more difficult to get top1 for him cause of less team success and stats although might have been better, but not too much.
2021-03-09 08:00
What does coldzera lack?
2021-03-09 14:56
3 replies
only 2 good years
2021-03-09 20:31
2 replies
he had 4.5 good years 1 in 2016/7 10 in 2018 and was #21 in 2019 he was also a top 10 player for the first half of 2020
2021-03-09 22:00
1 reply
as if #21 and having occasional good matches for half a year was GOAT worthy
2021-03-09 22:06
Bro you know how averages work? Who's richer, the guy that made 1M dollars one year and AFKed for the next 9, or the guy that made 500k per year for 10 years?
2021-03-09 05:39
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I don't think this argument is valid because the context of making money is completely different from the context of prestige. It always comes back to the fact that it is an oxymoron to be the greatest of all time when you were never the greatest of your time when you played. That being said, I don't think anyone is close to being the undisputed GOAT of CS:GO. However, I do think you need to have been the best in the world at some point to even be in the conversation of being the greatest of ALL time.
2021-03-09 21:11
#113
DD | 
United States breasts
if he wasn't goat emilia would've left him already
2021-03-09 06:17
1 reply
lol yep She's not even close to 10/10 tho :>
2021-03-09 07:55
#124
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United States Haibara
Device is tom brady, not the most talented but most accomplished. S1mple is Aaron Rodgers, clearly the much better player but unlucky in major playoffs
2021-03-09 09:16
1 reply
hand egg no no
2021-03-09 14:56
NiKo GOAT /closed
2021-03-09 09:19
3 replies
nt Hunter's cousin
2021-03-09 09:52
2 replies
everything checks out
2021-03-09 14:52
1 reply
He is the goat of killing every team he plays for.
2021-03-09 14:56
+9999999999999 high iq burger olof is goat easy
2021-03-09 12:23
coldzera goat
2021-03-09 12:26
goat is probably cold in terms of having every single major achievement. Jack of all trades if you will. However people always mix up winningest player of all time and greatest. If device is the goat you should also consider dupreeh as the 2nd best player of all time which he clearly is not.
2021-03-09 14:55
2 replies
By my argument, the only players that can be in the conversation about being the GOAT of CS:GO are players that have been hltv top 1 at some point in their career. Even then, when you look at that list, I don't think anyone is close to being undisputed greatest of all time. However, I think s1mple has the greatest potential to be considered the greatest of all time.
2021-03-09 21:23
1 reply
at least use something relevant instead of a meaningless award given out by a webpage lmao
2021-03-09 22:05
#147
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Saudi Arabia alexobee2
You must be bored. Get over it. He is the GOAT of CS:GO
2021-03-09 18:42
Skillwise, GOATs are S1mple and Zywoo Based on achievement, dev1ce is up there. The fact that he didn't get top 1 doesn't make him a worse player
2021-03-09 22:02
#157
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African Union OllieMaN
Imagine thinking that someone could be the best without winning biggest events. Winning = greatness and anything else is just a plus anyone who is saying s1mple is the goat is honestly a casual. The only goat is Device 4x major champ 2x mvp and should have been 3x mvp. Nobody comes close /closed
2021-03-09 22:07
"Many DELUSIONAL* people"
2021-03-09 22:09
#159
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Denmark Kon10R
THAT discussion again ... It's a TEAM game. The question is: Is the starplayer playing for his TEAM, or is the team playing for the starplayer? Individual "superheroes" may take the spotlight for fancy moves and flashy stuff, but in the end ... WHO runs away with the trophies and the money? Dev1ce and his TEAM is THE most winning of all CS GO. (Fortunately we have seen Vitality and NaVi develop into great TEAMS over the last half a year or so. Zywoo and S1mple are wuuuuunderful to watch, but now their TEAMS are playing well together!)
2021-03-09 22:11
#160
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Turkey mgnary
best team? definitely yes. goat? i dont think so.
2021-03-09 22:29
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