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twistzz or ropz?
NEOFRAG | 
United States drac0z 
who will achieve a higher individual peak under karrigan? ropz in 2020 had a #7 rating while twistzz wasn't even on the top 20. though that was online. in 2019, twistzz was one ranking above ropz with an arguable worse igl i personally think twistzz can become a better player than ropz under karrigan but what do you think? /discuss
2021-03-29 23:27
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#1
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Russia KEMSN
Ropz
2021-03-29 23:28
Ropz
2021-03-29 23:28
1 reply
#78
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United States 3manu3l
+1
2021-03-30 05:37
hard to choose, but if twistzz is a lurker he wont be good. Any other role and he can surpass ropz ez
2021-03-29 23:29
13 replies
#44
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Estonia hololive
0/8 ropz has mastered every role in cs and would easily outclass twistzz
2021-03-30 03:11
2 replies
0/8
2021-03-30 09:01
1 reply
#156
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United Kingdom Triturn
4/8
2021-03-30 14:03
twistzz is not a lurker
2021-03-30 03:27
4 replies
he's extremity
2021-03-30 05:51
3 replies
he wanted to entry, and he got what he wanted, he said it on hltv confirmed
2021-03-30 14:12
2 replies
karrigan said that he was trying both twistzz and rain as entries and passive extremities and twistzz still flanks sometimes right ?
2021-03-30 15:28
1 reply
situational
2021-03-30 17:14
Didn't Coldzera say - before Karrigan joined - that Twistzz would get all the best positions in order for him to shine? If that holds up under Karrigan and he doesn't waste him for lurking, then definitely Twistzz
2021-03-30 08:50
1 reply
yes but maybe they make a mistake who knows
2021-03-30 09:02
Cold lurks Twistzz and rain and Karrigan all three entry Broky awp
2021-03-30 08:59
2 replies
I remember he lurked and it was shit on TL who knows maybe they also make that mistake
2021-03-30 09:02
1 reply
#185
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Vietnam djpepe
He did great in 2019 but only sucked last year
2021-04-01 17:50
#4
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Germany iBUYPOLAND
Ropz
2021-03-29 23:29
#5
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Norway thojo
Ropz, but i maybe think he needs more setup than twistzz
2021-03-29 23:29
1 reply
i agree with you
2021-03-29 23:30
#6
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Canada JC_123
Twistzz of course
2021-03-29 23:30
#7
ropz | 
United States Goob
twistzz, ropz already has a pretty complete game and it will be hard for him to step up a level, twistzz has some noticeable areas to improve rn
2021-03-29 23:30
people saying twistzz rofl
2021-03-29 23:31
25 replies
#23
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Russia KEMSN
casuals
2021-03-29 23:49
12 replies
twistzz really good tho
2021-03-29 23:54
11 replies
#83
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Ecuador Ageless
In 2019, ropz missed Katowice cuz of shit team, didnt have decent team until halfway thru the year, and STILL was only 1 spot behind Twistzz, who was on the Grand fucking slam team and 2x major semifinalist in 2019. Ask yourself again whose individual form is better
2021-03-30 06:05
10 replies
then again twistzz wasn't the star of liquid while ropz was the star of his own team
2021-03-30 06:08
7 replies
true he was basically elige's right hand man
2021-03-30 06:12
1 reply
nope he was the right hand man of NAF who was the right hand man of EliGE
2021-03-30 09:09
#92
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Ecuador Ageless
True, but twistzz isnt the star of FaZe either so...
2021-03-30 06:18
4 replies
Wait lmao, who is the star player if not him? Karrigan igl - not a chance in the world Rain entry - can be, but isn't Coldzera support - literally 0% chance Broky awp - nope Twistzz rifle - ??? (we ran out of players there bud :D)
2021-03-30 08:45
3 replies
NiKo. He will always be their star player))
2021-03-30 09:06
1 reply
New achievement: Be the star player in 2 teams simultaneously lul
2021-03-30 09:12
#165
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Ecuador Ageless
FaZe has no star. My point exactly
2021-03-30 15:32
#106
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Sweden dogtown
Everything you said just says he's a sht player. Give something worth reading in the future.
2021-03-30 07:32
1 reply
yeah, twistzz really is. didnt even make it to top 20.
2021-03-30 08:44
twistz ofc, better player, best player of NA
2021-03-30 03:14
11 replies
best player of NA that currently resides where the player Russel "Twistzz" Van dulken resides
2021-03-30 03:30
3 replies
+1 true, twistzz does reside on earth
2021-03-30 05:49
+1 Twistzz will become a sharper beast
2021-03-30 09:03
#160
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Germany Droidd
elige > twistzzz
2021-03-30 14:11
uh no elige is far better than twistzz
2021-03-30 06:56
4 replies
They hate being compared.
2021-03-30 09:01
3 replies
No, twistzz hates being compared, cuz elige rekts him.
2021-03-30 17:47
2 replies
1 reply
what was twistzz's rank in 2020? i cant find
2021-03-30 17:52
Flair
2021-03-30 08:28
1 reply
so?
2021-03-30 17:32
Ropz??????
2021-03-29 23:32
Ropz not even close
2021-03-29 23:32
2 replies
i think its pretty close
2021-03-29 23:39
1 reply
#22
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Russia KEMSN
0/8
2021-03-29 23:49
#12
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Argentina atriX^
ropz. It's so painful to see him being wasted in a team like mousesports.
2021-03-29 23:33
twistzz
2021-03-29 23:34
1 reply
everything doesnt check out
2021-03-29 23:36
Ye I know I have Faze badge but really I'd say Twistzz is better player than ropz.Ropz is consistent but Twistzz is one of this players who can enter god mode and kill whatever moves.
2021-03-29 23:35
1 reply
+1111
2021-03-29 23:43
Ropz
2021-03-29 23:37
ropz
2021-03-29 23:38
twistzz
2021-03-29 23:40
twistzz
2021-03-29 23:43
1 reply
#64
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United States EaZy113
+1
2021-03-30 04:00
#24
RpK | 
France HeyU1
ropz
2021-03-29 23:51
ropz not even close
2021-03-29 23:56
Twistzz has a higher ceiling then just about anyone in CS barring like Niko, Simple and Zywoo. It's just a question of mentality. When Twistzz is on he's almost unstoppable. When he's off he looks lost and he's not a new player anymore. So I think the question of who will do better under Karrigan has some merit but I have no idea what the answer is. Anyone who thinks Ropz is like obviously better though is just fan boying out. It's a legitimate question and there isn't an answer right now.
2021-03-30 00:01
boomp
2021-03-30 00:20
1 reply
x2
2021-03-30 02:50
#30
ropz | 
Czech Republic y0fl0w
obviously ropz, not even close, ropz consistently performed and improved all the time, twistzz on the other hand.... ropz won't miss top20 (probably even top10) next 4-5 years In my books since late 19 ( and mouz event streak) he was all the time at least top 6-7, most of the time even 4th behind s1, Z and devve
2021-03-30 02:56
5 replies
unless mouz start winning something, then there's no way he should be in top 10
2021-03-30 07:04
4 replies
they won basically nothing last year(except ICE Challenge in the very beginning) and he easily made top 10
2021-03-30 13:58
3 replies
yeah, but I'm pretty sure they were playing in more tier 1 events, and they didn't lose out to tier 3 teams in qualifiers, so Idk man
2021-03-30 14:01
2 replies
yes, i see your point, if ropz stays on mouz & mouz will fall to tier2 level for the whole year it will be hard to make top10, you're right. but i'll stay optimistic that this roster will work out in the long run
2021-03-30 14:03
1 reply
+1 I hope they become competitive again would be cool to see dexter find form and have a mad fragging igl that together with some well orchestrated strats, and they're banging
2021-03-30 14:06
honestly twistzz has the potential to be better than ropz and has a higher skill ceiling ropz is already there probably at his peak rn. he won't get much better than he is rn probably
2021-03-30 02:55
10 replies
#32
ropz | 
Czech Republic y0fl0w
LUL ropz can't improve cuz he constantly improvedn, twistzz can cuz he hardly choked half way through
2021-03-30 02:58
9 replies
ok i just think twistzz has a higher skill ceiling than ropz. If you weren't a newfag and watched in 2018 you would have seen IEM New York Twistzz. There was a good 3 months where twistzz was a top 3 player in the world. hltv.org/stats/players/matches/10394/twi..
2021-03-30 03:05
8 replies
#39
ropz | 
Czech Republic y0fl0w
I'm not a newfag, I'm oldfag playing cs since 2003 yes twistzz was insane during ny 18, didn't matter, mouz & godJ schooled him Your argument doesn't make any sene... because it was just a short twistzz phase where he looked unstopable while ropz constantly improved without having a 12 month+ dip like twistzz
2021-03-30 03:08
3 replies
ropz had more freedom than twistzz did to improve. It wasn't Twistzz fault liquid lost. He was the only reason they were relevant. "Constantly improved" so what if he constantly improved? You have seen the impact of roles on a player's performance surely if you are playing/watching CS since 2003. Twistzz was support on Liquid for god knows what reason and was playing under nitro. Ropz was playing his ideal role on mouz for literally ages. Players can improve for years and some players can make the same improvement in mere weeks and months. To say that ropz is constantly improving while twistzz "choked half way through" is a lie because you aren't considering any kind of context with your argument. If you're an oldfag atleast act like it. I've never seen any old fags using twitch emotes on HLTV. kinda sad rly.
2021-03-30 03:17
2 replies
#85
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Ecuador Ageless
You say ropz was on ideal role for ages, it was 3+ Years sure, he got good at it. Only problem is, Ropz changed up his gameplay since after karrigan left and he looks better than ever 0/8
2021-03-30 06:09
Nice brain rofl. Just shut the fuck up cringe kid. You're not even baiting rofl.
2021-03-30 08:32
#40
ropz | 
Czech Republic y0fl0w
We have a 3 month period with ropz being clearly top 3 aswell
2021-03-30 03:09
3 replies
top 3 under one of the best IGLs of all time < top 3 under nitro and playing lans vs prime astralis.
2021-03-30 03:23
2 replies
#86
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Ecuador Ageless
Top 3 under karrigan > top 3 on grand slam team lol
2021-03-30 06:09
1 reply
He's idiot.
2021-03-30 08:32
Twistzz peak > ropz peak, but right now ropz is way better
2021-03-30 02:59
1 reply
#87
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Ecuador Ageless
+1 I can agree with this, I think it is ropz’s role that limits his ability to hardcarry but i agree, twistzz has carried games in a way ropz never has (yet) lol
2021-03-30 06:10
Brollan ofc
2021-03-30 03:00
2 replies
#36
ropz | 
Czech Republic y0fl0w
I loved them both duelling back in epl 10 & 11 finals but ropz obviously outperformed brollan heavily since then
2021-03-30 03:02
#89
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Finland Nollegee
Laughs in sergej
2021-03-30 06:15
0/8. bot and bot
2021-03-30 03:02
3 replies
Flair
2021-03-30 08:33
2 replies
xseven will rekt those overrated bot
2021-03-30 08:40
1 reply
xseveN 26 year old boomer won't rekt anybody soon, but nt.
2021-03-30 08:45
Twistzz is trash compared to Ropz
2021-03-30 03:06
Objectively i'd choose ropz over twistzz, but twistzz on form is better than ropz.
2021-03-30 03:11
#42
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Estonia hololive
ropz and it’s not even close, comparing twisttzz to the like of ropz is like comparing some random toddlers strength to saitamas from one punch man, ropz being saitama and twistzz being the toddler
2021-03-30 03:13
17 replies
twistzz #9 ropz #10
2021-03-30 03:36
16 replies
#54
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Estonia hololive
that was 2019 lol, ropz #7 last year edit: LOL TWISTZZ WASNT EVEN IN THE TOP 20 LAST YEAR OMEGALUL THATS WHY YOURE USING 2019 RANKINGS HAHAHAHAHDGS
2021-03-30 03:38
15 replies
dont forget 2019 was the last year of lan that was the point I was making and that was one of the biggest slumps of twistzz career
2021-03-30 03:39
14 replies
#57
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Estonia hololive
ropz 0 slumps twistzz 1 ropz 1 top 20 2020 ranking twiststzz 0 LOL nt, ropz > twistzz
2021-03-30 03:40
13 replies
twistzz is getting back in form and in a few months I think he'll be better than ropz
2021-03-30 03:44
12 replies
#59
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Estonia hololive
refer to #57 my comment single handedly dismantled your entire argument and fundamentally proves that ropz is a better player in every ascent of the game than twistzz, you can keep living in delusion believing twistzz is better than ropz.
2021-03-30 03:49
11 replies
ropz > twistzz on lan tho? coincidence ropz was only better than twistzz during online era
2021-03-30 03:53
8 replies
#63
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Estonia hololive
it’s not a coincidence dude lol, twistzz had more than enough time to adapt and couldn’t because he sucks. furthermore, twistzz didn’t even make it to the top 20 last year and even with ropz struggling with a broken mousesports still managed to remain consistent and even better than the year before last year and carried mouz as per usual.
2021-03-30 03:56
4 replies
you can't deny that twistzz had a major slump in 2020, but I'm talking about peaks 2019 shows that twistzz in good form > ropz in good form and if twistzz can out perform ropz with nitr0, then if karrigan can unlock twistzz potential then twistzz will be better than ropz for sure
2021-03-30 04:14
3 replies
#68
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Estonia hololive
if snakeigan can unlock twistzz potential then he would easily be on par with ropz. if you’re talking about peaks then I’d unfortunately have to say that yes, twistzz was better at his peak, but ropz hasn’t even hit his peak and full potential yet
2021-03-30 04:17
2 replies
same with twistzzz except I don't know how much better ropz can get when I know twistzzz can get much better he's a top 5 aimer of all time for a reason
2021-03-30 04:24
1 reply
#112
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Estonia Sn4pzhat
hmm 1. Niko 2. S1mple 3. Coldzera 4. Ropz 5. Twistzz/Elige?
2021-03-30 07:44
#95
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Finland Nollegee
2019 Lan comparison but gotta admit Twistzz hs% is sick hltv.org/stats/players/compare/10394/twi..
2021-03-30 06:28
#109
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Estonia Sn4pzhat
i agree with you that he could be better. but the reason why he had better lan year on 2019 is because liquid played more, liquid won more mouse were dogshit and only won sth in the end. Ropz LAN 2019: hltv.org/stats/players/11816/ropz?startD.. Twistzz LAN 2019: hltv.org/stats/players/10394/twistzz?sta.. I guess mouse played on some t2 lans so ropz can farmm his rating and kills but otherwise on 2019 lans ropz were better
2021-03-30 07:42
halo bot, he linked you stats, now where are the arguments? hltv.org/stats/players/compare/10394/twi.. where exactly twistzz is better than ropz on lans? looking pretty?
2021-03-30 08:50
#75
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Canada JC_123
Ropz on 100 ping most of 2020? I aren't think that
2021-03-30 04:49
1 reply
#111
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Estonia Sn4pzhat
where did he mention 100 ping?
2021-03-30 07:43
twistzz is so much better man cmon
2021-03-30 03:11
2 replies
#45
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Estonia hololive
lol not even close, ropz > twistzzzzzzzz... 🥱😴😴😴
2021-03-30 03:12
ropz >>>>>>>>>>>>>> twistz
2021-03-30 04:09
It’s hard to say, but I don’t think it will come down to a matter of peaks to be honest, more like who goes farther in tournaments, and that will mostly likely be FaZe.
2021-03-30 03:21
Ropz 8x better than Twistzz
2021-03-30 03:28
Rn it's not even close Ropz
2021-03-30 03:38
#61
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United States Americah!
twistzz easily
2021-03-30 03:53
1 reply
na for life!
2021-03-30 03:55
bro karrigan its a fucking trash IGL. Ropz is a GOD by himself and karrigan doesnt influenced in absolutely nothing in his performance. Karrigan overrated IGL. Bot and will never wins a major. And finally: twitstzz < ropz
2021-03-30 04:08
2 replies
flag checks out
2021-03-30 04:17
1 reply
I cheers for FaZe too, I love cold, I like Twistz and broky, but that's just the true
2021-03-30 04:29
Ropz has better gamesense and consistency while Twistzz has better aim but higher peaks Right now I'd say ropz. Twistzz has this weird playstyle and his positioning is weird to watch. But I think he has a lot of room to grow. They also play different roles so theres that too.
2021-03-30 04:40
5 replies
agreed, ropz consistent as hell right now, twistzz seems very streaky at the moment
2021-03-30 05:06
3 replies
#90
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Ecuador Ageless
Craziest thing is they are both still only 21 lol
2021-03-30 06:15
2 replies
Yeah it really is. Even crazier to realize Twistzz joined Liquid at JUST 17 and won IGS at 19. ropz as well joined mouz when he was 17/18 and became a superstar so quickly. Man was so good even the most well known pros thought he was cheating.
2021-03-30 07:21
1 reply
the craziest thing is twistzz is washed at that age, didnt even make it to top20 while being in the top team on his continent
2021-03-30 08:48
according to stats Ropz has also better aim in fact Ropz had the best aim in 2020 among all top players.
2021-03-30 07:49
#73
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Malaysia AtPdTrZ
give him a break he's still a guy who going from being a support to a hard carry role i mean only krimz like the only one who did it that fast even then he can only do so much
2021-03-30 04:41
twistzz <3
2021-03-30 04:48
ropz baiting and statpaddjng while twistzz entry god
2021-03-30 05:19
7 replies
Rofl
2021-03-30 08:37
4 replies
flair checks
2021-03-30 20:02
3 replies
flair, name, flag checks
2021-03-30 20:10
2 replies
except what im saying is true
2021-03-30 20:15
1 reply
except that it is not ropz has more openings and more success with his openings, check stats and stop baiting, bot.
2021-03-30 20:35
Man ropz has literally taken up an entry role on mouz while originally being a lurker because everyone else refused
2021-03-30 09:11
1 reply
nah
2021-03-30 20:02
as a jhuge twistzz fan, i say ropz
2021-03-30 05:42
1 reply
#91
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Ecuador Ageless
7/8
2021-03-30 06:16
#82
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Argentina zrmkr
Ropz More consistent and better rn but twistzz higher peak Still I'd pick ropz
2021-03-30 06:02
you guys are so funny thinking IGL can "unlock" hidden power lol. this is not dragonball, it's just a fucking shooter game. he can give you some advices how he sees game, ain't much to that. everyone knows that ropz is an insane all-in-one player and everyone knows that twistzz is an insane aimer with not so good gamesense. igl won't magically fix anything, players will be the same.
2021-03-30 06:22
2 replies
#115
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Sweden dogtown
So what you're saying is that a football team doesn't need a manager. Because people can't improve you so why you need coaches and managers in any sport. Good logic
2021-03-30 07:53
no trust me, with better igl twistzz will become top1 player from top 40 trash he is now
2021-03-30 08:46
Botzz<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<Ropz
2021-03-30 06:25
2 replies
godzz
2021-03-30 06:28
botzz > botz
2021-03-30 20:16
I think Elige under fallen will be head and shoulders above those 2. but if I had to choose id say twistzz cause rops is stuck in a sinking ship
2021-03-30 06:32
1 reply
#108
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Estonia Sn4pzhat
he meant before with karrigan, like their peak
2021-03-30 07:34
Ofc ropz, it's not even a question.
2021-03-30 06:35
Both are over rated, both are baiting for stats, both has no majors and both has no top 1.
2021-03-30 06:38
1 reply
s0mple fan talking
2021-03-30 06:40
ropz baby
2021-03-30 07:03
My boy Twistzz ftw
2021-03-30 07:30
#107
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Estonia Sn4pzhat
ropz no question
2021-03-30 07:33
#110
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Czech Republic JameS_19
Ropz
2021-03-30 07:43
#114
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United States pif1x
ropz ofc <3
2021-03-30 07:51
Ropz because he is 10x times better. Also, Faze won't achieve anything with broky and coldzera in the team. Yes, I know mouz is shit, but they will be better. Even if they aren't, ropz is still 10x times better
2021-03-30 08:36
Twistzzzaaaaaaaaaaa
2021-03-30 08:36
Pure talent , consistency: rop >>>>>> twitch
2021-03-30 08:40
Ropz is overrated . He is a good rifler but he takes too much space and set ups to perform good. Twistzz in 2019 liquid was better than ropz
2021-03-30 08:46
Twistzz ofc.
2021-03-30 08:56
Twistzz will have more impressive highs and his performance in some matches will be beyond what ropz does usually But to me ropz has more consistency and will probably end up being better But that depends, ropz isn't exactly in a team that will let him preform good
2021-03-30 09:15
I think Twsitzz can reach higher that Ropz, my personal opinion, i believe Ropz had peaked and that is it for him now he will just stay at this level.
2021-03-30 09:19
1 reply
ropz has recently become an entry. That seems like quite a dramatic change, doesn't it?
2021-03-30 09:22
Look at Pro League right now. FaZe and Mouz are both trash teams, FaZe did a little better, and Ropz is still in the top 8 players. Twistzz is high as well (9th, just falls out of top 8) but despite having a better team he isn't as good as Ropz. Of course things can still change, but I don't think Twistzz can be as good a player as Ropz.
2021-03-30 09:28
1 reply
and thats your personal opinion and your entitled to that but not all agree with that.
2021-03-30 10:10
Twstzz is very good,but in my opimion ropz is better,because he carry his team in every situation and he can play as rifler lurker and more Have a good day guys
2021-03-30 09:29
Twistzz I think.
2021-03-30 09:31
#150
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Finland SKESJAK
ropzistzz
2021-03-30 09:33
the squad around ropz was worse, so teamwise they achieved less and that had a big impact on ranking placings of ropz and twistzz but individually, I think ropz is slightly. but a better player
2021-03-30 10:19
ropz
2021-03-30 10:24
#158
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Russia Thfthf
Ropz much smarter, skilled and with that has nice aim. Twists sometimes insane aim and performance at moments. Ropz is definitely better player. Its like 10 yo trying to outplay 20 yo.
2021-03-30 14:04
twistzz for me on form, he can change games on his own and go big in the right moments ropz is consistent for sure and is in control of his own statistical game but he cannot affect a game on his own
2021-03-30 14:24
imagine ropz and twistzz on the same team.
2021-03-30 15:29
my fav player is ropz, but I believe Twistzz has a higher skill ceiling
2021-03-30 15:40
#169
Dosia | 
Poland iOFF
twistzz under karrigan > ropz under dexter twistzz under karrigan > ropz under aleksiB
2021-03-30 17:39
twistzz
2021-03-30 17:54
Ropz
2021-03-30 20:12
twistzz all the way
2021-03-30 20:16
1ropz 2elige 3xanta 4twist ..... wtf of course ropz
2021-03-30 20:16
bruh peep this one
2021-04-01 17:47
ropz of course. no doubt
2021-04-01 17:49
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