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ZywOo, Cold and Get_Right
ZywOo | 
France i_deserve_ten_years_ban 
imagine being top 1 twice no way dude they are the best players in the world by far and NO ONE CAN COMPARE WITH THEM do u agree?
2021-04-10 18:42
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idk but ZywOo still hasn't won a major so that makes a difference with GTR and cold, not saying he is worse than them though
2021-04-10 18:43
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Maybe,ZywOo didn't won a major because of country,flag of which is placed left from ur nickname
2021-04-10 18:44
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I dont know why Majors are such a big thing. Fucking Taco won a major you wouldnt say hes better than S1mple. Ofcourse its nice to win a major but come on they shouldnt mean youre a better player because of something 5 years ago
2021-04-10 18:45
32 replies
because they are majors
2021-04-10 18:59
31 replies
So youre telling me fucking Mou is a better AWP than s1mple because he has a major fuck no. Majors dont mean shit theyre just a bragging right for those people that manage to peak at the right time and then instantly drop off. Fucking Skadoodle won a major and then fell of very soon same with Gambit...
2021-04-10 19:01
30 replies
at least they have majors and s1mple does not
2021-04-10 19:02
7 replies
S1mple is also the best player to ever play the game they are not. Also look at his overall LAN achievements. I may be wrong but I think he was the first player (TIER 1) to win an MVP without winning the event
2021-04-10 19:05
6 replies
still majorless tho
2021-04-10 19:35
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2021-04-10 19:36
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how u getting b8 'd this hard
2021-04-11 23:12
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#147
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United Kingdom _plc
he is from the UK and can never ever ever ever be wrong ever, trust me
2021-04-11 23:14
major is a team championship not a 1x1 to know who's the one with better aim, ofc that sometimes the better teams wins and not the team with the most skilled players
2021-04-10 20:52
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100% s1mple has done it in multiple teams compared to Zywoo and Dev1ce who have only been in a single team for their career so far
2021-04-10 21:10
nah but if you are the best player in the world, you should win trophies and major is most prestigious, why pele is better than messi and ronaldo.
2021-04-10 19:05
21 replies
Using this logic then Na'vi should kick S1mple and bring in Mou? No because Majors dont mean that much its purely a bragging right especially when the prize pool is not even as big as some events
2021-04-10 19:06
19 replies
using this logic, dev1ce is a greater player and major will always be worht more than any spot in a top 20
2021-04-10 19:14
6 replies
Yes Dev1ce is a good player but he isnt going to be able to single handedly turn a game around. Dev1ce leads his team to victory. S1mple puts them in a bag and drags that bag to the finish line with all his strength. Thats why S1mple is a better player. Majors are just a bonus but anyone CAN win a major in the right scenario NO ONE is as good as s1mple to date
2021-04-10 19:19
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But...it's a teamgame, if Dev1ce can setup the game better so his teammates can do a better cs than what S1mple is able to do with Na'vi or what he did in Liquid, it means Dev1ce is a better player, maybe not on raw skill or agressive playstyle, but on the overall it's way more succesful for him and his pocket.
2021-04-11 14:54
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Thats so stupid. So Dev1ce better than s1mple because the game is setup around his team and they do alot of the work compared to Navi where s1mple has to put in alot more effort to even have a chance of winning. Nice mindset, best player means you have to have a really good team because you possibly couldnt be a better player on an overall worse team
2021-04-11 16:03
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Do you think that S1mple on Astralis would make them more succesful? He would have amazing teammates!!! When you play mm, there's always one player who's more interested on being the topfragger than win the match and if he needs to bait you to get 2 kills, he would do. Do you think he'd be a better player because he gets more kills? Now think the times S1mple got a knife kill even if that means boombl4 was the bait and died. S1mple takes a lot of space and that makes his teammates to look worst when they are not, because he has so many influence on the game and everything pass through him, that the rest can't shine. S1mple is an amazing player, don't get me wrong, if you look purely to stats, he should be the best, but he's not because he doesn't play for the team on a team game.
2021-04-11 16:34
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Okay ill do one better. You put Dev1ce on Astralis and I promise you they would never make it top 3. S1mple can bait Boombl4 all he wants honestly. Baiting one player to potentially get 3 kills is so worthwhile. Also I would love to hear your opinions on Zywoo because statistically he relies on his team alot more. S1mple will frag no matter what compared to Zywoo who struggles more when his team are playing bad. Dev1ce is also the same thing. THEY NEED THE TEAM TO FRAG S1MPLE FRAGS NO MATTER WHAT
2021-04-11 17:14
Let's make a comparison real quick with the NFL, Tom Brady is ARGUABLY the GOAT, he has more titles than any other ORGANIZATION, including whole teams, players etc. Man has fkng 7 rings to his name. But he is not the most talented player, neither the faster, stronger etc. There are tons of players which individually are more skilled and naturally gifted than him, but what makes him so much more sucessful than those other players? Simple, the capacity to make everyone around him better, and understanding the needs of his team, also the endless hunting for winning. U can also make this a comparison with dev1ce and astralis, he is not the most talented awper, he doesn't make the flashiest plays ever, but he is insanely consistent and makes everyone around him play better. So, u can consider him not the BEST player indivdually and i also think that S1mple overall is the BEST skill wise to touch the game, he's been playing insanely well for so long and barely with no help from his team that's insane but sadly for him lacks what dev1ce has the most, titles and majors.
2021-04-12 20:03
youre misunderstanding, its similar to NBA if you dont win titles you cant be considered the goat. in s1mples case you can still be the greatest player to touch the game mechanically but some consider device the goat for his achievements and consistency,
2021-04-10 19:31
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I understand what you mean I just think its a poor mindset. Dev1ce has only played within one team, Dig/TSM/Astralis. Every team s1mple has been a part of has done amazingly. Flipside, Liquid, Navi s1mple did bits under all of them. Sure dev1ce is an amazing player but his achievements are all under 1 team which takes away as without that team what has he done..?
2021-04-10 19:36
10 replies
yeah but s1mple underperformed in those teams in the majors, while device comes in big along with his team. device has been top 5 like 5 years in a row thats unmatched consistency along with the majors cant be ignored
2021-04-10 19:40
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WHAT!!!!!!!! S1mple literally took Liquid to the semi finals of a major. No NA team had ever done that before. Joins flipsid3 and they start having big upsets. Then on Na'vi wins their first 200k+ event. Goes on to place top 5 player 4 years in a row (I believe) so I think its pretty justified he did alot on them teams
2021-04-10 19:46
I was kinda of baiting first but now ill be more serious. Your points are valid but what you are missing is the fact that prestige is very important. Just like World Cups, majors are what really matter in the end. People will remember Messi and Cronaldo as great players but without a WC title they will forever be a tier below from the great players that did achieve it.
2021-04-10 19:38
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they have like the last 20 ballon'd ors or whatever the fk u call it i think they are at the same tier as all greats before them
2021-04-10 19:41
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sorry but without WCs those are virtually meaningless
2021-04-10 19:42
So basically your point is that people who dont follow the scene should decide who is the best not those who follow it in depth?
2021-04-10 19:51
4 replies
No. I'm saying that the first condition to be GOAT is win the most important tournament at least one time, then we begin to check the subsequent achievements.
2021-04-10 19:53
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So taco is closer to best player in the world than s1mple?
2021-04-10 19:54
2 replies
No because s1mple "only" needs to win a major to be on the run, while although TACO has majors he would have to achieve a shitload of individual things to fit the rest of the conditions.
2021-04-10 19:59
1 reply
But "first condition is win the most important tournament at least one time" therefore taco is closer than s1mple?
2021-04-10 19:59
pele's football looks like child's play compared to messi and ronaldo. football has evolved, so has csgo
2021-04-10 19:08
not gonna bother discussing politics, especially with you my friend :)
2021-04-10 19:13
1 reply
You are right,u better to pay fees for corona to every nation in the world instead of arguing with me
2021-04-10 19:32
winning major = team achievement
2021-04-10 18:44
4 replies
Being a good teamplayer and being able to lift your whole team = individual trait/skill that doesn't show up in the stats.
2021-04-10 18:47
2 replies
+1 intelligent Danish mate
2021-04-10 19:07
+1
2021-04-11 16:54
i'm just pointing out that diff, like I said ZywOo isn't necessarily worse than them bcz of that.
2021-04-10 19:13
unfortunate timing with corona, zywoo plus a good team in normal time would defo get close or get a major win
2021-04-10 19:09
4 replies
true but there is still a chance Vita can stabilize and win the next one
2021-04-10 19:13
3 replies
yeah, they are a team with so much potential. Zywoo- potentially best player alive right now Shox- Most clutches and consistent rifler/ lurker apEX- ngl can be a malder but when he's calm his calling is top tier RpK- literally a tank, on CT very lethal misutaaa- good entry and sharp aim, could turn into a top 20 player around these legends that's my short analysis, I want to see vita play more
2021-04-10 19:42
2 replies
Scream brother is better than misutaaa any day.
2021-04-11 14:56
1 reply
like apEX said, they picked misutaaa cuz he fits the missing role better, and also he's more consistent
2021-04-11 15:03
the biggets problem is when both of them got their top 2 they started declining a lot, hope it wont happen for ZywOo;*
2021-04-10 18:43
BoT_RiGhT didn't deserve top1 2014
2021-04-10 18:43
7 replies
+1
2021-04-10 18:45
ohh
2021-04-10 18:50
+1 flusha robbed
2021-04-10 19:40
3 replies
hahaha
2021-04-10 20:00
2 replies
? whats funny?
2021-04-10 20:40
1 reply
2021-04-10 20:46
he did.
2021-04-11 22:55
Yes because you can't compare those to Lord Boombl4 Jokes aside: I wonder if you would write this thread again if S1mple gets top 1 this year. But it truly is a great achievement!
2021-04-10 18:44
2 replies
boombl4>zywoo
2021-04-11 17:06
1 reply
Common knowledge brodder 😎
2021-04-11 17:08
Get_Right most overrated player in the world
2021-04-10 18:44
7 replies
+1
2021-04-10 18:45
and you are most brainless hltv user in the world
2021-04-10 19:10
4 replies
#109
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North America AlanSmith
+1
2021-04-10 21:52
+1
2021-04-10 22:34
+1
2021-04-11 16:58
+1 His name checks out
2021-04-11 22:58
0/8
2021-04-10 20:01
f0rest
2021-04-10 18:45
device > all top 5 for 5 years (top 3 for 4) > top 1 for 2 years
2021-04-10 18:46
2 replies
+1
2021-04-10 19:17
Nah
2021-04-10 20:55
Ehm, S1mple???
2021-04-10 18:47
19 replies
in a row and s1mple top 1 x1
2021-04-10 18:52
18 replies
but he is a lot better than coldzera who had peak which lasted 2 years and then he became noob compared to other players, s1mple has been spectacular player for the last 5 years since 2016, always considered top 5 in those years.
2021-04-10 18:58
9 replies
ehm device?
2021-04-10 19:13
#115
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Brazil wetdark
S1mple had great individual statistics, but Coldzera had more impact on CS in those 2 years of his peak. Those who followed know this. However, S1mple's career is still long and he can create many things.
2021-04-11 14:50
7 replies
Well he had more impact on CS just cause he had teammates like fer and fallen and SK gaming were top 1 team in 2017. S1mple*s only good teammate is electronic who has been struggling in 2021. Coldzera has also been mediocre player since 2018/19
2021-04-11 16:01
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#127
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Brazil wetdark
If you use the argument that it was the S1mple team, then Coldzera's team didn't help you in 2018-2019 either. S1mple playing on a team outside the navi would not even have any statistics, as the entire Navi plays for him.
2021-04-11 16:29
1 reply
He played for liquid while being top 4 player of 2016.
2021-04-11 22:54
#128
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Brazil wetdark
To make matters worse for S1mple, he was top HLTV abusing AWP, as well as ZyWoo and Device. Cold was the best in the world twice in the role of Support and using Rifle.
2021-04-11 16:31
3 replies
If you watched cold in 2016 and 17 you would know that he also played awp in like every 7th round.
2021-04-11 22:54
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#148
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Brazil wetdark
He was a second awper and not the main one like them. He didn't abuse Awp. It was only in some strategies.
2021-04-12 16:12
1 reply
Man, did I say he was main awper? Jesus fucking crist.
2021-04-12 19:46
But you are typical obssessed zywoo fan who thinks he was better in 2020 when he just farmed MVPs on EU rmr tournaments, I understand. Just look at his 1.24 rating in 2021 which he has rn.
2021-04-10 19:02
7 replies
yes that would be 2021, not 2020
2021-04-10 19:07
6 replies
you didnt understand did you?, s1mple has been top 1/2 for 3 years in a row, zywoo has been 1/2 for 2 years. S1mple had bigger overall rating than zywoo in 2020, Zywoo got #1 cause he farmed MVPs on EU rmr tournaments where s1mple cant participate and there are no MVPs for EU rmr tournaments. Congratulations. KekW
2021-04-10 19:10
5 replies
KekW? ok.. its KEKW. NO, ZywOo and s2mple had 50-50 stats in 2020 no doubt look on it please, but s2mple had just 4 MVPs, ZywOo 6 MVPs, so tell me 1 reason why s2mple should deserve top 1?
2021-04-10 19:17
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ZywOo deserved it, but there were quite a few factors in s1mple's favour as well. Most importantly - s1mple had a much higher rating in "elite" events, with many more maps played than ZywOo (In elite events, s1mple had 1.30 in 124 maps, ZywOo had 1.27 in 100 maps). Also, s1mple had a higher rating *against* Top5 and Top20, tied against Top30 and Top50. ZywOo was ahead in Top10 only (Note that HLTV stats filter is a different thing). Regardless, ZywOo had many more MVPs and one extra big tournament MVP. So, he won.
2021-04-10 19:52
#86
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Denmark orwelles
zywoo got #1 because he won more tournaments, while s1mple choked away two 2-0 leads.
2021-04-10 20:08
1 reply
He had better stats than any other NaVi player in these 2-0 and he even had better stats in IEM Beijing 2020 EU Finals than Zywoo.
2021-04-10 20:09
I understand (but don't necessarily agree with) your argument, except you tried to use evidence from 2021 to support your claims about the 2020 top 1 - completely invalid - "look at his 1.24 rating in 2021"
2021-04-10 20:27
You cant compare them with Devve-God, most successful and game changer player of all the time. He is always consistent even if his team is screwed. Noone gonna catch his gameplay standarts.
2021-04-10 19:01
6 replies
Even dev1ce said s1mple is the best player probably in the history of CS:GO. LOL
2021-04-10 19:02
5 replies
dude, if someone ask s2mple who is the best player of all time, you think he will say him? And device is the most consistent player of all time.
2021-04-10 19:19
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So first I have to point out that your english skills are admirable when you said someone and then ask without s (you should have said asks not ask ...), then I want to give you one little task. Go and find analyst who has been to a lot of tier 1 tournaments and ask him if device is as individual player more skilled than s1mple. I said *INDIVIDUAL*. And then come and talk to me again ok? Dev1ce is the most consistent player in the history of CS:GO yeah, but look what teams s1mple had played for before he joined NaVi. He simply didnt even have a chance for top 20 players of 2014 or 2015 because he played for tier 3 teams although he had ratings like 1.15 and 1.18 in these 2 years. S1mple is the most skilled individual player in the history. If you say he isnt then go and watch videos when pro players said their opinions about it because s1mple has had better career as an individual player when it comes to raw skill than anyone else.
2021-04-10 20:06
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why you care my eng when you understand me, nobrain. and why you writing here something i didn't even say ?? I was saying that the device is better than s1mple ??????????????????????????? s1mple was the most toxic pro player and it was rlly annoying for his teams, thats why he got kicked from a lot of teams and bcs of that he was not in top 20, and he is not most talented, he is hard worker, ZywOo is the most natural talented CS player
2021-04-10 20:43
dont do shame to our country
2021-04-10 19:23
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Our country is the shame lol. I wouldnt really talk about zywoo as natural talent and not someone who works really hard when he has 120 hrs in the last 14 days and s1mple has ,,only" 102. On one hand you said : ,,You cant compare them with Devve-God" and one the other hand you said : ,, I was saying that the device is better than s1mple ?????????????????????????? " so practically yes and you kinda hinted at it when you said ,,device is the most game changer player in the history" although thats not true. He practically has Guardians defensive playstyle but guardian doesnt even play pro CSGO now so I wouldnt call him game changer and when you said he always shows up I can send you some very nice games of device for you. hltv.org/stats/matches/mapstatsid/117896.. hltv.org/stats/matches/mapstatsid/115249.. hltv.org/stats/matches/mapstatsid/117849.. Now listen to me you chippy idiot. Stop being obnoxious obssessed Dev1ce fan and get your head out of your ass.
2021-04-10 21:15
Real GOAT Device Points by Position: 1. 45 2. 38 3. 33 4. 29 5. 25 6. 22 7. 19 8. 16 9. 14 10. 12 11. 10 12. 9 13. 8 14. 7 15. 6 16. 5 17. 4 18. 3 19. 2 20. 1 RANK PLAYER 2013 2014 2015 2016 2017 2018 2019 2020 total 1 device 0 1 33 33 25 38 33 33 196 2 s1mple 0 0 0 29 16 45 38 38 166 3 niko 0 0 0 10 38 33 10 29 120 4 get_right 45 45 10 3 0 0 0 0 103 5 coldzera 0 0 0 45 45 12 0 0 102 6 zywoo 0 0 0 0 0 0 45 45 90 7 guardian 12 10 38 4 14 10 0 0 88 8 flusha 8 38 25 12 0 0 0 0 83 9 electronic 0 0 0 0 0 29 22 25 76 10 dupreeh 3 5 9 0 12 25 5 14 73 11 olofm 0 9 45 16 2 0 0 0 72
2021-04-10 19:03
4 replies
Nice chart my man how long did it take you?
2021-04-10 19:39
1 reply
I do it in an excel (maybe 1-2 hours), but i cant publish threads... XD
2021-04-10 19:45
NiKo Top 3 Pog
2021-04-11 16:56
Cool, but I think you should take into account the time that players started playing in tier1 and also that the level increases every year.
2021-04-11 23:10
coldzera is the best, i agree
2021-04-10 19:18
only s1mple and zywoo make these amazing multi kill hilights
2021-04-10 19:25
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#55
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Brazil kwdds
you start watching cs in 2018 right?
2021-04-10 19:33
2 replies
in 1 year zywoo made more hilights than coldzera in his whole career, mor aces , more clutch more everyhting
2021-04-10 21:30
1 reply
#108
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Brazil kwdds
this answer just proves me you started watching in 2019
2021-04-10 21:49
#49
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Brazil Nicolito
ZywOo pros: 2x top 1, very high peak at top 20 ZywOo cons: online era, no major wins, very low LAN thophies Coldzera pros: 2x top 1, highest major rating ever, very high peak at majors, 12 LAN Trophies, 2 majors, back to back major MVP, 9 LAN MVP Coldzera cons: could not stand the performance after 3 years (16/17/18) GeT_RiGhT pros: 2x top 1, won major, 87-0 win streak, 26 LAN trophies GeT_RiGhT cons: no very high competition at the time
2021-04-10 19:26
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#61
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Brazil Nicolito
other mentions in GOAT topic: s1mple pros: highest peak of all time, 1x top 1, 5 appearances in top 8 rankings, 9 LAN MVP s1mple cons: no major wins, not very much LAN trophies dev1ce pros: 6 appearances in top 5, 4 major wins, major MVP, several LAN trophies and MVP, very high consistency dev1ce cons: no top 1, not very high peak honourable mentions: olofmeister, NiKo
2021-04-10 19:37
2 replies
and s2mple top 2 forever major choker. etc...
2021-04-10 20:29
1 reply
#99
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Sweden ezwuo
Still one of the best performing players ever in majors aside from finals.
2021-04-10 20:48
#50
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Brazil Ultimate13
Man, I love cold and zywoo, but nobody can be compared to dev1ce, he cannot be the player with best status in the world, but he has 4 majors and an era, the best player's not who has better stats, but the only one who helped more the team
2021-04-10 19:28
who are you trying to cheat...
2021-04-10 19:31
#54
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Brazil cauby
Cold and Getinho won a major. zywhoo won what?
2021-04-10 19:32
S1mple can compare himself to them obviously And device is propably still above them when it comes to legacy
2021-04-10 19:33
2 replies
Oh and i forgot olof, mb kennyS....there are a few absolutely outstanding players!
2021-04-10 19:35
1 reply
yes there are many cant name 1 goat, but i think its bw s1mple n dev1ce
2021-04-11 16:56
#71
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Norway BijeaN
LMFAO. Get Right was good back in the stone age. He's literally bad in modern csgo. Only ever had success because the game wasnt as big back then and people werent as good at all. Zywoo hasnt won anything? Insane talent and skill but still... Cold has some legit majors and serious skill. There was a big gap between him and the other greats in his prime.. however he doesn't look as good as that anymore. He's still a great player though. They are all time greats (except get right imo) .. but there are other names i would mention instead when talking bout the GOATS
2021-04-10 19:42
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GTR is so underrated
2021-04-10 20:04
MIGHT BE BAISED but personally I feel coldzera is the most successful player... -grabbed two top 1s and two major mvps with highest major rating also (individual success) -earned several trophies and won 2 majors ( represents his success in a team basis also) as for the case of him dropping off after 2017 -2018 he was in mibr and that team was falling apart -in 2019 he was inactive for a very long time (and mibr was screwed up) -2020 faze was an absolute mess (where iirc he used to play with the 5 player as a ct and we know faze didnt have a proper fifth player after olof's retirement) and instead of trying to be a star pretentious star player right now...he's giving the younger players the chance honestly he may still give some good perfomances if faze show stability and proper structure under karrigan....
2021-04-10 20:02
1 reply
+1
2021-04-11 16:03
#84
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Serbia LtN))
why is your name not true already?
2021-04-10 20:05
4 replies
cuz i changed. im a nice user now :) so my name doesnt check out
2021-04-10 20:31
3 replies
#92
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Serbia LtN))
i honestly dont notice changes yet
2021-04-10 20:32
2 replies
i love u mens. see? :)
2021-04-10 20:33
1 reply
#94
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Serbia LtN))
2021-04-10 20:35
#95
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Sweden ezwuo
s1mple had the highest peak ever in 2018 though and it was very close between him and ZywOo in 2020, pretty much equal.
2021-04-10 20:37
4 replies
dude the only reason he made this post is because he saw an opportunity to not include s1mple in a list
2021-04-10 20:48
3 replies
lmao
2021-04-10 22:29
2 replies
Zywhooooo? JK he is very gud pleyer
2021-04-11 14:44
1 reply
wtf so toxic >:(
2021-04-11 16:49
why did u write this in a way like its a bait and not true tho?
2021-04-10 21:09
1 reply
i really think that
2021-04-10 22:40
THis is like discusing politics, but with a lot of kids who doesn't know that people can have different opinions
2021-04-11 14:56
s1mple is best player ever
2021-04-11 14:57
Neo_1_player_of_the_decade_others_0
2021-04-11 14:58
losing to spoonj
2021-04-11 14:59
i like how zywoo is already in the 'legends' conversation although he has been a pro for like...2 years?believe me he will surpass everyone (excluding 1.6 achieves)
2021-04-11 16:13
s1mple >> all of them
2021-04-11 16:55
0/8
2021-04-11 16:59
NiKo GOAT /c;losed
2021-04-11 17:03
yep
2021-04-12 19:47
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