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How Liquid can be #1 again
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France Haibara 
-Grim Grim really never lived up to the standard of tier-1 counterstrike after 6-7 months, his aim is solid but his decision making just isn't really there at all. +Xeppaa or floppy Not sure who is better yet, I prefer Xeppaa because floppy could seek to reunite with Extra Salt again? MarkE and FaNG is definitely not better than floppy.
2021-03-27 19:53
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#1
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United Kingdom Triturn
Xeppaa more consistent than Floppy though i don't think liquid needs a fix
2021-03-27 19:54
2 replies
#48
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France Haibara
Grim is dragging TL back
2021-03-27 21:01
By not being other numbers. Consistency... And that too a lot.
2021-03-27 22:10
#2
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Peru TheJuan
-stewie10am
2021-03-27 19:54
15 replies
#6
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Canada AyyyJayyy
+1
2021-03-27 19:55
they need stew cause he is the guy motivates the team so that is why he is still on liquid. everyone on else is really passive by nature so the only guy they can really get rid of is Grim
2021-03-27 20:14
#28
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France Haibara
Stewie is the reason NA CS has 1 major and also the reason why Liquid is top 5
2021-03-27 20:21
11 replies
+1
2021-03-27 20:52
Stewie left C9, c9 died Benched in MIBR, MIBR died Moses and co need to make sure stew doesn't leave/gets benched
2021-03-27 20:53
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#43
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France Haibara
Yep :))
2021-03-27 20:54
C9 died because they made 923813813 roster changes MiBR died because coldzera left
2021-03-27 22:13
yes, stewie carried C9 to a major trophy. people from the US suck him so much man it's insane.
2021-03-27 21:16
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#60
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France Haibara
Stewie will never be kicked, he is GOD
2021-03-27 21:17
#74
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United States Shr3y
Leaf
2021-03-27 22:15
Isnt skadoodle the main reason for major though?
2021-03-27 22:08
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Nah it’s major mvp Tarik
2021-03-29 01:31
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Sure but in finals skadoodle was dominating also sadly for us faze fans :D
2021-03-29 08:57
"Stewie is the reason NA has 1 major" Wrong! TBH all 5 players deserve to be considered the real reason why NA has 1 major... but if you want to point the most impactful ones i'm pretty sure skadoodle and autimatic should be mentioned instead of stewie. Either way, i dont think stewie should be kicked.. i think he's above of the majority of pros skillwise, and i think Stew never played to his potential. I don't think Grim should be replaced... after 1 to 1.5 years practicing, and playing tournaments together this line up will sky rocket,
2021-03-29 09:21
+1 or -10am Matches
2021-03-27 21:16
Grim Roblox Xeppa budget Peppa pig
2021-03-27 19:54
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#19
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Slovakia Daev0n
Xeppa budget carp
2021-03-27 20:07
-stewie +brehze top 1
2021-03-27 19:54
9 replies
#5
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Canada AyyyJayyy
+1
2021-03-27 19:55
But EG would be screwed, so no.
2021-03-27 19:57
3 replies
EG is already screwed they need to kick cerq and get osee
2021-03-27 19:59
2 replies
#20
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France Haibara
+1 Cerq looks so uncomfortable all the time
2021-03-27 20:07
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Yeah it's like he has to go poo while playing, very weird
2021-03-27 22:12
Liquid doesn't need another star player
2021-03-27 21:08
3 replies
stewie plays star players roles
2021-03-27 22:03
2 replies
-1
2021-03-27 22:47
-1
2021-03-29 02:13
I feel like the problem is somewhere in the core players since they have always been inconsistent. Liquid rn is basically what they have been all the time. You never know what comes out of that team.
2021-03-27 19:56
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#10
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France Haibara
Grim gets caught off guard very frequently, you can't have that on a top 5 team
2021-03-27 19:58
6 replies
The fact that he is caught off might be or might not be his fault. For some reason, I've always felt like Liquid lack structure/sinergy, the kind that Astralis had. Grim is deffo a good player. Just my opinion, but again I feel like Liquid is just very disjointed. Also, Fallen missing 80% of his awp shots.
2021-03-27 20:05
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"I've always felt like Liquid lack structure/sinergy, the kind that Astralis had" bro, Astralis plays together for more than 3 years Liquid line up has what? 3 months? Let them work. we will be able to judge in a few months
2021-03-27 20:15
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liquid lineup 3 months? + fallen is the only new player. Also let them worj mentality doesnt work anymore.
2021-03-27 21:01
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fallen 3 months grim 1 year the role system change with new IGL online CS (liquid has a experienced team, LAN will make things better) Just wait. This line will fit well
2021-03-27 21:06
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People like that hate on FalleN with 3 months on a team are as dumb as people that criticize karrigan for his time in FaZe so far. People don't notice that changing the IGL in a team makes a lot bigger difference than other players.
2021-03-27 22:13
I agree. Liquid fans blame their failures on individuals (mostly support/shit role players like stewie) but their problem is much deeper. Twistzz himself said their success was based on peaking together and rather outaiming than outstratting opponents and it can work for couple months but you can't build a prolonged domination just on individual skills. Now they have caster as a coach, they had 3 igls over 1 year and some out of server issues (source: Twistzz/Moses hltv interviews) + with nitro gone they lost their identity. I have no idea how to fix them but the easiest way seems like a) getting a real coach b) building the team around fallen. he is kinda washed up but he at least has a clear vision of his cs and he can maybe shape new liquid's style cause rn they have none.
2021-03-27 20:28
#9
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Argentina jqn
-bot2k +a player with more than 10iq
2021-03-27 19:58
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#29
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France Haibara
Stewie is the reason NA CS has 1 major and also the reason why Liquid is top 5
2021-03-27 20:21
2 replies
+1
2021-03-27 20:54
I feel is a bit overated, It's a group effort and Stewie wasn't igling back then. I don't preach -Stewie either. And cmon, they won most of the matches, very tied games with Astralis and you want to kick a player. Even if Grim is not the most impactful, he is part of their sucess, even if you prefer an other agressive player like Xeppa. Btw, 3 agressive players on the same team, sure.
2021-03-29 01:40
hiko taco fallen shroud fer pls
2021-03-27 19:59
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#46
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France Haibara
0/8 nt
2021-03-27 20:55
solid esea advanced team
2021-03-27 22:09
solid mm team
2021-03-28 11:58
the difference between liquid and astralis/vp right now is just little mistakes. if they can fix them they will be fine
2021-03-27 20:00
?? wtf mens
2021-03-27 20:01
god floppy really solid
2021-03-27 20:01
#21
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Brazil Motoca8000
-stewie At least grim can clutch and stewie do way more mistakes than grim. But team liquid is looking pretty good anyway
2021-03-27 20:07
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#22
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France Haibara
stewie is the pillar of the time and set up EliGE for pretty much all of his kills. Without Stewie, EliGE would drop off significantly. Just like without JACKZ, Hunter's stats dropped off.
2021-03-27 20:11
stewie is also the x factor, every good NA team has had stewie(since epl s4 win, eleague win, igs, etc.)
2021-03-27 20:12
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#27
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France Haibara
+1 NA players and fans worship Stewie
2021-03-27 20:18
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maybe the old ones who watched him raising, these days most NA fans I see blame all Liquid failures on him. imo without him elige, naf and grim would be clueless bots who have perfect aim but no idea where to go.
2021-03-27 20:32
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#47
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France Haibara
Stewie left C9, c9 died Benched in MIBR, MIBR died Moses and co need to make sure stew doesn't leave/gets benched
2021-03-27 20:56
#30
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Albania Maltin
Floppy? Tell me this is a joke. Xeppa would be good though but definitely replacing 2k and not grim
2021-03-27 20:23
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#33
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France Haibara
Grim is the worst member on the team for 7 months now
2021-03-27 20:38
6 replies
#35
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Albania Maltin
He has aim and spray and he is only 20. He only needs to master the game a bit more. Now that they got a proper igl, give grim a little more time.
2021-03-27 20:41
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#36
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France Haibara
Xeppaa is younger but better
2021-03-27 20:43
4 replies
#38
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Albania Maltin
They are both 20. And dont get me wrong, i really like xeppa, i just think that removing Grim ahead of stewie would be wrong
2021-03-27 20:47
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#39
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France Haibara
stewie will NEVER be kicked, nobody else in the world plays stewie's role as well except maybe tarik
2021-03-27 20:48
2 replies
#40
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Albania Maltin
Younger players are playing much better than the older ones. I know most people wont agree but i would definitely try Leaf on TL. He was such a good entry (idk if those cheating claims were true though)
2021-03-27 20:51
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#45
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France Haibara
Stewie left C9, c9 died Benched in MIBR, MIBR died Moses and co need to make sure stew doesn't leave/gets benched
2021-03-27 20:54
#51
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
If they are going to get anybody, they need Brehze.
2021-03-27 21:06
3 replies
#53
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Europe xOwen
he's gonna be expensive af tho, also doubt eg will let him go hes been hard carrying the team.
2021-03-27 21:08
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#55
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
Exactly. Would be a great edition if they are going to anybody. Floppy could be a good pick up but Xeppaa is probably the better pick.
2021-03-27 21:11
imo it's worth it, he's proven to be a great player and will add value to the team he goes to. Now imagine liquid were able to get zews too
2021-03-29 00:22
#54
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United States EDBX
Removing a player for someone who is 5% better isn’t really worth it IMO considering how many variables there are
2021-03-27 21:09
3 replies
#56
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France Haibara
Why did forze remove xsepower for KENSI
2021-03-27 21:11
2 replies
because forze management is shit
2021-03-27 21:20
1 reply
And forze doesn't have better results ... I agree with Danny on that, Xeppa is good, maybe slighty better than Grim, but he's agressive, doesn't fit on Liquid plans and played more easy roles than Grim (Grim plays as an anchor) . If it is a improvement, it is not a big one. Also, he will have to learn and adapt the Liquid's system. So basilly, his teamplay will be bad at first and won't be that impactful.
2021-03-29 02:03
Kick bot2k and get an entry fragger that can actually frag, grim is still young and he only joined the team for less than a year so give him some time.
2021-03-27 21:14
I agree grim for Xeppaa
2021-03-27 21:23
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Exepted from Egyptian retard :p Naah fr Grim is 1092938973 times better than Xeppa
2021-03-29 00:20
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idk why so toxic, but I don't think Grim has been too great. Chaos were way better than Triumph anyways
2021-03-29 00:23
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I'm just joking x)) what does that have to do with triumph and chaos ? We're talking about individuals here and Grim is an insane anchor and his roles fit what liquid needs perfectly (replacing Twistzz as an anchor)
2021-03-29 00:43
So you are going to replace a player that shined on tier 2/3 but sucked on tier 1 to bring in a player that shined on tier 2/3 but sucked on Cloud9? Sure what can go wrong!
2021-03-27 21:25
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xeppaa and floppy didnt suck in c9
2021-03-27 22:18
They cannot lol, sry
2021-03-27 21:26
Xeppa and leaf cheaters
2021-03-27 22:11
#73
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Chile Willy_CV
-Grim +Es3tag
2021-03-27 22:14
floppy is better as a star player no i think xeppaa thinks better
2021-03-27 22:17
TL will never be number 1 again with bot2k on their team
2021-03-27 22:19
-Grim +ropz
2021-03-27 22:20
He has been having shit roles, holding for back pushes and lurks while others ntry into the fight. I feel he's doing a great job.
2021-03-27 22:22
Grim > Floppy and Xeppaa. Just give him a time.
2021-03-27 22:22
LOOOOOOOL GRIM BETTER THEN BOTH OF THEM TOGHeTER.
2021-03-27 22:33
-1
2021-03-27 22:50
4 replies
#84
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France Haibara
Nice troll, just look at Grim's ratings, all red
2021-03-28 00:07
3 replies
mans got the good impact, anyways im sure hell get better with time, if liquid change a player right now the team will get worse for like at least a month or so. plus theyre doing good now so theres no actual reason to do that.
2021-03-28 10:33
2 replies
+1 and hltv rating ... Does hltv stats talked about the role player, the setup (like play the baiter) ? No, it's only number.
2021-03-29 02:07
1 reply
exactly
2021-03-29 21:16
Liquid is fine right now, they will reach TOP3 soon
2021-03-28 00:08
you need an anchor so it would have to be floppy and tbh grim>floppy
2021-03-28 10:35
#94
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Brazil llskll
Why TL suppose to kick a hardcore nerd like Grim? To put a fucking random cheater like xeppa?
2021-03-29 01:40
Liquid have risen from #18 in the world to #5 under fallen in just 3 months. They are looking the best they have in a year. They're fine.
2021-03-29 09:08
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