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Turkey MrAycan 
which languages are same/similar/different ?
2021-03-15 18:38
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they all the same
2021-03-15 18:39
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Turkey MrAycan
really ? even greek ?
2021-03-15 18:40
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Yes, I am world's luggage specialist, feel free to ask me questions
2021-03-15 18:40
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ok what is the most beautiful language for ya mate
2021-03-15 18:41
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Suomi perkele sauna
2021-03-15 18:42
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10/10 man you are really world's luggage specialist
2021-03-15 18:42
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Thanks, you made me blushing
2021-03-15 18:44
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yes mate you was cool guy and now you're brutal alpha man specialist
2021-03-15 18:45
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well, it's all hard work, you know... BTW, do you know that alphabet is a combination of alpha and beta, the first 2 letters from Greek... alpha<>bet? Also a noice name for a betting site so you can earn money on kiddos if you don't have a plan for a living
2021-03-15 18:48
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Ireland tka4
Greek is a Hellenic language, just because some greek scholars laid down foundations for some Slavic languages, doesn't make Greek culturally close to South Slavic group, which is the majority of the languages in the Balkans. In fact, only Albanian and Greek are the only non-Slavic balkan languages... EDIT: Romanian and Turkish also, which makes them four entirely different from each other and the slavic family
2021-03-15 18:44
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+1, we take letters from greek
2021-03-15 18:44
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#77
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Finland Eestu
Are there any other similarities with Greek and the other Balkan languages? I'm learning Greek, but the Balkan languages are also really interesting and it's something I'd like to learn more about at some point.
2021-03-15 22:54
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Litteraly nothing, and when i say we took letters really on us Serbs and Bulgarians use cyrillic letters, because we are orthodox, and catholics dont
2021-03-16 01:00
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Sweden quacke
Interesting thing about them both is that both Albanian and Greek have their own language families entirely. Not only are they separate from the Slavic Balkan languages, they're separate from every other language as well. According to the chart you posted below Albanian is about equal distance linguistically from Romanian, Greek and Slovenian, while Greek is more closely related to French than it is to Serbian.
2021-03-15 18:47
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Greek is TUFF man, but there is good reason that their language is so unique, they are among the oldest civilizations on this part of the world
2021-03-15 18:56
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Sweden quacke
Not Greek, at least not as far as I know. Maybe some words here and there but they're from different language families entirely, the Balkan languages are all very similar because they're essentially different dialects of the same language. Bosnian, Serbian, Croatian, are all very similar. All three of those are Slavic languages. Greek, however, is a Hellenic language. Two different branches on the language family tree.
2021-03-15 18:43
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Brazil yakd
Dude already thinking about kicking jackz and amanek
2021-03-15 18:39
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Niko effect
2021-03-15 19:05
i didn't get it at first
2021-03-15 20:44
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#74
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Brazil yakd
But at least you got it now, its 8/8 commend for the smartest out here.
2021-03-15 22:38
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Brazil 2de
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2021-03-15 23:44
Good one kkkkkkkkk
2021-04-07 01:55
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Ireland tka4
cdn8.openculture.com/2017/08/27223953/le.. Croatian Bosnian Serbian nearly identical it seems
2021-03-15 18:40
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Great graph
2021-03-15 18:57
Great graph indeed, tyty
2021-03-15 19:01
Feels weird to see Euskera standing out there alone
2021-03-15 23:47
Beautiful
2021-04-07 01:57
Serbian = Croatian = Bosnian=Montenegrin Bulgarian = Macedonian Albanian unique Greek unique Romanian is close to Italian Turkish = Arabic
2021-03-15 18:43
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Bulgarian and Macedonian not same, i would go as far as to say macedonian is closer to Serbian, its kind of in the middle
2021-03-15 18:43
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ok, but is the rest correct?
2021-03-15 18:46
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Romanian is also not close to Italian, its gypsy langauge mixed with latin, very interesting and unique
2021-03-15 18:47
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can confirm
2021-03-15 19:05
Bullshit, Romanian is latin (ancestor of Italian) mixed with slavic and albanian/iliric.
2021-03-15 19:12
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Yes tey have influence from slavic languages aswell, but only a bit, to me it seems more gypsy tho and there is definitely no albanian hrre
2021-03-15 19:32
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So it is connected to ilyrian, that is not albanian, alvanian today much different than how it was back then
2021-03-15 20:42
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Yes
2021-03-17 13:18
The early Romanian Medieval dynasties have Bulgarian roots so it's obvious they will be using some Slavic words. For example on Mircea the Elder icon there's a word "Ion, Ivan, John" which all Bulgarian emperors from the Second Bulgarian Tsardom have. Plus some Romanians even say that the Second Bulgarian Tsardom is partially Romanian as well. Their kings were called "voevoda" which means warlord.
2021-03-15 20:42
the only gypsy influence in our language are stupid slangs
2021-03-15 23:43
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There is some, i cannot know what amount since im no scientist, i just mentioned it cause it certainly had some influence))
2021-03-16 00:32
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as i said, there are just a few slangs.
2021-03-16 00:54
i would never understand an arabic guy how tf we have same language lol
2021-03-16 00:25
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#63 lying???
2021-03-16 00:29
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we have lots of french words too,but i cannot understand french or arabic, completely different languages
2021-03-16 13:03
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Georgia no_scene
+1 macedonian is literally same as serbian for me
2021-03-15 18:46
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Well its not that simmilar ;D
2021-03-15 18:50
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Georgia no_scene
Ye maybe i'm wrong bcs i dont really often listen to Macedonian but how much i heard it it sounded like Bosnian/Serbian. I'm also very jealous of you guys that you can communicate to people from other nationality with your language ...
2021-03-15 18:57
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I will tell you something interesting now. When our alphabet and language was formed officialy, the number one rule is 'read as you write' and we have 30 letters each representing one sound, so for example what would in english be great in serbian would be grejt, it is good system imo that someone from england for example could barely ever comprehend
2021-03-15 19:01
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Georgia no_scene
It is actually kinda easy to me to understand Serbian bcs of Russian. pronouns is similar to Russian for me,as lot of words as well. Overall it is really pleasant to listen to Serbian(not to loba THO :D)
2021-03-15 19:10
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Loba is a boor men xd
2021-03-15 19:37
#79
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Finland Eestu
We also have a similar system in Finnish, where we pronounce the words the way they are written. This is also the reason why the Finnish accent sounds the way it sounds and why it's so easy to understand it. :D
2021-03-15 23:00
I just remember someone from macedonia translated a message from bulgarian
2021-03-15 18:50
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Thing is, Macedonians are either Serbs, Albanians or Bulgarians, so depending on which of these they are they will know more or less about certain languages
2021-03-15 18:53
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Sweden quacke
According to linguistics (as in scientists who research this stuff) Macedonian is related to Bulgarian very closely, and not at all related to Serbian. cdn8.openculture.com/2017/08/27223953/le.. (Thanks tka4 for posting this!) The numbers on the dotted lines represent the "linguistic distance" which is essentially how different/similar they are. As you can see there's no linguistic connection between Macedonian and Serbian. However, this is when you look at it in terms of science. This chart also says that there's no direct relation between Swedish and German, which there might not be linguistically, but we share a lot of words and a lot of our expressions sound very similar. There's a difference between similarity and linguistical relation. So, when you hear Macedonian it might sound like Serbian (which could also be dialects being similar), but they're not linguistically related.
2021-03-15 18:58
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From my POV it is Bulgarian pronounced in the Serbian way, your charts dont work so well in practice mens :D I can talk fluently with a macedonian with very little misunderstanding, while i talk in serbian and he in macedonian
2021-03-15 19:03
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Sweden quacke
Yeah that's what I mean - the difference between similarity and linguistic relation. Linguistic relation looks at where the languages come from and if they have common ancestors. 9/10, if a language is related to another language they will be similar - but not always, as the chart proves.
2021-03-15 19:04
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Thing is, macedonians were never a nation and macedonian was never a language up untill about 100 years ago
2021-03-15 19:39
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Sweden quacke
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Mac.. Not true. Yes, it might not have been recognized as Macedonian, and there might not have been a Macedonian nation to recognize it as it's own national language, but that doesn't mean the language didn't exist. The language has roots in the 9th century and while it wasn't properly defined until 1903, it developed from the now extinct Old Church Slavonic, part of the eastern group of the South Slavic branch of the Indo-European language family. In this group only two languages exist today - Macedonian and Bulgarian. It's also mentioned that while Macedonian is most closely related to Bulgarian, the next-closest related language is Serbian. But, they come from different language groups, and Bulgarian being in the same group as Macedonian makes it more closely related. Saying "it wasn't even a language until about 100 years ago" isn't true. And there doesn't have to be a nation for a language to exist. Finland wasn't a free country until 1917, but Finnish is a language that dates back many centuries. And it wasn't until just a few hundred years ago that languages started to be standardized. English, for example, was very different from how it is today just 300 years ago, to the point where it would be barely understandable for us today. English was only first codified in the 1400s, and it's been redefined many times since then. The language we speak today was codified until 1755 - but both you and I would agree that English is a language that has existed for several hundred years before that. Again, I want to reiterate because I think you're missing my point. Languages can be very similar even if they aren't closely related. Linguistic relation does not have to do with how similar they are, it has to do with common roots and where they came from.
2021-03-15 19:58
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Damn man you know your shit! I like that you do your research and all that, but i can confidently tell you that Macedonia as we know it today is a produce of Tito and Yugoslavia. Their history before that is just a people being formed from the leftovers of their conquerors, i mean they took their name from the greek province of macedonia like it is their history, they are just a mix of Albanians, Serbs, Bulgarians, gypsies and Turks. Im not denying them their identity, its just that they dont have much history before that
2021-03-15 20:38
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Sweden quacke
Thank you! And yes, I understand your point, but the point I'm also trying to make is that they don't need a national identity to have their own language. The language "Macedonian" has always been Macedonian, even if Macedonia didn't even exist back then. Back then it was just a dialect of Old Church Slavonic, or just Bulgarian, and the people who spoke it probably didn't call it Macedonian, they probaby called it... nothing. It was just a language they spoke. But, us now defining it as Macedonian doesn't change where the language came from and how it was back then - it's the same language, only now we call it under the name Macedonian. You could say the same thing about Finnish. Finland wasn't called Finland until the 1100s, but that doesn't mean Finnish people didn't exist before then. Finnish culture during this time period can be split into four categories of which I won't name because it's boring, and none of these four cultures were called Finnish back then. But, since Finland became a region, inhabited by Finnish people, who came from these four different cultures and clumped together into one identity, and eventually a country, we've come to known these ancient cultures as Finnish cultures anyways. And, yes, they spoke an early version of Finnish. So I see your point, but Macedonian is a language that roots back to the 9th century, even if the people who spoke it weren't Macedonian, or lived in Macedonia, or called the language Macedonian.
2021-03-15 23:48
Old Church Slavonic is old bulgarian. Fun fact Russian is closer to old bulgarian than bulgarian nowadays
2021-03-15 23:22
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Sweden quacke
Interesting, didn't know that! Thanks!
2021-03-16 00:21
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Bulgaria Kradeca_
Um yes it is lol. Macedonian is basically bulgarian. Not even close to serbian. So many brainwashed people from macedonia and serbia i cant believe it.
2021-03-15 19:00
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How can you tell me its not close to Serbian when i understand it almost fully
2021-03-15 19:03
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Bulgaria Kradeca_
Its like bulgarian and russian language. We bulgarians can understand russian what hes trying to say but we cannot answer back just like your languague and ,,macedonian''. The difference is that we understand ,,macedonian'' language and we could actually say something and they will understand us because its the same language. I hope this brainwashing will finally stop and they will want to reunite with us because we are same nation just like kosovo and albania
2021-03-15 19:08
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You are brainwashed, they are mix of us and you
2021-03-15 19:33
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Bulgaria Kradeca_
brainwashed :D pls learn history then talk to me. Modern ,,macedonians'' call themselves like that because during comunism your stupid government brainwashed them to think they are serbs or just macedonians because you're ancestors didnt want to see Bulgaria and Macedonia reunite. It's just pointless to talk to a guy who clearly doesn't have a clue what his government was doing during communist years.
2021-03-15 22:50
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I know that Tito created the macedonian people as we know them today, as i said already in this thread, but that doesnt mean they were all bulgarian, serbia also had a good claim on macedonia
2021-03-16 00:30
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I dont know what kind of macedonian you found that you can understand him, but Bulgarian and Macedonian sound exactly Identical, id go as far as to say that Macedonian is literally just a bulgarian accent
2021-04-07 01:53
yep, bulgarian population brainwashed during the Tito regime .. spot on :)
2021-03-15 22:51
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Brainwashed by another regime, which is implied by common sense which you dont seem to posses
2021-03-16 00:31
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the serbians always seem to know best .. that's why they are isolated by all of Europe .. serbians too smart .. all the rest too stupid .. gotcha
2021-04-07 01:47
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Turkey MrAycan
NT Ukraine
2021-03-15 18:46
pretty spot-on although macedonians use more westernized and archaic words than us.
2021-03-15 18:52
+1
2021-03-15 18:53
youtu.be/m7NMySNM8R4?t=332 - it could be that macedonian is more similar to the western balkan countries language at least spoken. the words are the same in Bulgarian but they pronounce it differently youtu.be/m7NMySNM8R4?t=107 this is how Bulgarian sounds I do not think there's exactly that similar Slavic language to Bulgarian.
2021-03-15 18:56
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Bulgarian pronounciation closer to Russian than to us, while Macedonia more influenced by Serbia, read as you write a wise man once said
2021-03-15 18:58
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Macedonian is a newly created language youtu.be/iygdW_G0Foc Macedonians before Yugoslavia spoke clear Bulgarian
2021-03-15 19:00
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True, not all of them tho, only ones of Bulgarian descent :)
2021-03-15 19:01
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ok
2021-03-15 19:02
yes bulgarian is more understandable for me
2021-03-15 19:01
Turkish is not close to arabic at all, turkish has some loan words from arabic and persian but other than that it's completely different. Arabic is a semetic language and turkish is a turkic language.
2021-03-15 22:55
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Italy steven513
+1 lmao
2021-04-07 01:49
We can mostly understand eachother except for Albania and Greece, all the other languages are of same descent, so i will group them like this: Same language: Bosnia, Serbia, Croatia, Montenegro Different from Serbian but alot of same and simmilar words: Slovenian, Macedonian, Bulgarian Other: Albanian and Greek, completely different from these
2021-03-15 18:42
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interesting personalities
2021-03-15 18:44
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Serbia CoIe47
this is best explanation
2021-03-15 18:45
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Turkey MrAycan
what about russian ? Can u understand some russian
2021-03-15 18:48
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Yeah, when i play cs and get into full russian teams i can communicate with them at a basic level, i would say i can understand 20-30%
2021-03-15 18:49
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Bosnia and Herzegovina hyrox1
Bosnian/Croatian/Serbian=Everyone understand each other. Macedonian=They understand almost everything of BOS/CRO/SRB, but their language we can't understand,maybe some few similar words we can. Slovenian=They can partly understand us(BOS,CRO,SRB),but we can't them. Albanian=Only Albanians know that language. Greek=Only Greeks know that language.
2021-03-15 18:50
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You can understand Macedonian and Slovenian, you just need to listen closely))
2021-03-15 18:54
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Bosnia and Herzegovina hyrox1
Personally i can't understand them,maybe some words are familiar,but's it's really different languages if we compare to our.Probably it's easy for us to learn those two languages tho..
2021-03-15 19:21
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Germany breezy0
it's like german
2021-03-15 18:57
It's close to Turkic language relations. There are ones that understand each other easily and communicate through their own language, there are ones with an alphabet barrier but can understand each other and there are the ones that can understand only a few words.
2021-03-15 19:02
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Turkey MrAycan
Turkish is very seperated from the other ones.Even azerbaijani is hard to understand
2021-03-15 19:38
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We are the third option for most languages, we have too many Arabic words. Still, I'd understand an Azerbaijani easily so talk for yourself on that one.
2021-03-15 19:43
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Turkey MrAycan
im sure you cant understand more than 4-5 sentences from 10 sentences about everything it seems easy because some words are similar but its not
2021-03-15 20:20
Azerbaijan has more Arabic words bro are you fuck you
2021-03-15 20:47
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They have more ***Persian*** words, are you fuck you but no u
2021-03-15 20:54
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Arabic influence in Turkish is weak compared to what u think. Turkish people migrated to Anatolia from Iran and learned all the words from Persian that we use today but Persians got half of those from Arabic in the first place amk English has more French than Turkish has all the foreign shit combined anyway so.
2021-03-15 21:04
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Europe LordSF94
My history teacher always told us back in times greeks are the founders of the modern civilisations, basically we still use their ideas today but in different forms. I also read 2-3 books about greeks when i was in high school, idk about language and stuff but they have the best mitology by far so doesen't matter, the greek culture > any, maybe = to the romans but still impressive
2021-03-15 23:12
Serbian Croatian and Bosnian are the same and slovenian greek macedonian albanian are different
2021-03-15 23:40
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