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Why not nerf AWP if you nerfed Krieg?
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France Haibara 
AWP is overpowered, as you can see that device dropped 40 frags easily against fnatic in a 16-10 close game. Also, if AWP is nerfed, ELIGE will easily be top 1. Doesn't make sense that you nerf EliGE's best weapon (Krieg) and let device/zywOo/s1mple keep using their favorite weapon unscathed? If Krieg isn't nerfed, EliGE will be top 1 right now, just saying.
2021-03-29 22:00
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#1
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France Haibara
Also, in my unbiased opinion, Liquid should win the group based on maps difference and round difference. Just a food for thoughts, Liquid 2-0 VP, Astralis 2-1 VP. Liquid 2-0 EG, Astralis 1-2 EG.
2021-03-29 22:05
24 replies
-1/8
2021-03-29 22:22
-2/8
2021-03-29 22:25
-3/8
2021-03-29 22:26
#17
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United Kingdom novaseer
flair checks the fuck out who cares about round difference if you can't close a series
2021-03-29 22:29
Astralis 2-0 liquid, you forgot to mention that part... "unbiased opinion"
2021-03-29 22:29
#23
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Brazil loldougie
His opinion is not unbiased, but it's not wrong either. Head to head being the primary deciding factor is a retarded way of doing it.
2021-03-29 22:34
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#30
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Lithuania s1mvai
Ok, why is it retarded? If Astralis won vs Liquid, maybe Astralis should be higher in the group? I might be biased because I support Astralis, but there are no arguments in place.
2021-03-29 22:45
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#132
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United States urm@m
because it essentially allows teams to lose on purpose and not get punished. if they have a good h2h vs a team above them they can lose next game providing points are equal and still qualify.
2021-03-30 21:18
only way to nerf the awp is to remove it from the game. but there are too many 15 year old kids who just stick to the game because they can abuse it.
2021-03-30 00:35
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#44
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Brazil loldougie
I think you meant to reply to my other comment
2021-03-30 01:08
Why would that be retarded? We shouldn't play the finals if the team that would eventually lose the game if played, has such a great round difference that the other team can't have a bigger one and thus "deserve" the win? If u lose head to head, you don't deserve anything but to lick your wounds and try again.
2021-03-30 01:20
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#52
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Brazil loldougie
I can't understand what you're trying to say
2021-03-30 01:31
3 replies
That's exactly why you think that heads up being the biggest deciding factor is stupid. You can not comperehend that we can not reward the loser over the winner because they have a bigger round difference, or the name of the game would be very different. We're not looking for a team that can win every time, we're looking for a team/teams that can win when it matters most. And what I am saying doesn't mean it would be bad if some team kept winning but that's not the point.
2021-03-30 02:08
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#58
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Brazil loldougie
Actually I simply could not understand your bad english. Your opinion discounts Astralis losing to a team like EG, as if it doesn't matter. That's just dumb.
2021-03-30 02:31
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Ever heard of playing the groups to get a favorable opponent? Guess that's not a viable tactic.. Also, any of the pro teams if popping off while the other is having a hard day should be able to beat each other. That's a competitive scene for you. Your nonsense regarding all matters discussed in this thread is just appalling and the only thing you have to say is that you could not comprehend my english? I can see the reason, it's sitting there right between the chair and monitor in your room. Or was this also too hard to comprehend? :)
2021-03-30 03:00
#97
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Sweden axelious
Actually, I agree. Should be round difference first then h2h
2021-03-30 10:01
-4/8
2021-03-29 23:50
#51
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Peru TheJuan
true fallen goat never losses
2021-03-30 01:30
-5/8
2021-03-30 02:04
ahhahahahaah
2021-03-30 02:12
#61
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Brazil ghcnvbkn
0/8
2021-03-30 02:34
#77
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China HEIDASHUAi
LULW
2021-03-30 03:32
cringe
2021-03-30 08:03
-6/8
2021-03-30 09:45
How would you nerf the awp? Make it a scout? Increase price? If you increase the price it will still be bought all the time
2021-03-29 22:06
30 replies
there are many ways to nerf the awp. 1) make it more expensive 2) Increase the "reload" time between shots 3) 1 shot kill only if it hits chest or head. 4) make it less likely to go through objetcs/walls 5) make it easier to strafe 6) decrease the vision circle when scope is open etc But i think its fine the way it is rn. Everyone knows how it works and its a 5k weapon, so it should have more advantages than other weapons.
2021-03-29 22:20
24 replies
1) then pros use auto snipers and still buy awp 2) it's already super slow 3) kinda is except groin ( good idea but I doubt it will happen) 4) It's a sniper bullet, it should go through walls, just walls that aren't too thick 5) don't know what you want to say 6) maybe but I doubt it will make a big difference
2021-03-29 22:22
5 replies
3) Ariscopeuto nerf idea would means arm shots won't 1 hit kill as well.
2021-03-30 00:28
#48
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Ireland Sodaking
see the turth is if you fuck the Awp into the ground that will jsut cause people to buy the Auto Snipers like the fucking Scar-20 is a Beast
2021-03-30 01:15
Just do the same thing to it that Riot did to operator (yes I know its Valulrant but the "awp" there is actually a balanced gun).
2021-03-30 09:43
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I would agree with the 5 bullet magazine but other than that the operator feels extremely extremely slow. That's too slow imo. You have to remember the awp costs $4750 which is already a ton
2021-03-30 11:23
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Yeah but that's the point, the gun is supposed to feel slow. It's a one shot rifle that is supposed to punish you for missing your shots. The thing about operator is when you miss you are kinda fucked. When I miss with operator, deep down I know i'm already dead and the only thing that can save me is pure luck or that the enemy is bad enough to give me window to hit him again. In csgo when you miss with the awp, it feels like you can just shoulderpeak twice, repeak and quick scope them.
2021-03-30 14:16
#13
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Latvia adererror
5) could make CT side unplayable. you should be punished for overextending or picking every single fight. if strafing got improved then you would have an even bigger advantage as T, since people already ferrari peek with this "version" of strafing
2021-03-29 22:26
#20
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United Kingdom novaseer
2) are you trying to make this valorant bro?
2021-03-29 22:30
#25
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Brazil loldougie
The gun is OP as fuck, as can be seen in the player rankings. These are (mostly) viable options.
2021-03-29 22:36
15 replies
How does that logic work?
2021-03-30 00:27
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#43
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Brazil loldougie
The 3 best players in the world are awpers, coincidence?
2021-03-30 01:08
13 replies
the 3 best players in the world are hybrid awpers, some of the most versatile, smart and skilled players, coincidence?
2021-03-30 07:49
12 replies
No, the AWP is the best weapon, it's supposed to be.
2021-03-30 09:39
11 replies
yes but that's not the reason they're the best. 99% of it is their skill. and they are among the best pistol players and riflers as well.
2021-03-30 09:42
10 replies
Yes obviously, I just don't understand why people care that awpers are at the top.
2021-03-30 09:47
9 replies
they're butthurt. usually these people are fanboys of a rifler. there is way more to the awp than just fragging. you don't have to worry about giving away a rifle to the enemies or saving a rifle. the AWP is also way more one dimensional than rifles and in terms of economy very unbalanced.
2021-03-30 09:51
8 replies
Thats why there is only 1 awper on T side, its a part of utility.
2021-03-30 10:30
#101
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Brazil loldougie
Link ESEA, doubt you're above B.
2021-03-30 11:46
5 replies
i dont play esea
2021-03-30 11:47
4 replies
#103
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Brazil loldougie
Expected
2021-03-30 11:47
3 replies
yes because im not low iq american
2021-03-30 11:49
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#106
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Brazil loldougie
What?
2021-03-30 11:49
1 reply
What?
2021-03-30 11:49
+1 awp is fine as it is
2021-03-30 11:50
Pretty simple, make walls spammable to reduce pixel peak more of a chance to trade.
2021-03-29 22:34
2 replies
but we don't want 1.6 cs in csgo where you can just spam every wall and kill enemies in just 5-10 shots
2021-03-29 22:35
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Doesn't have to be every wall even though I would like that, it just has to be corners. It's truly the best nerf imo, you maintain the gun mechanics. It's literally the only reason why it's OP.
2021-03-29 22:38
Give it 5 bullets before reload. fixed.
2021-03-30 01:30
I would lower movement speed while holding awp. AWPeek is broken. The weapon should reward for smart positioning instead of peeking while scoped so that your opponent can't see your head
2021-03-31 10:39
0/8
2021-03-29 22:21
0/8
2021-03-29 22:21
Electronic was a much better krieg player than elige.
2021-03-29 22:23
4 replies
#9
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France Haibara
Electronic gets carried by s1mple bruv
2021-03-29 22:24
1 reply
Maybe last month ,but not always
2021-03-29 22:29
no elige had higher skill with the weapon, but electronic is just a better player. Same as why ZywOo and device aren't as mechanically skilled with the awp as other awpers but are still two of the bests at playing the role
2021-03-30 08:05
elec with was nasty af with the krieg during kato 2020
2021-03-30 16:40
AWP shouldn't be nerfed
2021-03-29 22:25
dev1ce the new kennyS O_O
2021-03-29 22:26
just increase the time to scope in to stop repeek after repeek and make it a rifle to lock down angles
2021-03-29 22:29
Best Krieg player was Brollan and there's no question about it.AWP doesn't need nerfing.
2021-03-29 22:29
I think the only reasonable AWP nerf would be having to hit a little higher on the torso for it to be a 1 shot. But i don't think it should be changed. Already plenty of ways to counter it without being noob. A good flash, smoke or molly pushes them back. Baiting shots with shoulder and jump peaks and double peaking for a trade.
2021-03-29 22:33
3 replies
5 bullet magazine. Should be tried out by valve imo
2021-03-30 11:50
2 replies
not a bad idea
2021-03-30 19:19
1 reply
I know missing a shot is already punishing but sometimes the spamms are way too effective. Other than that AWP seems pretty balanced
2021-03-30 19:20
here we go again... kkkkkkkkkkkk ask for awp to be nerfed = i can't play against awpers. go play mario kart (just don't complain about explosive turtles)
2021-03-29 22:36
#28
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Italy NotNew
"AWP is overpowered, as you can see that device dropped 40 frags easily against fnatic in a 16-10 close game." why didn't jw, jackinho or golden do the same then?
2021-03-29 22:39
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don't even try, brother. newbies are always blaming something or someone else for their pathetic/inexistent skills. the meta now is to blame the awpers.
2021-03-29 22:41
It couldn't possibly be that dev1ce is just good at this game, now, could it?
2021-03-29 22:45
1 reply
+1
2021-03-30 10:40
#32
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Japan Sebas_HZ
They wont, because nerf awp = no stonks from cases with new awp skin.
2021-03-29 22:50
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#33
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France Haibara
True. No one buys Krieg skins anymore
2021-03-29 23:28
-10000000
2021-03-29 23:35
s1mple and zywoo are better riflers than elige, cry
2021-03-29 23:41
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#38
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France Haibara
Don't think so, I can outaim ZywOo if he only had rifle, he has to abuse AWP to kill me
2021-03-30 00:23
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#62
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Brazil ghcnvbkn
ok, i was going to make a serious comment on this thread, but you are just baiting, its like roye 2.0
2021-03-30 02:37
4 replies
#72
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France Haibara
Check clip, I out aimed him easily
2021-03-30 03:09
3 replies
#73
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Brazil ghcnvbkn
nt roye
2021-03-30 03:13
2 replies
#80
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France Haibara
did you even watch clip? I ferrari peeked zywOo
2021-03-30 04:11
#81
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France Haibara
2021-03-30 04:11
2021-03-30 09:58
#39
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France Haibara
youtu.be/_BKGfBGXJRI ZywOo so easy to kill when he doesn't have AWP
2021-03-30 00:26
5 replies
lmao even in the clip you showed he gets a one-deag
2021-03-30 01:14
4 replies
#71
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France Haibara
He only one-deag misutaa, he couldn't kill me
2021-03-30 03:09
3 replies
#79
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Brazil baldok1
show us a full buy round, him whitout awp
2021-03-30 03:53
1 reply
#116
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France Haibara
we dont tallk about those
2021-03-30 14:19
dude get a life , you need help trust me
2021-03-30 11:58
#36
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Brazil fercarryus
coldzera best riffler in history in prime the only abuse of awp was to double jumping.
2021-03-29 23:46
If krieg wasnt nerfed, top players would be EliGe, electronic and brollan
2021-03-30 01:10
1 reply
+9999999999999
2021-03-30 16:41
#46
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Ireland Sodaking
at least from my perspective the reason they nerfed the Kreig is because all the ak47 people started whining about how less and less people were using their gun because in the Kreigs prime people figured out this is literally an AK with a scope that shoots faster as well so eventually Valve caved and made the AK people happy the Awp does not have a rival gun and the truth is there is not alot of room to nerf it without destroying the gun and if you destroy the Awp Csgo is deded
2021-03-30 01:13
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#67
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Croatia Lance1308
Actually no, pros told that krieg is op and valve listened because they care about their opinion, nobody cares about yours and of other whiners
2021-03-30 02:50
3 replies
yes. they care about their opinion and that is why you can still kill people with a deagle in 2 bodyshots.
2021-03-30 09:43
2 replies
yea smfh the Deagle is literally a 700 Dollar Shotgun just camp before a corner with armor and spam the shit out of it the second someone comes around 2 shots to body with armor fucking hell
2021-03-30 16:31
1 reply
+1 it's insane. certain positions are literally unpushable on antiecos. as soon as you come around the corner you're dead.
2021-03-30 19:37
Awp isn't that good it's the highest skilled gun.
2021-03-30 02:10
4 replies
literally the easiest gun to use. s1mple, dev1ce and many top pros said so as well. it might actually be easier than the auto snipers. at least you had to hit 2 shots with that one.
2021-03-30 02:54
3 replies
the entry level might be low but has a far higher skill ceiling then the AK has
2021-03-30 16:32
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high ceiling? is this the nonsensical response that a noob tells himself when told that the awp is the easiest weapon to use? Even s1mple, dev1ce and most other top awpers have said the awping on their level is very easy. its almost like players who primarily uses a one-click weapon dont want to feel noobish about it so they just make up BS.
2021-03-30 21:17
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they just say that to show off if they were telling the truth far more people would be at that level but they are not
2021-03-31 01:12
2 reasons why awp is op: 1. you can not peek against awp (that holding angle) without utility 2. awp can peek you (if u r holding angle) without utility 2 is ez to fix. make awp less accurate while strafing and longer time to maintain 100% accuracy 1 is kind of tricky. it could work if awp will became inaccurate after 5 sec (or 3-10 sec) zoom-in. so now you will not be able to hold angle forever
2021-03-30 02:27
2 replies
Dumb af comment
2021-03-30 11:58
1 reply
+1
2021-03-31 10:30
#59
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United States Jeebur
Krieg was never supposed to be meta. AK is supposed to be true rifle meta.
2021-03-30 02:31
valve don´t nerf awp because they don´t have the old kennys to nerf her again
2021-03-30 02:31
#63
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Brazil ghcnvbkn
why nerf awp though?
2021-03-30 02:38
#64
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Netherlands staticNL
"AWP is overpowered, as you can see that device dropped 40 frags easily against fnatic in a 16-10 close game." stopped reading after this. You take an ultimate outlier and use it as proof. Its very rare to see anyone get above 33, let alone 35 kills in a game without overtime. According to your own logic, rifles should also be nerfed, because yekindar and elige both got around 35 kills on vertigo easily.
2021-03-30 02:41
4 replies
what do you mean? rifles should be nerfed and everyone should run around with usp
2021-03-30 02:48
3 replies
Usp should be nerf and every1 should run around with glocks
2021-03-30 03:19
2 replies
Glocks should be nerfed and everyone should run with knife
2021-03-30 03:37
1 reply
knife should be nerfed and everyone should run with punch if that doesn't work then cut the arms and throw a ball in the map and let's play football
2021-03-30 08:15
#65
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Croatia Lance1308
Are u 12?
2021-03-30 02:43
Cry is free ! enjoy
2021-03-30 03:06
Retard
2021-03-30 03:18
Bruh because no one is running 5 awps consistently when Krieg was meta running anything less then 4 was considered throwing like use your brain dude no team runs more then 2 awps at MOST the gun is very expensive and if you miss u die like half the time. they nerfed the gun multiple times bro u gotta think about these things before making a random post
2021-03-30 03:25
8/8 for the content
2021-03-30 04:17
1 reply
#118
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France Haibara
I mean,.....thank you?
2021-03-30 14:22
They can change awp, if it will be 5.250 cost.
2021-03-30 09:24
NA CS OMEGALUL
2021-03-30 09:51
2 replies
#119
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France Haibara
NA CS is the best CS, we can smack any team in the world.
2021-03-30 14:22
1 reply
u r absolutely delusional, altho yeah complexity is actually good team
2021-03-31 10:13
Newbs gonna discuss this forever. Guys, it's okay to be a walking target for awpers. You're just starting at the game xD keep playing hard and maybe someday you'll reach gold nova.
2021-03-30 11:49
#110
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Sweden Nappev
why nerf awp and deagle now? theyve been the same for years
2021-03-30 11:50
1 reply
Because they just met cs and they suck at it. So they need to find something or someone to excuse their lack of skill
2021-03-30 11:54
#114
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Korea Weeataku
Just nerf every gun and make them all useless! If you spent more time playing it than making threads like this maybe you would be better.
2021-03-30 12:02
#117
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Russia reguix
Reported
2021-03-30 14:22
"if you nerfed" do you think valve devs read hltv?
2021-03-30 14:22
#121
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United Kingdom ChuMatrix
They did nerf AWP, ask Kenny
2021-03-30 14:23
#124
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Denmark Dust_2_Go
the awp is only for people with skill, sure everyone can use it but not that many can master it, s1mple ZywOo, Dev1ce, FalleN, GurardiaN ect. The krieg takes no skill on the other hand. the awp also is very bad at rewarding kills since it only gives 100$ and it also costs almost twice that of the krieg.
2021-03-30 16:35
#127
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World YOKIO
Do you even play csgo? Do you understand what your asking for? If you have anything less than 5000 hours in csgo and your motivation for why to nerf the AWP is that the best players to ever play the game is good with the gun then your opinion is irrelevant.
2021-03-30 16:41
delusional
2021-03-31 10:21
Awp is fairly balanced Deagle should be nerfed a little
2021-03-31 10:36
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