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Astralis dynasty over?
ZywOo | 
France Jaune 
what are your guys' actual take on this u think the dynasty is finally over or are they just gonna pull a 2019 and win the major anyway also player break should be after the major not before
2021-04-12 01:43
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ZywOo | 
France Jaune
bump
2021-04-12 01:43
#2
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United States 3manu3l
been over for 2 years still support the team
2021-04-12 01:45
26 replies
how was it over for 2 years. You have to give some leeway to the definition of dynasty. They were always top 5, one of the favorites to win a tournament since 2017. Now they are not. Not top 5 in 2021 by any standards.
2021-04-12 05:46
25 replies
Dynasty is top5? Has it been NAVI dynasty for that long?
2021-04-12 06:24
24 replies
After 2019? Sure, its been S1mple dynasty no doubt
2021-04-12 06:51
13 replies
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Polin | 
Europe Daudy
winning 1 t1 tournament per year counts as dynasty nowdays?
2021-04-12 08:23
12 replies
LUL +1 s0mple no major no dynasty
2021-04-12 08:34
5 replies
#67
Polin | 
Europe Daudy
Its not even about majors but he has literally won 1 t1 event per year so far 3 years straight.
2021-04-12 08:35
4 replies
thats not impressive enough to be considered a dynasty... if anything its been the (very general) fnatic --> sk --> astralis dynasty
2021-04-12 18:21
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#83
Polin | 
Europe Daudy
Sk > astralis? 8/8
2021-04-12 19:07
2 replies
braindead? i made an arrow not just a fucking ">" or "<". because it was fnatic, then sk, then astralis. learn how to read
2021-04-12 19:21
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#85
Polin | 
Europe Daudy
First of all thats why "?" is there you retard. Second it was NIP-Fnatic-SK >Faze but both included- astralis. Third i didnt argue for navi so maybe you should learn to read. "braindead"
2021-04-12 19:23
Tell that to Salty boi but by my definition Astralis has been top 5 and tournament favorites for 4 years no breaks, while the same can be said for Navi for only 1 year or atmost 2.
2021-04-12 12:47
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#76
Polin | 
Europe Daudy
Dude navi literally won 1 event in 2019 and 1 in 2020 they were never fauvorites to win tournament. They are top team that doesnt make them fauvorite.
2021-04-12 14:33
4 replies
wtf Navi were not favorites to win tourneys in 2020????? Dude wtf, get your delusional ass off this site before Navi fanbois come at you....
2021-04-13 03:06
3 replies
Navi were fauvorites after katowice. Then they had poor showing in EPL then shit the bed in CIS rmr and when they came back to EU people were putting astralis and vita abowe them in chances of winning.
2021-04-13 09:49
2 replies
Doesnt mean they werent favorites or top 5 right? Astralis, Vitality and maybe Heroic could be considered better than them at certain stages, but they could always beat them, because s1mple was s1mple
2021-04-13 10:31
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Top 5 =/= fauvorite. I wouldnt call VP fauvorite just because they have decent chance of winning. Fauvorite is the team that has highest chance to win the tournament... And navi have shown in EPL after kato 2020 that they arent that.
2021-04-13 10:45
they were still top1 in both 2019 and 2020 overall so...
2021-04-12 07:37
9 replies
Dominant? Also 2020 was undeserved hltv really biased in the Kato points.
2021-04-12 08:20
8 replies
i never said dominant. i said the best team of the year...and 2020 was fully deserved lol. no idea what the hell are you even talking about
2021-04-12 08:23
5 replies
Yeah sure they counted t2 events / free wins like dh fall
2021-04-12 14:08
4 replies
they didnt even win dh fall are you drunk...? they won rtr, esl pro league, dh masters and iem global challenge. all those events had good competition
2021-04-12 14:49
3 replies
Dh masters good competition aka playing mouz in finals and even losing to GODSENT. liquid wasn't good that tourney either.
2021-04-12 22:58
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Denmark KingDevice
Name checks out
2021-04-13 08:34
1 reply
You too bro
2021-04-13 17:59
#71
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United Kingdom novaseer
Didn't Astralis go out in semis in Kato?
2021-04-12 13:13
#72
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Algeria LOBYA6AJIN
So you are pretty much admitting that navi could have gotten top 1 just because of kato singlehandedly.
2021-04-12 13:18
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Portugal jsousa941
too soon to tell tbh, but hasnt been a era since online games started
2021-04-12 01:47
2 replies
IEM KATOWICE 2020
2021-04-12 07:21
1 reply
> online > kato 2020
2021-04-12 07:23
#4
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Denmark JKTP
Yeah it probably is, the contracts will expire in 2021 and i can see 2-3 players retiring.
2021-04-12 01:48
22 replies
#5
ZywOo | 
France Jaune
players being?
2021-04-12 01:48
12 replies
#10
device | 
Denmark JKTP
Id asume Xyp and Gla1ve are pretty much guaranteed Dupreeh is very old at 28 but i think it's hard to say if he still has the spirit. Magisk is guaranteed not to retire and Dev1ce still has life in him.
2021-04-12 01:51
11 replies
Nah Xyp9x and gla1ve are like 25 y/o, I could see Xyp9x stepping down to tier 2 tho, gla1ve is still a good IGL. dupreeh is 28 yeah but he is still playing well, could see him staying in Astralis easily for 2 more years.
2021-04-12 01:54
8 replies
#17
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Denmark JKTP
Even if they are 25, did you watch the last games they played? None of them look motivated at all. Besides 25 is not that young at all considering when your reaction time slows down.
2021-04-12 01:56
6 replies
I would still give them time because Astralis are known to have these slumps where they look like they are not top 1 and then all of a sudden they come back in full force. Then again they have a lot of events to grind in the next months so it'll be shown if either of them can keep up on tier 1, I do insist gla1ve is not a problem on Astralis.
2021-04-12 02:03
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#23
device | 
Denmark JKTP
I have been watching the core of Dupreeh, Dev1ce and Xyp since 2014 some of them before that. In all that time i have never seen such a piss poor performance against a team, then Furia. The numbers look like it tells another story but Furia played that match like ass. "Let's go a on vertigo 14 times" and it somehow works. They got outaimed in nearly every duel they took even if what they did was tactically correct. They got deleted by gambit, even though they played it tactically better it doesn't matter when Ax1le will had peek and kill 3. The Spirit game 16-1 was just embarrasing. Ill stick with my boys but im not so delusional ill keep holding on to the roster as possible top 1 material. I don't think Astralis the org is gonna die, but i definitely think bubzkji and the Astralis academy will begin to be used. Take in some unexperienced players and switch them out for the old underperfoming players. They clearly trained Magisk to take Gla1ve's role when he inevitably retires.
2021-04-12 02:06
2 replies
Agree 100%, I hope they start changing some pieces if things continue to go like this. They should tryout Bubzkji for one entire tournament (like they did with es3tag) to see if he could potentially replace Xyp9x or gla1ve in a long term.
2021-04-12 02:14
1 reply
Hopefully the academy bois end up like gambit youngsters (beating the crap out of other teams after promotion)
2021-04-12 06:47
#26
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Portugal jsousa941
i also think glaive aint the prob , its just xyp, magisk and glaive arent in form imo, tbh glaive doesnt need to be in form igl are known for not being very indiv skilled , i would say bench either bubs or magisk and try out bubs more often , im keen to bench more magisk cuz bubs aint really a sup player other then that i would bench xyp but i think benching would make him good to get his form and hunger i think when magisk was igl his form took a tool and he needs to get it back, i would try to get esetag but he his on contract so ye
2021-04-12 03:07
#44
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Brazil Catatauu
Reaction time from 20yo to 30yo change just a little, also it plays a little role on cs.
2021-04-12 06:19
Problem is Gla1ve has a life outside Astralis
2021-04-12 14:36
Dupreeh is 28?! I thought he was around 24
2021-04-12 05:39
1 reply
Oldest player alongside Forest and Neo to make the top 20 if he does it this year I just hope Astralis do enough to get him up there this one time
2021-04-12 07:25
you're going too far with the retiring, everyone on Astralis is still not that old especially magisk besides dupreeh obviously>
2021-04-12 01:50
8 replies
#11
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Denmark JKTP
"Burnout and Stress are a major problem on the Astralis Roster" There is also the fact gla1ve just became a father. Health issues for multiple players etc. What does the astralis players have to gain? They have won every trophy there is to earn.
2021-04-12 01:53
7 replies
Burnout's fix was taking a break, as far as i can tell from Astralis players's faces during the match dupreeh and dev1ce anre the only ones that are still motivated to play though.
2021-04-12 01:53
6 replies
#15
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Denmark JKTP
None of them are putting in enough hours to be truly competetive and burnout is still a major problem Multiple players have been underperforming. It's over
2021-04-12 01:54
5 replies
Yep. Age isnt the problem imo. Just like some dota players, even tho they're still young, but when u already win the biggest even like The International, you just retire. Theres no one will achieve like astralis players achieve on their career.
2021-04-12 03:27
2 replies
#104
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Japan Peine
"nothing to achieve so they retire" it's literally their work, and a well paid one Who in the world as a pro with a stable life who be like "I'mma stop and go work to Mcdonald's because I won x"
2021-04-13 09:26
1 reply
Only ppl like u who think if they retire they will go work on mcdonald lmao. They smart enough to win something at their young age do u really think they will just get poor because they stop playing? Jeez kiddo. Even some players already investing or making business while they're still on the scene. Retire means they changing their focus on other things. Not decided to being poor. Lmao dumb shit weeb.
2021-04-13 10:56
#45
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Brazil Catatauu
Its just online era, calm down, when lans come back they will be on the grind again. They are lan players.
2021-04-12 06:21
1 reply
IEM KATOWICE 2020, CHECK.
2021-04-12 07:27
"the youngsters will tell ya"
2021-04-12 01:50
its been over for 2 years
2021-04-12 01:49
This is their worst form since 2017 (or early 2018 with the Boston Major), arguably they had that bad ECS tournament where they lost to FURIA in 2019 but they weren't playing events that much. Here they are going to events consistenly and they are getting worst placements every time. Maybe they can come back on full force on the Major but idk it is on October after all
2021-04-12 01:51
2 replies
Which team has better results than astralis rn? Only Gambit, now maybe heroic The rest like navi, vitality, nip, vp, liquid are lower than astralis rn. Astralis is still top5 team rn you people already see them in tier2 lol
2021-04-12 07:41
1 reply
I' never said they are tier 2 but so far this year they haven't won an event, unlike Na'Vi or VP who did win at least one. Astralis went 2nd on BLAST (lost to Na'Vi). Got eliminated on Blast Premier on a group they should had at least gone 2-1. 5-6th on Katowice (lost to VP). 5-6th on this last event (lost to Gambit and FURIA). For Astralis standards the results are pretty lame. But like I said somewhere on this topic Astralis are known for having these slumps and then coming back full force.
2021-04-12 17:42
we will see what happens when we go back on lan but they havent been doing well since the online era started as far as i remember
2021-04-12 01:54
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#27
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Portugal jsousa941
ye thats a fact i would say stick with the roster till lan to say, but i think since we are in a online era they should make some experiments like try out bubs more often
2021-04-12 03:09
''havent been doing well''? Astralis #1 of 2020 according to HLTV, won some of the biggest tournaments. Yes, they havent been doing well cuz online.....
2021-04-12 06:50
#16
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Portugal cyn1cal
Well, they have been exceptional team, they were so consistent but everything has a end. I still love them as a team, and I hope they still win some tournaments.
2021-04-12 01:55
IF Astralis was going to make roster changes which I predict will happen in a few months when their contracts are up for renewal. -Xyp9x: I feel he is the most likely candidate because he is not typically seen on the top of his scoreboard, but I don't think he is holding Astralis back because of his clutches and willingness to play spots nobody wants to play. -Gla1ve: Another likely candidate because he is now becoming a father, and is also typically seen at the bottom of the scoreboard. Gla1ve would be less likely than Xyp9x because he is a really good IGL possibly the greatest of all time. -Dupreeh/Magisk: This one is very unlikely, but if Astralis keeps with the same roster for a few years they could kick Dupreeh because he is getting older. But with the form right now will not get him kicked. -Devve: No chance. +Es3tag: Already played on Astralis in which they got to rank 1 and one the pro league. +Konfig or BlameF: Deffinently will not happen because Complexity would not sell their Danish star players. This is a big IF and I don't think they need a serious change yet. Edit 1: I FORGOT ABOUT BUBZKJI XD If Gla1ve and Xyp9x leave, I could deffintly see Es3tag and Bubzkji
2021-04-12 02:03
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#19
ZywOo | 
France Jaune
or they could actually play Bubzkji
2021-04-12 02:00
the total disrespect would be if they ever get k0nfig or blameF and dont make bubzkji play LOL
2021-04-12 02:02
#28
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Portugal jsousa941
tbh i dont think ast would want konfig he likes to play mostly for himself he even try out before magisk join and if i remember that was the excuse, for blameF i think that would have a role conflict with glaive igl unless he wants to play another role
2021-04-12 03:12
#22
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Peru TheJuan
it ended when mouz made glave smash his desk
2021-04-12 02:02
3 replies
did anyone remember how many times did he smash it in that moment though ?
2021-04-12 02:14
2 replies
5. Had to slow down the vid, cuz I thought it was 100 times
2021-04-12 05:44
1 reply
hahaha
2021-04-13 08:50
I guess after the success they’ve had its really hard to stay motivated especially during this online era. Pretty much alm of them are just shadows of their former selves. The tactics still are there but the individual performances have been poor except for like one de_train by device. Thats why I love players such as simple, still havent won a major and wants it so vad that he grinds cs like 10 hours a day just be as good as he can.
2021-04-12 03:16
One more beating in Blast this week and they're all done. lmao for sure, top 3 in Blast won't be enough for them.
2021-04-12 05:37
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#33
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Portugal jsousa941
top 3 on blast would be pretty good
2021-04-12 05:39
#34
BB | 
United States breasts
imo these guys dominated everyone, won everything, and got bored because what else is there left to do how do you even stay motivated they should just move to valorant
2021-04-12 05:44
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#38
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Portugal jsousa941
why would they even move to valorant wth, just because washed up NA is moving to valorant doesnt mean they ill move to valorant or any Eu team tbh...
2021-04-12 06:01
7 replies
#40
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United States breasts
for a new challenge
2021-04-12 06:02
6 replies
#41
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Portugal jsousa941
there isnt much of a challenge on valorant , especially when the skill celling is way easier, bruh those sprays are so ez compared to csgo
2021-04-12 06:07
5 replies
#42
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United States breasts
like i said, during astralis era it was pretty easy for them...
2021-04-12 06:10
4 replies
#43
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Portugal jsousa941
lets just say if they wanted to somewhat want to change to valorant pretty sure they dont want i think they would wait till lans come back to see they can compete if they cant sure , but on this online era no one is at the top , sure atm theres this cis team that maybe at the top except navi cuz ye they are navi but after a few month/weeks everything can change other teams can be better , this era is inconsistent on finding out who are the best teams
2021-04-12 06:16
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#46
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United States breasts
listen bro my point is when everything comes easy to you why bother trying anymore
2021-04-12 06:23
2 replies
#48
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Portugal jsousa941
thats not professionalism, its like saying it in any sport if you win a league every year why trying ... thats a stupid logic but ok
2021-04-12 06:31
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#49
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United States breasts
tell me why they should try then
2021-04-12 06:42
There are lots of factors. 1. Ageing of their core. 2. Won everything 3. Thus, no motivation. 4. Tensions with their org ( thing where they didn't let xyp and gla1ve take a break before online). 5. New teams, which aren't countered yet
2021-04-12 05:48
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#39
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Portugal jsousa941
i think theres friction with their Ceo , and after his tweet im pretty sure theres friction there
2021-04-12 06:01
#53
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Korea jin67300
Astralis will back major
2021-04-12 06:53
lul next LAN major: 2-0; 2-0; 2-0.
2021-04-12 07:03
It's not an age issue it's a motivational and confidence issue just like any sport. Astralis proved the world for years that you don't need to be the most skillful team to dominate everything, their line up barely scrapes top 5 during their dominance. I do doubt they can get back to where they were a year ago. Amazing effort to be the best for so long, I've been watching CS since 2005 and I've never seen a more dominate team for a such a long period of time and the best part of their era was that didn't dominate in skill they dominated in teamwork which is what CS is about. I think teams like them are needed in the game because they're the benchmark, sadly no one dethroned astralis in the in but themselves.
2021-04-12 07:34
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#70
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Germany Booya
they trained and played into Burn Out, 10h a day, Astralis even blocked their vacation ... terrible Org, Passionate Players. Im not a Astralis Fan, more the opposite but i respect their achievments and skill
2021-04-12 12:53
It’s more like the dignitas/tsm days are coming back when they can consistently make playoffs but keep choking and getting destroyed in those matches. Well, they still at least make it to final in blast premier global final earlier this year and the playoffs(quarters) in both Katowice and pro league season 13. So, there’s still hope for them, unlike some other top teams. When they fell, they fell really hard by consistently getting group stage exits and resulted in roster changes.
2021-04-12 08:36
#69
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Germany Booya
i hope ... its boring as fuck ...
2021-04-12 12:49
1 reply
still that old prahse hu?
2021-04-13 09:00
It been over for a long time now..
2021-04-12 14:11
#75
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Germany ChRiZOwow
What is Astralis? Sounds like a tier 3 team.
2021-04-12 14:13
Depends if they start putting in 12 hours a day like they did in 2018-2019 People seem to forget that after some time, you'll have to remember there is a life outside work, it's not all just fun and games.
2021-04-12 14:35
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+1 they are mostly battling themselves at this point. gla1ve started playing css in 2009 or so, he's been a pro gamer for 10+ years. now he has a kid on the way, achieved everything and I can imagine he wants to do something else than gaming. their dynasty is not over cause they were a team of the year for 3rd time in row and won all of last 3 majors but I can imagine they are too bored/tired to keep it up, especially in online era
2021-04-12 19:35
it's been over for a while now. but it's far from a lost cause. they can fix it no problem and win next major. the dynasty, tho? gone.
2021-04-12 17:48
#86
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Ireland Sodaking
i mean my take on it is like what 2019 Berlin showed us is that dominating going into the Major is not always the best thing you look how Dominate Liquid were in the Summer rolling into the Major then Astralis came along and swept the championship rounds AGAIN 6-0
2021-04-12 19:27
Hard to say even if their dynasty is over idt they’ll just fall off. They just won’t be OP. I’d imagine the roster change when it occurs will determine if it’s truly over.
2021-04-12 19:30
Yes its over, they lack the skill to be on the top nowadays, just like fnatic. I mean look at teams like heroic, gambit and spirit, no chance for these other teams.
2021-04-12 19:32
1 reply
Problem isn't skill, it's dedication
2021-04-12 19:43
It’s considered over when they decided to introduced 6-man rosters last year which destroyed their teamplay and synergy among the main five. They could have instead done what they did in 2019 by skipping some big events for smaller events to reduce burnout. Well, it was pretty controversial at that time considering the fact that they had just won Katowice major. It’s better to take breaks together as a team rather than 1/2 players separately from the team unless it is short-term medical illness. If a player is out of the team for too long, it hurts the player’s individual performance badly. The best example would be xyp in that case. He was 1.12 rating before he took the break. Upon returning, his rating dropped to around 1.02 towards the end of last year and that worsened as 2021 rolled in as his rating dropped further to 0.96 so far this year.
2021-04-13 06:53
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#94
ZywOo | 
France Jaune
lmao to be fair that 6 man roster never really destroyed that team's synergy it mustve been something else. Bubzkji only plays nuke and they basically permaban nuke now. my guy hasnt played since January 2021 and hasnt played a full set since 2020
2021-04-13 08:21
Let's see on LAN.. online, a lot of teams actually look good
2021-04-13 08:25
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#99
ZywOo | 
France Jaune
true, they prolly gonna win the major again anyway. i thought Vitality couldve challenged them but they fell off hard and already gave up on Nivera + we dont know how this roster is gonna be on LAN or with apEX as igl on LAN. and Navi back at it with their post katowice spring form
2021-04-13 08:42
if they lose to OG today then yes
2021-04-13 08:29
With the current roster - probably yes. Lets be honest, xyp9x is not as good as he was before he took this pause from cs. And magisk dropped off hard after being an igl. So imo they should remove xyp9x, move magisk to xyp' role and bring in boobski finally. Or just try to buy es3tag and if magisk wont perform replace him with boobski or with some guy from Astr.Talent. I mean look at navi and vitality, they already made a changes, brought some young fresh blood into the squad. Not like they are gonna be #1-#2 teams which always gonna fight each other in the grand finals but at least they gonna play as top5 team which wont lose to some1 like furia or something.
2021-04-13 08:58
well, it's looking like so, but it's not impossible they bounce back
2021-04-13 09:16
if they dont win the major, the dynasty is completely over
2021-04-13 09:52
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#110
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Hong Kong DG84
Astralis currently aren't able to be even in final
2021-04-13 09:58
I don't think they will come back, even though they may perform good plays occasionally in some tournaments. Glaive, x9 and magisk are undergoing a very obvious decline in their aim and timing, which is a trend that they will get worse even they try not to behave like that. Also, the team's credit is also damaged by how they treat Bubzkji, which means no good player will be willing to join them. They will disband soon or be a tier 2 team soon.
2021-04-13 09:56
#108
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Brazil BitRocket
tbh i think it has been over since 2020
2021-04-13 09:58
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#111
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Lithuania Ufasas
i think it didn't even start, cause i stopped watch csgo in 2016-2019, not seen Astralis, means they didn't win, who cares, lol
2021-04-13 09:59
#109
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Lithuania Ufasas
yeah, astralis over, Dig starting
2021-04-13 09:58
cya when astralis when 5th major and 4th consequtive major in a row
2021-04-13 10:57
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2021-04-13 18:20
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