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Current T2/T3 top 30 teams (March)
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El Salvador laughingatmadbettors 
1. HAVU 2. FPX 3. ENCE 4. EG 5. Mouz 6. Dignitas 7. Endpoint (Without Flamez GG unless + Mezii) 8. Fnatic 9. ex-Winstrike ------------------------------------- 10. Skade 11. Nemiga 12. DBL Poney (with NBK, not KioShima) 13. sAw 14. Sprout 15. Sinners 16. Extremum 17. MiBR -------------------------------------------- 18. AGO 19. Wisla Krakow 20. Tricked 21. Movistar Riders 22. Nordavind 23. Copenaghen Flames 24. Anonymo 25. Forze 26. LDLC 27. Godsent 28. Mad Lions (They'll go up the more they play) 29. Apeks 30. K23 - Everything before exWinstrike (Included) = T2. Everything between Skade and MiBR (Included) = debatable T2. Anything below AGO = T3. - If you don't consider current Mouz, EG, and Fnatic T2 then throw Lyngby Vikings , Trident, and Sangal at the bottom - OG not in here because of the roster changes. (should be included if you consider the above T2). - When Extra Salt and Pain get to compete in EU, I'll actually rank them. - No flukdova/Fiend.
2021-04-06 17:07
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tldr
2021-04-06 17:08
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next major final O PLANO vs EC BRUGGE
2021-04-06 17:19
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+1
2021-04-06 17:54
Poor hen1 wasted his carreer by joining kng who thinks the orgs would all want their 5awper team with a vac banned guy lol
2021-04-11 12:10
ok :D mr mgegaa
2021-04-06 17:09
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DTeeVee banned too?
2021-04-06 17:13
#3
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Finland SiniKala
Pretty solid
2021-04-06 17:11
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thx havufan
2021-04-06 17:24
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#10
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Denmark Zetix02
Really Sprout that low? And also ENCE that high?
2021-04-06 17:27
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Sprout: Lost against Nordavind, Wisla, DBL Poney, Sinners, AGO, Endpoint, Havu. Lost maps against PACT and Offset Ence: Beat Havu, Mouz, G2, Vitality. 3 maps against VP and NiP. Lost against HAVU, Faze, and a bo1 against Mad Lions. Before that, against sAw (In better form than now). I think they're where they deserve...
2021-04-06 17:36
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Denmark Zetix02
I think they are t2,4 I think they should be top 7 not top 4 but you know it’s your ranking
2021-04-06 17:40
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- So exactly where they are. I don't have Sprout over any team above them right now. - In a match, I have Ence over EG, Dignitas, Endpoint, and Mouz right now. Still, pretty similar level all around.
2021-04-06 17:45
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Denmark Zetix02
The problem with EG is that they are pretty new with oBo Mouz also specially when you see that the new player is the Igl
2021-04-06 17:47
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No one is saying otherwise. That's why is current rank. But you said ENCE was too high and Sprout too low, but you pretty much rate them around the same area. Mouz, EG, HAVU, FPX, ENCE and Fnatic should be T1 teams (Maybe even Dignitas with Lekr0)
2021-04-06 17:58
THe problem with EG is Cerq is godawful compared to what he used to be when they were competing for the number one spot. Sub 1.00 ratings on Train and Nuke as an AWPer while a 17 year old is carrying with Brehze. Don't know what happened to him.
2021-04-06 18:40
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Bulgaria Kepler_Bg
not really, its mostly with obo
2021-04-11 12:12
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? Receipts.
2021-04-12 15:39
ence overrated right now imo. They have only had 1 good run and a massive choke
2021-04-06 17:12
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#5
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Poland Roxin
Because they havent played anything besides that?
2021-04-06 17:13
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hltv.org/results?team=4869 they have. And its been all around the place
2021-04-06 17:14
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Finland SiniKala
Their performance is too shaky, sometimes they can beat some solid top 10 or at least put a fight up against them but sometimes they might lose to a tier 3 team without putting a fight
2021-04-06 17:28
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That is my point exactly. They have the skill ceiling to be a top 10 team, but without the consistency to do so. I think this team well lie in the Top 20-10 section if they reach their potential and hit it consistently.
2021-04-06 17:30
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Finland SiniKala
+1
2021-04-06 17:34
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also when sergej joins havu (pls this and not that poopoo flusha project) HAVU will legit be top 10 EZPZ
2021-04-06 17:35
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#19
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Finland SiniKala
I think Havu should replace Jemi with Saddyx or sergej, those guys are more heavy fragging and skillful players who can turn games the other way around which i don't think Jemi is capable of
2021-04-06 17:40
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Havu does not need more fragging players or players that are capable to turn rounds around, they need support player that is ready to take shit roles and let star players like aerial shine, and when Jemi gets more experience against t1, I think he will be perfect for that role..
2021-04-11 12:10
Blink should be in the top 30 of t2-t3 teams
2021-04-06 17:27
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Reach Advance final, qualify to a Spring Sweet Spring main event and I'll think about it. In March? After losing to young ninjas? No.
2021-04-06 17:39
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They did beat k23 men’s and they are still rising and getting better gonna hit top 40 team worldwide soon
2021-04-06 17:43
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K23 is the last team on my list, so beating them while losing to Young Ninjas or Finest doesn't grant you a top 30 spot in my eyes...
2021-04-06 17:47
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The matches against finest and young ninjas are the only ones they dropped that weren’t against teams that are in this list. They been better than movistars and other lower teams on that list as of recently
2021-04-06 17:49
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I dislike Movistar but they have not been better than Movistar or any other team on the low places in this list. Blink only major win is over K23. besides that, they just beat T4 teams. Movistar is going downhills in my ranks, but they still had a relevant February month to justify not having a worse placing. And they haven't had a lost at the same level as Finest or Young Ninjas...
2021-04-06 18:03
Winstrike on 9 is cringe, it's atleast 6 come on, mens. Also Havu on 1 is questionable, was there any matches between them and teams from 2-5? I don't think so, they are good, but not that good. Other than that - pretty solid
2021-04-06 17:48
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When havu beat teams like big and nip I think it’s self explanatory why they’re at 1
2021-04-06 17:50
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Some of teams below have beaten big teams from top 30. That's expectable, all top-9 teams here are very solid, I have just never seen Havu vs FPX matchup for example. Sure FPX is less consistent, but wouldn't call them worse for that. Most of HAVU wins are against domestic opponents, FPX (and others below) play more higher tier tournaments, so other than raw stats I don't see how HAVU are the best. But yet again, HAVU surely look like they deserve it atleast
2021-04-11 11:53
How it's a 3 place gap "cringe". ex-Winstrike hasn't shown the consistency that HAVU has shown (for example). They obviously can beat pretty much any team on the list, but also might lose against several teams below
2021-04-06 18:06
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Winstrike also had a fair share of big win streaks on their own and and proven they can beat serious opponents. Are they MORE consistent? - no. But are they weaker than Dignitas? Dignitas is a lot less consistent in that sense, why is Ex-WS below them if they have better stats and better consistency than them?
2021-04-11 12:04
wisla is t2, around sprout level
2021-04-06 17:51
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Nah. Wisla only huge map is Train. To inconsistent. And AGO is the truth best Poland team (Wisla 2nd)
2021-04-06 18:09
for you faze is t1 or t4?
2021-04-06 17:55
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I could have put Faze in here, but I don't know where would I rank them in the T2 slots. Guess blast (Even if it was with Olof) persuade me to do so. Also current BiG it's starting to look like they could be here too...
2021-04-06 18:14
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hmm ok man good consideration you are not a hltv idiot wp
2021-04-06 20:38
#33
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Poland Berbe123
Havu is overrated, dont deserve 1st place
2021-04-06 18:08
havu top 5 at best
2021-04-06 18:09
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Japan Peine
Where's EG
2021-04-06 18:22
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Guess you can't read
2021-04-06 18:35
I love fnatic being down there haha
2021-04-06 18:27
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A team that loses against another that bootcamps with strippers deserves no better.
2021-04-06 18:36
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what? did I miss something xd?
2021-04-06 18:38
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Canada LUCAMT1
pretty solid tbh gj
2021-04-06 18:59
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thx. Expected intelligence from Canadian and Astralis fan.
2021-04-06 20:03
edit.
2021-04-06 20:03
Skade is hard T2 buddy! Don't you remember they recently win over ex-Winstrike ?
2021-04-11 12:12
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So by your logic copenhagen flames > gambit?
2021-04-11 13:01
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My logic comes from the curent performance of the team!
2021-04-11 13:13
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