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ZywOo | 
France koba_12 
Why they dont remove Vertigo and put Tuscan instead in pro scene ?
2021-04-11 14:59
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#1
ropz | 
Romania Laskof
vertigo is the best map, they should remove mirage
2021-04-11 15:00
34 replies
0/8
2021-04-11 15:00
+1 or D2
2021-04-11 15:00
1 reply
+1
2021-04-11 18:19
+1
2021-04-11 15:01
#18
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Finland Ekkkku
+1
2021-04-11 15:01
+1
2021-04-11 15:02
#21
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Other Zafander
+1
2021-04-11 15:02
0/8
2021-04-11 15:02
+1
2021-04-11 15:03
#44
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Hungary Reintel
+1
2021-04-11 15:07
+1
2021-04-11 15:11
#56
Xyp9x | 
Iceland Fridd
Not sure about Vertigo being the best map, but they should definitely remove Mirage. I don't get why people like it so much honestly
2021-04-11 15:15
10 replies
because ppl like to play dm and maps that help that playstyle. Everyone knows basic utility and moves on mirage, just run around full pugstyle and onetap some people. Ppl dont like learning and adapting to new things i guess
2021-04-11 15:25
5 replies
Nobody, literally nobody knows any utility on Mirage, all I see is one top mid smoke and some bad CT smoke
2021-04-11 15:29
4 replies
even 4 years ago when i played mg2 mm, many ppl knew the basic a smokes, window, top mid and kitchen window at least tbh
2021-04-11 16:14
then get out of gn2
2021-04-11 18:54
1 reply
+1 GER CS > UK CS
2021-04-11 18:55
even MG players know utility on mirage lol. actual silver confirmed
2021-04-22 10:58
#88
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Philippines J4DEM
Yes mirage is boring in competitive but fun to play in mm
2021-04-11 18:10
mirage is an eyesore
2021-04-11 19:00
+1
2021-04-13 15:58
Because mirage is a map that allows more individual play and you can pretty much jump around / "just go kill". Ofc you also need the teamwork but it's a map that everybody has played so many times that it makes it easier for the average player to just enjoy playing and ranking up. Also very puggy / aim map with elevation changes and such
2021-04-15 17:05
Nope.Mirage nice map/
2021-04-11 18:02
1 reply
flag checks
2021-04-13 15:58
+1. remove Mirage, Vertigo best map!
2021-04-11 18:19
+1 mirage needs a remake
2021-04-11 18:44
+1
2021-04-13 15:26
#123
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Portugal skiLfuI
+1, unexpected from romania
2021-04-13 15:34
1 reply
+1
2021-04-15 17:11
#130
vsm | 
Brazil kwdds
+1
2021-04-13 15:56
#133
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Germany Droidd
+1
2021-04-13 15:58
+1
2021-04-13 15:58
#143
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Poland hillock
+100
2021-04-15 16:59
They should remove Dust2 that map is fucked
2021-04-15 17:07
Because why would they remove Vertigo, it is the newest map in the pool
2021-04-11 15:00
24 replies
the most boring map out there
2021-04-11 15:01
20 replies
That is subjective and "boring" is not a reason to remove a map from the pool
2021-04-11 15:01
6 replies
smoke spam simulator really interesting map
2021-04-11 15:04
5 replies
better than lets watch the same strats on mirage and d2 5 million times a week tbh
2021-04-11 15:26
4 replies
i rather watch fpl than smoke spams
2021-04-11 15:28
3 replies
well do that then^^ I think ppl who play at a higher level themselves are more likely to enjoy the more tactical aspect of games instead of the fancy flicks and scrappy onetaps
2021-04-11 16:12
2 replies
i do like more tactical maps, but vertigo is too often rush ramp and spam smokes, i find other maps more interesting. Map preference has noting to do with your level of play, some maps are better to watch and some to play, i for example rather play nuke over wathcing it.
2021-04-11 17:44
1 reply
Yeah i hate watching nuke too sometimes, playing it is really fun on ct side tho
2021-04-11 18:16
#22
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Portugal Fre1tasj
most boring map needs to be D2
2021-04-11 15:02
5 replies
imo d2 is nice in terms of action, battles for long, short, mid splits are nice
2021-04-11 15:02
4 replies
Dust2 same map for 20 years
2021-04-11 15:04
3 replies
i d take same map for 20 years that is good vs the map that undergoes a change each 6 month cuz valve fucked up from the start
2021-04-11 15:06
#58
Xyp9x | 
Iceland Fridd
I mean.. If it has stayed relatively unchanged for 20 years - don't you think that's a good indicator of how good the map actually is?
2021-04-11 15:21
1 reply
#91
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Denmark lilbitmaw
+1
2021-04-11 18:14
+1
2021-04-11 15:02
#30
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Netherlands BigBoyTies
Gold Nova spotted who never put effort into learning it
2021-04-11 15:02
5 replies
actually, im nova 3 get ur facts straight next time, sir
2021-04-11 15:03
4 replies
#40
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Portugal H3NR
Rank checks out... he said "Gold Nova" as in you're ranked between GN1 to GN4.
2021-04-11 15:05
2 replies
which shows that his fact wasnt indeed straight, ty
2021-04-11 15:06
1 reply
#46
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Portugal H3NR
U drunk? If you're Nova 3, you're a Gold Nova...
2021-04-11 15:08
expected. go play only mirage.
2021-04-11 15:24
Because is the worst map of the game? At least Dust 2 or Mirage show some raw skill and you could see nice shots, but Vertigo is always the same with utility. I remember one round some months ago where Astralis did a smoke setup on A to defuse the bomb without shooting a single bullet.
2021-04-11 15:04
1 reply
If you think that Vertigo is always the same then you are not watching closely.
2021-04-11 15:05
Dust2 is the most boring map.
2021-04-11 18:08
#3
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Other M@GNU5
Jesus just remove Mirage already
2021-04-11 15:00
2 replies
#6
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France Carrotaboy
+11111
2021-04-11 15:00
#51
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Czech Republic xANUx
yeah
2021-04-11 15:12
-mirage +tuscan -dust2 +cobble
2021-04-11 15:01
6 replies
#15
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Portugal H3NR
+1 only acceptable reply
2021-04-11 15:01
#23
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Poland BAXIOR
+1111111111111111111111
2021-04-11 15:02
#45
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Spain espanolito
+1
2021-04-11 15:07
+1
2021-04-11 18:09
#119
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Finland kalza1
+99999999999999999999999999999999999
2021-04-13 15:31
#140
OK | 
United States Bioax
+1 man with brain
2021-04-15 14:34
Gray bricks suck, re-paint them into red-orange-ish colour. Those were OK for de_cbble where you only had grey colour and nothing else, but on tuscan it's cancer-looking.
2021-04-11 15:01
4 replies
#29
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Portugal H3NR
It's WIP so whey they finish it, it will probably look way more like a map and less like a sketch.
2021-04-11 15:02
3 replies
The colour of those bricks is a problem, at least for me. It fucks up visibility, not in the sense that a player's model colour is hardly noticeable comparing to the walls, but because there are far too many colours of different brightness simultaneously in your screen. Look at all the other competitive maps (apart from vertigo because it's a joke). They don't have so many colours of different brightness, mirage is pale red/sand, dust2 is sand and dark-ish grey which are pretty close when it comes to brightness, inferno is mostly gray-ish, they're not so colourful overall. But you come to tuscan and you see yellow, orange, red-something and suddenly fucking light-grey, moreover - that light grey is divided into freaking "cells" (bricks), it would be OK for de_cobblestone because the whole map is like that, but tuscan is not grey and has never been, it's exactly yellow-orange. I bet no one would like tuscan as a competitive map, and those cancerous bricks are one of the reasons why. They suck.
2021-04-11 15:17
2 replies
#70
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Indonesia begalracer
Do you know the map is still under development? The final product would not be like that
2021-04-11 15:30
#76
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United States PP_Bizon
Take all the textures as unfinished, that's what it looked like to me. Think of ONLY the shape rather than textures
2021-04-11 17:59
Why do they need to remove maps? Just add a few more.
2021-04-11 15:01
3 replies
i m not sure but i think map pool in pro scene is limited
2021-04-11 15:02
2 replies
Its so idiotic, more maps mean more strats, more creative gameplays
2021-04-11 15:13
1 reply
#71
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Indonesia begalracer
LUL more maps: more permaban
2021-04-11 15:31
-Train + Tuscan. Train is boring map
2021-04-11 15:02
2 replies
0/8
2021-04-11 18:21
0/8
2021-04-13 15:42
it is necessary to replace 2 maps. who banned vertigo will ban tuskan, and what's the difference?
2021-04-11 15:02
#27
rain | 
Czech Republic Guczy
-mirage -overpass +tuscan +cache then -vertigo -dust +overpass remaked +mirage remaked
2021-04-11 15:02
Tuscan would be nice once the map is finished. Kinda hoping for some other map to be added before that though since it might take some time.
2021-04-11 15:03
#36
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Poland grapeeeee
they ll not remove vertigo in 2-3 next years. I would like to see - mirage - Inferno - Overpass + refreshed Overpass + tuscan + cobblestone
2021-04-11 15:03
#47
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Germany F0kussi3rt
Bc Vertigo is a interesting Map with new Strats every Game while Mrage is just the same all 30 Rounds
2021-04-11 15:10
#48
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Brazil guhzzz
+1 Vertigo so bad
2021-04-11 15:10
+1 -vertigo +tuscan -mirage for rework
2021-04-11 15:11
vertigo is good! wtf D:
2021-04-11 15:14
-mirage +cache
2021-04-11 15:14
1. Vertigo is Valves own map so they love it 2. They have worked on it soo much that it would be stupid to take it out now after all the work/time 3. It is the newest map in the pool 4. It keeps getting better with every update
2021-04-11 15:16
4 replies
+1
2021-04-11 15:26
#85
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Italy ROMAG
Better?? The map is a retake simulator
2021-04-11 18:05
2 replies
+1
2021-04-13 15:49
1 reply
Heyy turk :)
2021-04-15 14:30
#62
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Japan Inlivino
-mirage/dust2 +cache/tuscan
2021-04-11 15:25
JUST +Tuscan +Cobble +cache Why not just add a couple more maps?
2021-04-11 15:28
#69
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Iran SMFgg
I think with top teams starting to play vertigo way more often than they used to it seems like the map is here to stay. I think the best choice is dust2 or mirage or inferno. they're the most played maps and honestly dust2 specifically is just not good anymore for pro matches but definitely fun to play in pugs. so in my opinion if valve were to add tuscan and remove another map it would be : -dust2 +tuscan
2021-04-11 15:29
8 replies
#80
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United States PP_Bizon
inferno??
2021-04-11 18:01
7 replies
#112
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Iran SMFgg
don't get me wrong inferno is my favorite map to play myself but for pro scenes I think adding new maps and forcing teams to learn them and come up with new strats is pretty fun to watch. like seriously who would have thought teams would be able to win their nuke T side in 2021? the point I'm trying to make is that there's not gonna be much new stuff about inferno (or dust2 or...) that hasn't been discovered or tried before. Adding a new map is so much new content, more excitement and etc in the pro scene. and also I suggested dust2 I think dust2 is really not suitable for pro games anymore. also you opinion is respected and understandable I'm just putting out mine.
2021-04-13 09:27
6 replies
#116
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United States PP_Bizon
I get your logic with inferno, but I feel like before inferno is considered you have to take away d2 or mirage. Another big thing to consider is the impact it'd have on teams. Some teams don't really play d2 or mirage but I'm pretty sure every team puts a lot of work into their inferno more than the 2 maps I mentioned previously. I'd say maybe tweak inferno rather than remove it altogether if it's the map that really needs a change.
2021-04-13 15:25
5 replies
#151
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Iran SMFgg
I personally think dust2 really has to be removed it's just not good for pro matches. about inferno they could change it but I think changing it wouldn't be much different than replacing it with another map. so anyway the main point is that valve wouldn't remove vertigo and if they were to remove a map, dust2, mirage and inferno are the most likely candidates.
2021-04-19 14:00
4 replies
#152
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United States PP_Bizon
Honestly, I'd consider overpass removal over inferno. I'd imagine outrage from community if inferno was removed. Inferno is just too popular
2021-04-20 04:12
3 replies
#153
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Iran SMFgg
sure people definitely won't be happy with it's removal and it is the least likely out of the three maps I suggested and overpass is also a good candidate but considering that it's a fairly new map and it hasn't been played that much compared to other maps it's less likely. again if I were valve I wouldn't remove inferno I'd remove d2 or mirage first but it's up to valve and they're not really the most rational company I know
2021-04-20 20:22
2 replies
#154
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United States PP_Bizon
is overpass actually that new? When was it last updated, I could've sworn inferno was newer than overpass. Fair point on valve not being the most rational company though
2021-04-20 21:24
1 reply
#155
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Iran SMFgg
IDK overpass was first added to csgo and got a bunch of updates to become playable but inferno has had very little changes in terms of gameplay that it feels like its been the same forever.
2021-04-22 10:47
-vertigo -train +cache +tuscan
2021-04-11 15:32
1 reply
Train is a good map
2021-04-11 18:04
No -d2 +tuscan
2021-04-11 17:59
1 reply
#113
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Norway dr_fiji
Yes!
2021-04-13 09:32
#78
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Ukraine qaXs
remove mirage
2021-04-11 18:01
#79
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United States PP_Bizon
Why tf do people want to remove vertigo? It's not a bad map, I feel like people just want the same maps as 2017 or some shit for nostalgia. I'd rather see d2 or mirage out for tuscan.
2021-04-11 18:01
1 reply
8/8 for your opinion
2021-04-11 18:25
People's prefer removing Mirage
2021-04-11 18:03
Vertigo is a snoozefest shit to watch and to play Tuscan was a godlike map..
2021-04-11 18:03
#89
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Azerbaijan hacizeynal
why they just dont add all maps to competetive MM? For example cs_italy ,my point is they can keep them in pool without removing it? Would it harm it? Dont think so
2021-04-11 18:11
2 replies
#94
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Indonesia begalracer
Competitive wise: 6 definitive maps are needed so the team can perfect their strats. More map bringing harm in the long term, ex. auto permaban, no specialized map. But I agree if CS have fix schedule so people can expect when maps getting rotated.
2021-04-11 18:18
#95
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Finland Ninjamaa
we are talking about pro mappool not mm
2021-04-11 18:17
-mirage +tuscan
2021-04-11 18:13
-vertigo +literally anything
2021-04-11 18:16
-mirage
2021-04-11 18:18
#99
sausol | 
Switzerland x676
-d2 -vertigo -mirage +cbble +cache +tuscan
2021-04-11 18:20
1 reply
#108
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Finland JooonsMO
WTF cache doing there? Worst map ever -cache +season.
2021-04-11 18:57
godly de_season
2021-04-11 18:42
we need rotation maps
2021-04-11 18:52
#107
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Finland JooonsMO
just +tuscan so we have 8 map pool. Then later -mirage +somegoodmap
2021-04-11 18:56
-train needs to happen
2021-04-11 19:02
-anubis +tuscan I'm not a big fan of Mirage, but we need it to remain in the comp map pool. Mirage and Dust2 are Russian containment zones.
2021-04-13 10:12
-mirage +tuscan
2021-04-13 10:12
#118
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United Kingdom SudokuPro
-mirage -dust2 -vertigo +tuscan +cache +cbble
2021-04-13 15:28
-mirage +tuscan vertigo bestest map
2021-04-13 15:32
#121
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Bosnia and Herzegovina murke2k
-Vertigo +Cache/Cbble
2021-04-13 15:33
no -vertigo. -mirage +tuscan also maybe second move -dust2 +cache (or something) the map pool is bit too stale atm, vertigo is the only remotely fresh thing there
2021-04-13 15:34
At least Vertigo is new, remove another map
2021-04-13 15:35
A Brand New map pool would be awesome! Nuke, Tuscan, Cache, Cobble, Train, Vertigo and a totally new map, made from Scratch. I would Love It!
2021-04-13 15:38
-mirage/cache +any map Thank you!
2021-04-13 15:39
get that fucking vertigo out of this game
2021-04-13 15:54
yes please
2021-04-13 16:00
I don't know why but it would be cool
2021-04-13 16:03
#137
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Brazil ghcnvbkn
if im not mistaken tuscan still needing a remake, and even if they do that, i think those are the most possible options: 1- the map would not be good for the competitive play 2- the map would be ok, but it would change a lot to be compatible to CSGO competitive, resulting on people not liking it as much as before of course there is some more options, like: 1- bad map to competitive, good feedback from the community because it was an old and nostalgic map 2- good map for both sides its kinda of a very big risk to bring Tuscan tbh, the map is old af, would need a rework, and the community would probably be disappointed if the map didn't come to be very good after that
2021-04-13 16:04
2 replies
the map already exists in several versions that are good
2021-04-15 14:33
1 reply
#141
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Brazil ghcnvbkn
There is only two versions that i remember for csgo, the one used in the liquid vs 100 thieves game (btw it was a very weird game) and the one that still incomplete.
2021-04-15 16:51
It better be dust like tuscan. If it looks like vertogo i dont want ut
2021-04-15 16:58
There's no way Tuscan is getting in the pool in its current state. It looks like a map from 6 years ago. Look at the new recent maps that Valve added to the game and compare the visual quality of them. Also, you can't even spectate the bomb sites without seeing through the map. It needs a lot of work to make it to the pool. If Cache didn't make it back, this won't either.
2021-04-15 17:01
#145
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Asia TopBaiter
Mirage and Overpass will be replaced
2021-04-15 17:03
-mirage and every single russian loses 1000 elo
2021-04-15 17:09
This PLEASEEE
2021-04-15 17:23
how about de_season?
2021-04-22 10:49
#157
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Austria Grundz
Vertigo is a fun map. Tuscan has many issues to work out for competitive play. -Mirage tho zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
2021-04-22 10:57
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