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2018-2019 Major
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Ukraine RoadToAlphaMale 
since the start of 2017, csgo started facing a downfall, which was clearly visible by the end of 2017 and start of 2018 ALL t1 teams undergoing shuffles, signing up t2-t3 no namers, changing orgs constantly. CSGO player-base facing slump because new games like PUBG CSGO viewership facing slump because skin betting banned by steam in 2017 Valve still hosting Majors just to earn profits from a possibly dying game by selling STICKERs and Souvenirs cases also in hope to revive the game BUT TO BE HONEST, the level of tough competition in the tier 1 CS had gone down significantly. Hence, its safe to say, following Major titles are just blank titles. Level of Competition in 2014-17 Major >>>> 2018-19 Major. therefore, following 'major' titles are nothing more than just another tournament win. EL Boston 2018 : Cloud9 FACEIT London 2018: Astralis IEM Katowice 2019 : Astralis SL Berlin 2019: Astralis like it or not, its some hard facts.
2021-04-07 18:59
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hey the last team besides astralis to win a major has rush POG
2021-04-07 19:00
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#2
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United States Burger_King
it's because RUSH is very good player
2021-04-07 19:00
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i agree mens)) also eleague boston is the best major in recent memory so idk what hes on about
2021-04-07 19:01
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#7
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United States Burger_King
He's strange Just because Astralis were 2 steps ahead doesn't mean competition became worse
2021-04-07 19:02
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astralis 2 step ahead because every other t1 org were palying with newly signed up t2,t3 players (ie those teams took 2 steps back) leaving astralis the only t1 team to be playing with a solid 4 man core lineup to by default take the lead
2021-04-07 19:07
RUSH is just too damn good
2021-04-07 19:01
enough evidence that 2018-19 majors were a mix of T1 and T2 teams and level of competiton was far low than 2016 and before
2021-04-07 19:01
When LANS come back for CS, there will be a huge bounce back. For it being shitty online tournaments with fluke teams still pulling a good amount of viewers shows it can go up with LANS.
2021-04-07 19:01
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yeah. csgo making comeback during lockdown when the old player base came back. including me. and i was shocked by NA 1 major and Astralis 3 major. totally underserved titles
2021-04-07 19:04
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yeah, 3 majors are undeserved by the best team to ever grace the game. c9 major was fluke tho
2021-04-07 19:11
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astralis core lineup was playing actively in t1 ever since 2014, however they acheived nothing until the T1 scene became mixed with t2 players and org shuffles during the 2017 era. idk if being called best 4 major winning team is even worth it, when the t1 competition wasnt even half as compared to the years before.
2021-04-07 19:17
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+magisk
2021-04-07 19:18
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also +phycologist
2021-04-07 19:37
#72
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United Kingdom o_w_o
this is... kinda true actually, but liquid and navi were objectively really good fucking teams
2021-04-08 07:27
yea
2021-04-07 19:04
0/8
2021-04-07 19:06
2 replies
+1!
2021-04-07 19:15
it wasnt a bait
2021-04-07 19:28
#11
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Reunion Esquinox
I actually didn't read entirely the first time so I didn't comment but daily csgo ded thread
2021-04-07 19:06
#12
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United States Azaqa
Agree about 2019 majors, only 2-4 good teams in each of them it was pretty boring, however boston 2018 tons of competitive matches and exciting matches, almost all teams were good. Faceit was pretty shit to watch but undeniable there was a lot of competition and great teams
2021-04-07 19:07
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yeah boston had more talent as compared to the other 3 majors that followed. but teams like Fnatic and Nip were already become a joke. also SK had a bad lineup. and there was only 1 team from the french side, that too in a pretty bad shape. so its still <<<<< 2014-17 majors
2021-04-07 19:14
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#21
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United States Azaqa
french 2018 were noobs, zywoo saved them
2021-04-07 19:16
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thats what my point is. the Quality of Major titles went down since mid 2017-18-19 because the teams that were the part of t1 werent half as good as before.
2021-04-07 19:19
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#27
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United States Azaqa
I disagree I think other teams were improving while french teams at that time were stuck in 2015 gameplay, the french teams werent really comparable to other top teams because they just played a lot worse and relied on aim more. Compare top 8 teams in 2018 majors to top 8 teams in 2016 majors and if you just imagine what a match between the teams would look like the 2018 teams would 100% win
2021-04-07 19:21
lmao Astralis 2018+ just too far ahead of other teams not the other way around. Otherwise we'd still see all aim small brain plays. Now everything has to be aim+brain+utility.
2021-04-07 19:07
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#14 idk what u mean by utility usage saying it as if astralis were the first team to ever use utility wisely? lol. u let too much of the commentry stay in ur head rent free i guess. utility is being used how it should be ever since the start of the game
2021-04-07 19:10
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cry and rent both are free
2021-04-07 19:11
#15
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Brazil mininuh$
NO FNX, NO MAJOR
2021-04-07 19:07
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FNX best brazilian player
2021-04-07 19:18
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Canada Dubsyy
Niko, Guardian, Karrigan, rain and olof are bad?
2021-04-07 19:18
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yes. compared to 2015-16 teams, this lineup was shhht. there wasnt enough competiton in t1 during 2018-19 to begin with, ofc these high rated individuals could be considered a beast team, but they definetly lacked co-ordination. teams like astralis were only able to acheive stuff because they were the only t1 core lineup which continue to grow together since the 2015. but still since there was very low Bar set by other t1 teams during 2017-18-19, their major wins are just any other title wins, unworthy of being called true Major wins
2021-04-07 19:23
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#30
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United States Azaqa
Why 2019 astralis> 2019 liquid then...
2021-04-07 19:28
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2019 liquid > 2019 astralis men
2021-04-07 19:31
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#37
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United States Azaqa
but 2019 liquid couldnt beat 2019 astralis men :(
2021-04-07 19:35
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one thing about astralis is that they dont let off their steam run out. that gives them the edge. but 2015 fnatic >>>>> lulstralis
2021-04-07 19:38
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perk  | 
Finland eIe
Lack of competition because of Astralis' dominance. Overall the scene has improved every year
2021-04-07 19:30
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if u started following csgo from 2017 then yes. if u have been watching the t1 games from before then obviously you are wrong 2014,2015,2016 were the peak times, 2017 was beginning of the slump and tier shuffle 2018 was the adaptive period, 2019 better than 2018. and then 2020 xaxa
2021-04-07 19:32
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#36
perk  | 
Finland eIe
Watching since 2015 Teams now are definitely better than back then, competition=/=quality
2021-04-07 19:34
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competiton == quality mate. thats the thumb rule of life men wtf
2021-04-07 19:36
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#43
perk  | 
Finland eIe
No? I play a faceit game that ends 16-14 and then I watch a pro game that ends 16-5, does that mean my game had more quality?
2021-04-07 19:38
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now u are comparing ur faceit game (whatever level it may be, or lets consider it as like t3 level) to a pro t1 level game. let me put it this way, ur faceit 16-14 game has competition and quality of that tier if pro game is close, then theres competition as well as quality cs being played from both sides. if its 16-5 then one team is playing more competitive than the other, and we can see them play quality cs but just on one side, the other team isnt as competitive/have that quality
2021-04-07 19:43
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#46
perk  | 
Finland eIe
But we are talking about absolute quality. I would much rather watch a pro team destroy another team 16-0 than watch a level 3 faceit game no matter if it was 5 overtimes
2021-04-07 19:50
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They are pros coz they beat the competition and became pros or what?
2021-04-07 19:58
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#49
perk  | 
Finland eIe
What?
2021-04-07 20:01
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Quality and competition aren't two different things man as long as you are speaking in the same context
2021-04-07 20:03
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perk  | 
Finland eIe
Ofc they are different. You can have good competition in tier2 but that doesn't mean they are better than tier1 even if tier1 had only one dominant team
2021-04-07 20:09
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Why are you going out of context and comparing 2 different tiers? I guess I'll sleep men, I don't wanna argue with my friend ele
2021-04-07 20:16
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#66
perk  | 
Finland eIe
Because I consider 2015 cs and today cs two different tiers
2021-04-07 20:18
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So u mean 2015 cs had competition but no quality? How? Competition and quality go hand in hand men.
2021-04-07 20:20
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#68
perk  | 
Finland eIe
But they don't. Or would you say that teams and players were better skillwise and tactic wise than today? Players get better every year, in all sports. Things become more professional, better equipment, better training methods etc
2021-04-07 20:23
EL Boston 18:FaZe for sure U better check before post
2021-04-07 19:34
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xd doesnt matter even if faze won it, the comeptiton bar was already very low. but i'd still be happier if faze won it coz NA cs LUL was is forever
2021-04-07 19:35
#39
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Russia NOD777
The world calls it the biggest competitive era and change of how cs is played while ukraine is doing this
2021-04-07 19:36
404 Brain not found
2021-04-07 19:37
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Cry is fr
2021-04-07 19:59
#44
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Canada roylin
k
2021-04-07 19:38
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k is free
2021-04-07 20:04
#51
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Argentina BlanKsT
but, astralis also won a major in 2017 so, they're good
2021-04-07 20:03
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Yeah they won major in 2017, I'm not downplaying that. Even though csgo slump had begun in 2017, it wasn't much evident until later years.
2021-04-07 20:05
0/8 flag checks out malding Na’vi fan
2021-04-07 20:04
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I'm astralis fan and I'm speaking the truth, my fav team won 3 major titles during the period when the csgo competition was 10x lower than before.
2021-04-07 20:06
salty navi fan 0 major
2021-04-07 20:05
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2021-04-07 20:06
Signed in for +1 There is no competition since 2017. One of the top teams has fucking caster as player(cadian) what a joke. If you think otherwise you are 15 y.o newfag. From fnatic-tsm-envyus power triangle to 1 dominant team with casters and random teams in top 10.
2021-04-07 20:07
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This man is the truth. Also thinking about how Swedish shuffle ruined the giants NIP and Fnatic and a new shtt team godsent was formed, I just hate those lekr0 brollan discodoplan twist etc etc t2-t3 no namers which fkin destroyed the pro scene. Also French scene adding up t2 players like bodyy sixer etc just ruined everything.
2021-04-07 20:11
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Cs and scene is ruined and looks like it never will be same. S1mple and ZywOo abusing team baits and awp, Astralis being the only team with brain etc etc. No competition for #1 spot. Team it is Astralis, player it is zy or s1. It will be like this for years.
2021-04-09 14:42
It may have been a fluke, but it is still a major win
2021-04-07 20:07
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2020 there was no possibility to hold a major. But valve still had to profit, so they came up with RMR 2020 Stickers haha. This should tell you a lot about those majors held in 2018-19. They shouldn't be considered true major because the level of competition was far low. Valve just sponsored those tournaments just to sell stickers.
2021-04-07 20:14
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0/8 bait
2021-04-07 20:17
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0/8 brain
2021-04-07 20:18
Bump 1
2021-04-08 06:59
competition wasnt lower astralis was just better, they changed how the game was being played in many ways. I see how one may think astralis had it easy, but thats the thing, they made it look easy "hard facts" I think not, thats just your opinion, others may agree with it but that doesnt make it a fact. 2014-2017 was more competitive? nah they just were too happy doing the same ol same ol shit every game less innovation back then, now you see them anti stratting the fk out of the opponents, awpers looking at heatmaps and what not, utility being shown importance, all of which was due but astralis certainly sped up the adoption
2021-04-08 07:30
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U r dumb to believe there was no anti-strats and proper utility usage wasn't there back in the day. Maybe u r a new fag . started to watch cs from 2017 #33
2021-04-08 07:32
#71
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North America 007DBR9
actually kinda agree there's a difference between skill ceiling and how competive something is, the navi liquid game during I think kato was far better to watch that some of the higher skill level matches later on, sure neither team was playing exceptionally well, but they were playing at similar levels, which made the match fun to watch and gave more respect to the wining and losing team
2021-04-08 07:25
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Everybody in the scene were super hyped. The teams, the casters, the viewers. The fan base was huge the competition was so tough, there were around 12 t1 teams with extreme talented players. After 2017 till today.. theres only 5-6 teir 1 teams with at least 1 or 2 underperformers or a newbie from t2,t3 scene.
2021-04-08 07:36
All this to still call c9s run a fluke bruh.
2021-04-08 07:35
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